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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mango Zincs

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Jay,

I believe that there have been many modifications to that Mango. I seem to remember a late model Mango that had the zincs on the rudder like Santorins, SMs, 54s, 55s, and 64s. I am not sure of the position of early model Mangos. Hopefully a Mango owner can give you a clear answer for hull #60.

The most important issue regarding the zincs and the bonding system is: does the zinc electrically connect with no resistance to the bonded items? Have you checked continuity between the zinc and the engine propellor shaft? What about inside the area of the rudder post/quadrant? Is there evidence of the bonding wire connecting to the rudder post or quadrant? This connection the the rudder post/quadrant is what you should see on the above mentioned models. Unrelated to your direct question, but significant because of the potential modifications on hull #60, is this: Is there a weep hole in the bottom (underneath) of the rudder?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970




On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 11:09 AM, J Wagam jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi Amel Owners,

I am trying to track down the location for zincs on my mango. Next to the grounding plate is a threaded hole that had a bolt in it. It goes all the way through. I assumed this was the zinc location but it is very close to the plate. Does anybody have an idea of what this hole is for? If not for zincs, where is the zinc location?

Thank You!
Jay Wagamon
Mango #60 Hobo Tiempo



Mango Zincs

J Wagam <jwagam@...>
 

Hi Amel Owners,

I am trying to track down the location for zincs on my mango. Next to the grounding plate is a threaded hole that had a bolt in it. It goes all the way through. I assumed this was the zinc location but it is very close to the plate. Does anybody have an idea of what this hole is for? If not for zincs, where is the zinc location?

Thank You!
Jay Wagamon
Mango #60 Hobo Tiempo


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Copper coat

Ian Park
 

James
Agree, the final dry application seems pretty thin, but it is very hard and very durable. I can't think of anything else you can vigorously attack with a stainless steel pan scrubber!
We missed a season in the Caribbean this year due to ailing parents. Next year we'll cruise the Windward area, then head back to UK via the OCC Azores rally. The Baltic and Scandinavia beckon next where the sun is more considerate to a fair skin!

Hope our passage plans cross somewhere.

Good luck with the hull.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: Copper coat

ericmeury@...
 

Why not look at Supership Bottom Paint.  Very high copper content


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Copper coat

James Alton
 

Ian,

   Thanks for your input.  Perhaps erosion is not the correct term.  I was just reading that the Copper Coat becomes thinner over time and will require touch up and an eventual recoat so at some level material is being lost with time.  I guess that this could be due to  the mechanical abrasion from cleaning and sanding to expose new Copper, or perhaps the water based Epoxy softens some with immersion,  I am not sure.  The 4 coats that we applied seem to be fairly thin once sanded flat but incredibly hard when compared to any antifouling that I have ever used.  i don’t expect to see any Coppercoat smeared up on the bootop as the straps stretch like with some softer antifouling.

   I like what you said about the hull being very smooth and agree about the paint buildup problem.  One of the first things that struck me about my Amel Maramu was how fair and smooth the bottom is.  No bulkheads showing through, just a very fair 29 year old hull with nary a blister.   

  I hope that we cross paths someday, I would like to see “Ocean Hobo".

Best,

James

On May 13, 2017, at 10:20 AM, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James
Yes it is water based and rollers are easily cleaned on water. On the third day of applying in Trinidad a big black cloud appeared and unloaded on us. It washed the two coats we were applying to the final third of the boat. The other two thirds applied on the previous two days was untouched. We had enough to complete the job in the end!
I wasn't aware that Coppercoat eroded at all. To bring fresh copper to the surface you have to lightly sand the hull with an 800 grit paper. Check the barrier and eroding facts with Coppercoat - I'd be interested to know.
In the tropics we have a light coat of slime build up on the hull over a couple of months. I use a stainless wire wool to scrub it or a large scraper. I can do most of the hull with just a mask and snorkel. In home waters -Wales and Scotland - the build up was less (this with the old Coppercoat), but it hosed off quite easily with the boat dried out against a harbour wall.
It works for me, and the main thing I like is a very smooth hull, none of the peeled onion skin effect after a few years build up of eroding anti fouling. Oh, and I don't have the messy annual job of reapplying anti fouling. 

