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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster issues

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Totally agree with Bill,
I had someone working on the sensors when I was in Florida, this was a "guessing game".
Same for the rigging, Amel know what they are doing.
Just change the fuse then see if it moves, but let Amel do the work.

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Thu, 6/29/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster issues
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Thursday, June 29, 2017, 8:43 AM


 









OK, since you are in le Marin,
you should see Amel.
Bill
Rouse
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at
8:14 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO @JoeDoakes
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









It was pinned on initial passage to Sint
Maarten and then to Le Marin.  But now pin will not go in
because shaft is too far up.  I pulled pin to use at Le
Marin but did not notice rigging issues or dangling
sensor.  Using it  with inoperable sensor and rigging out
of alignment allowed unit to jam - I think.
Ben 
Ben DriverS/V La Bella VitaSM
#347
Sent from my
iPad
On
Jun 29, 2017, at 9:02 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com> wrote:
















 






Ben,
Was the bow thruster pinned in the
UP position for the passage?
If it were me, I would go to Amel in
le Marin for them to adjust. You may have burned up the
actuator motor that lifts and lowers.
Best,

CW
Bill RouseAdmiral, Texas
NavyCommander
EmeritusAmel School www.amelschool.com720 Winnie StGalveston Island, TX
77550+1(832) 380-4970






On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at
7:54 AM, @JoeDoakes
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com> wrote:















 









After a particularly rough passage
from Virgin Gorda to Sint Maarten, I noticed a good deal of
water under floorboard outside forward head.  I know from
 this forum that it was from thruster.  Thruster had been
removed and serviced last October while on the hard and
leaked not one drop.  In any event I used my Amel in the
water tool to remove unit for inspection.  I found that
both external foam gaskets were in place and not deformed as
was inside gasket.  And shaft seal was firmly in place.  I
re-installed  unit and proceeded to Le Marin - where
I'm now berthed.  Again more water but now I think I
know why. 
Apparently the clamp that
holds sensor labeled "H" -which I believe controls
upward stop position - broke.  (Sensor is hanging free by
its connection). This cased thruster to move way too far up
and then not far enough down which eventually mal adjust
ed the rigging.  After using then thruster when  I
arrived into Le marin the unit came up and stuck in the up
position. It will now not move up or down.  Top cable is
extremely tight pulling thruster to a point above safety pin
hole so pin cannot be inserted.  Lower downward pull cable
is extremely loose.  All this indicates rigging much out of
alignment.  When I switch on the unit all three sensors -
H, B, and SP - light up when switches are flipped but no
movement.  
My question --- Is there a
breaker or fuse on the up/down jack motor?  My control
box and sensors have power but I cannot get motor movement
down.  I need to get unit down some before I can proceed
with rigging adjustment.  
I
can of course go to Amel here in Le Marin. But I would like
to better understand the thruster.  
Ben 
Ben
and Gayle La Bella Vita
 SM2 #347Le Marin


































































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

Agree.

Bill ROUSE

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar
uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Good morning Ian,

Yes the Calpeda Water pump works as the other air conditioning units work,
and I believe this is a loop from 1 unit to another then out at the bow on
the port side.

Yes the main boat breaker and the shore power trip instantly when
electricity go to the unit. If I disconnect the harness going to the
compressor, it does not trip the power.

Yes the other air conditioning work.

I am very reluctant using the generator to try to run the faulty air
conditioning as I don’t want to risk another control board.

I already testes and changed the capacitors…

I am afraid it is a short in the compressor…

Thanks again for your help…
In a couple of weeks, likely to go back to Sint Maarten and have a proper
Climma tech doing the trouble shooting…

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Thu, 6/29/17, Ian Shepherd sv_freespirit@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, June 29, 2017, 8:07 AM
















Hi Alexandre,
I take it that you have checked the obvious? Does the
Klima a/c
water pump send cooling water through to the outlet on
the forward
port side of the hull? If the pump motor is not
running then the
CB will trip after a few seconds. I recently went
though this. At
first I thought the motor/pump had seized up and
needed the turn
with screwdriver treatment. But in my case it was the
10uF run
capacitor that had fallen to 6.37 uF . Changing this
for a new one
restored normal working.
If the breaker trips immediately then it is likely to
be
something else. I take it that the other a/c units
work normally?
If not, it may be associated with the cooling motor.
Try tripping
the Eau de Mer breaker in the engine room. Then start
the genset
and select the suspect a/c unit to on. If the breaker
trips after
about 20 seconds or so, then it is likely to be a
cooling motor
fault. Maybe the run capacitor is short circuit?
Disconnect the
two wires that disappear into the motor itself.
Measure the
resistance. It should be around 38 ohms. If your test
meter
measures capacitance, check the actual capacitance of
the
capacitor under the lid. You must disconnect it first.
If it is
not 10 uF then best to change it.
Apologies if you have already been through this, but
I have only
just seen the thread.
Good luck
Ian Shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader Marmaris Turkey




On 29/06/2017 11:40,
Alexandre Uster
von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] wrote:





Good morning Eric,



I am afraid the continuity feel over my skill
level at the
moment…



Going to contact Titan Marine and Rob Marine
both in Saint
Maarten recommended by Coastal Climate
Control, then
likely will sail back to Saint Maarten.



Hopefully as Bill mentioned, the compressor
can be
changed…



I have not tried to tap the compressor with a
soft mallet,
as when it is connected it trips the power.
(If I
disconnect its harness then the power does not
trip).



Have a great trip!



Sincerely Alexandre




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On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse
& marina

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 11:08 PM

























Hi Alexandre,

Continuity means that if you are using a

multimeter set to ohms. If you touch the
two leads

together you read 0 that means there is a very
good

connection between the leads that is
continuity. If you

have the compressor disconnected and touch
one lead to
one

of the two power wires and the case of the
compressor on a

shiny area and the meter reads 0 you have a
short in the

compressor.



Climate control only sells parts to the two
operations

in St Maarten.The Climma company near the
bridge

perma frost has an extremely bad reputation
and I have had

experience with them. Enertech also wanted to
build me a

new evaporator for one of my freezers for
$600- years ago

and the evaporator cost me $150 from Climate
control. You

might ask at Budget marine or Island water
world for a

recommendation.



The dometic air conditioner is almost a do it
yourself

installation without almost any modifications
to the

system.

If the compressor is shorted it is more
economical to

replace the whole unit as it is old and
something else
might

go bad.

Did you try tapping the compressor with a soft
mallet

and then seeing if it will start.

Good luck.



























































----- Original Message -----

From:

"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

[amelyachtowners]"

Date: Wednesday,

June 28, 2017 5:07 pm

Subject: Re: [Amel

Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
Tripping 220 Volt

Panel Fuse & marina

To:

amelyachtowners@...



Good afternoon Eric,


I checked the small capacitors as well
as the large ones.

I am not sure what means “measure
the

continuity to the

compressor case”.


When I plug the air conditioning: it
trips the power.

If I disconnect the
wires in the harness going to the

compressor, then it doesn’t trip.



So by “having a bad compressor”
does it means that I need a new

one?
Or can it be rebuilt?

According to Climate Control, they are
2

Climma Marine person in

Sint Maarten,
I will contact them, then likely go back
there.

Thanks for the info
on the Dometic 10. Will it also power the

Calpeda cooling pump? Or does it
required

modifications…

Sincerely, Alexandre


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On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]

wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning

Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina

To:
amelyachtowners@...

Date:
Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 12:34 PM

Alexandre,
I am leaving the first bridge
tomorrow.

I would check the 3 small capacitors
that

run the

fan.
I
guess you checked the 2 big ones that work
with the

compressor.
did you measure the continuity to the
compressor case

to the power leads of
the compressor?



I think you have a bad compressor
and bad fan

capacitors--remember there
is a time delay.

If you bring a AC tech
on board I think he will find

the
same. The other very obscure possibility is
that the

compressor is out of gas. However that
is

something that we

can not do. The
compressor gas is measured in ounces.



Fair Winds,
Eric

Sm 376
----- Original
Message -----
From:
"Alexandre

Uster von
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"


Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 10:45
am

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air

Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina

To:
amelyachtowners@...

