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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exploded oven inner glass, SuperMaramu
Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
Here you are
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S/Y Lady Annila, SM 232, 1998
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Instalation SSB
eric freedman
Rafael, There are a lot of inexpensive 24 to 12 volt electronic converters much smaller than the old Icom unit. I carry a few just in case one of the other 5 converters go bad. Just google 24 to 12 volt converters. I forgot which ones I purchased . Here is a sample http://shop.pkys.com/Victron-Energy-Orion-2412-40-DC-DC-Converter-with-40-Amp-Output_p_2766.html
This one is 480 watts.. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 12:05 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Instalation SSB
Rafel,
The Icom 24-13.6VDC Converter used by Amel on SSB installations is difficult to find. Normal price is around $800-$1,000USD.
Here is one for sale: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Icom-PS-66-DC-DC-Step-Down-Converter-24v-in-13-6v-out-Excel-Working-Condition-/222541742331?hash=item33d08580fb:g:luoAAOSw~e5ZPGYy&vxp=mtr
Best,
CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 9:19 AM, rcavie <no_reply@...> wrote:
Hi Max I have the same Icom 706 MK2g and the tunner AT 120. I will install my radio and I would like if you have a special converter from 24 to 12 V. What kind of antenna do you use, Shakespeare? Pleas let me know your experience with this radio. I´ve got some information about grounding from others amel owners. Thank you very much Rafael Agapanthe SM2k246
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sloop rig santorin, Stainless steel bolts on the mast foot?
Hello, We are on a shakedown of our new and beautiful SN006 Liesse, in South Of France, which although going very well and stunningly beautiful I have taken to calling the Motorterranean! I do have the 4 ss bolts securing a large somewhat substantial hemispherical reinforcement bar on the leading edge of the mast. Surrounding paint at bolt and inspection plate on stb side which is aluminum do show a bit of dissimilar metal paint lifting but it seems superficial and is on my list to address. I am curious about your statement about the compression loads on the Santorin sloop Olivier, as it is my understanding that it is the same mast as the ketch but with a longer boom. On our boat the main sail is well short of the full length of the boom which I assumed is due to an inability of the mast to accommodate any more rolled sail. (clearly no more room when furler). So it does appear the main is underpowered, is this typical of the sloops? Also IF the boom is the only thing different on the sloop rig how does this serve increase the compression loads of the mast that you mentioned. Finally are there any ongoing structural concerns regarding this mast reinforcement which those of us with these earlier boats should be aware? Sorry to be so long winded. Thanks and best regards, Dave Bruce s/v Liesse. SN006,
On Jun 12, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Sloop rig santorin, Stainless steel bolts on the mast foot?
pedelannoy@gmail.com <no_reply@...>
Bonjour Olivier
What an amazing Amel science you have! The boat in question is named Antioche and is up for sale in la Rochelle. I have been looking at amels since i first saw them as a kid in le port d'hyères. I think these were big mangos at the time, and in remember thinking "how can someone make such ugly looking boats?" With time came a little bit of wisdom and i learnt the why and how of these amazing vessels. I have the chance to be introduced to this boat by the nice guy at amel brokerage who sure knows what he is talking about. I may leave for a long cruise in the coming years and an amel will be on the list. But the time has not come yet and i wouldn't like to own an amel and let him collect moss in some la rochelle pontoon. I really appreciat your knowledge and the time you took to answer. Will reach you, in french, when the time comes. A très bientôt PE
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Explosive episode
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Jeff, Batteries release Hydrogen gas when charging...they release a lot when overcharging. I believe the only thing that would blow the hinges off of that compartment would be Hydrogen gas. I am guessing that the release of Hydrogen gas was caused by either a short in one or more of the batteries, or a charging device overcharging. Either condition would cause the the batteries to overheat. What was the condition of the batteries after the explosion? Were any battery cases cracked or broken? What was the temperature of the batteries? Were some hot? Have you inspected the vent hose and checked that it is clear to the outside? Batteries can be bad when delivered new. I bought 12 new house batteries about 4 years ago and 2 of them never left the dock. I tested all before placing them on the boat...2 had internal shorts. I think maybe you were recording Amps, not Amp/hour. If you were recording Amps, it seems that 1.5 is fine, however, I am guessing that if 150-175 amps poured into fully charged batteries for 30 minutes, you could boil the batteries, releasing Hydrogen...I am not sure of this, but your alternator has an output capability of at least 150 amps. I believe it is controled by a smart regulator, but maybe not on hull #14. Is there a Smart Regulator in a plastic electrical box on the aft firewall slightly above the engine height? I apologize for giving you more questions than answers. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 6:17 PM, jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Explosive episode
JEFFREY KRAUS