Good luck

Ian 
Ocean Hobo SN96



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Copper coat

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you all for your input, we are rather convinced that CC will work good for us. However we will shop around for a good yard who can do it at a reasonable cost. We have to leave the boat somewhere in Chesapeake and go back to Sweden for a few weeks first half june to see our kids. Thought it would be good to have the bottom fixed during our absence, but have to reconsider when to do it. The bottom is very fouled with a green fure, so we will aske som divers to clean it.
Regards
Paul on SY Kerpa SM3259 currently on Spanish Wells Eleuthere leaving for the Chesapeak Bay in a few days


Re: Bottom Paint Question

greatketch@...
 

An additional data point on paint selection. We used Biocop TF on Harmonie. A multi season ablative that is good in both fresh and salt water.

We wanted to avoid wondering how far up the Cheasapeake or Florida's New River we can go before the Micron66 dies. After 6 months in the Caribbean I am still very happy.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Anagada, BVI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Duo 60 Watermaker

Alan Leslie
 

I use a handheld TDS meter and take the water from the ball valve in front of the flow meter. That's the direct output of the water maker.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Duo 60 Watermaker

eric freedman
 

When you are testing the water from the kitchen faucet you are testing the  water in the tank.

We installed a omega water sensor in the output line of the membranes. That gives me a better idea of

What is the water quality of the watermaker.

I hope the attachment comes through. My install is similar to the one in the photo. I believe Bill took that photo.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 7:14 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Duo 60 Watermaker

 

 

JP,

 

I use a "Total Dissolved Solids" meter from HM Digital.  I believe it uses electrical resistivity to give a TDS measurement.  I use the water drawn from the kitchen sink.

 

Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint Question

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Chuck,

In my opinion, there is very little risk for a few months back in the water.

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 11:31 AM, clacey9@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks all for the replies and advice. The boat is going to be put back in the water without it being re-painted for at least a month. How bad will this be considering the rust on the keel and peeling layers. After survey and hopefully purchase I as new owner will put back in the yard and arrange a bottom job. What's the overall risk?


Thx
Chuck



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint Question [2 Attachments]

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Thanks all for the replies and advice. The boat is going to be put back in the water without it being re-painted for at least a month. How bad will this be considering the rust on the keel and peeling layers. After survey and hopefully purchase I as new owner will put back in the yard and arrange a bottom job. What's the overall risk?

Thx
Chuck


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

Courtney Gorman
 

Dean the boat is in North Carolina until July then Brunswick Georgia until December then south to the Caribbean 
Thank you for the info
Courtney 



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Date: 5/13/17 1:10 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 

Courtney,
Here are some other data points for you based on a UK registered Amel 54 sailing in the Med, valued at €550k.

Pantaenius: €3000
Y Yacht: €2400
DeNovo: €2700

As others have mentioned make sure you are satisfied with the particular coverage and exclusions attached to each policy offering.

Where is the boat located Courtney?

Cheers
Dean

Amel 54 #TBD



On 12 May 2017, at 11:33 pm, itsfun1 Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Bill I appreciate the input have a great weekend
Courtney 



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From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 5/12/17 2:32 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 

Courtney,

I agree with Alen and I believe that Velos may be the best solution available today for Americans sailing across oceans. Write Velos at Insurance"at"velosgroup.co.uk and tell them that you have an Amel 54 which is one model newer than BeBe. They seem to love Amels.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550






On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Colin,

Thank you so much for the information I really appreciate your insight.
Sincerely
Courtney




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From: Sailing Island Pearl colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, May 12, 2017 11:49 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 
Hi Courtney

This will depend greatly on the area you are cruising in, for example our 2001 Super Maramu 2000 cost us $3000 pa in Australian waters with Panteanius and almost $7000pa with the same company for Asia and Indian Ocean. We just moved to Velos which was about $6000 pa for Asia west and Indian Ocean (based on boat value of $395,000).

Having gone through all the comparisons recently each company varies hugely and you have to read absolutely every line in the fine print, for example Panteanius pays absolutely nothing if your boat is taken by pirates and their excess (or deductables) were 5x the amount of Velos, however they were far superior in covering personal accidents, covered us 100% for single handed sailing and had a number of other benefits plus were a pleasure to deal with.

Good luck with it but take care, there are huge differences and you need to firstly decide what is most appropriate for your needs and sailing plans.

