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Re: Raymarine A3G AST -Drive Stopped

Duane Siegfri
 

Hi Bill,

I guess I wasn't clear, I meant the Autopilot would not turn the wheel while on "Auto".  The clutch engages but the Autopilot won't turn the wheel in response to "+10".

I've been in contact with Dan G.  He suggested I disconnect the power and motor wires from the S3G and hook them up directly to be sure the motors on the drives were still operational.  I used the breaker to turn them on and off, and both motors work.  Running the motor this way the clutch does not engage (because the S3G has no power), but you know the motors work.

He doesn't have a spare S3G, but does have an X30.  It sounds like the X30 would be "plug and play" so if the S3G doesn't work I have a good way to go.

Thanks for your help,
Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease/Amel 55/54 designers

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi all.
While we are talking about design. All the Amels I have seen, even the smaller earlier models, right through to and including the 54, have a distinct and  unmistakeable family likeness. (Love it) When you see one from afar, they are unmistakeably and instantly recognisable. (In my opinion). However (again in my opinion) the 55 looks more like a Hunter. I have no doubt the Amel quality and innovation remains, they just no longer have that family likeness.
Cheers
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl

Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On 30 Apr 2017 05:06, "'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I need to apologize to everyone. It appears that my computer is acting up and greatly enlarging some of the text in my messages to you. This IS NOT intentional and is not meant to reinforce or add drama to anything I present here. I am travelling all next week but will get my IT guy to fix it soon after I get back to Florida.. I am not Shouting at anyone!

 

All The best, Joel

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 12:39 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease/Amel 55/54 designers

 

 

Hello Hanspeter. I think you are confusing the Amel 55 with the Amel 54. The Amel 55 hull and deck and rigging was designed by Berret and Racoupeau, a naval architecture  firm located in La Rochelle France. All of the systems engineering and ‘Amel ‘details on the Amel 55 were still the province of the Amel design team within the Amel shipyard in La Rochelle.   The Amel 54 was designed by the Amel Design Group.. Yes Captain Amel was gone when this boat was first launched but the drawings and engineering of the Amel 54 were done largely by Jacque Carteau who was, in fact, the one who did the drawings and engineering on almost all of the Amel boats from the late 1960’s onward. He was Captain Amel’s ‘eyes’ and interpreted Captain Amel’s ideas into the boats we all love. How do I know this? I watched him do the 54 and no external resources were involved in the 54. I have seen the blueprints for other Amel designs with Carteau’s initials and name in the data box on the drawings.

 

Just to keep things clear and correct.

 

All The Best, JoelJoel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 10:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease

 

 

Hi Porter

I think you have the Balmar Furling System ? Correct? If so, with you plans , change this system to a Reckman System; ok very costy ,but for the next 20 Years no problems.

Nice and interesting Website, congratulation. One thing only; Henri Amel did not design the Amel 54. The Company Amel with extern architects did it.

Best regards

Hanspeter



Von meinem iPad gesendet


Am 29.04.2017 um 12:36 schrieb Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@yahoocom [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Gents,
A question if you would.

Sailing Martinique to Fort Lauderdale these two weeks. Stopped in Guadeloupe as the trinquet motor pooped out. Took it out and amel Martinique is sending a new one plus belt.

Question one: what kind of grease was that packed in there? I took it out and need to repack.

Q2: the motor had corroded and I found 10 or so cc of h20 on the motor and surrounds. I could not find a seal to replace or one that had failed. How can I mitigate this water situation in the future? Is that the purpose of the grease? In addition to greasing the gears?

Q3: anyone have any tips on re-assembly?

Very appreciated.

Porter

S/V IBIS. 54-152. Punta Cana.

Please excuse the errors.
Sent from my IPhone
Www.fouribis.com


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Frigoboat Fridge Door Seal for Super Maramu 2000

greatketch@...
 