Good morning Eric,
Since you
are

leaving in a little bit, making it
short:

Here is what I did:
I completely removed the unit (I
will

make an illustration later
on of the
removal process).

I connected the air conditioning
unit

in

the cockpit to a shore
power (this way
it won’t trip my boat all the time).

Here is what I find out:
When I
connect the harness going to the

compressor, the power

trips
right

away.
So I disconnected the harness

going to
the compressor and it did

not
trip.
In one of
your email, you

mention if there is a
short in the

compressor, then it is dead. Correct? Or is
there other

test

to do?


Also,
I did another test (not connecting

the
compressor harness)

but
connecting

the harness to the fan (and
control), the power

did not trip,
but the fan was not turning

(even
thought I was

measuring
electricity at the fan plug).
So looks
to me
the fan is also dead…

Some pictures of the above tests:
http://nikimat.com/air_conditioning_climma_marine_compact_9_eh_test.html

Thanks again,
sincerely, Alexandre



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On Wed, 6/28/17,
kimberlite@...

[amelyachtowners]

wrote:
Subject:
Re: [Amel

Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning

Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse &

marina
To:
amelyachtowners@...

Date:

Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 8:06
AM

Hi Alexandre,
I will be at sea either this afternoon
or
tomorrow..
Please reply to
WB2cwd@....

Fair winds,
Eric

-----
Original
Message
-----

From: "Alexandre
Uster von
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"


Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017
6:25

am

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Aft

Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To:
amelyachtowners@...



Good morning Bill &
Eric,
Thanks

for your continuous
support.
I will keep you posted of
what I find.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Tue, 6/27/17,
kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]

wrote:
Subject:

Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air

Conditioning

Tripping 220
Volt

Panel Fuse &
marina
To:

amelyachtowners@...

Date:
Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 5:21

PM




Bill,
Cant
Hurt.
Eric

----- Original
Message -----
From:
"'Bill &
Judy
Rouse'
yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"


Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017
5:58

pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht

Owners]
Aft

Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To:
"amelyachtowners@..."



Eric,
I would like to test
those capacitors...I think
that

they

might


charge when

power
goes to the control
unit. Of
course
his problem could be

anything,but I had his exact
problem and

changing out the


Compressor
RUN
Capacitor
(40uf) solved the
issue.

Bill
On Tue,
Jun 27,

2017 at 3:30 PM,
kimberlite@...


[amelyachtowners] wrote:
Bill,
when the
thermostat is in

the
neutral
position there is no AC
going
to

the
unit. Thus a bad
capacitor

would not make any
difference.

Fair
Winds,
Eric
-----
Original Message -----

From:
"'Bill & Judy
Rouse'
yahoogroups@...

[amelyachtowners]"

Date:

Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm

Subject:
Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Aft Cabin Air

Conditioning
Tripping 220
Volt Panel
Fuse & marina
To:

"amelyachtowners@..."

I
think Eric is right and I think
that the first
thing I

would
do is
replace the two capacitors
I

mentioned earlier.

Best,
Bill Rouse
On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at
11:30

AM,
kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners] wrote:
Alexandre,

with the switch
In
neutral
position the AC unit is off.
I
would suspect a
short in the wiring
somewhere.

it

could be
anywhere.

Good
luck,

Eric

----- Original
Message
-----
From:
"Alexandre
Uster von Baar
uster@...

[amelyachtowners]">
Date:
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:25 am

Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft

Cabin
Air Conditioning
Tripping
220
Volt Panel Fuse
& marina
To:
amelyachtowners@...
I run the
forward air conditioning without

problem.

As Eric
ask, I

switch on the Aft Air
Conditioning
with the
switch in
neutral position (neither cold
not

hot)

and


right away

the Ground Fault Interrupt
(GFI) breaker trip

(as well


as

the
marina).

What

does that tell you?

--------------------------------------------

On
Tue,

6/27/17,
kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]

wrote:
Subject:
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]

Aft
Cabin Air Conditioning
Tripping

220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina

To:
amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, June 27,
2017,

9:10

AM
Alexandre,

there is

a switch and
thermostat by
each AC unit. when
the
switch is in neutral
position does
the
breaker still
trip?

if not does it trip
when the switch

is in
the heat
position?
To
discharge
the

capacitor take a wire

with
insulated
alligator clips

put
one clip on the body
of the pump or
case
and the other clip to a lug
of

the

capacitor.
Fair winds,
Eric
-----
Original
Message

-----
From:
"Alexandre Uster von
Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, June 27,
2017

7:55
am

Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht
Owners] Aft

Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt

Panel Fuse &

marina
To:
amelyachtowners@...

Good
morning

John, Mark,
Eric and

Francisco and thank you for
your replies,
Based on what
you
wrote, I suspect a short and a

dead

compressor…
Going to test the Capacitors,
but how to

“discharge
them”
prior
to
testing?
Eric, I

did
not
really
understand
the:

“if
the AC switch is off

at the
thermostat
does it still trip the
breaker?”
Thanks in
advance,

sincerely,
Alexandre

--------------------------------------------

On

Mon,
6/26/17,

kimberlite@...

[amelyachtowners]
wrote:
Subject:
Re:
[Amel

Yacht
Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning

Tripping 220 Volt Panel
Fuse &

marina
To:

amelyachtowners@...
Date:
Monday,
June 26, 2017, 9:24
PM
Alexandre.
if the AC
switch
is
off at the

thermostat
does it
still
trip
the
breaker?
The
breaker on the AC panel side
is a
quick
blow

circuit breaker,
If
there is

a short
it will
trip

before the
diruptor.
If the AC is on at the
thermostat and
the circuit still trips the
breaker,
Check the

continuity of the compressor
to
ground. If

there is a short to
ground
the
compressor is
dead.
Fair

Winds,
Eric

sm 376

-----
Original

Message -----
From:
"Alexandre
Uster von

Baar
uster@...

[amelyachtowners]"
Date:
Monday,

June 26,
2017
5:19 pm
Subject: [Amel
Yacht

Owners] Aft
Cabin
Air
Conditioning
Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse & marina
To:
amelyachtowners@...

Good

afternoon,
Today, I hear
the
fuse of the 220 Volt
Panel

tripping
(the
one
behind
the
panel).

I
found out
the
fuse of
the

marina also

trip.
After running
tests,
the cause is the
Aft

Cabin
Air

Conditioning
(which I
have been
using non

stop for 9
days).
Running
the salon does
not trip anything.
What could
be the
cause?

How to
diagnostic
and
solve the issue?

Did I use too much
the
air conditioning?
How come the
Diruptor
did not
trip, but the
220 Volt Panel did?
How come I trip
the

marina
fuse?
Thanks in
advance.
Sincerely,

Alexandre

SM2K
#289
NIKIMAT

Port de
Gustavia,
Saint

Barthélémy,

FWI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster issues

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

OK, since you are in le Marin, you should see Amel.

Bill Rouse

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

It was pinned on initial passage to Sint Maarten and then to Le Marin.  But now pin will not go in because shaft is too far up.  I pulled pin to use at Le Marin but did not notice rigging issues or dangling sensor.  Using it  with inoperable sensor and rigging out of alignment allowed unit to jam - I think.

Ben 

Ben Driver
S/V La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:02 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Ben,

Was the bow thruster pinned in the UP position for the passage?

If it were me, I would go to Amel in le Marin for them to adjust. You may have burned up the actuator motor that lifts and lowers.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550







On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 7:54 AM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

After a particularly rough passage from Virgin Gorda to Sint Maarten, I noticed a good deal of water under floorboard outside forward head.  I know from  this forum that it was from thruster.  Thruster had been removed and serviced last October while on the hard and leaked not one drop.  In any event I used my Amel in the water tool to remove unit for inspection.  I found that both external foam gaskets were in place and not deformed as was inside gasket.  And shaft seal was firmly in place.  I re-installed  unit and proceeded to Le Marin - where I'm now berthed.  Again more water but now I think I know why. 


