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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haulout - Storage Checklists

Craig Briggs
 

Marina Seco in Mexico suggests plugging all holes in the hull with stainless steel wool. It let's any water drip out and keeps the bugs out.
Craig, SN68 Sangaris
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Copper coat

eric freedman
 

I believe Ian Jenkins on Pen Azen had his Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 done with coppercoat a few years ago. You might address the question to him in the subject line.

Fair Winds

Eric

sm

 

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Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Copper coat

 

 

Hi guys,  how many coats and what is copper content?    I have spent almost $1000 on a Catalina 27 for multiple coats and all work done by the yard in SC

 

On May 12, 2017 6:36 PM, "osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We have decided to apply Copper Coat on our Amel SM,. We are on our way to Chesapeake Bay, and have got one cost estimate from a yard there. The estimate is 12000 USD. Rather expansive, have anyone of you out here applied Copper coat? Is our indicated price resonable?
Any one have any suggestion of a good place to have it applied in The Chesapeak Bay area
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Copper coat

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Paul,

Please heed James remarks… without saying it, he is saying that a yard is taking advantage of you….  As I said in a private email to you.

Good luck.

Jean-Pierre


On 12 May 2017, at 19:07, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Paul,


   We recently Copper Coated a Hardin 45 for a customer.  The material cost was about $1,700 + rollers, pans, gloves etc.  All of the work is in the preparation and depends on whether you are also applying a barrier coating etc..  In our case, my wife and I applied the 4 coats (the minimum) to one side of the boat one day and 4 coats on the other side the following day.  There is a learning curve to applying the product.  There is a bit of detail work getting under all of the blocking and stands depending again on how much prep work is required.  Once coated, the product is subject to damage from moisture, even from just dew for 2 days so you need to provide a drip line at the waterline and also carefully select the weather.    As to the effectiveness of the product, I do not have any personal experience yet.  I can tell you that the Micron paints can be applied over the Copper Coat and the adhesion is reported to be good.  A number of the people that applied the Copper Coat here locally in Florida did end up painting over the Copper Coat since they did have growth problems.  My impression is that the Copper Coat will require regular cleaning in the Tropics, though unlike paint it does not scrub off.  I am considering Copper Coating my own boat and then applying 2 coats of Micron at each haul out  so if at any point I am unable to haul and the Micron is no longer effective or has been scrubbed off, I will still have some protection.  The Copper Coat might be more effective in the Chesapeake.  Perhaps consider contacting Copper Coat and asking to see some of the other boats in your area with Copper Coat on them that have been in the water for a while.  Best of luck and if you go ahead with this, please post the results.


Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno, Maramu #220

On May 12, 2017, at 6:36 PM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

We have decided to apply Copper Coat on our Amel SM,. We are on our way to Chesapeake Bay, and have got one cost estimate from a yard there. The estimate is 12000 USD. Rather expansive, have anyone of you out here applied Copper coat? Is our indicated price resonable?
Any one have any suggestion of a good place to have it applied in The Chesapeak Bay area
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Copper coat

James Alton
 

Paul,

   We recently Copper Coated a Hardin 45 for a customer.  The material cost was about $1,700 + rollers, pans, gloves etc.  All of the work is in the preparation and depends on whether you are also applying a barrier coating etc..  In our case, my wife and I applied the 4 coats (the minimum) to one side of the boat one day and 4 coats on the other side the following day.  There is a learning curve to applying the product.  There is a bit of detail work getting under all of the blocking and stands depending again on how much prep work is required.  Once coated, the product is subject to damage from moisture, even from just dew for 2 days so you need to provide a drip line at the waterline and also carefully select the weather.    As to the effectiveness of the product, I do not have any personal experience yet.  I can tell you that the Micron paints can be applied over the Copper Coat and the adhesion is reported to be good.  A number of the people that applied the Copper Coat here locally in Florida did end up painting over the Copper Coat since they did have growth problems.  My impression is that the Copper Coat will require regular cleaning in the Tropics, though unlike paint it does not scrub off.  I am considering Copper Coating my own boat and then applying 2 coats of Micron at each haul out  so if at any point I am unable to haul and the Micron is no longer effective or has been scrubbed off, I will still have some protection.  The Copper Coat might be more effective in the Chesapeake.  Perhaps consider contacting Copper Coat and asking to see some of the other boats in your area with Copper Coat on them that have been in the water for a while.  Best of luck and if you go ahead with this, please post the results.


Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno, Maramu #220

On May 12, 2017, at 6:36 PM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

We have decided to apply Copper Coat on our Amel SM,. We are on our way to Chesapeake Bay, and have got one cost estimate from a yard there. The estimate is 12000 USD. Rather expansive, have anyone of you out here applied Copper coat? Is our indicated price resonable?
Any one have any suggestion of a good place to have it applied in The Chesapeak Bay area
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Copper coat

John Clark
 

Hi guys,  how many coats and what is copper content?    I have spent almost $1000 on a Catalina 27 for multiple coats and all work done by the yard in SC

On May 12, 2017 6:36 PM, "osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We have decided to apply Copper Coat on our Amel SM,. We are on our way to Chesapeake Bay, and have got one cost estimate from a yard there. The estimate is 12000 USD. Rather expansive, have anyone of you out here applied Copper coat? Is our indicated price resonable?
Any one have any suggestion of a good place to have it applied in The Chesapeak Bay area
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haulout - Storage Checklists

hanspeter baettig
 

My last one
way you put your boat to Trinidad if you hear all the problems. Why not take it a littel bit easy. It's no problem you hear around, Trinidad Peak, Power Boat are good places for the huricane saison. Do not believe all the negative stuff you hear. Make your on experience

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 13.05.2017 um 00:25 schrieb herbert@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi Dan,

 

we habe been on the hard in Trinidad at Peakes last summer.  What I think is worth to mention:

 

  • Trindidad ist hot and humid in summer, but not as humid as I feared.  We had no AC or dehumidifier, closed the boat complete, covered some ventilation holes and did not ask anyone to vent it. We did not had any mold (a lot of other boats had!).  
  • We did not leave any food on the boat
  • We put all our cloths in large black plastic bags, but them in the hot sund until they were really hot, sucked the air out and closed them.  All the clothes stayed „fresh“.
  • We gave the sails to the Ullman Sails sail maker for check and storage. Was good.
  • We put enough grease onto the posts to make sure that no ants go on the boat, also on the tie downs. We had no ants, many other boats had.
  • We covered the cockpit with a silver cover (from the peakes shop, the silver is much better than the blue one) for UV protection
  • Put everything away from the boat that shall not get dirty
  • We have a stainless chain that we cleaned with phosporic acid and stored it in trhe chain locker. If it would be a galvanized chain I would leave it outside
  • We put some roach-traps in the boat but had no roaches in, some boats had
  • Filled the diesel  tank full with diesel and put additive in it
  • And did all the standard stuff for winterizing (engine etc.)
  • And: Ask Sue what she recommends to avoid „insects“ enter the boat at the save storage

 

All the best, herbert

 

KALI MERA

SN120

Isla Providencia

 
Copper coat

Paul Osterberg
 

We have decided to apply Copper Coat on our Amel SM,. We are on our way to Chesapeake Bay, and have got one cost estimate from a yard there. The estimate is 12000 USD. Rather expansive, have anyone of you out here applied Copper coat? Is our indicated price resonable?
Any one have any suggestion of a good place to have it applied in The Chesapeak Bay area
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haulout - Storage Checklists

hanspeter baettig
 

Hi Dan
what I said
Bill the Admiral knows everthing ...
Hanspeter
Tamango 2


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 12.05.2017 um 22:01 schrieb 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Dan,

