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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Excellent.  Thanks Eric 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347
6S


On May 6, 2017, at 10:02 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,

The ground strap that goes to the block from the other terminal on the “valero” solenoid is also on my engine. It grounds the block so that when the solenoid is closed the starter motor had a negative to start the engine.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

See you in a few days.

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 8:05 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

I did resolve the start- stop issue and learned a lot.  It was the start-stop solenoid mounted on engine.  It was multiple bad corroded connections: two wires from small plastic relay next to Valero (actually not Valero but replacement installed by previous owner.  No button on this one) had become corroded and partially disconnected from Valero.  Hence the intermittent failure.  Also as they were corroded in the protective boot at the connector, so it was not visible to me.   This was my ongoing intermittent start-stop issue. But there was more.  The previous owner had installed a start button in engine room to circumvent ignition key in control panel in event of panel failure.  However when intermittent failure become constant failure, engine room button would not work either.  How was this possible?  The ground from the Valero type unit had become disconnected as a result of very hard passage from BVI to St Martin.  When connected all works well.   The ground strap on this unit - opposite post from large black battery cable is only about 5 inches long and seems to attach to motor and is not a ground for other electrical items.  Different from Valero hook-up Eric describes.  I need to investigate closer to make sure no grounded issues exist. 

 

Eric, We will come by to visit.  Look forward to meeting you and Betty.

 

Ben Driver

S/V La Bella Vita

SM #347


On May 5, 2017, at 11:52 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben and Gayle,

I should be on board by 4 Pm Sunday the 14th Betty arrives on the 15th about 2 PM.

We would live to meet you.

Please knock hard on the boat as we usually are closed up with the AC running.

Any luck with the start stop problem?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:00 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

Eric,

We're at anchor just past the swing bridge on the french side (barely). Close to Bobby's airport yard .  We are waiting on sail repair at St Martin Sail.  We'll  come by Simpson Bay Marina for a visit when you return.  We should be here until the  20th.  

Ben 

 

Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita

SM #347

6S

 


On May 5, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Where are you located in St Marten?

Drop by in any event , I would like to meet you.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:24 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

Excellent detail.  Thanks Eric.  Sounds like you too have been down the Yanmar electrical trail.   Hopefully i can get this fixed soon,  but if not,  I may knock on your door when you return.  

 

Ben

Ben and Gayle 

S/V La Bella Vita

SM #347


On May 4, 2017, at 11:03 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

As you face the engine there is a large relay made by valeo to the left of the alternator.

Both the start and stop solenoids get their battery ground from this solenoid when it is closed.

On one side of the valeo there is a  large stud on the solenoid and should have a Very heavy black cable which connects directly to the starter battery. You can check the battery connection between this cable and the red battery cable on the starter motor with a voltmeter.

 

The other large stud should have a heavy gauge black wire that along its length around the back of the engine  and has all the negative connections for everything on the engine ( numerous soldered connections and gooey electrical tape). It ends at the negative pole on the Yanmar small alternator.

 

Try depressing the black button down on the valeo and while holding the button down have someone else  try starting the engine and stopping the engine.

I think that will solve the problem. Just make sure the valeo solenoid engages when you try to start or stop. If it does and the engine still does not start / stop  then the solenoid should be taken apart and have the contacts cleaned. If the solenoid does not try to engage- you will feel this through the body of the solenoid. You then have a break in the wiring to the solenoid. If you feel it try to engage with the start button and not with the start key then it is the start key and a bad solenoid and vice versa.

 

Further electrical info. From the valeo solenoid under heat shrink tubing there are diodes to prevent the engine starting and stopping at the same time.

You could have a bad diode—I doubt that.

 

To the left of the valeo solenoid is another black Yanmar solenoid that is wired to the valeo and then runs to the solenoid on the starter motor. This solenoid is powered by the panel start switch (red wire)  and the negative is connected to the Valeo solenoid via the smaller black wire.. The stop solenoid in the fuel injector pump is connected to the stop button on the panel and is also connected to the valeo solenoid thus the need for the diodes.

 

I know this is complicated but the fellow who originally wired the engine is being released from the Psychiatric hospital in 2 months.

However if you can’t wait for him,

I can help you if you will be in SXM late afternoon on the 14 of this month and I will be on board for a week.

Simpson Bay Marina slip C14.

 

I am in NY and the boat is in SXM. However this wiring is burned in my brain.

 

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 4:39 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

I have  starting and stopping issue with my yanmar 4-JH3-TE.  It begin with stop button failure then progressed to intermittant starter failure and now total failure of starter to engage.  Because of timing I feel they are related.

After Initially troubleshooting the connections and cleaning them I checked out the stop button with multi meter and I determined it was good but ignition switch was sending only 6 volts to button.  I assume stop solenoid needs at least 10 volts to work?  There is 12 volts coming into ignition switch.

In any event , I moved on to more pressing start issue. 
By clicking key on and off I was get it to spin.  Now all I get is clicking at the small green relay attached on starboard side of motor.  ( I seem to have three solenoid or relays/. One on the starter, one attached to motor and another relay or solenoid attached to motor which gives me the click.  
After bad connection my first thought was faulty relay or solenoid now thinking maybe ignition switch corroded and not providing  voltage to starter solenoid or stop switch. 

I would appreciate amy and all suggestions 

Thanks 
Ben

Ben and Gayle
La Bella Vita
SM2K 347
Currently St. Martin 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

Eric Freedman
 

Ben,

Sorry .

Here is a photo of the rewire of my engine. The Big Negative Battery cable and the other black wire I referred are both connected to the same stud on the Valeo Solenoid.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 8:07 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

I erroneously refer to relay/solenoid as Valero is should be VALEO

Ben Driver

S/V La Bella Vita

SM #347


On May 5, 2017, at 11:52 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben and Gayle,

I should be on board by 4 Pm Sunday the 14th Betty arrives on the 15th about 2 PM.

We would live to meet you.

Please knock hard on the boat as we usually are closed up with the AC running.

Any luck with the start stop problem?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:00 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

Eric,

We're at anchor just past the swing bridge on the french side (barely). Close to Bobby's airport yard .  We are waiting on sail repair at St Martin Sail.  We'll  come by Simpson Bay Marina for a visit when you return.  We should be here until the  20th.  

Ben 

 

Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita

SM #347

6S

 


On May 5, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Where are you located in St Marten?

Drop by in any event , I would like to meet you.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:24 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

Excellent detail.  Thanks Eric.  Sounds like you too have been down the Yanmar electrical trail.   Hopefully i can get this fixed soon,  but if not,  I may knock on your door when you return.  