Apparently the clamp that holds sensor labeled "H" -which I believe controls upward stop position - broke.  (Sensor is hanging free by its connection). This cased thruster to move way too far up and then not far enough down which eventually mal adjust ed the rigging.  After using then thruster when  I arrived into Le marin the unit came up and stuck in the up position. It will now not move up or down.  Top cable is extremely tight pulling thruster to a point above safety pin hole so pin cannot be inserted.  Lower downward pull cable is extremely loose.  All this indicates rigging much out of alignment.  When I switch on the unit all three sensors - H, B, and SP - light up when switches are flipped but no movement.  


My question --- Is there a breaker or fuse on the up/down jack motor?  My control box and sensors have power but I cannot get motor movement down.  I need to get unit down some before I can proceed with rigging adjustment.  


I can of course go to Amel here in Le Marin. But I would like to better understand the thruster.  


Ben 


Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita  

SM2 #347

Le Marin




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster issues

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Thanks Alex
Ben 

Ben and Gayle 
S/V La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good morning Ben,

On my SM2K, and I am pretty sure on yours too, there is a fuse, it is in the little black box, pictures will help you:
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_sensor.html

I hope this will solve your problem.
Remember (that in the event the sensors are not working) you can always control the up and down of the bow thruster from the forward cabin.
In short, switch off (like if you were sailing) the bow thruster (using the switch where you put the pin in).
Go to the cockpit and pick either up or down (depending on what you want).
Go back to the forward cabin, then activate the switch, now the bow thruster will go down and stop (using that switch) in the desired position.
Then go back to the cockpit and put everything in neutral.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 6/29/17, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster issues
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, June 29, 2017, 7:54 AM


 









After a particularly rough passage
from Virgin Gorda to Sint Maarten, I noticed a good deal of
water under floorboard outside forward head.  I know from
 this forum that it was from thruster.  Thruster had been
removed and serviced last October while on the hard and
leaked not one drop.  In any event I used my Amel in the
water tool to remove unit for inspection.  I found that
both external foam gaskets were in place and not deformed as
was inside gasket.  And shaft seal was firmly in place.  I
re-installed  unit and proceeded to Le Marin - where
I'm now berthed.  Again more water but now I think I
know why. 
Apparently the clamp that
holds sensor labeled "H" -which I believe controls
upward stop position - broke.  (Sensor is hanging free by
its connection). This cased thruster to move way too far up
and then not far enough down which eventually mal adjusted
the rigging.  After using then thruster when  I arrived
into Le marin the unit came up and stuck in the up position.
It will now not move up or down.  Top cable is extremely
tight pulling thruster to a point above safety pin hole so
pin cannot be inserted.  Lower downward pull cable is
extremely loose.  All this indicates rigging much out of
alignment.  When I switch on the unit all three sensors -
H, B, and SP - light up when switches are flipped but no
movement.  
My question --- Is there a
breaker or fuse on the up/down jack motor?  My control
box and sensors have power but I cannot get motor movement
down.  I need to get unit down some before I can proceed
with rigging adjustment.  
I
can of course go to Amel here in Le Marin. But I would like
to better understand the thruster.  
Ben 
Ben
and Gayle La Bella Vita SM2 #347Le
Marin




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Ian,

Yes the Calpeda Water pump works as the other air conditioning units work, and I believe this is a loop from 1 unit to another then out at the bow on the port side.

Yes the main boat breaker and the shore power trip instantly when electricity go to the unit. If I disconnect the harness going to the compressor, it does not trip the power.

Yes the other air conditioning work.

I am very reluctant using the generator to try to run the faulty air conditioning as I don’t want to risk another control board.

I already testes and changed the capacitors…

I am afraid it is a short in the compressor…

Thanks again for your help…
In a couple of weeks, likely to go back to Sint Maarten and have a proper Climma tech doing the trouble shooting…

Sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 6/29/17, Ian Shepherd sv_freespirit@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, June 29, 2017, 8:07 AM


 












Hi Alexandre,
I take it that you have checked the obvious? Does the
Klima a/c
water pump send cooling water through to the outlet on
the forward
port side of the hull? If the pump motor is not
running then the
CB will trip after a few seconds. I recently went
though this. At
first I thought the motor/pump had seized up and
needed the turn
with screwdriver treatment. But in my case it was the
10uF run
capacitor that had fallen to 6.37 uF . Changing this
for a new one
restored normal working.
If the breaker trips immediately then it is likely to
be
something else. I take it that the other a/c units
work normally?
If not, it may be associated with the cooling motor.
Try tripping
the Eau de Mer breaker in the engine room. Then start
the genset
and select the suspect a/c unit to on. If the breaker
trips after
about 20 seconds or so, then it is likely to be a
cooling motor
fault. Maybe the run capacitor is short circuit?
Disconnect the
two wires that disappear into the motor itself.
Measure the
resistance. It should be around 38 ohms. If your test
meter
measures capacitance, check the actual capacitance of
the
capacitor under the lid. You must disconnect it first.
If it is
not 10 uF then best to change it.
Apologies if you have already been through this, but
I have only
just seen the thread.
Good luck
Ian Shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader Marmaris Turkey




On 29/06/2017 11:40,
Alexandre Uster
von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] wrote:


 


Good morning Eric,



I am afraid the continuity feel over my skill
level at the
moment…



Going to contact Titan Marine and Rob Marine
both in Saint
Maarten recommended by Coastal Climate
Control, then
likely will sail back to Saint Maarten.



Hopefully as Bill mentioned, the compressor
can be
changed…



I have not tried to tap the compressor with a
soft mallet,
as when it is connected it trips the power.
(If I
disconnect its harness then the power does not
trip).



Have a great trip!



Sincerely Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse
& marina

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 11:08 PM





 



















Hi Alexandre,

Continuity means that if you are using a

multimeter set to ohms. If  you touch the
two leads

together you read 0 that means there is a very
good

connection between the leads that is
continuity. If you

have the compressor disconnected  and touch
one lead to
one

of the two power wires and the case of the
compressor on a

shiny area and the meter reads 0 you have a
short in the

compressor.

 

Climate control only sells parts to the two
operations

in St Maarten.The Climma company near the
bridge

perma frost has an extremely bad reputation
and I have had

experience with them. Enertech also wanted to
build me a

new evaporator for one of my freezers for
$600-  years ago

and the evaporator cost me $150 from Climate
control. You

might ask at Budget marine or Island water
world for a

recommendation.

 

The dometic air conditioner is almost a do it
yourself

installation without almost any modifications
to the

system.

If the compressor is shorted it is more
economical to

replace the whole unit as it is old and
something else
might

go bad.

Did you try tapping the compressor with a soft
mallet

and then seeing if it will start.

Good luck.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From:

"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

[amelyachtowners]"

Date: Wednesday,

June 28, 2017 5:07 pm

Subject: Re: [Amel

Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
Tripping 220 Volt

Panel Fuse & marina

To:

amelyachtowners@...



> Good afternoon Eric,

>



> I checked the small capacitors as well

as the large ones.

>

> I am not sure what means “measure
the

continuity to the

> compressor case”.



> When I plug the air conditioning: it

trips the power.

> If I disconnect the

wires in the harness going to the

>

compressor, then it doesn’t trip.

>



> So by “having a bad compressor”

does it means that I need a new

> one?

Or can it be rebuilt?

>

> According to Climate Control, they are
2

Climma Marine person in

> Sint Maarten,

I will contact them, then likely go back
there.

>

> Thanks for the info

on the Dometic 10. Will it also power the

> Calpeda cooling pump? Or does it
required

modifications…

>

>

Sincerely, Alexandre

>

>

>

>

>

>


--------------------------------------------

> On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@...

[amelyachtowners]

> wrote:

>

> Subject: Re: [Amel

Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning

> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &

marina

> To:

amelyachtowners@...

> Date:

Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 12:34 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Alexandre,

> I am leaving the first bridge
tomorrow.

> I would check the 3 small capacitors
that

run the

> fan.

> I

guess you checked the 2 big ones that work
with the

> compressor.

>  

> did you measure the continuity to the

compressor case

> to the power leads of

the compressor?

>  

>

 

> I think you have a bad compressor

and bad fan

> capacitors--remember there

is a time delay.

> If you bring a AC tech

on board I think he will find

> the

same.  The other very obscure possibility is
that the

> compressor is out of gas. However that
is

something that we

> can not do. The

compressor gas is measured in ounces.