I was hoping that someone would answer that has actually left a boat on the hard in Trinidad. I have not, but if I were, I would do the following:
  1. I would protect the boat from UV. Custom-made plastic shrink-covers are available, but if you plan to do this for a number of seasons, maybe you should check the cost of having a storage cover made. 
  2. Humidity is an issue in Trinidad, and even though your boat is a dry one, I think that I would rent a window-type AC made for the companionway. Peakes will put you in touch with someone who can help you with this. Last year, I saw a SM that had one at the companionway with a piece of plywood cut to fill in the rest of the area and with a padlock hasp attached to lock it all. The AC will take care of removing the humidity. As you know there is a dehumidifier on BeBe. This will not work unattended because if power is lost, it will not automatically restart, someone has to press the start button.
  3. I would buy some pesticide and liberally spray everything that touches the dirt (stands & braces). The deadlier the product, the better. The biggest issue on a SM at Peaks may be ants or even termites...ask Peaks about this.
  4. Store the dinghy (locked) on deck and protect it from UV. The outboard should be stored lying on its side on a well-padded salon table...there might be some gasoline inside the engine, so be prepared and drain it first...check the manual. It should only be laid on only one side...check the manual as I have forgotten which side. An alternate place to store it would be the cockpit lazarette or the port side locker where you can lower it standing up.
  5. I would store all sails & sheets and all bimini pieces inside the boat. There is a special cockpit storage panel made out of the same material as the bimini to use to protect the cockpit controls. It is under the aft berth in a bag of the same material.
  6. Hire Dwayne or someone to check on the boat once a week and send you an email...Peaks may offer this service. It is not uncommon for vessels to become unplugged while on the hard. Have the person check for power and that the AC is working. Have them visually check the interior and battery monitor.
  7. If I were you, I would make sure that the water tank is full and leave the water maker automatic rinsing system ON. The timer is set to rinse for 4 minutes, twice a week.
  8. Trinidad can have some serious rain storms. Be sure the deck drains freely, especially the stbd side around the SSB antenna. In fact, I would probably remove the SSB antenna from the deck and plug the screw holes with RTV until you return, then remount it. The issue is that deck drainage can be severely restricted in this area and if the aft lazarette is not completely secure or sealed, you may get rain water inside the lazarette.
I hope that this helps you.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
instructor@... 
+1(832) 380-4970



On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:47 AM, 'dancarlson367@...' dancarlson367@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi all,   We will be hauling our SM out at the end of the month for 5 months of storage in Trinidad.  


We would love to see checklists and hear tips from others who have a good annual routine. 

Some key questions for me are:
- temp and humidity control 
- UV protection 
- pest control
- dinghy storage
- storage of sails and other canvas items

Thanks for any experiences you can share.

Best regards, Dan Carlson 
sv BeBe, SM 387
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haulout - Storage Checklists

Herbert Lackner
 

Hi Dan,

 

we habe been on the hard in Trinidad at Peakes last summer.  What I think is worth to mention:

 

  • Trindidad ist hot and humid in summer, but not as humid as I feared.  We had no AC or dehumidifier, closed the boat complete, covered some ventilation holes and did not ask anyone to vent it. We did not had any mold (a lot of other boats had!).  
  • We did not leave any food on the boat
  • We put all our cloths in large black plastic bags, but them in the hot sund until they were really hot, sucked the air out and closed them.  All the clothes stayed „fresh“.
  • We gave the sails to the Ullman Sails sail maker for check and storage. Was good.
  • We put enough grease onto the posts to make sure that no ants go on the boat, also on the tie downs. We had no ants, many other boats had.
  • We covered the cockpit with a silver cover (from the peakes shop, the silver is much better than the blue one) for UV protection
  • Put everything away from the boat that shall not get dirty
  • We have a stainless chain that we cleaned with phosporic acid and stored it in trhe chain locker. If it would be a galvanized chain I would leave it outside
  • We put some roach-traps in the boat but had no roaches in, some boats had
  • Filled the diesel  tank full with diesel and put additive in it
  • And did all the standard stuff for winterizing (engine etc.)
  • And: Ask Sue what she recommends to avoid „insects“ enter the boat at the save storage

 

All the best, herbert

 

KALI MERA

SN120

Isla Providencia

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Canopy top & Cockpit protection

Stephen Davis
 

Hello Alex,

I believe the boat you are referring to is ours, as we were in the Island Water World marina for March and April, and not with the boat for part of the time. We had our canvas done by Superb Canvas in Trinidad last June. They have there shop in the Powerboats yard next to Peakes. The owner of the company is Sean, and it's a family operation with his wife, mother and kids working there as well. We completely redesigned all of our cockpit canvas, and I found them easy to work with, and the work was well above average. The price was about the same as anyone else in the area. 

Let me know if You need any other information. 

