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Duo 60 Watermaker

Duane Siegfri
 

Hi all,


I have the Duo 60 watermaer and I'm getting 480ppm from the kitchen faucet.  That is just within the EPA limit of 500ppm.  It has always been high, starting at about 380ppm when I commissioned the new membranes.  I wash the prefilter every two weeks, or more often in turbid water.


I've read that many people are experiencing half that number. The membranes were new in 11/2016, and we cleaned two of the three compartents in the water tank (we decided to leave the one under the freezer for another time).


Anyone have an idea why I might be getting such high numbers? 


Duane

Wanderer, SM#477




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

Courtney Gorman
 

Hi Colin,
Thank you so much for the information I really appreciate your insight.
Sincerely
Courtney




-----Original Message-----
From: Sailing Island Pearl colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, May 12, 2017 11:49 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 
Hi Courtney

This will depend greatly on the area you are cruising in, for example our 2001 Super Maramu 2000 cost us $3000 pa in Australian waters with Panteanius and almost $7000pa with the same company for Asia and Indian Ocean. We just moved to Velos which was about $6000 pa for Asia west and Indian Ocean (based on boat value of $395,000).

Having gone through all the comparisons recently each company varies hugely and you have to read absolutely every line in the fine print, for example Panteanius pays absolutely nothing if your boat is taken by pirates and their excess (or deductables) were 5x the amount of Velos, however they were far superior in covering personal accidents, covered us 100% for single handed sailing and had a number of other benefits plus were a pleasure to deal with.

Good luck with it but take care, there are huge differences and you need to firstly decide what is most appropriate for your needs and sailing plans.

Colin Streeter, SV Island Pearl II
Amel 53 # 332. Brisbane Australia




On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 12:24 AM, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Hi all,
I am in the process of getting insurance for an Amel 54 and was wondering what owners were paying for this coverage for a 54.  I read the older posts about pros and cons of different policies and coverages but was looking for a ball park figure.
Thank you for your replies
Courtney Gorman
future s/v Trippin'






--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Courtney

This will depend greatly on the area you are cruising in, for example our 2001 Super Maramu 2000 cost us $3000 pa in Australian waters with Panteanius and almost $7000pa with the same company for Asia and Indian Ocean. We just moved to Velos which was about $6000 pa for Asia west and Indian Ocean (based on boat value of $395,000).

Having gone through all the comparisons recently each company varies hugely and you have to read absolutely every line in the fine print, for example Panteanius pays absolutely nothing if your boat is taken by pirates and their excess (or deductables) were 5x the amount of Velos, however they were far superior in covering personal accidents, covered us 100% for single handed sailing and had a number of other benefits plus were a pleasure to deal with.

Good luck with it but take care, there are huge differences and you need to firstly decide what is most appropriate for your needs and sailing plans.

Colin Streeter, SV Island Pearl II
Amel 53 # 332. Brisbane Australia




On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 12:24 AM, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,

I am in the process of getting insurance for an Amel 54 and was wondering what owners were paying for this coverage for a 54.  I read the older posts about pros and cons of different policies and coverages but was looking for a ball park figure.
Thank you for your replies
Courtney Gorman
future s/v Trippin'






--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Bottom Paint Question

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Hi All,
Perspective buyer here. Looked at a boat on the hard and fresh water is her home (6 months in 6 months out). Will move to salt water in the near future. I know I need to paint but I also know there is saltwater/freshwater specific paints. Tried to query the conversations tab here for an answer (a little quirky to get around). Has anyone been in this situation? I would like to avoid two bottom jobs in two years if possible. Take a look at the pics. I value your opinions.

Thx
Chuck



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rub Rail on the SM

Duane Siegfri
 

Mike,

The extrusion had a tab on the back, instead of a flat back to fit against the recess in the rub rail.  How did you deal with that?