 

Ben

Ben and Gayle 

S/V La Bella Vita

SM #347


On May 4, 2017, at 11:03 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

As you face the engine there is a large relay made by valeo to the left of the alternator.

Both the start and stop solenoids get their battery ground from this solenoid when it is closed.

On one side of the valeo there is a  large stud on the solenoid and should have a Very heavy black cable which connects directly to the starter battery. You can check the battery connection between this cable and the red battery cable on the starter motor with a voltmeter.

 

The other large stud should have a heavy gauge black wire that along its length around the back of the engine  and has all the negative connections for everything on the engine ( numerous soldered connections and gooey electrical tape). It ends at the negative pole on the Yanmar small alternator.

 

Try depressing the black button down on the valeo and while holding the button down have someone else  try starting the engine and stopping the engine.

I think that will solve the problem. Just make sure the valeo solenoid engages when you try to start or stop. If it does and the engine still does not start / stop  then the solenoid should be taken apart and have the contacts cleaned. If the solenoid does not try to engage- you will feel this through the body of the solenoid. You then have a break in the wiring to the solenoid. If you feel it try to engage with the start button and not with the start key then it is the start key and a bad solenoid and vice versa.

 

Further electrical info. From the valeo solenoid under heat shrink tubing there are diodes to prevent the engine starting and stopping at the same time.

You could have a bad diode—I doubt that.

 

To the left of the valeo solenoid is another black Yanmar solenoid that is wired to the valeo and then runs to the solenoid on the starter motor. This solenoid is powered by the panel start switch (red wire)  and the negative is connected to the Valeo solenoid via the smaller black wire.. The stop solenoid in the fuel injector pump is connected to the stop button on the panel and is also connected to the valeo solenoid thus the need for the diodes.

 

I know this is complicated but the fellow who originally wired the engine is being released from the Psychiatric hospital in 2 months.

However if you can’t wait for him,

I can help you if you will be in SXM late afternoon on the 14 of this month and I will be on board for a week.

Simpson Bay Marina slip C14.

 

I am in NY and the boat is in SXM. However this wiring is burned in my brain.

 

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 4:39 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

I have  starting and stopping issue with my yanmar 4-JH3-TE.  It begin with stop button failure then progressed to intermittant starter failure and now total failure of starter to engage.  Because of timing I feel they are related.

After Initially troubleshooting the connections and cleaning them I checked out the stop button with multi meter and I determined it was good but ignition switch was sending only 6 volts to button.  I assume stop solenoid needs at least 10 volts to work?  There is 12 volts coming into ignition switch.

In any event , I moved on to more pressing start issue. 
By clicking key on and off I was get it to spin.  Now all I get is clicking at the small green relay attached on starboard side of motor.  ( I seem to have three solenoid or relays/. One on the starter, one attached to motor and another relay or solenoid attached to motor which gives me the click.  
After bad connection my first thought was faulty relay or solenoid now thinking maybe ignition switch corroded and not providing  voltage to starter solenoid or stop switch. 

I would appreciate amy and all suggestions 

Thanks 
Ben

Ben and Gayle
La Bella Vita
SM2K 347
Currently St. Martin 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

Eric Freedman
 

Ben,

The ground strap that goes to the block from the other terminal on the “valero” solenoid is also on my engine. It grounds the block so that when the solenoid is closed the starter motor had a negative to start the engine.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

See you in a few days.

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 8:05 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

I did resolve the start- stop issue and learned a lot.  It was the start-stop solenoid mounted on engine.  It was multiple bad corroded connections: two wires from small plastic relay next to Valero (actually not Valero but replacement installed by previous owner.  No button on this one) had become corroded and partially disconnected from Valero.  Hence the intermittent failure.  Also as they were corroded in the protective boot at the connector, so it was not visible to me.   This was my ongoing intermittent start-stop issue. But there was more.  The previous owner had installed a start button in engine room to circumvent ignition key in control panel in event of panel failure.  However when intermittent failure become constant failure, engine room button would not work either.  How was this possible?  The ground from the Valero type unit had become disconnected as a result of very hard passage from BVI to St Martin.  When connected all works well.   The ground strap on this unit - opposite post from large black battery cable is only about 5 inches long and seems to attach to motor and is not a ground for other electrical items.  Different from Valero hook-up Eric describes.  I need to investigate closer to make sure no grounded issues exist. 

 

Eric, We will come by to visit.  Look forward to meeting you and Betty.

 

Ben Driver

S/V La Bella Vita

SM #347


On May 5, 2017, at 11:52 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben and Gayle,

I should be on board by 4 Pm Sunday the 14th Betty arrives on the 15th about 2 PM.

We would live to meet you.

Please knock hard on the boat as we usually are closed up with the AC running.

Any luck with the start stop problem?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:00 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

Eric,

We're at anchor just past the swing bridge on the french side (barely). Close to Bobby's airport yard .  We are waiting on sail repair at St Martin Sail.  We'll  come by Simpson Bay Marina for a visit when you return.  We should be here until the  20th.  

Ben 

 

Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita

SM #347

6S

 


On May 5, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Where are you located in St Marten?

Drop by in any event , I would like to meet you.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:24 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

Excellent detail.  Thanks Eric.  Sounds like you too have been down the Yanmar electrical trail.   Hopefully i can get this fixed soon,  but if not,  I may knock on your door when you return.  

 

Ben

Ben and Gayle 

S/V La Bella Vita

SM #347


On May 4, 2017, at 11:03 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

As you face the engine there is a large relay made by valeo to the left of the alternator.

Both the start and stop solenoids get their battery ground from this solenoid when it is closed.

On one side of the valeo there is a  large stud on the solenoid and should have a Very heavy black cable which connects directly to the starter battery. You can check the battery connection between this cable and the red battery cable on the starter motor with a voltmeter.

 

The other large stud should have a heavy gauge black wire that along its length around the back of the engine  and has all the negative connections for everything on the engine ( numerous soldered connections and gooey electrical tape). It ends at the negative pole on the Yanmar small alternator.

 

Try depressing the black button down on the valeo and while holding the button down have someone else  try starting the engine and stopping the engine.

I think that will solve the problem. Just make sure the valeo solenoid engages when you try to start or stop. If it does and the engine still does not start / stop  then the solenoid should be taken apart and have the contacts cleaned. If the solenoid does not try to engage- you will feel this through the body of the solenoid. You then have a break in the wiring to the solenoid. If you feel it try to engage with the start button and not with the start key then it is the start key and a bad solenoid and vice versa.

 

Further electrical info. From the valeo solenoid under heat shrink tubing there are diodes to prevent the engine starting and stopping at the same time.