I was motorsailing for an extended period trying to make as much progress to the easterd as possible. While making omlets for myself and my crew, there was an explosion in the galley. The big plastic bowl I was mixing the omlets in blew out of my hands, and landed in the sink. It was a big loud pop, not a puff that you might expect from an excess of propane due to a burner left on. It wasn't so much an explosion as a loud POP. My initial reaction was to think it WAS excess propane. The dials for the stove are touchy on the 54, and I thought I had made the mistake of having a burner slightly on , but unlit, and when enough propane built up, it exploded. I checked the engine compartment, All OK. After cleaning up the mess (it wasn't bad), and making the omlets, I went to log in the hourly numbers at the nav station, and noticed that the sea berth mattress and the battery compartment cover were blown askew, and the facing cabinets were blown open. Upon closer inspection, the battery compartment cover had blown the hinges off. A couple of points of note: Batteries were replaced 10/16..replacements were the.same batteries as were originally aboard (lead acid) New batteries were never allowed to go below 70%. Never saw below 23.3 volts During motorsailing the AH reading recorded at that point was approx. +1.4AH at each hourly log entry The engine was turning 1300rpm, and it's the d3-110 (top end around 3000rpm) I realized that there was apparent contribution of gas (H?) from the battery compartment that appears to have, if nothing else, created an independent event, and possibly, primarily caused the galley event, I'm wondering 2 things: 1. Does the float stage of the engine alternator produce too high of an amperage flow at float stage, during an extended period of engine usage, producing too much of a charge, causing the excess creation of the gas from the charging process? 2. Is the battery compartment improperly vented in the 54? (I thought there was a discussion of this in the past on the forum. Apologies. I don't follow the forum regularly, and may have missed this discussion I opened the compartment regularly after the episode after the event to be safe. If there was some kind of a protocol I wasn't following, please, by all means, let me know. If there is something I was remiss in, or should have done differently, again, please let me know. There was ZERO evidence of any type of a burning from the explosion. The only evidence in the sea berth was a slight marking on the wall where the cover pushed hard into the wall on the aft end. Any educated thoughts on the episode would be appreciated. I will be tied up for a few months in my latest port of call as I get to the bottom of this event, along with a few other repairs, a few of which I'll seek the forum's advise. Thanks Amelians. Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14
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Re: Battery Options in Santorin
ericmeury@...
ian we are only connected to shore power once every few months. When we leave the boat at a dock we are not connected.
I do need to figure out a better charge profile for the alternator...thinking of the sterling alternator to battery monitor Eric
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Options in Santorin
ericmeury@...
Ian
We ended up going with the following new batteries are purchased. 680 Amp hours at 12 volt. Also purchased an automated battery watering system with the batteries. Picking them up on Friday and installing on friday then beer. each batter was 250 MINUS the core (varies on type of battery) I originally wanted the L16 wich would give 840 Amp hours but figured the savings in money could buy another solar panel.
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Re: Instalation SSB
sbmesasailor
Rafa, You are getting plenty of good advice from the other members of this group. The only thing I would add is after you get the system installed, don't try to operate it in a marina. There is too much interference and you'll think you did something wrong. I installed ours in San Diego and it wouldn't work until we we were about a mile outside the marina. Dennis Johns Libertad Maramu #121 Shelter Bay, Panama
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Instalation SSB
Massimo Vecchietti
...I am very satisfied of this radio ,connected to a Pactor III. I have used the starboard back-stay as antenna and AT 140 tunner Normal transformer from 24v to 12 v. Only AT 140 is connected to ground Max SY Patchouli II n 84
Il 14 Giu 2017 5:24 PM, "rcavie" <no_reply@...> ha scritto:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Instalation SSB
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Rafel, The Icom 24-13.6VDC Converter used by Amel on SSB installations is difficult to find. Normal price is around $800-$1,000USD. Here is one for sale: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 9:19 AM, rcavie <no_reply@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Instalation SSB
rcavie <no_reply@...>
Hi Max
I have the same Icom 706 MK2g and the tunner AT 120. I will install my radio and I would like if you have a special converter from 24 to 12 V. What kind of antenna do you use, Shakespeare? Pleas let me know your experience with this radio. I´ve got some information about grounding from others amel owners. Thank you very much Rafael Agapanthe SM2k246
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Re: Instalation SSB
greatketch@...
Just to be clear, the triatic is ONLY good as the secondary DSC receiver on a radio like the 802 that needs a separate receive-only antenna for its DSC system to work. As Alan points out, it would be terrible as a main antenna. It is too short for for some of the lower frequency bands, and, unless you put the tuner at the top of the mast, you would lose virtually all of your transmitting power just getting to the top of the mast.