Best Regards,

Steve and Liz Davis
Aloha SM72
Bonaire

On May 12, 2017, at 15:36, Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Dear AMEL community,
I'm looking for a new canopy top, and cockpit protection. I've seen one in St. Martin on another AMEL that seemed to have two layers for the cockpit, one against Mosquitos and a second one against rain. It looked really nice, but I couldn't ask the owner while I was at the Island World Marina because he left his boat during my stay. However, I heard from another AMEL owner that he had someone in Trinidad doing that job. If you know who I may contact in Trinidad (as I plan to do down to Grenada for the HS anyway), I'd really appreciate the information.
Fair winds,
Alex Ramseyer
SY NO STRESS
AMEL54, #15
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

Courtney Gorman
 

Thanks Bill I appreciate the input have a great weekend
Courtney 



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From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 5/12/17 2:32 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 

Courtney,

I agree with Alen and I believe that Velos may be the best solution available today for Americans sailing across oceans. Write Velos at Insurance"at"velosgroup.co.uk and tell them that you have an Amel 54 which is one model newer than BeBe. They seem to love Amels.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550






On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Colin,

Thank you so much for the information I really appreciate your insight.
Sincerely
Courtney




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To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, May 12, 2017 11:49 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 
Hi Courtney

This will depend greatly on the area you are cruising in, for example our 2001 Super Maramu 2000 cost us $3000 pa in Australian waters with Panteanius and almost $7000pa with the same company for Asia and Indian Ocean. We just moved to Velos which was about $6000 pa for Asia west and Indian Ocean (based on boat value of $395,000).

Having gone through all the comparisons recently each company varies hugely and you have to read absolutely every line in the fine print, for example Panteanius pays absolutely nothing if your boat is taken by pirates and their excess (or deductables) were 5x the amount of Velos, however they were far superior in covering personal accidents, covered us 100% for single handed sailing and had a number of other benefits plus were a pleasure to deal with.

Good luck with it but take care, there are huge differences and you need to firstly decide what is most appropriate for your needs and sailing plans.

Colin Streeter, SV Island Pearl II
Amel 53 # 332. Brisbane Australia




On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 12:24 AM, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Hi all,
I am in the process of getting insurance for an Amel 54 and was wondering what owners were paying for this coverage for a 54.  I read the older posts about pros and cons of different policies and coverages but was looking for a ball park figure.
Thank you for your replies
Courtney Gorman
future s/v Trippin'



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Colin Streeter
0411 016 445
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Canopy top & Cockpit protection

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

I am certain that you will find more than one source in Trinidad.

We used a sailmaker on the island of Carriacou 10 years ago and it is still in good condition. We also had them make shade screens for the front windshields to protect the plexiglas from UV of the sun. Our efforts were to provide shade while at anchor and sailing.

Contact:
Company name: In Stitches: 
Owner: Andy who lives aboard Yacht Yellowbird anchored at Tyrell Bay Carriacou (Island north of Grenada)
Sail loft and canvas workshop that also designs and builds sun protection devices such as dodgers, biminis, and sail covers. 
Telephone: 443-8878, Cell: 406-4117, VHF: 16

I hope this helps.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
instructor@... 
+1(832) 380-4970

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear AMEL community,
I'm looking for a new canopy top, and cockpit protection. I've seen one in St. Martin on another AMEL that seemed to have two layers for the cockpit, one against Mosquitos and a second one against rain. It looked really nice, but I couldn't ask the owner while I was at the Island World Marina because he left his boat during my stay. However, I heard from another AMEL owner that he had someone in Trinidad doing that job. If you know who I may contact in Trinidad (as I plan to do down to Grenada for the HS anyway), I'd really appreciate the information.
Fair winds,
Alex Ramseyer
SY NO STRESS
AMEL54, #15
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haulout - Storage Checklists