>

 

> Fair Winds,

>

Eric

> Sm 376

>  

>

> ----- Original

> Message -----

> From:

"Alexandre

> Uster von

>

Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"


> Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 10:45
am

> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft

Cabin Air

> Conditioning Tripping 220

Volt Panel Fuse & marina

> To:

amelyachtowners@...

>

> > Good morning Eric,

> >

> > Since you

are

> leaving in a little bit, making it

short:

> > Here is what I did:

> >

>

> > I completely removed the unit (I

will

> make an illustration later

> > on of the

>

removal process).

> >

> > I connected the air conditioning
unit

in

> the cockpit to a shore

> > power (this way

>

it won’t trip my boat all the time).

>

>

> Here is what I find out:

> >

> > When I

connect the harness going to the

>

compressor, the power

> > trips

right

> away.

> >

So I disconnected the harness

> going to

the compressor and it did

> > not

> trip.

> > In one of

your email, you

> mention if there is a

short in the

> >

>

compressor, then it is dead. Correct? Or is
there other

test

>

> > to do?



> >

> > Also,

I did another test (not connecting

> the

compressor harness)

> > but

connecting

> the harness to the fan (and

control), the power

> > did not trip,

but the fan was not turning

> (even

thought I was

> > measuring

> electricity at the fan plug).

> > So looks

> to me

the fan is also dead…

> >

> > Some pictures of the above tests:

> >

>

>

http://nikimat.com/air_conditioning_climma_marine_compact_9_eh_test.html

>

> > Thanks again,

> sincerely, Alexandre

>

>

> >

> >



> >

> >

>


--------------------------------------------

> > On Wed, 6/28/17,

kimberlite@...

>

[amelyachtowners]

> > wrote:

> >

> > Subject:

Re: [Amel

> Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air

Conditioning

> > Tripping 220 Volt

Panel Fuse &

> marina

> > To:

>

amelyachtowners@...

> >

Date:

> Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 8:06

AM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Alexandre,

>

> I will be at sea either this afternoon

> or

> > tomorrow..

> >

> Please reply to

WB2cwd@....

> >

> Fair winds,

> >

Eric

> >

>

> >

> > -----

> Original

> > Message

-----

> > From: "Alexandre

> >

> Uster von

> >

>

Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"


> > Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017
6:25

am

> > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht

Owners] Aft

> Cabin Air

> > Conditioning Tripping 220

> Volt Panel Fuse & marina

> > To:

>

amelyachtowners@...

> >



> > > Good morning Bill &

> > Eric,

> > >

Thanks

> for your continuous

> > support.

> >

> I will keep you posted of

> >

what I find.

> > >

> Sincerely, Alexandre

>

> >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

> >

>


--------------------------------------------

> > > On Tue, 6/27/17,

> kimberlite@...

> >

>

[amelyachtowners]

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > >

Subject:

> Re:

> >

[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air

>

Conditioning

> > > Tripping 220

Volt

> Panel Fuse &

> > marina

> > >

To:

> >

>

amelyachtowners@...

> >

>

> Date:

> >

Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 5:21

> PM

> > >

> > >



> > >  

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >



> > >

> >

>

> > >

>

> > Bill,

> > > Cant

> Hurt.

> > >

Eric

> >

> >

> > > ----- Original

> > > Message -----

> >

> > From:

> > "'Bill &

> > > Judy

>

>

> Rouse'

>

> >

> >

>

yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"


> > > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017

5:58

> pm

> > >

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht

> Owners]

Aft

> > Cabin Air

>

> > Conditioning Tripping 220

>

> Volt Panel Fuse & marina

> >

> To:

> >

>

"amelyachtowners@..."

> > >

> > >



> > > > Eric,

> > >

> >

> > > > I would like to test

> > > those capacitors...I think
that

they

> might

> >



> > > >

>

charge when

> > >

> >

> > power

> > > goes to the control

> unit. Of

> > course

his problem could be

>

> > > >

>

>

> anything,but I had his exact

problem and

> > > changing out the



> > >

> >

> Compressor

> RUN

> > > Capacitor

>

>

> > > (40uf) solved the

issue.

> > >

>

>

> > > > Bill

> > > >

> >

> >

>

> >

> >

> > >

> > On Tue,

> >

Jun 27,

> > > 2017 at 3:30 PM,

> >

>

kimberlite@...


> > >

>

> > [amelyachtowners] wrote:

> > > >

> >

> >

> >

>

> > >

> >

> >

> > > >

> Bill,

> > > > > when the

thermostat is in

> the

> > neutral

> >

>

> position there is no AC

> > > >

> going

to

> > > the

>

>

> > > > unit. Thus a bad

capacitor

> > > would not make any

difference.

> > > > >

> > >

> Fair

> > Winds,

> >

>

> > > Eric

> > > > >

>

> > > >

> >

> -----

> > >

Original Message -----

> > > >

> From:

> >

>

>

> > "'Bill & Judy

> Rouse'

> >

yahoogroups@...

> > >

> >

>

[amelyachtowners]"

> > >

>

> >

> >

Date:

> > >

>

Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm

> >

>

> > >

>

> > Subject:

> > Re: [Amel Yacht

Owners] Aft Cabin Air

> Conditioning

> > >

> >

> > > Tripping 220

> > > >

>

>

> > > Volt Panel

> > Fuse & marina

> >

> > > >

To:

> > >

>

>

>

"amelyachtowners@..."

> > > > >

>

> >

> > >

> > > I

> >

> > think Eric is right and I think

> >

> that the first

thing I

> > > would

> > > > > > do is

> > >

> > >

> >

> replace the two capacitors

I

> > >

>

mentioned earlier.

> > >

> > > > >

>

> >

> > > > Best,

> > > > >

>

> > >

> > > >

> > > Bill Rouse

>

> > > >

> >

> > > >

>

>

> > >

>

> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at

>

11:30

> > AM,

>

> >

> kimberlite@...

> > > > >

>

>

> > >

>

>

> [amelyachtowners] wrote:

> > > >

>

>

> > >

>

> >

> > > > >

> > > > >

>

> > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

Alexandre,

> > > > > >

> with the switch

> In

> > neutral

> >

>

> position the AC unit is off.

> > I

> > > >

>

> > >

>

>

> > would suspect a

> > > > > > >

> > > short in the wiring
somewhere.

it

> could be

> >

anywhere.

> >

>

> > > > > Good

> >

luck,

> > > > > > >

Eric

> > > >

> > > >

>

>

> > >

>

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > ----- Original

>

> Message

> > > -----

> > >

> >

> > > > > From:

> > > "Alexandre

> >

> Uster von Baar

uster@...

> >

> >

> > > >

>

> [amelyachtowners]">

> > > Date:

>

Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:25 am

> >

>

> >

> >

> > > >

> > Subject: Re:

[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft

> Cabin

> > > Air Conditioning

> > > >

> >

> >

> Tripping

>

> > 220

> >

>

> > > > > Volt Panel Fuse

> > > & marina

> >

> > >

> > > > > To:

> > >

> >

> amelyachtowners@...

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

> >

>

> > > > > I run the

>

>

> >

> >

forward air conditioning without

>

problem.

> > > > > >

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> > > >

> > > As Eric

ask, I

> switch on the Aft Air

> > > Conditioning

> with the

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

> > > > switch in

> > neutral position (neither cold
not

hot)

> and

> > >



> > >

> >

right away

> > > > >

> > > > >

>

> >

> the Ground Fault Interrupt

(GFI) breaker trip

> > > (as well



> > >

> >

as

> > the

> >

>

> >

> >

> > >

> > > >

marina).

> >

> >

> > >

> > > > >

What

> does that tell you?

> > > > >

>

> > > >

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> >

>

> > >

>

>

> >

> >

>


--------------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > On

Tue,

> > 6/27/17,

>

> >

> kimberlite@...

> >

>

[amelyachtowners]

> > > > >

>

> >

> >

> wrote:

> >

>

> > > > > >

> >

>

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > Subject:

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]

> Aft

> > > Cabin Air Conditioning

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > >

Tripping

> 220 Volt Panel Fuse &

marina

> > >

>

> > > > > To:

> >

>

> amelyachtowners@...