When we re-did our under-seat fridge gaskets, we used a product from MD Building, #1025, D-profile, 5/16 x 23/64.  We got it from Amazon.

It is important to note that with gaskets like this, there is a maximum specified compression that needs to be adhered to for best sealing and longest life.  If the gasket is over-compressed it might seem to seal better at first, but it quickly takes on a permanent "set" and is then no longer flexible enough to make a good seal.  For most hollow rubber gaskets, such as this this, maximum compression is 25% of the uncompressed thickness.  
I have installed shims that take the weight of the lid so the gaskets do not get squeezed too much.

Bill Kinney
SM#160, Harmonie
Charlotte Amalie, StT, USVI


---In amelyachtowners@..., <karkauai@...> wrote :

Thanks Mark,
I'll be doing that project this Summer.  I'll let you know what I find.
Kent
SM243
Kristy

On Apr 28, 2017, at 6:31 PM, 'Mark Erdos' Kent, I haven’t replace them on this boat. On the fridge/freezer under the seats, I move the lower half of the lock down a little bit to make a better seal. This worked well.
Here is a link for a company have used in the past. www.Barefrigeration.com  and go to Custom Gaskets.  Find the profile you want and follow the measuring instructions and then order.  They have a quality product at a very reasonable price. 
Please let me know if you wind up doing the fridge (under the counter). I am thinking about doing ours. It is not a tight as it should be. I would like to know how the seal comes off and is installed. I haven’t looked at it very closely yet.
With best regards,

Mark

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 3:36 PM
To: amelyachto
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Frigoboat Fridge Door Seal for Super Maramu 2000

 

 

I need to replace the seals on my two fridge/freezer boxes under the dinette seats. Has anyone found a suitable replacement for these?

Thanks,

Kent

SM243, Kristy

Kent Robertson



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Frigoboat Fridge Door Seal for Super Maramu 2000

karkauai
 

Thanks Mark,
I'll be doing that project this Summer.  I'll let you know what I find.
Kent
SM243
Kristy

On Apr 28, 2017, at 6:31 PM, 'Mark Erdos' Kent, I haven’t replace them on this boat. On the fridge/freezer under the seats, I move the lower half of the lock down a little bit to make a better seal. This worked well.
Here is a link for a company have used in the past. www.Barefrigeration.com  and go to Custom Gaskets.  Find the profile you want and follow the measuring instructions and then order.  They have a quality product at a very reasonable price. 
Please let me know if you wind up doing the fridge (under the counter). I am thinking about doing ours. It is not a tight as it should be. I would like to know how the seal comes off and is installed. I haven’t looked at it very closely yet.
With best regards,

Mark

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 3:36 PM
To: amelyachto
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Frigoboat Fridge Door Seal for Super Maramu 2000

 

 

I need to replace the seals on my two fridge/freezer boxes under the dinette seats. Has anyone found a suitable replacement for these?

Thanks,

Kent

SM243, Kristy

Kent Robertson



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Plastic stay protectors. [3 Attachments]

Eric Freedman
 

Thanks

The shroud covers were what I was looking for especially the 12mm ones.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 7:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Plastic stay protectors. [3 Attachments]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

Hi Eric,

 

They're not all in one place....

 

The shroud or guard rail covers are on P230

Turnbuckle covers on P229

Spreader boots P211

 

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437

 


Re: Plastic stay protectors.

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Eric,

They're not all in one place....

The shroud or guard rail covers are on P230
Turnbuckle covers on P229
Spreader boots P211

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease/Amel 55/54 designers

hanspeter baettig
 

Joel
Thanks for your reply.
And yes I now  Beretts  design office and yes I met Mr. Carteau back in 1998.
The 54 Amel was designed by the Amel Team. Not by Henry Amel. Only my 2 cents word. I think my arguments are faire.
Best regards Hanspeter

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 29.04.2017 um 20:55 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi Joel,
Thanks for the info on the designs. I'm sure you never shout at any one.
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 30 April 2017 at 05:06 "'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I need to apologize to everyone. It appears that my computer is acting up and greatly enlarging some of the text in my messages to you. This IS NOT intentional and is not meant to reinforce or add drama to anything I present here. I am travelling all next week but will get my IT guy to fix it soon after I get back to Florida.. I am not Shouting at anyone!