This is what I'm looking for, thanks for the help.
Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haulout - Storage Checklists

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

Dont plug the cockpit drains or bilge drain. Actually had friend sink his engine on the hard. i preferred the cover that goes down to the top rail. Think umbrella. 
Balihai
Sn24 

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

On May 12, 2017, at 3:43 AM, parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Dan
I would second everything that Kent said. I forgot to mention plugging every hole with plastic or cloth, including the holes in the hull. Peakes will also tell you to buy a tub of cheap grease and liberally smear a ring round every part of the cradle and chain leading to the boat - to stop ants and other nasties crawling up and finding a new home!
We had a new Genoa made at Ullmans and he checked the other sails too. If you were having yours cleaned or any stitching re-done you can take your sails off while you're afloat in the marina and leave them there for the off season. It's only a 300m motor across to Peakes.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haulout - Storage Checklists

Ian Park
 

Dan
I would second everything that Kent said. I forgot to mention plugging every hole with plastic or cloth, including the holes in the hull. Peakes will also tell you to buy a tub of cheap grease and liberally smear a ring round every part of the cradle and chain leading to the boat - to stop ants and other nasties crawling up and finding a new home!
We had a new Genoa made at Ullmans and he checked the other sails too. If you were having yours cleaned or any stitching re-done you can take your sails off while you're afloat in the marina and leave them there for the off season. It's only a 300m motor across to Peakes.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haulout - Storage Checklists

Ian Park
 

Dan
We were hauled out at Peakes two years ago fir the hurricane season. There was advice aplenty about plastic wrapping, aircon, and applying wax to the hull and leaving it unpolished. There were advocates for and against each of these. When I asked for advice from Peakes engineering they gave no definitive answer. They cited boats that did all these precautions and had mildew and also a boat just looked and left for 3 years, that was pristine when opened up again.
Our decision. A/C was expensive to install and to pay the extra charge they make for the electricity . Our hull was 20 years old and beautiful- despite a life in the Med and various visits to the Caribbean. The boat is very well insulated, and we couldn't understand the plastic covering which would make it like a greenhouse . We decided to do non of these. We employed a local lad (recommended by Peakes - they are badged in order to work their) to go on board once a month and open all hatches for an hour, to wash the boat down, to change the dehumidifying crystals in the two containers inside the boat, and to send us an email report. The boat was perfect when we got back and we paid the same lad to polish the boat before launching.
If you use your dehumidifier I think you will be just fine, just check the charge for power. I would recommend the use of one of the yard lads to open up once a week and check things over - it is great peace of mind. I would be concerned about a dehumidifier on for 5 months with the boat shut up - I don't know how that would affect the woodwork. Others may be able to quote experience here.
I'm sure others will have different views, that was just my experience at Peakes.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haulout - Storage Checklists

karkauai
 

Hi Dan.  I left my boat there one Summer and used a hatch AC from Dynamite who also came aboard once or twice a week to make sure the AC was running and flush the watermaker membranes.  I didn't have the boat covered and left the sails furled in the masts, but took the Genoa down and stowed it in the saloon.  Kristy was filthy with dust, but others whose boats were enclosed in plastic had mildew and bird crap all over their boats. If I were to do it again, I would not enclose in plastic. The main and mizzen sheets and outhauls were filthy and took two whole days to clean, I would recommend removing them and stowing below.  Also, stuff rags in every hole you can find to keep birds and wasps from building nests.

Hope that helps some.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haulout - Storage Checklists

Dan Carlson
 

The question is simple Hanspeter,  Bill and Judy lived aboard BeBe full time for 12 years. The two seasons that they were in Trinidad they were in the water and were on the boat the majority of the time.  I am looking for perspectives and checklists from Amel owners that regularly haul their boats for hurricane season. That is not an experience that Bill and Judy regularly lived.  

Thank you for tip on your use of an air conditioner.  I do have a dehumidifier and do plan to use that. And I also plan to use Peakes secure storage area.

Any perspectices from other owners would also be appreciated. 

Thanks and regards, Dan Carlson 




On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 5:21 PM, 'Hanspeter.baettig' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

Hi Dan Carlson
I and other Amel owners do not understand your question. You are the new owner of BeBe ,earlier boat from Bill the Admiral?
My two cent words. Ask him. He knows ewerything about your boat and he knows Trinidad as well as I remember.
Kr
Hanspeter
Tamango 2, SM 16
PS:
During summer time it will be humide and wet. When i was there for 3 month during huricane saison, I put on the outside of the hutch in the saloon a aircoold ac, which was checked 3 times per week by a local person. Also my boat was coverd with a with plasitic cover, seald by heat, and the boat was by Peak in a special saved yard. Saved by Rottwiler dog's in the night.
Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 11.05.2017 um 17:47 schrieb 'dancarlson367@...' dancarlson367@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi all,   We will be hauling our SM out at the end of the month for 5 months of storage in Trinidad.  


