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Re: not enough RPM and only 6 knots with 2300

greatketch@...
 

Alain,

Exactly the same for my boat.  The MaxProp pitched correctly will give me 8.0 knots at 3000 RPM.

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Highlands NJ


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RED ALERT

francesringley@...
 

Thanks so much Joel and Bill. We are looking into it right now.


Ian Townsend
SM153
Loca Lola II


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RED ALERT

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

That is Ian & Margaret Townsend. I sent them a private email.

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970





On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 7:20 AM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

There is an Amel Super Maramu on the New River in Fort Lauderdale named LOCA LOLA. There is an audible alarm coming from inside the boat. Anyone who knows the owners, please alert them pronto.

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated converter

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

No, I do not know, but Amel installs the Icon with a double pole breaker, cutting off both the positive and the negative and the Icom has a double pole rocker switch on its face.

Maybe there is something to it.

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970





On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 11:12 PM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,
Do you have any idea why someone would say that an non-isolated converter would be bad?
He mentioned that he installed a relay to disconnect the converter when the radio was not in use?
Fair Winds,
Eric
sm 376 Kimberlite

----- Original Message -----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Sunday, June 25, 2017 5:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated converter
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"

> Eric,
>
> I understand completely. When I do not understand something that
> Amel has
> done in a Super Maramu, I assume that Amel must be right and I
> do not
> understand. In all my years with Amel experience this personal
> rule has not
> failed me. This same rule does not apply to recent things Amel 
> has done.
>
>
> CW Bill Rouse
> Admiral, Texas Navy
> Commander Emeritus
> Amel School www.amelschool.com
> 720 Winnie St
> Galveston Island, TX 77550
> +1(832) 380-4970 <(832)%20380-4970>
>
&g t;
>
> On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 3:48 PM, kimberlite@...
> [amelyachtowners] wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Bill,
> > When I posted a cheap converter for someone to use, I forgot
> who said that
> > the converter I recommended was not isolated and could not be
> used. I
> > wondered why he said that.
> > If you hook just 24 volts + and - to the converter and take
> off only 12
> > volts + and -
> > and do not connect the bonding to the converter , I do not
> understand why
> > it can not be used.
> > Fair Winds,
> > Eric
> > sm 376
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > Date: Sunday, June 25, 2017 3:15 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated converter
> &gt ; To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"
> >
> > > Eric,
> > >
> > > I, too was referring to the Icom 24 t 12VDC converter.
> > >
> > > CW Bill Rouse
> > > Admiral, Texas Navy
> > > Commander Emeritus
> > > Amel School www.amelschool.com
> > > 720 Winnie St
> > > Galveston Island, TX 77550
> > > +1(832) 380-4970 <(832)%20380-4970> <(832)%20380-4970>

> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 1:58 PM, kimberlite@...
> > > [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bill,
> > > > I was speaking about the Icom dc converter and wondered
> why someone
> > > > mentioned it needed an isolated con verter. My freezers
> made rf
> > > on the ss b.
> > > > I installed magnets on the dc power to the compressors and
> the noise
> > > > wemt away.
> > > > Fair Winds,
> > > > Eric
> > > > sm 376
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...
> [amelyachtowners]"> > > Date: Sunday, June 25, 2017 9:22 am
> > > > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated converter
> > > > To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> > > >
> > > > > Eric & Kent,
> > > > >
> > > > > I think the answer is obvious. Any non-modified and totally
> > > original> > Amel-installed SSB will receive and transmit very
> > > little RF from the
> > > > > Amel-installed electric devices, such as battery
> chargers, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > I know many of my friends on other boats had to shut down
> > > > > everything to use
> > > > & gt; their SSBs.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > CW Bill Rouse
> > > > > Admiral, Texas Navy
> > > > > Commander Emeritus
> > > > > Amel School www.amelschool.com
> > > > > 720 Winnie St
> > > > > Galveston Island, TX 77550
> > > > > +1(832) 380-4970 <(832)%20380-4970> <(832)%20380-4970>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jun 24, 2017 22:06, "kimberlite@... et
> > > > > [amelyachtowners]" <
> > > > > amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > &g t; >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Kent,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I believe we spoke abut an isolated power supply for the
> > > > > > ICOM. Why can a non isolated
> > > > > >
> > > > > > be used on the
> > > > > > icom?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > fair winds,
> > > > > > E ric
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>



RED ALERT

amelforme
 

There is an Amel Super Maramu on the New River in Fort Lauderdale named LOCA LOLA. There is an audible alarm coming from inside the boat. Anyone who knows the owners, please alert them pronto.

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 


Boom Lettering

Courtney Gorman
 

Hi all, I am in the process of changing the name on my boat and am looking for a color code for the vinyl letters on the mizzen boom.  Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Courtney
TRIPPIN'
Amel 54 #101




Bow thruster zinc Amel 54

webercardio <webercardio@...>
 

I buy these parts in La Rochelle Maude/Amel - I will send a list of my parts to the group in 2 weeks , when I will be back home.

Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan 11 kW mdkbn amel 54

webercardio <webercardio@...>
 

Thank you all for your answer my question. Especially  Bill - you are my Doctor Amel. So as I feel a good water stream out of the hull, temperatures are good - I think every thing is OK.
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162 Marina in Thessaloniki 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated converter

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Eric,
It was me.

I'll try again.

It has nothing to do with connecting the bonding to the converter.

Non-isolated converter  means that inside the converter, the 24 volt input negative is connected to the 12 volt output negative.
Inside the ICOM SSB, the 12 volt negative is connected to the SSB ground point.
ICOM recommend you connect the SSB ground point, and the Tuner ground point, to the radio grounding plate on the skeg (which is in the sea water).
With your non-isolated converter you now have an electrical path from the 24 volt negative to the immersed radio grounding plate and through the salt water to the anodes on the rudder which are connected to the ship's ground bonding. So you have a path from the 24 Volt negative to the ship's ground, which in Amel land is not allowed.

Two ways you can deal with this

1. Use an isolated converter. The 24 volt input negative is isolated from (not connected to) the 12 volt output negative, so the fact that inside the SSB the 12 volt negative is connected to the SSB ground is no issue since there is no connection to the 24 volt negative.

2. with a non-isolated converter, install a relay in the 24 volt negative feed to the non-isolated converter, powered from a switch (or the existing cct breaker in the hanging locker, but that's a pain to reach) which you use to switch the 24 volt positive on to your converter and REMEMBER to switch it OFF when not using the SSB. This will connect the 24 volt negative to ships ground, as discussed above, BUT only while you are using the SSB. The short time won't cause any corrosion issues.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated converter

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated converter

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated converter

karkauai
 

Gee, Eric,
That must not have been me.  My SSB has never worked and I am as dumb as you can get when talking about them.  I want to get it working b4 I head for the Pacific...on my growing list.
Kent



From: "kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 11:06 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated converter

 
Hi Kent,
I believe we spoke abut an isolated power supply for the
ICOM. Why can a non isolated
be used on the
icom?
fair winds,
Eric



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan 11 kW mdkbn amel 54

Peter Forbes
 

Bill,

I get my zincs from Maud at Amel.

Best wishes

Peter 

Peter Forbes
Amel 54 #035
Grenada
00447836 209730

On 25 Jun 2017, at 18:16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Wolfgang,

I haven't answered because I am not 100% sure and was hoping someone else would answer. 

I am95% sure because I read the 54 Owner's Manual page 5-1 which states that the Generator water exhaust and the Generator gas exhaust exit the hull in two different places. The 11kw Onan has a water separator installed by Amel.

On page 6-3 of the Owner's Manual, it states, "After having started the engine or the generator, check that the wet exhausts of these both
appliances are throwed in the sea through the holes “D”, “E”” and “J”."


The 54 User's Guide on page 1-3,states, "About the exhaust circuit of the generator:
It is fitted with a muffler where the exhaust gas is mixed with seawater and therefore cooled
down. They are forwarded to a water separator (see the Picture 2 – Water / gas exhaust
separator of the generator), to reduce the noise. When the generator is running, make sure
that seawater flows out of the hole, and the gas through the exhaust discharge outlet on the
hull. The Picture 3– Valve to close the outlet of the cooling water gas exhaust of the
generator shows this valve.

I hope this answers your question.

Now, I have one for you. Where do you buy zincs for the 54 bow thruster? Is there a part number?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 11:32 AM, webercardio webercardio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Does the onan 11 kW splash water in the exhaust that you can see it from the hull outside.
Everything is working fine, temperatures are good.
No need to worry  ?
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162  Porto Komfort Greece







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated converter

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

I understand completely. When I do not understand something that Amel has done in a Super Maramu, I assume that Amel must be right and I do not understand. In all my years with Amel experience this personal rule has not failed me. This same rule does not apply to recent things Amel has done.


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 3:48 PM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,
When I posted a cheap converter for someone to use, I forgot who said that the converter I recommended was not isolated and could not be used. I wondered why he said that.
If you hook just 24 volts + and - to the converter and take off only 12 volts + and -
and do not connect the bonding to the converter , I do not understand why it can not be used.
Fair Winds,
Eric
sm 376

----- Original Message -----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Sunday, June 25, 2017 3:15 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated converter
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"