 

All The best, Joel

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 12:39 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease/Amel 55/54 designers

 

 

Hello Hanspeter. I think you are confusing the Amel 55 with the Amel 54. The Amel 55 hull and deck and rigging was designed by Berret and Racoupeau, a naval architecture  firm located in La Rochelle France. All of the systems engineering and ‘Amel ‘details on the Amel 55 were still the province of the Amel design team within the Amel shipyard in La Rochelle.   The Amel 54 was desig ned by the Amel Design Group.. Yes Captain Amel was gone when this boat was first launched but the drawings and engineering of the Amel 54 were done largely by Jacque Carteau who was, in fact, the one who did the drawings and engineering on almost all of the Amel boats from the late 1960’s onward. He was Captain Amel’s ‘eyes’ and interpreted Captain Amel’s ideas into the boats we all love. How do I know this? I watched him do the 54 and no external resources were involved in the 54. I have seen the blueprints for other Amel designs with Carteau’s initials and name in the data box on the drawings.

 

Just to keep things clear and correct.

 

All The Best, JoelJoel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 10:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease

 

 

Hi Porter

I think you have the Balmar Furling System ? Correct? If so, with you plans , change this system to a Reckman System; ok very costy ,but for the next 20 Years no problems.

Nice and interesting Website, congratulation. One thing only; Henri Amel did not design the Amel 54. The Company Amel with extern architects did it.

Best regards

Hanspeter



Von meinem iPad gesendet


Am 29.04.2017 um 12:36 schrieb Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@yahoocom [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Gents,
A question if you would.

Sailing Martinique to Fort Lauderdale these two weeks. Stopped in Guadeloupe as the trinquet motor pooped out. Took it out and amel Martinique is sending a new one plus belt.

Question one: what kind of grease was that packed in there? I took it out and need to repack.

Q2: the motor had corroded and I found 10 or so cc of h20 on the motor and surrounds. I could not find a seal to replace or one that had failed. How can I mitigate this water situation in the future? Is that the purpose of the grease? In addition to greasing the gears?

Q3: anyone have any tips on re-assembly?

Very appreciated.

Porter

S/V IBIS. 54-152. Punta Cana.

Please excuse the errors.
Sent from my IPhone
Www.fouribis.com


 

 


Plastic stay protectors.

Eric Freedman
 

HI Alan,

I tried to find the plastic covers for the rigging wire in the Plastimo catalog.

I need the large plastics for the cap stays.

Would you please direct me to the page of the plastic protectors?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 2:49 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] rust on inox cable

 

 

I think this is a common problem...

i have taken off all the white plastic on the rigging except where sheets rub against the shrouds, and then I have replaced the original stuff with a size larger, so it turns as the sheet  moves past it...Plastimo have a lot of different sizes available.

As for the corrosion at the swage ends, i have two products..one is INOX which the previous owner swore by and left on board, and the other is a NZ product called GRUNT.

They both work in a similar fashion. Paint it on, leave for about 15 minutes and then hose off with fresh water.

Result : rusty marks all gone

Grunt works well on gel coat too...for rusty marks..e.g. on deck at the bow where the anchor chain comes up.

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease/Amel 55/54 designers

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Joel,
Thanks for the info on the designs. I'm sure you never shout at any one.
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 30 April 2017 at 05:06 "'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I need to apologize to everyone. It appears that my computer is acting up and greatly enlarging some of the text in my messages to you. This IS NOT intentional and is not meant to reinforce or add drama to anything I present here. I am travelling all next week but will get my IT guy to fix it soon after I get back to Florida.. I am not Shouting at anyone!