> > >

> >

>

> > > > >

> > > Date: Tuesday, June 27,
2017,

9:10

> AM

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

>

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > >

>

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> > >

>

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> >

> >

Alexandre,

> >

>

> > > > > >

> >

there is

> a switch and

> > > thermostat by

> > each AC unit. when

> >

> > >

>

> > > > > > the

> switch is in neutral

>

> position does

> the

> > > breaker still

> > > > > > > >

trip?

> > > if not does it trip

when the switch

> is in

> > the heat

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> position?

> > > > > > > >

> To

> > discharge

the

> >

> >

capacitor take a wire

> > with

> insulated

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

alligator clips

> put

> > one clip on the body

> > > of the pump or

> >

> case

> > > > > > > >

> > > and the other clip to a lug
of

the

> > capacitor.

> > > >

> >

> > >

> > Fair winds,

> > > > > > > >

> > Eric

> > >

> >

> > > > -----

> > Original

>

Message

> > > -----

> >

> > > >

> > > From:

> >

> > "Alexandre Uster von

> > >

> > >

>

> > > >

> > > Baar uster@...

> > >

> >

> [amelyachtowners]"

> > > > >

>

>

> > >

>

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, June 27,

2017

> > 7:55

>

am

> > > > > > >

>

> > Subject: Re: [Amel

> >

> > Yacht

Owners] Aft

> > Cabin Air

> > > > > >

> >

> > > >

Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt

> >

Panel Fuse &

> > >

> marina

> > > >

> > > >

> To:

> > >

>

amelyachtowners@...

> >

>

> > >

>

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

>

> > > >

> > > Good

morning

> John, Mark,

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > >

Eric and

> Francisco and thank you for

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> > > >

>

> > > > your replies,

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> > > >

>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > Based on what

> > you

> > >

wrote, I suspect a short and a

> >

dead

> > > >

> > > >

> >

> >

> > > compressor…

> > >

> >

>

> > > > >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

>

> > Going to test the Capacitors,

but how to

> > > > > >

> >

> “discharge

> > them”

> >

> prior

> > >

> >

> > > >

> > > to

> > > testing?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

> > > >

Eric, I

> > did

>

> > not

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> really

> > > understand

the:

> >

> “if

the AC switch is off

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> > at the

> thermostat

> > >

> >

> does it still trip the

> > > > >

>

>

> > >

>

> >

> > breaker?”

> > > > > >

> > >

> > >

>

> > > > > >

> >

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

> >

> > Thanks in

advance,

> > > sincerely,

> >

> Alexandre

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

>

> >

> > >

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

> >

>

> > > > >

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

> >

> > >

> >

>


--------------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >
>

On

> Mon,

> >

6/26/17,

> > >

>

kimberlite@...

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> >

> >

>

> [amelyachtowners]

> > > >

>

> >

> >

>

> > >

>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

> > > > >

>

> >

> >

> > Subject:

> > > Re:

> > > > > > > >

[Amel

> Yacht

> >

> Owners] Aft Cabin Air

>

Conditioning

> > > > >

> > > > >

>

> >

> > Tripping 220 Volt Panel

Fuse &

> >

>

> > > > > > marina

>

>

> > > > > > > >

To:

> >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> amelyachtowners@...

> > >

> >

>

> > > > >

> > > > Date:

>

> >

> > > >

> > > > > Monday,

> June 26, 2017, 9:24

>

> PM

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > Alexandre.

> > > >

> >

> > >

> > > if the AC

> switch

> > > is

off at the

> > thermostat

> > > >

> >

> >

> > > > does it

> still

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > > > trip

> the

> > breaker?

> > >

> > >

> >

> > > > > The

> breaker on the AC panel side

> > is a

> > >

> > > > > quick

> >

blow

> > > > >

> > > > >

>

> circuit breaker,

> > > If

there is

> > >

>

> > > > > a short

> >

>

> it will

> >

> > >

> > > > > >

trip

> > > before the

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > diruptor.

> If the AC is on at the

> > > >

>

>

> > > > >

> > > >

> >

> >

> > > > >

> > > thermostat and

> the circuit still trips the

> > breaker,

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

Check the

> > >

> continuity of the compressor

> > to

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

ground. If

> > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> there is a short to

> >

> ground

> > > >

> > > >

> the

> > compressor is

>

>

> > dead.

>

> > > > > >

> > >

Fair

> > > Winds,

> > > > > >

> >

> > > >

Eric

> > > > > >

> >

> > > >

sm 376

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> >

> >

> > > > > >

> > -----

>

Original

> > > > > >

>

> >

> >

> Message -----

> > > > >

> >

> > > > From:

> > >

> > >

> >

> > >

> "Alexandre

> >

> > > >

> > > > >

Uster von

> > > > > >

> >

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

> >

> > Baar

> > >

>

uster@...

> >

> [amelyachtowners]"

> > > > >

>

>

> > > > > Date:

Monday,

> > > June 26,

> > 2017

> 5:19 pm

> > > > > > >

> > > > > Subject: [Amel

Yacht

> Owners] Aft

>

> Cabin

> >

>

> > > > > > Air

> >

>

> > > > > > >

> >

> Conditioning

> > > Tripping 220 Volt

> > > > > > > >

> > > Panel Fuse & marina

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > >

> To:

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

amelyachtowners@...

> >

>

> > >

>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> > > > >

Good

> afternoon,

>

> > > > >

> > >

>

> > >

>

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > >

> > > >

> >

>

> > > > > >

> > > Today, I hear

> >

> the

> > > > > > > >

> > > > fuse of the 220 Volt

Panel

> tripping

>

> (the

> > >

> > > > > > one

> > > >

> >

> > > > > behind

> >

> the

> > >

panel).

> >

> >

>

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > I

> > >

> > >

> > > > found out

> >

> > the

> > >

> > >

> > > > fuse of

the

> >

> >

marina also

> > trip.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

>

> >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > > After running

> >

> tests,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > the cause is the

Aft

> Cabin

> >

Air

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> Conditioning

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > (which I

> > > have been

>

> >

> > > > > >

using non

> > >

> stop for 9

> > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > days).

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> >

> > > > >

> > >

>

> > Running

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> the salon does

> > >

> not trip anything.

>

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

>

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

>

> > What could

> > > >

> > > > be the

> > >

cause?

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > How to

> >

> diagnostic

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > and

solve the issue?

> > >

> > > > >

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >
>

> > > > Did I use too much

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > >

> the

> air conditioning?

> > > >

> >

>

> > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> >

> > > > How come the

> > >

> > >

> >

> > >

> > > > Diruptor

> > did not

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > trip, but the

> 220 Volt Panel did?

>

> > >

> > > > >

>

> >

> >

> >

> > > > > >

> > > > > How come I trip
the

> marina

> > fuse?

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > > > Thanks in

> advance.

> > >

>

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > >

>

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> > >

>

Sincerely,

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

Alexandre

> > > > > > >

>

> > > SM2K

> > #289

> > >

NIKIMAT

> > >

>

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > Port de

> >

> Gustavia,

Saint

> > > > > >

> >

> > > >

Barthélémy,

> > >

> > > > >

>

> >

> > > > FWI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Ben,

10.000 BTU would be too much for me… I already put on the “warmest” with my 8.000 BTU and still too cold.

I wish the price I received was $1500…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI



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On Thu, 6/29/17, @JoeDoakes [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, June 29, 2017, 8:05 AM


 









AlexLa Bella Vita's rear cabin AC was
replaced five years ago with a 10K BTU Marine Air unit.
There were no issues with the install and it works perfectly
with other original units and pump.  I'm told by
previous owner unit cost $1500 dollars and $300 to install
at that time.  By the way, a 10k unit will freeze you out
of rear cabin.  We usually set thermostat high to prevent
ice😊
Ben
Ben and Gayle La Bella
Vita SM2 #347Le Marin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Duane,

Coastal Climate Control says that it is ok to run their 50 Hz air conditioning on 60 Hz, just will burn more often the capacitors.