Colin Streeter, SV Island Pearl II
Amel 53 # 332. Brisbane Australia




On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 12:24 AM, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Hi all,
I am in the process of getting insurance for an Amel 54 and was wondering what owners were paying for this coverage for a 54.  I read the older posts about pros and cons of different policies and coverages but was looking for a ball park figure.
Thank you for your replies
Courtney Gorman
future s/v Trippin'






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Colin Streeter
0411 016 445



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator 160 glass sight tube

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Bill,
It is the bottom connection that leaks; the glass is not broken.  I will  check with Dessalator to see if valve is included with glass. 
Thanks 

Ben and Gayle 
La Bella Vita
SM #347
6S


On May 13, 2017, at 10:25 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben & Everyone with a Dessalator water maker,

I'm not sure of this. Is the sight-glass cracked, or is the seal and joint leaking? Or, maybe the pressure valve is leaking. Have you looked at the backside of the system control panel? You can access it through the cockpit lazarette. Remove the piece of plywood on the forward bulkhead inside the lazarette. 

One issue is that the pressure valve has a tendency to corrode. If I remember correctly, the valve is made of two different metals! Check here for a corrosion-caused leak. If I remember correctly, the sight-glass is either mounted on top of this valve, or connected. If this is where your problem is, you may need to order a new pressure valve. It probably comes with the sight glass and might be what Dessalator quoted.

Everyone else reading this, be sure to coat this valve with CorrosionX at least every two years. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On May 13, 2017 09:10, "joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have an AC water maker - 160 Ltr unit. The sight tube which shows freshwater flow is leaking from bottom where plastic base connects. Has anyone else had this issue? I contacted Dessalator about replacement glass tube. Price is € 325.00.. ouch! Does anyone have another source for this part?

Ben

Ben and Gayle
La Bella Vita
SM 347
Currently St Martin
La Bella Vita
SM 347
Currently St Martin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator 160 glass sight tube

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ben & Everyone with a Dessalator water maker,

I'm not sure of this. Is the sight-glass cracked, or is the seal and joint leaking? Or, maybe the pressure valve is leaking. Have you looked at the backside of the system control panel? You can access it through the cockpit lazarette. Remove the piece of plywood on the forward bulkhead inside the lazarette. 

One issue is that the pressure valve has a tendency to corrode. If I remember correctly, the valve is made of two different metals! Check here for a corrosion-caused leak. If I remember correctly, the sight-glass is either mounted on top of this valve, or connected. If this is where your problem is, you may need to order a new pressure valve. It probably comes with the sight glass and might be what Dessalator quoted.

Everyone else reading this, be sure to coat this valve with CorrosionX at least every two years. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On May 13, 2017 09:10, "joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have an AC water maker - 160 Ltr unit. The sight tube which shows freshwater flow is leaking from bottom where plastic base connects. Has anyone else had this issue? I contacted Dessalator about replacement glass tube. Price is € 325.00.. ouch! Does anyone have another source for this part?

Ben

Ben and Gayle
La Bella Vita
SM 347
Currently St Martin
La Bella Vita
SM 347
Currently St Martin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Copper coat

Ian Park
 

James
Yes it is water based and rollers are easily cleaned on water. On the third day of applying in Trinidad a big black cloud appeared and unloaded on us. It washed the two coats we were applying to the final third of the boat. The other two thirds applied on the previous two days was untouched. We had enough to complete the job in the end!
I wasn't aware that Coppercoat eroded at all. To bring fresh copper to the surface you have to lightly sand the hull with an 800 grit paper. Check the barrier and eroding facts with Coppercoat - I'd be interested to know.
In the tropics we have a light coat of slime build up on the hull over a couple of months. I use a stainless wire wool to scrub it or a large scraper. I can do most of the hull with just a mask and snorkel. In home waters -Wales and Scotland - the build up was less (this with the old Coppercoat), but it hosed off quite easily with the boat dried out against a harbour wall.
It works for me, and the main thing I like is a very smooth hull, none of the peeled onion skin effect after a few years build up of eroding anti fouling. Oh, and I don't have the messy annual job of reapplying anti fouling.

Good luck

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96


Dessalator 160 glass sight tube

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

I have an AC water maker - 160 Ltr unit. The sight tube which shows freshwater flow is leaking from bottom where plastic base connects. Has anyone else had this issue? I contacted Dessalator about replacement glass tube. Price is € 325.00.. ouch! Does anyone have another source for this part?