 

All The best, Joel

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 12:39 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease/Amel 55/54 designers

 

 

Hello Hanspeter. I think you are confusing the Amel 55 with the Amel 54. The Amel 55 hull and deck and rigging was designed by Berret and Racoupeau, a naval architecture  firm located in La Rochelle France. All of the systems engineering and ‘Amel ‘details on the Amel 55 were still the province of the Amel design team within the Amel shipyard in La Rochelle.   The Amel 54 was designed by the Amel Design Group.. Yes Captain Amel was gone when this boat was first launched but the drawings and engineering of the Amel 54 were done largely by Jacque Carteau who was, in fact, the one who did the drawings and engineering on almost all of the Amel boats from the late 1960’s onward. He was Captain Amel’s ‘eyes’ and interpreted Captain Amel’s ideas into the boats we all love. How do I know this? I watched him do the 54 and no external resources were involved in the 54. I have seen the blueprints for other Amel designs with Carteau’s initials and name in the data box on the drawings.

 

Just to keep things clear and correct.

 

All The Best, JoelJoel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 10:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease

 

 

Hi Porter

I think you have the Balmar Furling System ? Correct? If so, with you plans , change this system to a Reckman System; ok very costy ,but for the next 20 Years no problems.

Nice and interesting Website, congratulation. One thing only; Henri Amel did not design the Amel 54. The Company Amel with extern architects did it.

Best regards

Hanspeter



Von meinem iPad gesendet


Am 29.04.2017 um 12:36 schrieb Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@yahoocom [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Gents,
A question if you would.

Sailing Martinique to Fort Lauderdale these two weeks. Stopped in Guadeloupe as the trinquet motor pooped out. Took it out and amel Martinique is sending a new one plus belt.

Question one: what kind of grease was that packed in there? I took it out and need to repack.

Q2: the motor had corroded and I found 10 or so cc of h20 on the motor and surrounds. I could not find a seal to replace or one that had failed. How can I mitigate this water situation in the future? Is that the purpose of the grease? In addition to greasing the gears?

Q3: anyone have any tips on re-assembly?

Very appreciated.

Porter

S/V IBIS. 54-152. Punta Cana.

Please excuse the errors.
Sent from my IPhone
Www.fouribis.com


 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Raymarine A3G AST -Drive Stopped

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Duane,

What "wheel" did you operate with the autopilot set to AUTO?

Bill

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 10:52 AM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,


I checked the "Motor" terminals in the S3G enclosure and there was no corrosion.

I also checked the rudder reference and it appears in good condition.  I operated the wheel with the Controller on "Auto" and the rudder reference on the Controller appeared to be in sync with the wheel position so wouldn't that lead you to believe it is functioning normally?

If the "Motor" terminals are not energized, then there is no way for the controller to operated the linear and rotary drives, which lines up with the manual explanation of "Drive Stopped" as "The autopilot is unable to turn the rudder...".  It won't be able to turn the rudder without the motors.

I can't think of anything else that would cause the "Motor" terminals to be de-energized when the Controller is ON, in AUTO, and with a command +10.

Unless you, or someone else has an idea, I'll dismount the S3G and send it to your reference in CO.

Thanks,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease/Amel 55/54 designers

amelforme
 

I need to apologize to everyone. It appears that my computer is acting up and greatly enlarging some of the text in my messages to you. This IS NOT intentional and is not meant to reinforce or add drama to anything I present here. I am travelling all next week but will get my IT guy to fix it soon after I get back to Florida.. I am not Shouting at anyone!