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Dan,

I was hoping that someone would answer that has actually left a boat on the hard in Trinidad. I have not, but if I were, I would do the following:
  1. I would protect the boat from UV. Custom-made plastic shrink-covers are available, but if you plan to do this for a number of seasons, maybe you should check the cost of having a storage cover made. 
  2. Humidity is an issue in Trinidad, and even though your boat is a dry one, I think that I would rent a window-type AC made for the companionway. Peakes will put you in touch with someone who can help you with this. Last year, I saw a SM that had one at the companionway with a piece of plywood cut to fill in the rest of the area and with a padlock hasp attached to lock it all. The AC will take care of removing the humidity. As you know there is a dehumidifier on BeBe. This will not work unattended because if power is lost, it will not automatically restart, someone has to press the start button.
  3. I would buy some pesticide and liberally spray everything that touches the dirt (stands & braces). The deadlier the product, the better. The biggest issue on a SM at Peaks may be ants or even termites...ask Peaks about this.
  4. Store the dinghy (locked) on deck and protect it from UV. The outboard should be stored lying on its side on a well-padded salon table...there might be some gasoline inside the engine, so be prepared and drain it first...check the manual. It should only be laid on only one side...check the manual as I have forgotten which side. An alternate place to store it would be the cockpit lazarette or the port side locker where you can lower it standing up.
  5. I would store all sails & sheets and all bimini pieces inside the boat. There is a special cockpit storage panel made out of the same material as the bimini to use to protect the cockpit controls. It is under the aft berth in a bag of the same material.
  6. Hire Dwayne or someone to check on the boat once a week and send you an email...Peaks may offer this service. It is not uncommon for vessels to become unplugged while on the hard. Have the person check for power and that the AC is working. Have them visually check the interior and battery monitor.
  7. If I were you, I would make sure that the water tank is full and leave the water maker automatic rinsing system ON. The timer is set to rinse for 4 minutes, twice a week.
  8. Trinidad can have some serious rain storms. Be sure the deck drains freely, especially the stbd side around the SSB antenna. In fact, I would probably remove the SSB antenna from the deck and plug the screw holes with RTV until you return, then remount it. The issue is that deck drainage can be severely restricted in this area and if the aft lazarette is not completely secure or sealed, you may get rain water inside the lazarette.
I hope that this helps you.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
instructor@... 
+1(832) 380-4970



On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:47 AM, 'dancarlson367@...' dancarlson367@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi all,   We will be hauling our SM out at the end of the month for 5 months of storage in Trinidad.  


We would love to see checklists and hear tips from others who have a good annual routine. 

Some key questions for me are:
- temp and humidity control 
- UV protection 
- pest control
- dinghy storage
- storage of sails and other canvas items

Thanks for any experiences you can share.

Best regards, Dan Carlson 
sv BeBe, SM 387
Canopy top & Cockpit protection

Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
 

Dear AMEL community,
I'm looking for a new canopy top, and cockpit protection. I've seen one in St. Martin on another AMEL that seemed to have two layers for the cockpit, one against Mosquitos and a second one against rain. It looked really nice, but I couldn't ask the owner while I was at the Island World Marina because he left his boat during my stay. However, I heard from another AMEL owner that he had someone in Trinidad doing that job. If you know who I may contact in Trinidad (as I plan to do down to Grenada for the HS anyway), I'd really appreciate the information.
Fair winds,
Alex Ramseyer
SY NO STRESS
AMEL54, #15
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Duo 60 Watermaker

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Duane,

Where are you checking the water quality? You may want to disconnect the blue plastic line which is the output line to the freshwater tank. This line comes from the watermaker control panel and connects to a copper pipe which empties into your freshwater tank. This line has now pressure and has a flow rate based on the capacity of your water maker which is 60 liters per hour. Test that water.

It is possible that the water maker is running at too high pressure and that the HP gauge is not accurate. What rate does the clear flow sight glass show? It should read no higher than 60.

Were the O rings replaced? It is possible that an O ring was damaged in the replacement. Saltwater may be passing by a damaged O ring. In my experience, new membranes will provide close to 100PPM when new and degrade to about 300PPM in 3-4 years.

Based on the information you provided, that is the best I can do for you.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550




On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 1:24 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Duane,


I assume you have tested the water right of of the watermaker itself and it shows the same salt content?  If not, then it is a tank problem...

I wish I had a simple answer for you...  There are two likely causes for high solids content in the permeate from an RO unit: a bad seal or a bad membrane.