Since the DSC antenna is receive only, I'd bet that just tying to any piece of ungrounded rigging would be just as good as the triatic. When I installed an 802 on my old boat I used a 16 foot (3.5 m) piece of 14AWG wire hoisted in the rig for the DSC antenna, and it work like a charm. Harmonie came to us with a 710, which doesn't have the DSC function so no secondary antenna is used. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Highlands, NJ ---In amelyachtowners@..., <divanz620@...> wrote : Interesting... We have an ICOM710 with an AT130 tuner mounted in the hanging locker at the aft end of the pilot berth. Our antenna is the main mast backstay. The antenna lead goes through the head access to the base of the mizzen mast and up the mast a few feet and out a hole to connect with the insulated main backstay. It works well. We initially tried the triatic stay, as the Furuno weather fax was connected to it, but it was worse than useless with the ICOM SSB, so when we re-rigged the boat a couple of years ago, the insulated triatic stay went west. Interestingly, did you know, that none of the Super Maramu rigging is connected to ground ? So apart from the risk of a crew member getting zapped, connecting the tuner antenna wire to any part of the standing rigging would work a treat! We insulated the main backstay to avoid problems with crew getting zapped ! Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exploded oven inner glass, SuperMaramu
eric freedman
Hi, I could not find the area where the stoves and parts are located. Would you please send a link? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:53 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exploded oven inner glass, SuperMaramu
Hi all
Our oven is an Over Seas Cooker from before June 1998.
You can get a new glass from www.eno.fr Visit their web-site and search for your model and part number. They have a feature to send the request via the web-site but it doesn't work. Instead, send an e-mail to SAV@.... I wrote in english and got an answer in french, but Google translate is a good friend.
Price, 40€ incl VAT and freight to Portugal.
Regards Annsofie, S/Y Lady Annila, SM 232, 1998 in Portimao, Algarve, Portugal
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Re: Exploded oven inner glass, SuperMaramu
Ian Park
Annesofie
It happened once to me. I had removed both the door glasses to clean them. Only one was fully heat proof. I had put them back the wrong way round. It was not an expensive cooker. Ian 'Ocean Hobo' SN96
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Re: Instalation SSB
Interesting...
We have an ICOM710 with an AT130 tuner mounted in the hanging locker at the aft end of the pilot berth. Our antenna is the main mast backstay. The antenna lead goes through the head access to the base of the mizzen mast and up the mast a few feet and out a hole to connect with the insulated main backstay. It works well. We initially tried the triatic stay, as the Furuno weather fax was connected to it, but it was worse than useless with the ICOM SSB, so when we re-rigged the boat a couple of years ago, the insulated triatic stay went west. Interestingly, did you know, that none of the Super Maramu rigging is connected to ground ? So apart from the risk of a crew member getting zapped, connecting the tuner antenna wire to any part of the standing rigging would work a treat! We insulated the main backstay to avoid problems with crew getting zapped ! Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Instalation SSB
Massimo Vecchietti
..I have an ICOM 706 MK II G, what is the question? Max SM Patchouli II. N.84
Il 13 Giu 2017 11:04 PM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:
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Exploded oven inner glass, SuperMaramu
kanalmamman@...
Hi all Our oven is an Over Seas Cooker from before June 1998. You can get a new glass from www.eno.fr Visit their web-site and search for your model and part number. They have a feature to send the request via the web-site but it doesn't work. Instead, send an e-mail to SAV@.... I wrote in english and got an answer in french, but Google translate is a good friend. Price, 40€ incl VAT and freight to Portugal. Regards Annsofie, S/Y Lady Annila, SM 232, 1998 in Portimao, Algarve, Portugal
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Options in Santorin
Ian Park
David,
Sorry, the last message was meant for Eric! Eric, hope you reach a good decision for your Santorin. Ian 'Ocean Hobo' SN96
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Options in Santorin
Ian Park
David,
I had one battery out of four house batteries die just before leaving Cape Verde for Barbados. I removed it. The other 3 x 110 ah batteries were fine. I replaced all the house batteries when we eventually reached Martinique. What I learnt was that I had to ensure more frequently that the batteries were charged up when they got below 80%, but the bank of 3 didn't take as long to fully charge. You didn't mention whether you still have the original Santorin charging regime or if you have added solar, wind or gen set. Also will you operate mainly from a marina with shore power or self sufficient anchorages. A bigger bank may last longer, but takes longer to charge to 100% - important if you want maximum life from the bank. Just another dimension to add to the decision making. All the best. Ian 'Ocean Hobo' SN96
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