 

All The best, Joel

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 12:39 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease/Amel 55/54 designers

 

 

Hello Hanspeter. I think you are confusing the Amel 55 with the Amel 54. The Amel 55 hull and deck and rigging was designed by Berret and Racoupeau, a naval architecture  firm located in La Rochelle France. All of the systems engineering and ‘Amel ‘details on the Amel 55 were still the province of the Amel design team within the Amel shipyard in La Rochelle.   The Amel 54 was designed by the Amel Design Group.. Yes Captain Amel was gone when this boat was first launched but the drawings and engineering of the Amel 54 were done largely by Jacque Carteau who was, in fact, the one who did the drawings and engineering on almost all of the Amel boats from the late 1960’s onward. He was Captain Amel’s ‘eyes’ and interpreted Captain Amel’s ideas into the boats we all love. How do I know this? I watched him do the 54 and no external resources were involved in the 54. I have seen the blueprints for other Amel designs with Carteau’s initials and name in the data box on the drawings.

 

Just to keep things clear and correct.

 

All The Best, JoelJoel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 10:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease

 

 

Hi Porter

I think you have the Balmar Furling System ? Correct? If so, with you plans , change this system to a Reckman System; ok very costy ,but for the next 20 Years no problems.

Nice and interesting Website, congratulation. One thing only; Henri Amel did not design the Amel 54. The Company Amel with extern architects did it.

Best regards

Hanspeter



Von meinem iPad gesendet


Am 29.04.2017 um 12:36 schrieb Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@yahoocom [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Gents,
A question if you would.

Sailing Martinique to Fort Lauderdale these two weeks. Stopped in Guadeloupe as the trinquet motor pooped out. Took it out and amel Martinique is sending a new one plus belt.

Question one: what kind of grease was that packed in there? I took it out and need to repack.

Q2: the motor had corroded and I found 10 or so cc of h20 on the motor and surrounds. I could not find a seal to replace or one that had failed. How can I mitigate this water situation in the future? Is that the purpose of the grease? In addition to greasing the gears?

Q3: anyone have any tips on re-assembly?

Very appreciated.

Porter

S/V IBIS. 54-152. Punta Cana.

Please excuse the errors.
Sent from my IPhone
Www.fouribis.com


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Raymarine A3G AST -Drive Stopped

Duane Siegfri
 

Thanks for your help Bill.

I rechecked everything and got the same results.  It appears the S3G has lost the ability to energize the  "MOTOR" terminals when the SmartPilot should turn the wheel to adjust the course.

I sent an email to Dan and am hoping he's still in business.

Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease/Amel 55/54 designers

amelforme
 

Hello Hanspeter. I think you are confusing the Amel 55 with the Amel 54. The Amel 55 hull and deck and rigging was designed by Berret and Racoupeau, a naval architecture  firm located in La Rochelle France. All of the systems engineering and ‘Amel ‘details on the Amel 55 were still the province of the Amel design team within the Amel shipyard in La Rochelle.   The Amel 54 was designed by the Amel Design Group.. Yes Captain Amel was gone when this boat was first launched but the drawings and engineering of the Amel 54 were done largely by Jacque Carteau who was, in fact, the one who did the drawings and engineering on almost all of the Amel boats from the late 1960’s onward. He was Captain Amel’s ‘eyes’ and interpreted Captain Amel’s ideas into the boats we all love. How do I know this? I watched him do the 54 and no external resources were involved in the 54. I have seen the blueprints for other Amel designs with Carteau’s initials and name in the data box on the drawings.

 

Just to keep things clear and correct.

 

All The Best, JoelJoel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 10:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease

 

 

Hi Porter

I think you have the Balmar Furling System ? Correct? If so, with you plans , change this system to a Reckman System; ok very costy ,but for the next 20 Years no problems.

Nice and interesting Website, congratulation. One thing only; Henri Amel did not design the Amel 54. The Company Amel with extern architects did it.

Best regards

Hanspeter



Von meinem iPad gesendet


Am 29.04.2017 um 12:36 schrieb Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Gents,
A question if you would.

Sailing Martinique to Fort Lauderdale these two weeks. Stopped in Guadeloupe as the trinquet motor pooped out. Took it out and amel Martinique is sending a new one plus belt.

Question one: what kind of grease was that packed in there? I took it out and need to repack.