You could have a bad diode—I doubt that.

 

To the left of the valeo solenoid is another black Yanmar solenoid that is wired to the valeo and then runs to the solenoid on the starter motor. This solenoid is powered by the panel start switch (red wire)  and the negative is connected to the Valeo solenoid via the smaller black wire.. The stop solenoid in the fuel injector pump is connected to the stop button on the panel and is also connected to the valeo solenoid thus the need for the diodes.

 

I know this is complicated but the fellow who originally wired the engine is being released from the Psychiatric hospital in 2 months.

However if you can’t wait for him,

I can help you if you will be in SXM late afternoon on the 14 of this month and I will be on board for a week.

Simpson Bay Marina slip C14.

 

I am in NY and the boat is in SXM. However this wiring is burned in my brain.

 

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 4:39 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

I have  starting and stopping issue with my yanmar 4-JH3-TE.  It begin with stop button failure then progressed to intermittant starter failure and now total failure of starter to engage.  Because of timing I feel they are related.

After Initially troubleshooting the connections and cleaning them I checked out the stop button with multi meter and I determined it was good but ignition switch was sending only 6 volts to button.  I assume stop solenoid needs at least 10 volts to work?  There is 12 volts coming into ignition switch.

In any event , I moved on to more pressing start issue. 
By clicking key on and off I was get it to spin.  Now all I get is clicking at the small green relay attached on starboard side of motor.  ( I seem to have three solenoid or relays/. One on the starter, one attached to motor and another relay or solenoid attached to motor which gives me the click.  
After bad connection my first thought was faulty relay or solenoid now thinking maybe ignition switch corroded and not providing  voltage to starter solenoid or stop switch. 

I would appreciate amy and all suggestions 

Thanks 
Ben

Ben and Gayle
La Bella Vita
SM2K 347
Currently St. Martin 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

I erroneously refer to relay/solenoid as Valero is should be VALEO

Ben Driver
S/V La Bella Vita
SM #347

On May 5, 2017, at 11:52 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben and Gayle,

I should be on board by 4 Pm Sunday the 14th Betty arrives on the 15th about 2 PM.

We would live to meet you.

Please knock hard on the boat as we usually are closed up with the AC running.

Any luck with the start stop problem?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:00 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

Eric,

We're at anchor just past the swing bridge on the french side (barely). Close to Bobby's airport yard .  We are waiting on sail repair at St Martin Sail.  We'll  come by Simpson Bay Marina for a visit when you return.  We should be here until the  20th.  

Ben 

 

Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita

SM #347

6S

 


On May 5, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Where are you located in St Marten?

Drop by in any event , I would like to meet you.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:24 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

Excellent detail.  Thanks Eric.  Sounds like you too have been down the Yanmar electrical trail.   Hopefully i can get this fixed soon,  but if not,  I may knock on your door when you return.  

 

Ben

Ben and Gayle 

S/V La Bella Vita

SM #347


On May 4, 2017, at 11:03 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

As you face the engine there is a large relay made by valeo to the left of the alternator.

Both the start and stop solenoids get their battery ground from this solenoid when it is closed.

On one side of the valeo there is a  large stud on the solenoid and should have a Very heavy black cable which connects directly to the starter battery. You can check the battery connection between this cable and the red battery cable on the starter motor with a voltmeter.

 

The other large stud should have a heavy gauge black wire that along its length around the back of the engine  and has all the negative connections for everything on the engine ( numerous soldered connections and gooey electrical tape). It ends at the negative pole on the Yanmar small alternator.

 

Try depressing the black button down on the valeo and while holding the button down have someone else  try starting the engine and stopping the engine.

I think that will solve the problem. Just make sure the valeo solenoid engages when you try to start or stop. If it does and the engine still does not start / stop  then the solenoid should be taken apart and have the contacts cleaned. If the solenoid does not try to engage- you will feel this through the body of the solenoid. You then have a break in the wiring to the solenoid. If you feel it try to engage with the start button and not with the start key then it is the start key and a bad solenoid and vice versa.

 

Further electrical info. From the valeo solenoid under heat shrink tubing there are diodes to prevent the engine starting and stopping at the same time.

You could have a bad diode—I doubt that.

 

To the left of the valeo solenoid is another black Yanmar solenoid that is wired to the valeo and then runs to the solenoid on the starter motor. This solenoid is powered by the panel start switch (red wire)  and the negative is connected to the Valeo solenoid via the smaller black wire.. The stop solenoid in the fuel injector pump is connected to the stop button on the panel and is also connected to the valeo solenoid thus the need for the diodes.

 

I know this is complicated but the fellow who originally wired the engine is being released from the Psychiatric hospital in 2 months.

However if you can’t wait for him,

I can help you if you will be in SXM late afternoon on the 14 of this month and I will be on board for a week.

Simpson Bay Marina slip C14.

 

I am in NY and the boat is in SXM. However this wiring is burned in my brain.

 

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 4:39 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

I have  starting and stopping issue with my yanmar 4-JH3-TE.  It begin with stop button failure then progressed to intermittant starter failure and now total failure of starter to engage.  Because of timing I feel they are related.

After Initially troubleshooting the connections and cleaning them I checked out the stop button with multi meter and I determined it was good but ignition switch was sending only 6 volts to button.  I assume stop solenoid needs at least 10 volts to work?  There is 12 volts coming into ignition switch.

In any event , I moved on to more pressing start issue. 
By clicking key on and off I was get it to spin.  Now all I get is clicking at the small green relay attached on starboard side of motor.  ( I seem to have three solenoid or relays/. One on the starter, one attached to motor and another relay or solenoid attached to motor which gives me the click.  
After bad connection my first thought was faulty relay or solenoid now thinking maybe ignition switch corroded and not providing  voltage to starter solenoid or stop switch. 

I would appreciate amy and all suggestions 

Thanks 
Ben

Ben and Gayle
La Bella Vita
SM2K 347
Currently St. Martin 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

I did resolve the start- stop issue and learned a lot.  It was the start-stop solenoid mounted on engine.  It was multiple bad corroded connections: two wires from small plastic relay next to Valero (actually not Valero but replacement installed by previous owner.  No button on this one) had become corroded and partially disconnected from Valero.  Hence the intermittent failure.  Also as they were corroded in the protective boot at the connector, so it was not visible to me.   This was my ongoing intermittent start-stop issue. But there was more.  The previous owner had installed a start button in engine room to circumvent ignition key in control panel in event of panel failure.  However when intermittent failure become constant failure, engine room button would not work either.  How was this possible?  The ground from the Valero type unit had become disconnected as a result of very hard passage from BVI to St Martin.  When connected all works well.   The ground strap on this unit - opposite post from large black battery cable is only about 5 inches long and seems to attach to motor and is not a ground for other electrical items.  Different from Valero hook-up Eric describes.  I need to investigate closer to make sure no grounded issues exist. 