We would love to see checklists and hear tips from others who have a good annual routine. 

Some key questions for me are:
- temp and humidity control 
- UV protection 
- pest control
- dinghy storage
- storage of sails and other canvas items

Thanks for any experiences you can share.

Best regards, Dan Carlson 
sv BeBe, SM 387





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haulout - Storage Checklists

hanspeter baettig
 

Hi Dan Carlson
I and other Amel owners do not understand your question. You are the new owner of BeBe ,earlier boat from Bill the Admiral?
My two cent words. Ask him. He knows ewerything about your boat and he knows Trinidad as well as I remember.
Kr
Hanspeter
Tamango 2, SM 16
PS:
During summer time it will be humide and wet. When i was there for 3 month during huricane saison, I put on the outside of the hutch in the saloon a aircoold ac, which was checked 3 times per week by a local person. Also my boat was coverd with a with plasitic cover, seald by heat, and the boat was by Peak in a special saved yard. Saved by Rottwiler dog's in the night.
Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 11.05.2017 um 17:47 schrieb 'dancarlson367@...' dancarlson367@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi all,   We will be hauling our SM out at the end of the month for 5 months of storage in Trinidad.  


We would love to see checklists and hear tips from others who have a good annual routine. 

Some key questions for me are:
- temp and humidity control 
- UV protection 
- pest control
- dinghy storage
- storage of sails and other canvas items

Thanks for any experiences you can share.

Best regards, Dan Carlson 
sv BeBe, SM 387





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rub Rail on the SM

Mike Ondra
 

2 photos were attached. I needed to scroll down to see them.

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 12:16 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rub Rail on the SM

 

 

Hello Mike,

 

Could you provide some photos of the installed rub rails at your SM?

 

Thanks so much

Olaf

 

Mia-Amara SN#135 Martinique

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: 10 May 2017 19:49
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rub Rail on the SM [2 Attachments]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Mike Ondra included below]

We had great success with installing the Taco Marine V11-0809 Flexible Rub Rail. Comes in 50’ length for $185. Fits in the groove in the fiberglass rubrail. Pictures attached (if this works).

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240 Rock Hall, MD

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 7:36 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rub Rail on the SM

 

 

I'm thinking about putting a metal or rubber extrusion on the center part of the rub rail to keep the red part off of dock pilings.

 

Has anyone looked at this and what product did you use?

 

It seems like even with a perfect docking maneuver the marina crew insists on dragging us tight to the piling before we can position a fender.  I have fenderboards that take two or three fenders but they are tough to pre-position.  I'm thinking of rigging the fenderboards so there is a board keyed on top of the liferail so you only have to move the one thing (instead of two lines for the fenderboard and three fenders).

 

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Haulout - Storage Checklists

Dan Carlson
 

Hi all,   We will be hauling our SM out at the end of the month for 5 months of storage in Trinidad.  

We would love to see checklists and hear tips from others who have a good annual routine. 

Some key questions for me are:
- temp and humidity control 
- UV protection 
- pest control
- dinghy storage
- storage of sails and other canvas items

Thanks for any experiences you can share.

Best regards, Dan Carlson 
sv BeBe, SM 387





Re: shipping across U.S. by truck, east to west

Craig Briggs
 

Great advice from Bill Kinney, to which I’d add that your yacht insurance likely excludes transporting the vessel, so you need a separate policy. Transport policies typically treat your yacht as “cargo” and fully depreciate for any damage, unlike a yacht policy that provides new-for-old. I don’t know if full coverage is available, but it would be worth finding out.

Craig Briggs, SN68 Sangaris, Ft Pierce


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rub Rail on the SM [2 Attachments]

Olaf RENOS at Yahoo <olaf_renos@...>
 

Hello Mike,

 

Could you provide some photos of the installed rub rails at your SM?

 

Thanks so much

Olaf

 

Mia-Amara SN#135 Martinique

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: 10 May 2017 19:49
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rub Rail on the SM [2 Attachments]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Mike Ondra included below]

We had great success with installing the Taco Marine V11-0809 Flexible Rub Rail. Comes in 50’ length for $185. Fits in the groove in the fiberglass rubrail. Pictures attached (if this works).