Q2: the motor had corroded and I found 10 or so cc of h20 on the motor and surrounds. I could not find a seal to replace or one that had failed. How can I mitigate this water situation in the future? Is that the purpose of the grease? In addition to greasing the gears?

Q3: anyone have any tips on re-assembly?

Very appreciated.

Porter

S/V IBIS. 54-152. Punta Cana.

Please excuse the errors.
Sent from my IPhone
Www.fouribis.com


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Raymarine A3G AST -Drive Stopped

Duane Siegfri
 

Bill,

I checked the "Motor" terminals in the S3G enclosure and there was no corrosion.

I also checked the rudder reference and it appears in good condition.  I operated the wheel with the Controller on "Auto" and the rudder reference on the Controller appeared to be in sync with the wheel position so wouldn't that lead you to believe it is functioning normally?

If the "Motor" terminals are not energized, then there is no way for the controller to operated the linear and rotary drives, which lines up with the manual explanation of "Drive Stopped" as "The autopilot is unable to turn the rudder...".  It won't be able to turn the rudder without the motors.

I can't think of anything else that would cause the "Motor" terminals to be de-energized when the Controller is ON, in AUTO, and with a command +10.

Unless you, or someone else has an idea, I'll dismount the S3G and send it to your reference in CO.

Thanks,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Raymarine A3G AST -Drive Stopped

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Duane, 

The clutch and drive motor should only get power when the control head is set to AUTO. The clutch should get about 12 volts, and the motor get about 24 volts. The polarity will change causing the drive to turn the rudder Port or Stbd. There will be no voltage at the drive motor terminals unless the S3G wants to turn the rudder. To be safe while checking voltage at the S3G motor terminals, you should have Peg press +10 on the control head while it is set to AUTO. 

If you are not getting voltage at the S3G drive motor terminals and there is no fuse blown on the S3G, you probably need to have the S3G repaired.  

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School 
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970




   

On Apr 29, 2017 09:52, "sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,


The voltage on the clutch connection on the S3G reads 12.9volts.  That seems good.  The "Power" connections are 24.5 volts.  The "Motor" wires (next to the "Power" wires and connected by screw lugs) reads 0.0V.

I had the instruments all turned on (the three breakers on the 24V panel)  For good measure I also turned on the "Instrument" breaker in the hanging closet, and the PG500 and Hydra, although that should make no difference.

If the "Motor" is not getting power, then I would think I have an issue with the S3G???

I'm going to look at the connections to be sure there isn't some corrosion.

Thanks,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Raymarine A3G AST -Drive Stopped

Duane Siegfri
 

Bill,

The voltage on the clutch connection on the S3G reads 12.9volts.  That seems good.  The "Power" connections are 24.5 volts.  The "Motor" wires (next to the "Power" wires and connected by screw lugs) reads 0.0V.

I had the instruments all turned on (the three breakers on the 24V panel)  For good measure I also turned on the "Instrument" breaker in the hanging closet, and the PG500 and Hydra, although that should make no difference.

If the "Motor" is not getting power, then I would think I have an issue with the S3G???

I'm going to look at the connections to be sure there isn't some corrosion.

Thanks,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease

hanspeter baettig
 

Hi Porter
I think you have the Balmar Furling System ? Correct? If so, with you plans , change this system to a Reckman System; ok very costy ,but for the next 20 Years no problems.
Nice and interesting Website, congratulation. One thing only; Henri Amel did not design the Amel 54. The Company Amel with extern architects did it.
Best regards
Hanspeter


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Am 29.04.2017 um 12:36 schrieb Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Gents,
A question if you would.

Sailing Martinique to Fort Lauderdale these two weeks. Stopped in Guadeloupe as the trinquet motor pooped out. Took it out and amel Martinique is sending a new one plus belt.

Question one: what kind of grease was that packed in there? I took it out and need to repack.