I don’t know about the Dometic one, since Eric has one, he can answer when he uses shore power (often 60 Hz) or his generator (50 Hz).


Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI





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On Thu, 6/29/17, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, June 29, 2017, 7:57 AM


 









From Alexandres photo, the unit is marked 220V
50hz, yet we can plug these into US power at 60 hz.  I just
find it odd that they don't mark it with both
frequencies...or did Amel modify it somehow?
The Dometic system that Eric
mentions must have the same 50/60hz ability, but on the web
site they list different units for 50hz vs 60hz, there
isn't one that will handle either
frequency.
I
understand some appliances are not frequency sensitive, but
I thought a compressor would be?
Just curious...

DuaneWanderer,
SM#477.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Switches in the walk-through on a Maramu

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Jacob,

if turning the black handle does not cut the battery negative, this means it has been neutralized. However, you must have a way to turn off the negative, in case the positive breaker is out of order and there is an emergency that requires power OFF.
Indeed, if all 6 batteries are connected together, then CHARGE, SECOURS and NORMAL will be the same.
If you keep it like this, and install a separate battery for the engine, which is a good solution (just like a Super Maramu), then you could also replace the 4 position breaker with a dual pole breaker, turning off both 12V negative and positive of the service batteries.
The new engine battery could also be installed with a dual pole breaker.
You will also connect one of the alternators to the starter battery and the seconsd alternator to the 6 service batteries.
You should connect the battery charger only to the service batteries, the satretr battery being charged as soon as the engine is started (just like in a car).

Good luck.


On Thursday, June 29, 2017 3:53 AM, "jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Thanks Olivier!  

So what effect should it have to turn the black one?  It doesn't seem to have any effect at all.

I didn't even notice that the switch in the middle had a fourth label, but sure enough, there it is: "ARRETE."  And sure enough it does cut all 12v power in the boat.  

You're correct, the 6 batteries are wired together in one bank as of now.  I have replaced the batteries but have not yet altered any of the wiring.  So with them wired together, are CHARGE and SECOURS effectively all the same thing?  

On that topic, I'm thinking of keep the 6 together as a larger house bank and adding a new starter battery, for which I'd add a new box in the forward, starboard corner of the engine compartment.  Would you see any issue with that?  

All the best, 
Jacob Champness
Lark, Maramu #202
St Martin





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster issues

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

It was pinned on initial passage to Sint Maarten and then to Le Marin.  But now pin will not go in because shaft is too far up.  I pulled pin to use at Le Marin but did not notice rigging issues or dangling sensor.  Using it  with inoperable sensor and rigging out of alignment allowed unit to jam - I think.

Ben 

Ben Driver
S/V La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:02 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,

Was the bow thruster pinned in the UP position for the passage?

If it were me, I would go to Amel in le Marin for them to adjust. You may have burned up the actuator motor that lifts and lowers.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550







On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 7:54 AM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

After a particularly rough passage from Virgin Gorda to Sint Maarten, I noticed a good deal of water under floorboard outside forward head.  I know from  this forum that it was from thruster.  Thruster had been removed and serviced last October while on the hard and leaked not one drop.  In any event I used my Amel in the water tool to remove unit for inspection.  I found that both external foam gaskets were in place and not deformed as was inside gasket.  And shaft seal was firmly in place.  I re-installed  unit and proceeded to Le Marin - where I'm now berthed.  Again more water but now I think I know why. 


Apparently the clamp that holds sensor labeled "H" -which I believe controls upward stop position - broke.  (Sensor is hanging free by its connection). This cased thruster to move way too far up and then not far enough down which eventually mal adjust ed the rigging.  After using then thruster when  I arrived into Le marin the unit came up and stuck in the up position. It will now not move up or down.  Top cable is extremely tight pulling thruster to a point above safety pin hole so pin cannot be inserted.  Lower downward pull cable is extremely loose.  All this indicates rigging much out of alignment.  When I switch on the unit all three sensors - H, B, and SP - light up when switches are flipped but no movement.  


My question --- Is there a breaker or fuse on the up/down jack motor?  My control box and sensors have power but I cannot get motor movement down.  I need to get unit down some before I can proceed with rigging adjustment.  


I can of course go to Amel here in Le Marin. But I would like to better understand the thruster.  


Ben 


Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita  

SM2 #347

Le Marin



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Duane,

The Climma Compact units can be operated at 220 50 or 60htz. 

I believe that they are not marked that way because they function and perform as designed at 50htz. There are no microprocessors in the Climma Compact that would be adversely affected by 60htz...the only change when running on 60htz is the speed of motors: fan and compressor. Therefore, the Climma Compact units can be operated at 220 50 or 60htz, as stated in our Amel Manuals.

The other side of the coin is that those other brand AC units that are "marked" 50/60htz normally do not publish difference performance specs for each frequency.

I assume Climma wants to be pure in their labeling and performance specifications. I believe most experts agree that Climma is the best AC system that you can buy, whether you own an Amel or a 100 meter superyacht.

There was no Amel modification on SM 387 and I assume the answer to your question is no.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550












On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 7:57 AM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

From Alexandres photo, the unit is marked 220V 50hz, yet we can plug these into US power at 60 hz.  I just find it odd that they don't mark it with both frequencies...or did Amel modify it somehow?


The Dometic system that Eric mentions must have the same 50/60hz ability, but on the web site they list different units for 50hz vs 60hz, there isn't one that will handle either frequency.

I understand some appliances are not frequency sensitive, but I thought a compressor would be?

Just curious...

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Duane Siegfri
 

To close the loop on my question concerning frequency, there is a thread entitled "Climma A/C 220v/50Hz" from Feb 2010 that discusses it.  According to the thread the Climma units are not marketed as dual frequency, but we're using them that way. The downside (according to that thread) is more frequent failure of the capacitors (possibly).  The compressor will run faster on the 60 hz and perhaps cause more wear.

Since the genny is 50hz one would want to continue with a 50hz AC unit.  Anyone know if Climma is uniquely designed to be more amenable to 60hz power or will they all be fine?

Duane



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster issues

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Ben,

On my SM2K, and I am pretty sure on yours too, there is a fuse, it is in the little black box, pictures will help you:
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_sensor.html

I hope this will solve your problem.
Remember (that in the event the sensors are not working) you can always control the up and down of the bow thruster from the forward cabin.
In short, switch off (like if you were sailing) the bow thruster (using the switch where you put the pin in).
Go to the cockpit and pick either up or down (depending on what you want).
Go back to the forward cabin, then activate the switch, now the bow thruster will go down and stop (using that switch) in the desired position.
Then go back to the cockpit and put everything in neutral.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI





--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 6/29/17, @JoeDoakes [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster issues
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, June 29, 2017, 7:54 AM


 









After a particularly rough passage
from Virgin Gorda to Sint Maarten, I noticed a good deal of
water under floorboard outside forward head.  I know from
 this forum that it was from thruster.  Thruster had been
removed and serviced last October while on the hard and
leaked not one drop.  In any event I used my Amel in the
water tool to remove unit for inspection.  I found that
both external foam gaskets were in place and not deformed as
was inside gasket.  And shaft seal was firmly in place.  I
re-installed  unit and proceeded to Le Marin - where
I'm now berthed.  Again more water but now I think I
know why. 
Apparently the clamp that
holds sensor labeled "H" -which I believe controls
upward stop position - broke.  (Sensor is hanging free by
its connection). This cased thruster to move way too far up
and then not far enough down which eventually mal adjusted
the rigging.  After using then thruster when  I arrived
into Le marin the unit came up and stuck in the up position.
It will now not move up or down.  Top cable is extremely
tight pulling thruster to a point above safety pin hole so
pin cannot be inserted.  Lower downward pull cable is
extremely loose.  All this indicates rigging much out of
alignment.  When I switch on the unit all three sensors -
H, B, and SP - light up when switches are flipped but no
movement.  
My question --- Is there a
breaker or fuse on the up/down jack motor?  My control
box and sensors have power but I cannot get motor movement
down.  I need to get unit down some before I can proceed
with rigging adjustment.  
I
can of course go to Amel here in Le Marin. But I would like
to better understand the thruster.  
Ben 
Ben
and Gayle La Bella Vita SM2 #347Le
Marin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Ian Shepherd
 

Hi Alexandre,

I take it that you have checked the obvious? Does the Klima a/c water pump send cooling water through to the outlet on the forward port side of the hull? If the pump motor is not running then the CB will trip after a few seconds. I recently went though this. At first I thought the motor/pump had seized up and needed the turn with screwdriver treatment. But in my case it was the 10uF run capacitor that had fallen to 6.37 uF . Changing this for a new one restored normal working.