Eric, We will come by to visit.  Look forward to meeting you and Betty.

Ben Driver
S/V La Bella Vita
SM #347

On May 5, 2017, at 11:52 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben and Gayle,

I should be on board by 4 Pm Sunday the 14th Betty arrives on the 15th about 2 PM.

We would live to meet you.

Please knock hard on the boat as we usually are closed up with the AC running.

Any luck with the start stop problem?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:00 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

Eric,

We're at anchor just past the swing bridge on the french side (barely). Close to Bobby's airport yard .  We are waiting on sail repair at St Martin Sail.  We'll  come by Simpson Bay Marina for a visit when you return.  We should be here until the  20th.  

Ben 

 

Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita

SM #347

6S

 


On May 5, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Where are you located in St Marten?

Drop by in any event , I would like to meet you.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:24 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

Excellent detail.  Thanks Eric.  Sounds like you too have been down the Yanmar electrical trail.   Hopefully i can get this fixed soon,  but if not,  I may knock on your door when you return.  

 

Ben

Ben and Gayle 

S/V La Bella Vita

SM #347


On May 4, 2017, at 11:03 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

As you face the engine there is a large relay made by valeo to the left of the alternator.

Both the start and stop solenoids get their battery ground from this solenoid when it is closed.

On one side of the valeo there is a  large stud on the solenoid and should have a Very heavy black cable which connects directly to the starter battery. You can check the battery connection between this cable and the red battery cable on the starter motor with a voltmeter.

 

The other large stud should have a heavy gauge black wire that along its length around the back of the engine  and has all the negative connections for everything on the engine ( numerous soldered connections and gooey electrical tape). It ends at the negative pole on the Yanmar small alternator.

 

Try depressing the black button down on the valeo and while holding the button down have someone else  try starting the engine and stopping the engine.

I think that will solve the problem. Just make sure the valeo solenoid engages when you try to start or stop. If it does and the engine still does not start / stop  then the solenoid should be taken apart and have the contacts cleaned. If the solenoid does not try to engage- you will feel this through the body of the solenoid. You then have a break in the wiring to the solenoid. If you feel it try to engage with the start button and not with the start key then it is the start key and a bad solenoid and vice versa.

 

Further electrical info. From the valeo solenoid under heat shrink tubing there are diodes to prevent the engine starting and stopping at the same time.

You could have a bad diode—I doubt that.

 

To the left of the valeo solenoid is another black Yanmar solenoid that is wired to the valeo and then runs to the solenoid on the starter motor. This solenoid is powered by the panel start switch (red wire)  and the negative is connected to the Valeo solenoid via the smaller black wire.. The stop solenoid in the fuel injector pump is connected to the stop button on the panel and is also connected to the valeo solenoid thus the need for the diodes.

 

I know this is complicated but the fellow who originally wired the engine is being released from the Psychiatric hospital in 2 months.

However if you can’t wait for him,

I can help you if you will be in SXM late afternoon on the 14 of this month and I will be on board for a week.

Simpson Bay Marina slip C14.

 

I am in NY and the boat is in SXM. However this wiring is burned in my brain.

 

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 4:39 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

I have  starting and stopping issue with my yanmar 4-JH3-TE.  It begin with stop button failure then progressed to intermittant starter failure and now total failure of starter to engage.  Because of timing I feel they are related.

After Initially troubleshooting the connections and cleaning them I checked out the stop button with multi meter and I determined it was good but ignition switch was sending only 6 volts to button.  I assume stop solenoid needs at least 10 volts to work?  There is 12 volts coming into ignition switch.

In any event , I moved on to more pressing start issue. 
By clicking key on and off I was get it to spin.  Now all I get is clicking at the small green relay attached on starboard side of motor.  ( I seem to have three solenoid or relays/. One on the starter, one attached to motor and another relay or solenoid attached to motor which gives me the click.  
After bad connection my first thought was faulty relay or solenoid now thinking maybe ignition switch corroded and not providing  voltage to starter solenoid or stop switch. 

I would appreciate amy and all suggestions 

Thanks 
Ben

Ben and Gayle
La Bella Vita
SM2K 347
Currently St. Martin 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Santorin, the mastery of water under the floors of the saloon

ste.dente
 

Hallo Ric,
can you please tell me where do you take the salt water ? On my Santorin the foot pump under the sink telescope water from the main tank. I'd like to use it for salt water, but I can't find the way to realize it. Did you make a new "hole" in the hull? Thanks!

Stefania
Euploia- #SN 93 Bocca di Magra 

Il giorno 05 mag 2017, alle ore 20:58, Ric Gottschalk ric@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 

Attilio,

The foot pump under the sink in my Santorin is for seawater. We wash dishes  in seawater and rinse with fresh. Suggest you taste it.

Cheers,y Santorin

Ric Gottschalk

Bali Hai SN24

Annapolis

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 2:13 PM
To: Craig Briggs
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Santorin, the mastery of water under the floors of the saloon

 

 

We always found water under the floor of the saloon below the ladder and under the sink, and today I discovered the mistery.
When I fill the main tank up to 800 liters, the overflow is at left side of the sink, but below the sink there is a secondary hose coupled with a pedal pump useful in case of failure of the electrical pumps located in the engine room. That hose has a level about 60cm below the tank inlet, even if hanging just below the sink, so the real overflow is that, before than the one at the sink, and the overflow floods the upper bilge, I.e. The area below the floors of the saloon.
Solution: sugar plug on the emergency hose.
Hope this helps in case of my same problem
Attilio
AMEL Santorin #84 Sisila now at Olympic Marina Greece

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

Eric Freedman
 

Ben and Gayle,

I should be on board by 4 Pm Sunday the 14th Betty arrives on the 15th about 2 PM.

We would live to meet you.

Please knock hard on the boat as we usually are closed up with the AC running.

Any luck with the start stop problem?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:00 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

Eric,

We're at anchor just past the swing bridge on the french side (barely). Close to Bobby's airport yard .  We are waiting on sail repair at St Martin Sail.  We'll  come by Simpson Bay Marina for a visit when you return.  We should be here until the  20th.  

Ben 

 

Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita

SM #347

6S

 


On May 5, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Where are you located in St Marten?