Q2: the motor had corroded and I found 10 or so cc of h20 on the motor and surrounds. I could not find a seal to replace or one that had failed. How can I mitigate this water situation in the future? Is that the purpose of the grease? In addition to greasing the gears?

Q3: anyone have any tips on re-assembly?

Very appreciated.

Porter

S/V IBIS. 54-152. Punta Cana.

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Raymarine A3G AST -Drive Stopped

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Duane, 

The reason I want you to go through the "drill" on the voltage, is because it is important. 

Raymarine only makes 12VDC clutches which means your Raymarine 24VDC drive has 12VDC clutches.

There is a clutch fuse on the S3. It has to be inserted into the "12v" slots, not the "24v" slots. Check where the fuse is inserted and check the condition of the fuse. If the fuse is in the wrong slot, chances are your clutches are damaged. If it is in the correct slot and the fuse is good...and the rudder reference is good and mechanically connected good, it is likely that a component of the S3G needs replacing.  I like to use a guy in Colorado for anything Raymarine. Dan Gerhard C250"at"mydurango.net. Other owners have also used Dan as a Raymarine trusted source. He ships worldwide. 

I bought from Dan a refurbished S3G and 7001 control head, and a new fluxgate compass, and rudder reference. My plan was to sell them on eBay when we sold the boat. My thinking was that the difference in purchase and selling prices would be rent. Dan told me that the most probable failures would be the rudder reference and the fluxgate. My experience was opposite which just goes to prove that anything can happen. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School 
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   


On Apr 28, 2017 19:44, "sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,


I'll try to answer your 12v/24v question in the morning.  Thanks for the tip.

The rudder reference seems to be working, based on observation of the Raymarine Control Head (that's the name of the autopilot device at the helm station I believe).  It does indicate the rudder position.  I'll visually check that it seems in good condition though.

Thanks,
Duane



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Trinquet furling motor grease

John Clark
 

Hi Porter,
   that is a bummer on the motor.  I am not familiar with the the triniquet furler, that must be a "54" feature.  If the water inside the housing was fresh water the old motor might be recoverable.  I know you don't want to mess around with it right now, but I would hold onto it and see if a shop can clean it up.  It would make a great on-board spare.  

Will Jean Collin send a "care package" with grease  along with the replacement motor?   I am sure you are spending a few euro on the replacment....seems like he could add a tube of grease.

                    Regards,   John

Vent de Soleil SM 37
Phillipsburg St. Maarten 





On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 6:36 AM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Gents,
A question if you would.

Sailing Martinique to Fort Lauderdale these two weeks. Stopped in Guadeloupe as the trinquet motor pooped out. Took it out and amel Martinique is sending a new one plus belt.

Question one: what kind of grease was that packed in there? I took it out and need to repack.

Q2: the motor had corroded and I found 10 or so cc of h20 on the motor and surrounds. I could not find a seal to replace or one that had failed. How can I mitigate this water situation in the future? Is that the purpose of the grease? In addition to greasing the gears?

Q3: anyone have any tips on re-assembly?

Very appreciated.

Porter

S/V IBIS. 54-152. Punta Cana.

Please excuse the errors.
Sent from my IPhone
Www.fouribis.com



Trinquet furling motor grease

Porter McRoberts
 

Gents,
A question if you would.

Sailing Martinique to Fort Lauderdale these two weeks. Stopped in Guadeloupe as the trinquet motor pooped out. Took it out and amel Martinique is sending a new one plus belt.

Question one: what kind of grease was that packed in there? I took it out and need to repack.

Q2: the motor had corroded and I found 10 or so cc of h20 on the motor and surrounds. I could not find a seal to replace or one that had failed. How can I mitigate this water situation in the future? Is that the purpose of the grease? In addition to greasing the gears?

Q3: anyone have any tips on re-assembly?

Very appreciated.

Porter

S/V IBIS. 54-152. Punta Cana.

Please excuse the errors.
Sent from my IPhone
Www.fouribis.com