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240 Rock Hall, MD

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 7:36 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rub Rail on the SM

 

 

I'm thinking about putting a metal or rubber extrusion on the center part of the rub rail to keep the red part off of dock pilings.

 

Has anyone looked at this and what product did you use?

 

It seems like even with a perfect docking maneuver the marina crew insists on dragging us tight to the piling before we can position a fender.  I have fenderboards that take two or three fenders but they are tough to pre-position.  I'm thinking of rigging the fenderboards so there is a board keyed on top of the liferail so you only have to move the one thing (instead of two lines for the fenderboard and three fenders).

 

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rub Rail on the SM

Mike Ondra
 

We had great success with installing the Taco Marine V11-0809 Flexible Rub Rail. Comes in 50’ length for $185. Fits in the groove in the fiberglass rubrail. Pictures attached (if this works).

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240 Rock Hall, MD

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 7:36 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rub Rail on the SM

 

 

I'm thinking about putting a metal or rubber extrusion on the center part of the rub rail to keep the red part off of dock pilings.

 

Has anyone looked at this and what product did you use?

 

It seems like even with a perfect docking maneuver the marina crew insists on dragging us tight to the piling before we can position a fender.  I have fenderboards that take two or three fenders but they are tough to pre-position.  I'm thinking of rigging the fenderboards so there is a board keyed on top of the liferail so you only have to move the one thing (instead of two lines for the fenderboard and three fenders).

 

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Re: shipping across U.S. by truck, east to west

greatketch@...
 

Some other generic advice on large boat trailering  from previous experience:

The KEY dimension is usually not the width or the length, but the height from keel to top of hull.  Anything over 12 feet becomes very problematic because of bridge clearance.

Be sure that the trucker agrees HE is responsible for ALL damage on arrival.  Don't leave room for him to try to wiggle out and blame the boat yard that did the prep. Once he signs for it and takes possession, it's his.   It can be a good idea to find a trucker who has worked with the prepping boatyard in the past had has a good working relationship with them. Inspect the truck BEFORE loading.  If there are missing or damaged fenders and//or mudflats, do not put your boat on that truck, road gravel can really do a number on your hull in 2000 miles..

The assembling boatyard can really be your best friend.  If they are good, with highly experienced staff, they will notice damage that might otherwise be missed.  Be sure you are there with a camera for unloading. In my experience, the mast and rigging is the most likely to suffer damage.  If there are any parts that haven't been unwrapped and inspected when the trucker is ready to leave, make sure those parts are NOT signed off as "accepted in good condition".

Make sure you understand the trucker's insurance, their deductible, and policy for handling small claims.  If they have a $5000 deductible, how will they handle a $6000 claim?  They will probably not want to file an insurance claim to recover $1000, but they still need to pay YOU.

Be sure that the quote up front includes ALL the expenses.  Over-size load permits, chase cars, trucker overtime, fuel surcharges, etc, etc.  The incidentals can make a very long list that can add up to a bit peice of the final bill.  The rules vary from state to state, and some of them conflict in almost funny ways.  In one state the oversized load could only move on the roads during daylight.  In the NEXT state, only at night.  Really?

Make sure the boat is sealed as close to air tight as you can get.  You do NOT want diesel soot from the truck getting inside!  You'll have enough fun cleaning soot and road grime off the outside.

Give the trucker a camera.  Pictures of your boat in the high desert, and mountain passes will be fun to have.

I had one trucking company come in with a low, but reasonable, bid. They came highly recommended.  In the weeks before the trip, they started to add extra fees, one after another, after another, until they were the HIGHEST bid.  What happened?  They had bid assuming they had a return load.  They lost that job, and with out a return paying trip, they no longer wanted the job, but didn't want to say so.  They just kept upping the cost until I told them to get lost.

And one last thing...  on a cross continent trip, remember the weather in the mountain passes!  Outside of high summer, you might need to prep the boat for freezing temperatures!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Nanny Cay, Tortola, BVI


Re: shipping across U.S. by truck, east to west

sbmesasailor
 

Hi Curt,

We trucked Libertad (Maramu #121) from New Orleans to San Diego.  I'm pretty sure the boat was loaded correctly relative to keeping the load on the keel -all the hatches close tight and we don't creak -much.  Yes, we did have to remove the dodger -they merely reversed it into the cockpit and secured it.  Our problem was that I had to leave the boatyard before the final preparations were completed.  I left a full roll of bubble wrap to be used on the masts but apparently they didn't think it was necessary.  When the boat arrived in SD, the sail track on the mizzen mast was crushed.  It wasn't discovered until the trucker was paid and gone -my bad.