Drop by in any event , I would like to meet you.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:24 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

Excellent detail.  Thanks Eric.  Sounds like you too have been down the Yanmar electrical trail.   Hopefully i can get this fixed soon,  but if not,  I may knock on your door when you return.  

 

Ben

Ben and Gayle 

S/V La Bella Vita

SM #347


On May 4, 2017, at 11:03 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

As you face the engine there is a large relay made by valeo to the left of the alternator.

Both the start and stop solenoids get their battery ground from this solenoid when it is closed.

On one side of the valeo there is a  large stud on the solenoid and should have a Very heavy black cable which connects directly to the starter battery. You can check the battery connection between this cable and the red battery cable on the starter motor with a voltmeter.

 

The other large stud should have a heavy gauge black wire that along its length around the back of the engine  and has all the negative connections for everything on the engine ( numerous soldered connections and gooey electrical tape). It ends at the negative pole on the Yanmar small alternator.

 

Try depressing the black button down on the valeo and while holding the button down have someone else  try starting the engine and stopping the engine.

I think that will solve the problem. Just make sure the valeo solenoid engages when you try to start or stop. If it does and the engine still does not start / stop  then the solenoid should be taken apart and have the contacts cleaned. If the solenoid does not try to engage- you will feel this through the body of the solenoid. You then have a break in the wiring to the solenoid. If you feel it try to engage with the start button and not with the start key then it is the start key and a bad solenoid and vice versa.

 

Further electrical info. From the valeo solenoid under heat shrink tubing there are diodes to prevent the engine starting and stopping at the same time.

You could have a bad diode—I doubt that.

 

To the left of the valeo solenoid is another black Yanmar solenoid that is wired to the valeo and then runs to the solenoid on the starter motor. This solenoid is powered by the panel start switch (red wire)  and the negative is connected to the Valeo solenoid via the smaller black wire.. The stop solenoid in the fuel injector pump is connected to the stop button on the panel and is also connected to the valeo solenoid thus the need for the diodes.

 

I know this is complicated but the fellow who originally wired the engine is being released from the Psychiatric hospital in 2 months.

However if you can’t wait for him,

I can help you if you will be in SXM late afternoon on the 14 of this month and I will be on board for a week.

Simpson Bay Marina slip C14.

 

I am in NY and the boat is in SXM. However this wiring is burned in my brain.

 

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 4:39 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

I have  starting and stopping issue with my yanmar 4-JH3-TE.  It begin with stop button failure then progressed to intermittant starter failure and now total failure of starter to engage.  Because of timing I feel they are related.

After Initially troubleshooting the connections and cleaning them I checked out the stop button with multi meter and I determined it was good but ignition switch was sending only 6 volts to button.  I assume stop solenoid needs at least 10 volts to work?  There is 12 volts coming into ignition switch.

In any event , I moved on to more pressing start issue. 
By clicking key on and off I was get it to spin.  Now all I get is clicking at the small green relay attached on starboard side of motor.  ( I seem to have three solenoid or relays/. One on the starter, one attached to motor and another relay or solenoid attached to motor which gives me the click.  
After bad connection my first thought was faulty relay or solenoid now thinking maybe ignition switch corroded and not providing  voltage to starter solenoid or stop switch. 

I would appreciate amy and all suggestions 

Thanks 
Ben

Ben and Gayle
La Bella Vita
SM2K 347
Currently St. Martin 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Eric,
We're at anchor just past the swing bridge on the french side (barely). Close to Bobby's airport yard .  We are waiting on sail repair at St Martin Sail.  We'll  come by Simpson Bay Marina for a visit when you return.  We should be here until the  20th.  

Ben 

Ben and Gayle 
La Bella Vita
SM #347
6S


On May 5, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Where are you located in St Marten?

Drop by in any event , I would like to meet you.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:24 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

Excellent detail.  Thanks Eric.  Sounds like you too have been down the Yanmar electrical trail.   Hopefully i can get this fixed soon,  but if not,  I may knock on your door when you return.  

 

Ben

Ben and Gayle 

S/V La Bella Vita

SM #347


On May 4, 2017, at 11:03 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

As you face the engine there is a large relay made by valeo to the left of the alternator.

Both the start and stop solenoids get their battery ground from this solenoid when it is closed.

On one side of the valeo there is a  large stud on the solenoid and should have a Very heavy black cable which connects directly to the starter battery. You can check the battery connection between this cable and the red battery cable on the starter motor with a voltmeter.

 

The other large stud should have a heavy gauge black wire that along its length around the back of the engine  and has all the negative connections for everything on the engine ( numerous soldered connections and gooey electrical tape). It ends at the negative pole on the Yanmar small alternator.

 

Try depressing the black button down on the valeo and while holding the button down have someone else  try starting the engine and stopping the engine.

I think that will solve the problem. Just make sure the valeo solenoid engages when you try to start or stop. If it does and the engine still does not start / stop  then the solenoid should be taken apart and have the contacts cleaned. If the solenoid does not try to engage- you will feel this through the body of the solenoid. You then have a break in the wiring to the solenoid. If you feel it try to engage with the start button and not with the start key then it is the start key and a bad solenoid and vice versa.

 

Further electrical info. From the valeo solenoid under heat shrink tubing there are diodes to prevent the engine starting and stopping at the same time.

You could have a bad diode—I doubt that.

 

To the left of the valeo solenoid is another black Yanmar solenoid that is wired to the valeo and then runs to the solenoid on the starter motor. This solenoid is powered by the panel start switch (red wire)  and the negative is connected to the Valeo solenoid via the smaller black wire.. The stop solenoid in the fuel injector pump is connected to the stop button on the panel and is also connected to the valeo solenoid thus the need for the diodes.

 

I know this is complicated but the fellow who originally wired the engine is being released from the Psychiatric hospital in 2 months.

However if you can’t wait for him,

I can help you if you will be in SXM late afternoon on the 14 of this month and I will be on board for a week.

Simpson Bay Marina slip C14.

 

I am in NY and the boat is in SXM. However this wiring is burned in my brain.

 

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 4:39 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

I have  starting and stopping issue with my yanmar 4-JH3-TE.  It begin with stop button failure then progressed to intermittant starter failure and now total failure of starter to engage.  Because of timing I feel they are related.

After Initially troubleshooting the connections and cleaning them I checked out the stop button with multi meter and I determined it was good but ignition switch was sending only 6 volts to button.  I assume stop solenoid needs at least 10 volts to work?  There is 12 volts coming into ignition switch.

In any event , I moved on to more pressing start issue. 
By clicking key on and off I was get it to spin.  Now all I get is clicking at the small green relay attached on starboard side of motor.  ( I seem to have three solenoid or relays/. One on the starter, one attached to motor and another relay or solenoid attached to motor which gives me the click.  
After bad connection my first thought was faulty relay or solenoid now thinking maybe ignition switch corroded and not providing  voltage to starter solenoid or stop switch. 