If the breaker trips immediately then it is likely to be something else. I take it that the other a/c units work normally? If not, it may be associated with the cooling motor. Try tripping the Eau de Mer breaker in the engine room. Then start the genset and select the suspect a/c unit to on. If the breaker trips after about 20 seconds or so, then it is likely to be a cooling motor fault. Maybe the run capacitor is short circuit? Disconnect the two wires that disappear into the motor itself. Measure the resistance. It should be around 38 ohms. If your test meter measures capacitance, check the actual capacitance of the capacitor under the lid. You must disconnect it first. If it is not 10 uF then best to change it.

Apologies if you have already been through this, but I have only just seen the thread.

Good luck

Ian Shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader Marmaris Turkey

On 29/06/2017 11:40, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Good morning Eric,

I am afraid the continuity feel over my skill level at the moment…

Going to contact Titan Marine and Rob Marine both in Saint Maarten recommended by Coastal Climate Control, then likely will sail back to Saint Maarten.

Hopefully as Bill mentioned, the compressor can be changed…

I have not tried to tap the compressor with a soft mallet, as when it is connected it trips the power. (If I disconnect its harness then the power does not trip).

Have a great trip!

Sincerely Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 11:08 PM












Hi Alexandre,
Continuity means that if you are using a
multimeter set to ohms. If you touch the two leads
together you read 0 that means there is a very good
connection between the leads that is continuity. If you
have the compressor disconnected and touch one lead to one
of the two power wires and the case of the compressor on a
shiny area and the meter reads 0 you have a short in the
compressor.

Climate control only sells parts to the two operations
in St Maarten.The Climma company near the bridge
perma frost has an extremely bad reputation and I have had
experience with them. Enertech also wanted to build me a
new evaporator for one of my freezers for $600- years ago
and the evaporator cost me $150 from Climate control. You
might ask at Budget marine or Island water world for a
recommendation.

The dometic air conditioner is almost a do it yourself
installation without almost any modifications to the
system.
If the compressor is shorted it is more economical to
replace the whole unit as it is old and something else might
go bad.
Did you try tapping the compressor with a soft mallet
and then seeing if it will start.
Good luck.





























----- Original Message -----
From:
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]"
Date: Wednesday,
June 28, 2017 5:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse & marina
To:
amelyachtowners@...

Good afternoon Eric,
I checked the small capacitors as well
as the large ones.

I am not sure what means “measure the
continuity to the
compressor case”.
When I plug the air conditioning: it
trips the power.
If I disconnect the
wires in the harness going to the
compressor, then it doesn’t trip.
So by “having a bad compressor”
does it means that I need a new
one?
Or can it be rebuilt?

According to Climate Control, they are 2
Climma Marine person in
Sint Maarten,
I will contact them, then likely go back there.

Thanks for the info
on the Dometic 10. Will it also power the
Calpeda cooling pump? Or does it required
modifications…

Sincerely, Alexandre





--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]
wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Date:
Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 12:34 PM












Alexandre,
I am leaving the first bridge tomorrow.
I would check the 3 small capacitors that
run the
fan.
I
guess you checked the 2 big ones that work with the
compressor.

did you measure the continuity to the
compressor case
to the power leads of
the compressor?

I think you have a bad compressor
and bad fan
capacitors--remember there
is a time delay.
If you bring a AC tech
on board I think he will find
the
same. The other very obscure possibility is that the
compressor is out of gas. However that is
something that we
can not do. The
compressor gas is measured in ounces.
Fair Winds,
Eric
Sm 376


----- Original
Message -----
From:
"Alexandre
Uster von
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 10:45 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To:
amelyachtowners@...

Good morning Eric,

Since you
are
leaving in a little bit, making it
short:
Here is what I did:
I completely removed the unit (I
will
make an illustration later
on of the
removal process).

I connected the air conditioning unit
in
the cockpit to a shore
power (this way
it won’t trip my boat all the time).


Here is what I find out:

When I
connect the harness going to the
compressor, the power
trips
right
away.
So I disconnected the harness
going to
the compressor and it did
not
trip.
In one of
your email, you
mention if there is a
short in the
compressor, then it is dead. Correct? Or is there other
test

to do?

Also,
I did another test (not connecting
the
compressor harness)
but
connecting
the harness to the fan (and
control), the power
did not trip,
but the fan was not turning
(even
thought I was
measuring
electricity at the fan plug).
So looks
to me
the fan is also dead…

Some pictures of the above tests:
http://nikimat.com/air_conditioning_climma_marine_compact_9_eh_test.html

Thanks again,
sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 6/28/17,
kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]
wrote:

Subject:
Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning
Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse &
marina
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Date:
Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 8:06
AM












Hi Alexandre,
I will be at sea either this afternoon
or
tomorrow..
Please reply to
WB2cwd@....
Fair winds,
Eric

-----
Original
Message
-----
From: "Alexandre
Uster von
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 6:25
am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Good morning Bill &
Eric,
Thanks
for your continuous
support.
I will keep you posted of
what I find.
Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 6/27/17,
kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]
wrote:

Subject:
Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning
Tripping 220
Volt
Panel Fuse &
marina
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Date:
Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 5:21
PM




Bill,
Cant
Hurt.
Eric


----- Original
Message -----
From:
"'Bill &
Judy

Rouse'


yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017
5:58
pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners]
Aft
Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To:
"amelyachtowners@..."

Eric,
I would like to test
those capacitors...I think that
they
might
charge when
power
goes to the control
unit. Of
course
his problem could be


anything,but I had his exact
problem and
changing out the
Compressor
RUN
Capacitor

(40uf) solved the
issue.

Bill


On Tue,
Jun 27,
2017 at 3:30 PM,
kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners] wrote:


Bill,
when the
thermostat is in
the
neutral
position there is no AC
going
to
the

unit. Thus a bad
capacitor
would not make any
difference.
Fair
Winds,
Eric
-----
Original Message -----
From:

"'Bill & Judy
Rouse'
yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners]"

Date:
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm
Subject:
Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning
Tripping 220

Volt Panel
Fuse & marina

To:

"amelyachtowners@..."


I
think Eric is right and I think
that the first
thing I
would
do is
replace the two capacitors
I
mentioned earlier.


Best,

Bill Rouse

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at
11:30
AM,
kimberlite@...


[amelyachtowners] wrote:





Alexandre,
with the switch
In
neutral
position the AC unit is off.
I

would suspect a
short in the wiring somewhere.
it
could be
anywhere.
Good
luck,
Eric




----- Original
Message
-----
From:
"Alexandre
Uster von Baar
uster@...


[amelyachtowners]">
Date:
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:25 am


Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin
Air Conditioning
Tripping

220
Volt Panel Fuse
& marina

To:
amelyachtowners@...

I run the


forward air conditioning without
problem.



As Eric
ask, I
switch on the Aft Air
Conditioning
with the


switch in
neutral position (neither cold not
hot)
and
right away

the Ground Fault Interrupt
(GFI) breaker trip
(as well
as
the



marina).



What
does that tell you?






--------------------------------------------
On
Tue,
6/27/17,
kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]

wrote:


Subject:
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Aft
Cabin Air Conditioning
Tripping
220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017,
9:10
AM

















Alexandre,
there is
a switch and
thermostat by
each AC unit. when

the
switch is in neutral

position does
the
breaker still
trip?
if not does it trip
when the switch
is in
the heat

position?
To
discharge
the

capacitor take a wire
with
insulated
alligator clips
put
one clip on the body
of the pump or
case
and the other clip to a lug of
the
capacitor.
Fair winds,
Eric
-----
Original
Message
-----
From:
"Alexandre Uster von

Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]"


Date: Tuesday, June 27,
2017
7:55
am
Subject: Re: [Amel

Yacht
Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse &
marina

To:
amelyachtowners@...
Good
morning
John, Mark,
Eric and
Francisco and thank you for

your replies,


Based on what
you
wrote, I suspect a short and a
dead


compressor…
Going to test the Capacitors,
but how to
“discharge
them”
prior
to
testing?