My recommendation is to be there during the entire loading and unloading process and make them do it the way you want it done.  Take the time to inspect the parts of the boat that may have been in contact with the trailer.  Don't pay the trucker until you are satisfied all is well.

Dennis Johns
Currently in Grand Cayman


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] shipping across U.S. by truck, east to west

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Curt,
An advantage of this forum is you'll get the whole spectrum of experiences. I shipped a prior sailboat of mine from Michigan to New York. As an experiment I put a Styrofoam cup filled with water on the galley counter - it arrived with not a drop spilled.
You can disconnect the wires of the furling motors either below at the relays or at the motors (where you will likely have to cut a soldered joint, which you can easily redo or use clamp connectors). - if you disconnect at the motors it is a good time to inspect/replace the brushes and clean the commutators. It's not expensive to give it to a motor shop and they'll clean everything (which, I know, sounds unlike my usual DIY mentality, but sometimes it's worth a compromise ;-).
Good luck,
Craig Briggs, SN#68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <mcerdos@...> wrote :

Curt,

 

Oops, I was so passionate about not trucking a boat, I forgot to answer the question. The sail motor wires will only disconnect from the solenoids in the forward head and need to be pulled up. Same is true for the furling on the headsail (accessed in a junction box inside the forward port deck locker). All other mast connections can be accessed in the panels at the base of each mast.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising – Puerto Rico

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 1:44 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] shipping across U.S. by truck, east to west

 

 

We are planning to truck our Maramu to Washington State. 

Has anyone had experience decommissioning an Amel for truck hauling?

Particularly, what is the best method to un-wire the mainsail furlling motor and outhaul motor and remove the wires?

Is it best to disconnect the wires from the solenoids in the forward head and pull them up and out of the boat and mast, or is it best to disconnect the wires from the motors and pull them down and out of the mast?

Any other decommissioning suggestions and tips would be appreciated.

Curt Epperson
Languedoc
1987 Maramu, #217

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Creaking floor plate

Dean Gillies
 

Gentlemen,

Thanks for the input. Much appreciated.

 

Bill K,

I agree it is very interesting that such a minor creak in an Amel causes such consternation.  We also looked at Discovery and Oyster yachts in the 55 foot range which exhibited plenty of creaking floor plates. It was just considered normal. I guess that’s why we’re shopping for an Amel.

 

Bill R,

Joel has already provided us with assistance on other queries, but we are buying in Europe so it’s not really his territory. Unless of course it’s an American yacht selling in Europe, and we have not seen any of those for sale.

 

Cheers,

Dean

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, 8 May 2017 6:11 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Creaking floor plate

 

 

Dean,

 

You are correct. The wood flooring extends from the solon down the passageway to the aft berth. Some of us, me included, were thinking about the Super Maramu with carpet in the passageway.

 

I do not know how that faux teak is applied in the passage way and if there is no obvious application, I would bet that it is attached with adhesive. 

 

If you consider this boat, I would certainly have the surveyor look closely in this area to determine why you have squeaking. One possibility, and if I am correct about the adhesive, maybe this area of the boat became wet. I would have the surveyor look closely there to eliminate that theoretical possibility. And, of course, more 54 owners may respond with better information. I have sailed a 54, but have not been aboard for long periods.

 

I hope this helps you and good luck on your search. Have you worked with Joel Potter in your search? He knows more about Amels that anyone in the Americas, and has sold more Amels than anyone. He usually has a few of the best pre-owned Amels available for resale.

 

Best,

 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School 
www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

 

 

 

 

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:26 AM, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Gents,

There is no carpet in the passageway, it is a single board of teak/holly laminate flooring.

 

The creaking happens when walking on the floor board. The board is slightly warped and moves (almost invisibly) as you walk on it, rubbing against the wall panel on the side of the battery compartment. 

 

Cheers

Dean

 

ps this is the third time I've tried to "reply" using the group web interface. My replies just seem to disappear into the ether. 

 

 

 

 

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