I would appreciate amy and all suggestions 

Thanks 
Ben

Ben and Gayle
La Bella Vita
SM2K 347
Currently St. Martin 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Santorin, the mastery of water under the floors of the saloon

Craig Briggs
 

Hello Attilio and Ric,
On my SN#68 the foot pump was as on Attilio's, for fresh water. I re-purposed the hose to feed water from the water maker into the tank. 
Ric - love the hat and get many oohs and ahhhs.
Cheers,
Craig SN68 Sangaris



---In amelyachtowners@..., <ric@...> wrote :

Attilio,

The foot pump under the sink in my Santorin is for seawater. We wash dishes  in seawater and rinse with fresh. Suggest you taste it.

Cheers,

Ric Gottschalk

Bali Hai SN24

Annapolis

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 2:13 PM
To: Craig Briggs
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Santorin, the mastery of water under the floors of the saloon

 

 

We always found water under the floor of the saloon below the ladder and under the sink, and today I discovered the mistery.
When I fill the main tank up to 800 liters, the overflow is at left side of the sink, but below the sink there is a secondary hose coupled with a pedal pump useful in case of failure of the electrical pumps located in the engine room. That hose has a level about 60cm below the tank inlet, even if hanging just below the sink, so the real overflow is that, before than the one at the sink, and the overflow floods the upper bilge, I.e. The area below the floors of the saloon.
Solution: sugar plug on the emergency hose.
Hope this helps in case of my same problem
Attilio
AMEL Santorin #84 Sisila now at Olympic Marina Greece

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Intermittent Bow Thruster to Port

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Danny, excellent point!


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School 
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On May 5, 2017 15:47, "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Steve and Liz,
on our SM 299 there are position sensors on the bow thruster. These are positioned so when the thruster is fully down it will go. If these are slightly out of position you can get intermittent refusal to go. We had this and it took some time for me to work out what was wrong. In our case if I raised and relowered the thruster it would usually start. We had only recently bought the boat (8 years ago) so we were still in the discovery stage. Re positioning the sensors solved the issue.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 06 May 2017 at 00:21 "flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

When we left our slip in Sint Maarten a few days ago, when I used the bow thruster to port, it intermittently would not respond. If I continued to toggle the joystick back to center and the to port, it would usually start ion my 4th of 5th attempt. Once the thruster started, it would work normally until I re-centered the joystick. On the next attempt to port, it would sometimes work on the first try, or it could take several attempts again. Bow thrusting to starboard works normally every time.

I suspect the problem is just in the switch below the toggle, as it appears to be original to my 1992 SM. Has anyone else had these same symptoms, and if so, how did you repair it? Also, is there something else I should be looking for that might be causing the problem?

All thoughts and ideas are welcome.

Thanks,

Steve and Liz Davis
Aloha SM72
Bonaire


 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Intermittent Bow Thruster to Port

Stephen Davis
 

Thanks for the info. We actually have a bit different setup on SM72 than the SM2000 with regards to the sensors on the bow thruster, but I'll take another look at it just in case. 

Steve
Aloha SM72

On May 5, 2017, at 15:43, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Steve and Liz,
on our SM 299 there are position sensors on the bow thruster. These are positioned so when the thruster is fully down it will go. If these are slightly out of position you can get intermittent refusal to go. We had this and it took some time for me to work out what was wrong. In our case if I raised and relowered the thruster it would usually start. We had only recently bought the boat (8 years ago) so we were still in the discovery stage. Re positioning the sensors solved the issue.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 06 May 2017 at 00:21 "flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

When we left our slip in Sint Maarten a few days ago, when I used the bow thruster to port, it intermittently would not respond. If I continued to toggle the joystick back to center and the to port, it would usually start ion my 4th of 5th attempt. Once the thruster started, it would work normally until I re-centered the joystick. On the next attempt to port, it would sometimes work on the first try, or it could take several attempts again. Bow thrusting to starboard works normally every time.

I suspect the problem is just in the switch below the toggle, as it appears to be original to my 1992 SM. Has anyone else had these same symptoms, and if so, how did you repair it? Also, is there something else I should be looking for that might be causing the problem?

All thoughts and ideas are welcome.

Thanks,

Steve and Liz Davis
Aloha SM72
Bonaire


 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Intermittent Bow Thruster to Port

Stephen Davis
 

Thanks Bill...Hello to all our friends in Martinique as well. 

Steve
Aloha SM72

On May 5, 2017, at 15:00, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Steve,

I can tell you that I have heard of an intermittent thruster problem on a 54 more than once, but not a SN or SM. 

The relay solenoids are too good to be the most likely. Unless it is a loose connection somewhere, I agree with everyone else on the joy stick. Next would be the huge relay solenoids, then last the motor. 

Good luck. Martinique says hello to ALOHA. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School 
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On May 5, 2017 08:48, "Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Alex,

I agree. That seems to be the most likely cause, but was curious if anyone else has experience this, and what the fix was. Wish I had been smart enough to buy a new joystick switch as a spare like you did. 

Steve
Aloha SM72

On May 5, 2017, at 08:30, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Good morning Steve,

Feels to me it is the joystick.
May be the rubber protection was cracked then some water sip in.
May be removing it then cleaning and adding corrosion X will help…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Island Water World Marina, Sint Maarten, NA

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 5/5/17, flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Intermittent Bow Thruster to Port
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 5, 2017, 7:21 AM


 









When we left our slip in Sint Maarten a few days
ago, when I used the bow thruster to port, it intermittently
would not respond. If I continued to toggle the joystick
back to center and the to port, it would usually start ion
my 4th of 5th attempt. Once the thruster started, it would
work normally until I re-centered the joystick. On the next
attempt to port, it would sometimes work on the first try,
or it could take several attempts again. Bow thrusting to
starboard works normally every time.



I suspect the problem is just in the switch below the
toggle, as it appears to be original to my 1992 SM. Has
anyone else had these same symptoms, and if so, how did you
repair it? Also, is there something else I should be
looking for that might be causing the problem?



All thoughts and ideas are welcome.