The first thing I would try to do is to isolate the problem to one of the two pressure vessels. Try disconnecting the product water lines from the two membrane housings, and collect permeate from each of them separately.  
I'll bet you find one very much saltier than the other, and we would then know where the problem is.  In the unlikely case BOTH are equally bad, you might have gotten a bad batch of membranes, but that seems unlikely.  Could also have been a technique problem in installation of the membranes if Dessalator's instructions were not closely followed.

Now comes the hard part...

Seal? or Membrane?

Since we have (hopefully) now shown that one combination of membrane and pressure vessel is the source of the problem, we need to figure out is it seal, or membrane. With the membrane in the housing, I know of no test that would give a differential diagnosis between those.  If we remove the membrane, we can test it separately.  It is a bit involved, but not too bad...  Here is a description of the process:  http://www.membranes.com/docs/tsb/TSB101.pdf

The alternative to that complex test is to just replace the bad membrane with its seals.  But before you do, check the housing VERY carefully for any scratches or roughness in the places where the seals seat.  When you install a new membrane, be sure to follow the instructi ons from Dessalator exactly.

Bill Kinney
SM#160, Harmonie
Nanny Cay, Tortola, BVI.
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Courtney,

I agree with Alen and I believe that Velos may be the best solution available today for Americans sailing across oceans. Write Velos at Insurance"at"velosgroup.co.uk and tell them that you have an Amel 54 which is one model newer than BeBe. They seem to love Amels.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550






On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Colin,

Thank you so much for the information I really appreciate your insight.
Sincerely
Courtney




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From: Sailing Island Pearl colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, May 12, 2017 11:49 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 
Hi Courtney

This will depend greatly on the area you are cruising in, for example our 2001 Super Maramu 2000 cost us $3000 pa in Australian waters with Panteanius and almost $7000pa with the same company for Asia and Indian Ocean. We just moved to Velos which was about $6000 pa for Asia west and Indian Ocean (based on boat value of $395,000).

Having gone through all the comparisons recently each company varies hugely and you have to read absolutely every line in the fine print, for example Panteanius pays absolutely nothing if your boat is taken by pirates and their excess (or deductables) were 5x the amount of Velos, however they were far superior in covering personal accidents, covered us 100% for single handed sailing and had a number of other benefits plus were a pleasure to deal with.

Good luck with it but take care, there are huge differences and you need to firstly decide what is most appropriate for your needs and sailing plans.

Colin Streeter, SV Island Pearl II
Amel 53 # 332. Brisbane Australia




On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 12:24 AM, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Hi all,
I am in the process of getting insurance for an Amel 54 and was wondering what owners were paying for this coverage for a 54.  I read the older posts about pros and cons of different policies and coverages but was looking for a ball park figure.
Thank you for your replies
Courtney Gorman
future s/v Trippin'



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Colin Streeter
0411 016 445
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint Question [2 Attachments]

John Clark
 

Hi Chuck,
   The choice of paint I think will depend on where you plan to sail her.  I keep a daysailor in Charleston and use an ablative I think SeaHawk,  one of the 75 80 percent copper.

On the SM here in Caribbean there is a hard epoxy on her, a Micron product the previous owner had applued in Grenada.

      Regards John

Vent de Soleil SM 37
Great Bay, Sint Maarten

On May 12, 2017 11:07 AM, "clacey9@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from clacey9@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

Hi All,

Perspective buyer here. Looked at a boat on the hard and fresh water is her home (6 months in 6 months out). Will move to salt water in the near future. I know I need to paint but I also know there is saltwater/freshwater specific paints. Tried to query the conversations tab here for an answer (a little quirky to get around). Has anyone been in this situation? I would like to avoid two bottom jobs in two years if possible. Take a look at the pics. I value your opinions.

Thx
Chuck





On May 12, 2017 11:07 AM, "clacey9@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from clacey9@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

Hi All,

Perspective buyer here. Looked at a boat on the hard and fresh water is her home (6 months in 6 months out). Will move to salt water in the near future. I know I need to paint but I also know there is saltwater/freshwater specific paints. Tried to query the conversations tab here for an answer (a little quirky to get around). Has anyone been in this situation? I would like to avoid two bottom jobs in two years if possible. Take a look at the pics. I value your opinions.

Thx
Chuck
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: rigg of santorin when should it be changed?