Ben

Ben and Gayle
La Bella Vita
SM 347
Currently St Martin
La Bella Vita
SM 347
Currently St Martin


Dessalator glass sight tube

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

I have an AC water maker - 160 Ltr unit. The sight tube which shows freshwater flow is leaking from bottom where plastic base connects. Has anyone else had this issue? I contacted Dessalator about replacement glass tube. Price is € 325.00.. ouch! Does anyone have another source for this part?

Ben
Ben and Gayle
La Bella Vita
SM 347
St Martin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Copper coat

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

You might want to look at this photo. 

The answer about coppercoat effectiveness depends on many factors. One factor is the location and environment. Another is the required maintenance of coppercoat. I know many people who would judge coppercoat as a failure because it requires cleaning and scraping. If you want antifouling to do its job without your help and your location is prone to fouling, you probably don't​ want coppercoat. 

The owner of the cat in the above comparison photo did not like his new coppercoat bottom. That is BeBe, SM387 in the photo comparison. Both boats had antifouling applied in about the same place and the same time and both had about the same sea miles. 

The people I know that like coppercoat would be satisfied with the performance in the photo and would have already scraped the hull once or twice. 

I believe the biggest variables in whether Coppercoat will perform well is you and your expectations. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970




   

On May 13, 2017 07:55, "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ian,


   What is your opinion of the effectiveness of Copper Coat in Tropical waters?  

    My understanding is that the epoxy used in the Copper Coat system is water based (cleanup of tools etc, is simply done with plain water) and designed to slowly dissolve to expose more copper over time. So while the epoxy coating has some barrier coating qualities it is not really a barrier coat per se in case your boat needs this,  hence my reference to the possible need of an epoxy coating for a barrier coat rather than it being needed as a primer.  I agree with the need for the alcohol thinner,  especially with warm temperatures which make the pot life pretty short.

James Alton
SV, Sueno, Maramu #220

On May 13, 2017, at 3:17 AM, parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Paul
Our boat had coppercoat of an unknown age, with some patches.
We had the the hull stripped back in Trinidad and reapplied Coppercoat ourselves. The yard tried to persuade us to apply two coats of epoxy to the hull first. Coppercoat told us to apply straight on to the clean hull since it is an epoxy coating in itself . We did this. 
If you do it yourself a team of 4-6 people could do the job in a day with one person continually supplying the mixed epoxy. Linda and I on our own took 3 days - but that was in the heat in Trinidad!
You do need to thin the Coppercoat with rubbing alcohol to roller it on. The total cost was around£1300.00, but we had imported the Coppercoat from UK and avoided VAT. Of course the smaller hull needed less. 
Did you have a breakdown of the costs?

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haulout - Storage Checklists

Dan Carlson
 

Thanks for all of the helpful tips and experiences.  

I will let you all know how it goes in about 5 months when we re-comission.

If anyone has additional checklists you can also email me at carlsdan61 at gmail dot com.

Thanks all, Dan Carlson 




On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 11:11 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

Marina Seco in Mexico suggests plugging all holes in the hull with stainless steel wool. It let's any water drip out and keeps the bugs out.

Craig, SN68 Sangaris


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Copper coat

James Alton
 

Ian,

   What is your opinion of the effectiveness of Copper Coat in Tropical waters?  

    My understanding is that the epoxy used in the Copper Coat system is water based (cleanup of tools etc, is simply done with plain water) and designed to slowly dissolve to expose more copper over time. So while the epoxy coating has some barrier coating qualities it is not really a barrier coat per se in case your boat needs this,  hence my reference to the possible need of an epoxy coating for a barrier coat rather than it being needed as a primer.  I agree with the need for the alcohol thinner,  especially with warm temperatures which make the pot life pretty short.

James Alton
SV, Sueno, Maramu #220

On May 13, 2017, at 3:17 AM, parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Paul
Our boat had coppercoat of an unknown age, with some patches.
We had the the hull stripped back in Trinidad and reapplied Coppercoat ourselves. The yard tried to persuade us to apply two coats of epoxy to the hull first. Coppercoat told us to apply straight on to the clean hull since it is an epoxy coating in itself . We did this. 
If you do it yourself a team of 4-6 people could do the job in a day with one person continually supplying the mixed epoxy. Linda and I on our own took 3 days - but that was in the heat in Trinidad!
You do need to thin the Coppercoat with rubbing alcohol to roller it on. The total cost was around£1300.00, but we had imported the Coppercoat from UK and avoided VAT. Of course the smaller hull needed less. 
Did you have a breakdown of the costs?

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96