Thanks,



Steve and Liz Davis

Aloha SM72

Bonaire



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Intermittent Bow Thruster to Port

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Steve and Liz,
on our SM 299 there are position sensors on the bow thruster. These are positioned so when the thruster is fully down it will go. If these are slightly out of position you can get intermittent refusal to go. We had this and it took some time for me to work out what was wrong. In our case if I raised and relowered the thruster it would usually start. We had only recently bought the boat (8 years ago) so we were still in the discovery stage. Re positioning the sensors solved the issue.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 06 May 2017 at 00:21 "flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

When we left our slip in Sint Maarten a few days ago, when I used the bow thruster to port, it intermittently would not respond. If I continued to toggle the joystick back to center and the to port, it would usually start ion my 4th of 5th attempt. Once the thruster started, it would work normally until I re-centered the joystick. On the next attempt to port, it would sometimes work on the first try, or it could take several attempts again. Bow thrusting to starboard works normally every time.

I suspect the problem is just in the switch below the toggle, as it appears to be original to my 1992 SM. Has anyone else had these same symptoms, and if so, how did you repair it? Also, is there something else I should be looking for that might be causing the problem?

All thoughts and ideas are welcome.

Thanks,

Steve and Liz Davis
Aloha SM72
Bonaire


 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Intermittent Bow Thruster to Port

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Steve,

I can tell you that I have heard of an intermittent thruster problem on a 54 more than once, but not a SN or SM. 

The relay solenoids are too good to be the most likely. Unless it is a loose connection somewhere, I agree with everyone else on the joy stick. Next would be the huge relay solenoids, then last the motor. 

Good luck. Martinique says hello to ALOHA. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School 
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On May 5, 2017 08:48, "Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Alex,

I agree. That seems to be the most likely cause, but was curious if anyone else has experience this, and what the fix was. Wish I had been smart enough to buy a new joystick switch as a spare like you did. 

Steve
Aloha SM72

On May 5, 2017, at 08:30, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Good morning Steve,

Feels to me it is the joystick.
May be the rubber protection was cracked then some water sip in.
May be removing it then cleaning and adding corrosion X will help…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Island Water World Marina, Sint Maarten, NA

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 5/5/17, flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Intermittent Bow Thruster to Port
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 5, 2017, 7:21 AM


 









When we left our slip in Sint Maarten a few days
ago, when I used the bow thruster to port, it intermittently
would not respond. If I continued to toggle the joystick
back to center and the to port, it would usually start ion
my 4th of 5th attempt. Once the thruster started, it would
work normally until I re-centered the joystick. On the next
attempt to port, it would sometimes work on the first try,
or it could take several attempts again. Bow thrusting to
starboard works normally every time.



I suspect the problem is just in the switch below the
toggle, as it appears to be original to my 1992 SM. Has
anyone else had these same symptoms, and if so, how did you
repair it? Also, is there something else I should be
looking for that might be causing the problem?



All thoughts and ideas are welcome.



Thanks,



Steve and Liz Davis

Aloha SM72

Bonaire



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Santorin, the mastery of water under the floors of the saloon

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

Attilio,

The foot pump under the sink in my Santorin is for seawater. We wash dishes  in seawater and rinse with fresh. Suggest you taste it.

Cheers,

Ric Gottschalk

Bali Hai SN24

Annapolis

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 2:13 PM
To: Craig Briggs
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Santorin, the mastery of water under the floors of the saloon

 

 

We always found water under the floor of the saloon below the ladder and under the sink, and today I discovered the mistery.
When I fill the main tank up to 800 liters, the overflow is at left side of the sink, but below the sink there is a secondary hose coupled with a pedal pump useful in case of failure of the electrical pumps located in the engine room. That hose has a level about 60cm below the tank inlet, even if hanging just below the sink, so the real overflow is that, before than the one at the sink, and the overflow floods the upper bilge, I.e. The area below the floors of the saloon.
Solution: sugar plug on the emergency hose.
Hope this helps in case of my same problem
Attilio
AMEL Santorin #84 Sisila now at Olympic Marina Greece

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

Eric Freedman
 

Where are you located in St Marten?

Drop by in any event , I would like to meet you.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:24 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

Excellent detail.  Thanks Eric.  Sounds like you too have been down the Yanmar electrical trail.   Hopefully i can get this fixed soon,  but if not,  I may knock on your door when you return.  

 

Ben

Ben and Gayle 

S/V La Bella Vita

SM #347


On May 4, 2017, at 11:03 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

As you face the engine there is a large relay made by valeo to the left of the alternator.

Both the start and stop solenoids get their battery ground from this solenoid when it is closed.

On one side of the valeo there is a  large stud on the solenoid and should have a Very heavy black cable which connects directly to the starter battery. You can check the battery connection between this cable and the red battery cable on the starter motor with a voltmeter.

 

The other large stud should have a heavy gauge black wire that along its length around the back of the engine  and has all the negative connections for everything on the engine ( numerous soldered connections and gooey electrical tape). It ends at the negative pole on the Yanmar small alternator.

 

Try depressing the black button down on the valeo and while holding the button down have someone else  try starting the engine and stopping the engine.

I think that will solve the problem. Just make sure the valeo solenoid engages when you try to start or stop. If it does and the engine still does not start / stop  then the solenoid should be taken apart and have the contacts cleaned. If the solenoid does not try to engage- you will feel this through the body of the solenoid. You then have a break in the wiring to the solenoid. If you feel it try to engage with the start button and not with the start key then it is the start key and a bad solenoid and vice versa.

 

Further electrical info. From the valeo solenoid under heat shrink tubing there are diodes to prevent the engine starting and stopping at the same time.

You could have a bad diode—I doubt that.

 

To the left of the valeo solenoid is another black Yanmar solenoid that is wired to the valeo and then runs to the solenoid on the starter motor. This solenoid is powered by the panel start switch (red wire)  and the negative is connected to the Valeo solenoid via the smaller black wire.. The stop solenoid in the fuel injector pump is connected to the stop button on the panel and is also connected to the valeo solenoid thus the need for the diodes.

 

I know this is complicated but the fellow who originally wired the engine is being released from the Psychiatric hospital in 2 months.

However if you can’t wait for him,

I can help you if you will be in SXM late afternoon on the 14 of this month and I will be on board for a week.

Simpson Bay Marina slip C14.

 

I am in NY and the boat is in SXM. However this wiring is burned in my brain.

 

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 4:39 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar Start-Stop issue

 

 

I have  starting and stopping issue with my yanmar 4-JH3-TE.  It begin with stop button failure then progressed to intermittant starter failure and now total failure of starter to engage.  Because of timing I feel they are related.

After Initially troubleshooting the connections and cleaning them I checked out the stop button with multi meter and I determined it was good but ignition switch was sending only 6 volts to button.  I assume stop solenoid needs at least 10 volts to work?  There is 12 volts coming into ignition switch.