> Eric,
>
> I, too was referring to the Icom 24 t 12VDC converter.
>
> CW Bill Rouse
> Admiral, Texas Navy
> Commander Emeritus
> Amel School www.amelschool.com
> 720 Winnie St
> Galveston Island, TX 77550
> +1(832) 380-4970 <(832)%20380-4970>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 1:58 PM, kimberlite@...
> [amelyachtowners] wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Bill,
> > I was speaking about the Icom dc converter and wondered why someone
> > mentioned it needed an isolated con verter. My freezers made rf
> on the ssb.
> > I installed magnets on the dc power to the compressors and the noise
> > wemt away.
> > Fair Winds,
> > Eric
> > sm 376
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > Date: Sunday, June 25, 2017 9:22 am
> > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated converter
> > To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > Eric & Kent,
> > >
> > > I think the answer is obvious. Any non-modified and totally
> original> > Amel-installed SSB will receive and transmit very
> little RF from the
> > > Amel-installed electric devices, such as battery chargers, etc.
> > >
> > > I know many of my friends on other boats had to shut down
> > > everything to use
> > & gt; their SSBs.
> > >
> > >
> > > CW Bill Rouse
> > > Admiral, Texas Navy
> > > Commander Emeritus
> > > Amel School www.amelschool.com
> > > 720 Winnie St
> > > Galveston Island, TX 77550
> > > +1(832) 380-4970 <(832)%20380-4970>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jun 24, 2017 22:06, "kimberlite@... et
> > > [amelyachtowners]" <
> > > amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Kent,
> > > >
> > > > I believe we spoke abut an isolated power supply for the
> > > > ICOM. Why can a non isolated
> > > >
> > > > be used on the
> > > > icom?
> > > >
> > > > fair winds,
> > > > E ric
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated converter

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated converter

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

I, too was referring to the Icom 24 t 12VDC converter.

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 1:58 PM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,
I was speaking about the Icom dc converter and wondered why someone mentioned it needed an isolated converter. My freezers made rf on the ssb. I installed magnets on the dc power to the compressors and the noise wemt away.
Fair Winds,
Eric
sm 376

----- Original Message -----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Sunday, June 25, 2017 9:22 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated converter
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> Eric & Kent,
>
> I think the answer is obvious. Any non-modified and totally original
> Amel-installed SSB will receive and transmit very little RF from the
> Amel-installed electric devices, such as battery chargers, etc.
>
> I know many of my friends on other boats had to shut down
> everything to use
> their SSBs.
>
>
> CW Bill Rouse
> Admiral, Texas Navy
> Commander Emeritus
> Amel School www.amelschool.com
> 720 Winnie St
> Galveston Island, TX 77550
> +1(832) 380-4970
>
>
>
> On Jun 24, 2017 22:06, "kimberlite@... et
> [amelyachtowners]" <
> amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi Kent,
> >
> > I believe we spoke abut an isolated power supply for the
> > ICOM. Why can a non isolated
> >
> > be used on the
> > icom?
> >
> > fair winds,
> > Eric
> >
> >
>



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated converter

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel propeller

eric freedman
 


Re: not enough RPM and only 6 knots with 2300

philipp.sollberger@...
 

Hi Alain,

Thank's a lot for all your explains. I have a fixed prop and 2 years ago I got 3000 rpm with about 8 knots max speed.
Two years ago, all the prop entretien was done by AMEL specialist at La Rochelle.
For me it is understandable, with a heavy boat and not cleaned hull that I loose speed in the range of half to max 1 knot and not 2 knots at the situation today.

Does anybody already have changed the timing point of the injection pump or the injectors themeselves to get more speed with more gasoline that accelerates the rpm when moving with gear?

I will ask the specialists from AMEL next time when I will be back in La Rochelle at the famous shipyard.

Fair winds,

Philipp


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Onan 11 kW mdkbn amel 54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello Wolfgang;

On our 54, we have the 11KW generator also. The water and exhaust exit the hull in two separate holes. The water is the smaller hole just forward of the engine exhaust. It is easy to see the water exit the small hole due to the slight grey color of the water.

Respectfully;

Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 # 099

On Jun 25, 2017, at 8:27 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Wolfgang,

I haven't answered because I am not 100% sure and was hoping someone else
would answer.

I am95% sure because I read the 54 Owner's Manual page 5-1 which states
that the Generator water exhaust and the Generator gas exhaust exit the
hull in two different places. The 11kw Onan has a water separator installed
by Amel.

On page 6-3 of the Owner's Manual, it states, "After having started the
engine or the generator, check that the wet exhausts of these both
appliances are throwed in the sea through the holes “D”, “E”” and “J”."
[image: Inline image 1]

The 54 User's Guide on page 1-3,states, "About the exhaust circuit of the
generator:
It is fitted with a muffler where the exhaust gas is mixed with seawater
and therefore cooled
down. They are forwarded to a water separator (see the Picture 2 – Water /
gas exhaust
separator of the generator), to reduce the noise. When the generator is
running, make sure
that seawater flows out of the hole, and the gas through the exhaust
discharge outlet on the
hull. The Picture 3– Valve to close the outlet of the cooling water gas
exhaust of the
generator shows this valve.
[image: Inline image 2]
I hope this answers your question.

*Now, I have one for you.* Where do you buy zincs for the 54 bow thruster?
Is there a part number?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970 <(832)%20380-4970>

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 11:32 AM, webercardio webercardio@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Does the onan 11 kW splash water in the exhaust that you can see it from
the hull outside.
Everything is working fine, temperatures are good.
No need to worry ?
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162 Porto Komfort Greece






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