John Clark
 

Hi Bob,
   I just had rig replaced in Le Marin, Martinique by Caraibe, the vendor used by Amel.  All ACMO materials. The cost incuding installation was about $10,000 USD.  Wrkers were quick and efficient.

Gaetan is the fellow to ask for. This is his email:  gaetan@...

     Regards,  John

Vent de Soleil SM 37
Great Bay, Sint Maarten


On May 12, 2017 12:22 PM, "tuwhiti@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi Paul,

I am tying to find the contact for an ACMO SM 2000 rigging quote. I thought I saw the contact email in this (or other) thread but alas cannot find it now. I sent a generic e-mail request to ACMO via their website but fear it may be lost in the works now for about a week.

Do you or anyone else have a recent contact for requesting a standing rig quote for our SM 2000 (2002 H#362).
Thanks so much,
Bob Ross
SM #362 S/V Nomad
USA
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint Question [2 Attachments]

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Chuck,

For some reason, at least 1 coat of bottom paint is flaking off the other coats...it looks like two coats are flaking. It appears to me from the photos that prudent thing to do is to remove all of the existing bottom paint. There are several methods that would be acceptable...hand scraping followed by sanding, or machine peeling. Either of these would be followed by sanding prep, then a coat of primer approved for your new antifouling paint. For saltwater use, I recommend Micron66, reapplied every two years. There are other good antifouling materials, but generally, you get what you pay for. Some antifouling material requires cleaning the bottom 2 or 3 times each year...Micron66 does not.

There are spots of the epoxy coating separating from the cast iron keel...this needs to be addressed and probably this Super Maramu is the age that it makes sense to remove all of the epoxy on the keel and re-apply it. The methodology of the process is very important.

I do not understand whether or not your hull will be in freshwater again, but if it will be in freshwater again, Micron66 is not applicable because Micron66 will become inert if exposed to freshwater. If you can find Micron77, it can be used in either fresh or saltwater. 

I hope this helps you get a general idea of the decisions you need to make and the processes available to you. If you want to discuss this further, maybe give me a call at the number below.

Good luck on your search for a new-to-you Amel. Be sure to contact Joel Potter in Ft. Lauderdale in your search for an Amel. jfpottercys"at"att.net 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550





On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 10:06 AM, clacey9@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from clacey9@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

Hi All,

Perspective buyer here. Looked at a boat on the hard and fresh water is her home (6 months in 6 months out). Will move to salt water in the near future. I know I need to paint but I also know there is saltwater/freshwater specific paints. Tried to query the conversations tab here for an answer (a little quirky to get around). Has anyone been in this situation? I would like to avoid two bottom jobs in two years if possible. Take a look at the pics. I value your opinions.

Thx
Chuck
Re: Duo 60 Watermaker

greatketch@...
 

Duane,

I assume you have tested the water right of of the watermaker itself and it shows the same salt content?  If not, then it is a tank problem...

I wish I had a simple answer for you...  There are two likely causes for high solids content in the permeate from an RO unit: a bad seal or a bad membrane.

The first thing I would try to do is to isolate the problem to one of the two pressure vessels. Try disconnecting the product water lines from the two membrane housings, and collect permeate from each of them separately.  
I'll bet you find one very much saltier than the other, and we would then know where the problem is.  In the unlikely case BOTH are equally bad, you might have gotten a bad batch of membranes, but that seems unlikely.  Could also have been a technique problem in installation of the membranes if Dessalator's instructions were not closely followed.

Now comes the hard part...

Seal? or Membrane?

Since we have (hopefully) now shown that one combination of membrane and pressure vessel is the source of the problem, we need to figure out is it seal, or membrane. With the membrane in the housing, I know of no test that would give a differential diagnosis between those.  If we remove the membrane, we can test it separately.  It is a bit involved, but not too bad...  Here is a description of the process:  http://www.membranes.com/docs/tsb/TSB101.pdf

The alternative to that complex test is to just replace the bad membrane with its seals.  But before you do, check the housing VERY carefully for any scratches or roughness in the places where the seals seat.  When you install a new membrane, be sure to follow the instructions from Dessalator exactly.

Bill Kinney
SM#160, Harmonie
Nanny Cay, Tortola, BVI.
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