In any event , I moved on to more pressing start issue. 
By clicking key on and off I was get it to spin.  Now all I get is clicking at the small green relay attached on starboard side of motor.  ( I seem to have three solenoid or relays/. One on the starter, one attached to motor and another relay or solenoid attached to motor which gives me the click.  
After bad connection my first thought was faulty relay or solenoid now thinking maybe ignition switch corroded and not providing  voltage to starter solenoid or stop switch. 

I would appreciate amy and all suggestions 

Thanks 
Ben

Ben and Gayle
La Bella Vita
SM2K 347
Currently St. Martin 


Santorin, the mastery of water under the floors of the saloon

Attilio Siviero <attilio.siviero@...>
 

We always found water under the floor of the saloon below the ladder and under the sink, and today I discovered the mistery.
When I fill the main tank up to 800 liters, the overflow is at left side of the sink, but below the sink there is a secondary hose coupled with a pedal pump useful in case of failure of the electrical pumps located in the engine room. That hose has a level about 60cm below the tank inlet, even if hanging just below the sink, so the real overflow is that, before than the one at the sink, and the overflow floods the upper bilge, I.e. The area below the floors of the saloon.
Solution: sugar plug on the emergency hose.
Hope this helps in case of my same problem
Attilio
AMEL Santorin #84 Sisila now at Olympic Marina Greece

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Intermittent Bow Thruster to Port

Stephen Davis
 

Thanks Joel. While our boat has been actively used for the last 3 years, we don't use the bow thruster much, as we are rarely in marinas, and I do exercise it monthly. With that said, not that you could tell by looking at Aloha, we certainly qualify as an older boat. Will try the toggle first, and move to the motor if that does not do the trick. We should be in Bonaire for most of the month, and I have plenty of time to sort it out. 

On another subject, we installed a slightly used Watt and Sea hydro generator while we were in Sint Maarten. On our 68 hour trip to Bonaire we never ran the generator, and arrived with almost full batteries. It seems with the combined input from our 420 watts of solar and the watt and sea, we are energy independent while passage making. For a frame of reference, we were running 2 chart plotters, radar at night, autopilot, a refrigerator and 1 freezer. I'm going to call this project a success. 

Aloha,
Steve and Liz
Aloha SM 72


On May 5, 2017, at 10:35, Joel Potter jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Make the forecabin dark. Have someone operate the thruster. See if you can notice sparks inside the thruster coming from the commutator. If the smell of electrical ozone is also present with more than minimal sparking, then a lathe "clean up" will solve the problem. I see this a lot on older boats for sale that don't get used quite as much as they should be or infrequently. Probably the switch as suggested but if tetra chloride cleaning of the contacts and a bit of emery cloth don't make it right, check this out. Darker the better...

Good luck, Joel

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On May 5, 2017, at 8:21 AM, flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

When we left our slip in Sint Maarten a few days ago, when I used the bow thruster to port, it intermittently would not respond. If I continued to toggle the joystick back to center and the to port, it would usually start ion my 4th of 5th attempt. Once the thruster started, it would work normally until I re-centered the joystick. On the next attempt to port, it would sometimes work on the first try, or it could take several attempts again. Bow thrusting to starboard works normally every time.

I suspect the problem is just in the switch below the toggle, as it appears to be original to my 1992 SM. Has anyone else had these same symptoms, and if so, how did you repair it? Also, is there something else I should be looking for that might be causing the problem?

All thoughts and ideas are welcome.

Thanks,

Steve and Liz Davis
Aloha SM72
Bonaire


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Intermittent Bow Thruster to Port

amelforme
 

Make the forecabin dark. Have someone operate the thruster. See if you can notice sparks inside the thruster coming from the commutator. If the smell of electrical ozone is also present with more than minimal sparking, then a lathe "clean up" will solve the problem. I see this a lot on older boats for sale that don't get used quite as much as they should be or infrequently. Probably the switch as suggested but if tetra chloride cleaning of the contacts and a bit of emery cloth don't make it right, check this out. Darker the better...

Good luck, Joel

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On May 5, 2017, at 8:21 AM, flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

When we left our slip in Sint Maarten a few days ago, when I used the bow thruster to port, it intermittently would not respond. If I continued to toggle the joystick back to center and the to port, it would usually start ion my 4th of 5th attempt. Once the thruster started, it would work normally until I re-centered the joystick. On the next attempt to port, it would sometimes work on the first try, or it could take several attempts again. Bow thrusting to starboard works normally every time.

I suspect the problem is just in the switch below the toggle, as it appears to be original to my 1992 SM. Has anyone else had these same symptoms, and if so, how did you repair it? Also, is there something else I should be looking for that might be causing the problem?

All thoughts and ideas are welcome.

Thanks,

Steve and Liz Davis
Aloha SM72
Bonaire


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Intermittent Bow Thruster to Port

Stephen Davis
 

Great advice...thanks. 

Steve 
Aloha SM72

On May 5, 2017, at 09:58, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Steve,

The joystick is easily taken apart and you can clean up the contact points, which are surely the cause of your problem. I've done mine a couple of times over the years - just be gentle with prying it open so you don't break the plastic housing. There are a few springs and stuff that may pop out, so go slowly. When you can't figure out how it goes back together, remove your anchor joystick and study that - they are the same. 
Good luck with it,
Craig SN68 Sangaris 


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hi Alex,

I agree. That seems to be the most likely cause, but was curious if anyone else has experience this, and what the fix was. Wish I had been smart enough to buy a new joystick switch as a spare like you did. 

Steve
Aloha SM72

On May 5, 2017, at 08:30, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good morning Steve,

Feels to me it is the joystick.
May be the rubber protection was cracked then some water sip in.
May be removing it then cleaning and adding corrosion X will help…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Island Water World Marina, Sint Maarten, NA

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On Fri, 5/5/17, flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Intermittent Bow Thruster to Port
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, May 5, 2017, 7:21 AM


 









When we left our slip in Sint Maarten a few days
ago, when I used the bow thruster to port, it intermittently
would not respond. If I continued to toggle the joystick
back to center and the to port, it would usually start ion
my 4th of 5th attempt. Once the thruster started, it would
work normally until I re-centered the joystick. On the next
attempt to port, it would sometimes work on the first try,
or it could take several attempts again. Bow thrusting to
starboard works normally every time.



I suspect the problem is just in the switch below the
toggle, as it appears to be original to my 1992 SM. Has
anyone else had these same symptoms, and if so, how did you
repair it? Also, is there something else I should be
looking for that might be causing the problem?



All thoughts and ideas are welcome.



Thanks,



Steve and Liz Davis

Aloha SM72

Bonaire