Eric, I
did
not
really
understand
the:
“if
the AC switch is off
at the
thermostat
does it still trip the


breaker?”
Thanks in
advance,
sincerely,
Alexandre



--------------------------------------------
On
Mon,
6/26/17,
kimberlite@...

[amelyachtowners]

wrote:



Subject:
Re:
[Amel
Yacht
Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning


Tripping 220 Volt Panel
Fuse &
marina

To:


amelyachtowners@...
Date:


Monday,
June 26, 2017, 9:24

PM
Alexandre.

if the AC
switch
is
off at the
thermostat

does it
still


trip
the
breaker?

The
breaker on the AC panel side
is a

quick
blow

circuit breaker,
If
there is
a short
it will


trip
before the



diruptor.
If the AC is on at the


thermostat and
the circuit still trips the
breaker,

Check the
continuity of the compressor
to
ground. If
there is a short to
ground

the
compressor is

dead.
Fair
Winds,
Eric
sm 376

-----
Original

Message -----
From:
"Alexandre


Uster von
Baar
uster@...
[amelyachtowners]"

Date:
Monday,
June 26,
2017
5:19 pm
Subject: [Amel
Yacht
Owners] Aft

Cabin
Air
Conditioning
Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse & marina
To:
amelyachtowners@...



Good
afternoon,



Today, I hear
the
fuse of the 220 Volt
Panel
tripping

(the

one
behind
the
panel).

I


found out
the


fuse of
the

marina also
trip.


After running
tests,
the cause is the
Aft
Cabin
Air
Conditioning

(which I
have been

using non
stop for 9
days).
Running
the salon does
not trip anything.

What could

be the
cause?


How to
diagnostic
and
solve the issue?



Did I use too much
the
air conditioning?

How come the

Diruptor
did not



trip, but the
220 Volt Panel did?





How come I trip the
marina
fuse?




Thanks in
advance.






Sincerely,
Alexandre
SM2K
#289
NIKIMAT

Port de
Gustavia,
Saint
Barthélémy,


FWI



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Alex
La Bella Vita's rear cabin AC was replaced five years ago with a 10K BTU Marine Air unit. There were no issues with the install and it works perfectly with other original units and pump.  I'm told by previous owner unit cost $1500 dollars and $300 to install at that time.  By the way, a 10k unit will freeze you out of rear cabin.  We usually set thermostat high to prevent ice😊

Ben

Ben and Gayle 
La Bella Vita 
SM2 #347
Le Marin 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster issues

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ben,

Was the bow thruster pinned in the UP position for the passage?

If it were me, I would go to Amel in le Marin for them to adjust. You may have burned up the actuator motor that lifts and lowers.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550







On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 7:54 AM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

After a particularly rough passage from Virgin Gorda to Sint Maarten, I noticed a good deal of water under floorboard outside forward head.  I know from  this forum that it was from thruster.  Thruster had been removed and serviced last October while on the hard and leaked not one drop.  In any event I used my Amel in the water tool to remove unit for inspection.  I found that both external foam gaskets were in place and not deformed as was inside gasket.  And shaft seal was firmly in place.  I re-installed  unit and proceeded to Le Marin - where I'm now berthed.  Again more water but now I think I know why. 


Apparently the clamp that holds sensor labeled "H" -which I believe controls upward stop position - broke.  (Sensor is hanging free by its connection). This cased thruster to move way too far up and then not far enough down which eventually mal adjust ed the rigging.  After using then thruster when  I arrived into Le marin the unit came up and stuck in the up position. It will now not move up or down.  Top cable is extremely tight pulling thruster to a point above safety pin hole so pin cannot be inserted.  Lower downward pull cable is extremely loose.  All this indicates rigging much out of alignment.  When I switch on the unit all three sensors - H, B, and SP - light up when switches are flipped but no movement.  


My question --- Is there a breaker or fuse on the up/down jack motor?  My control box and sensors have power but I cannot get motor movement down.  I need to get unit down some before I can proceed with rigging adjustment.  


I can of course go to Amel here in Le Marin. But I would like to better understand the thruster.  


Ben 


Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita  

SM2 #347

Le Marin



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Duane Siegfri
 

From Alexandres photo, the unit is marked 220V 50hz, yet we can plug these into US power at 60 hz.  I just find it odd that they don't mark it with both frequencies...or did Amel modify it somehow?

The Dometic system that Eric mentions must have the same 50/60hz ability, but on the web site they list different units for 50hz vs 60hz, there isn't one that will handle either frequency.

I understand some appliances are not frequency sensitive, but I thought a compressor would be?

Just curious...

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477.


Bow thruster issues

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

After a particularly rough passage from Virgin Gorda to Sint Maarten, I noticed a good deal of water under floorboard outside forward head.  I know from  this forum that it was from thruster.  Thruster had been removed and serviced last October while on the hard and leaked not one drop.  In any event I used my Amel in the water tool to remove unit for inspection.  I found that both external foam gaskets were in place and not deformed as was inside gasket.  And shaft seal was firmly in place.  I re-installed  unit and proceeded to Le Marin - where I'm now berthed.  Again more water but now I think I know why. 


Apparently the clamp that holds sensor labeled "H" -which I believe controls upward stop position - broke.  (Sensor is hanging free by its connection). This cased thruster to move way too far up and then not far enough down which eventually mal adjusted the rigging.  After using then thruster when  I arrived into Le marin the unit came up and stuck in the up position. It will now not move up or down.  Top cable is extremely tight pulling thruster to a point above safety pin hole so pin cannot be inserted.  Lower downward pull cable is extremely loose.  All this indicates rigging much out of alignment.  When I switch on the unit all three sensors - H, B, and SP - light up when switches are flipped but no movement.  


My question --- Is there a breaker or fuse on the up/down jack motor?  My control box and sensors have power but I cannot get motor movement down.  I need to get unit down some before I can proceed with rigging adjustment.  


I can of course go to Amel here in Le Marin. But I would like to better understand the thruster.  


Ben 


Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita 

SM2 #347

Le Marin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Eric,

I am afraid the continuity feel over my skill level at the moment…

Going to contact Titan Marine and Rob Marine both in Saint Maarten recommended by Coastal Climate Control, then likely will sail back to Saint Maarten.

Hopefully as Bill mentioned, the compressor can be changed…

I have not tried to tap the compressor with a soft mallet, as when it is connected it trips the power. (If I disconnect its harness then the power does not trip).

Have a great trip!

Sincerely Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 11:08 PM


 









Hi Alexandre,
Continuity means that if you are using a
multimeter set to ohms. If  you touch the two leads
together you read 0 that means there is a very good
connection between the leads that is continuity. If you
have the compressor disconnected  and touch one lead to one
of the two power wires and the case of the compressor on a
shiny area and the meter reads 0 you have a short in the
compressor.
 
Climate control only sells parts to the two operations
in St Maarten.The Climma company near the bridge
perma frost has an extremely bad reputation and I have had
experience with them. Enertech also wanted to build me a
new evaporator for one of my freezers for $600-  years ago
and the evaporator cost me $150 from Climate control. You
might ask at Budget marine or Island water world for a
recommendation.
 
The dometic air conditioner is almost a do it yourself
installation without almost any modifications to the
system.
If the compressor is shorted it is more economical to
replace the whole unit as it is old and something else might
go bad.
Did you try tapping the compressor with a soft mallet
and then seeing if it will start.
Good luck.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]"
Date: Wednesday,
June 28, 2017 5:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse & marina
To:
amelyachtowners@...

> Good afternoon Eric,
>

> I checked the small capacitors as well
as the large ones.
>
> I am not sure what means “measure the
continuity to the
> compressor case”.

> When I plug the air conditioning: it
trips the power.
> If I disconnect the
wires in the harness going to the
>
compressor, then it doesn’t trip.
>

> So by “having a bad compressor”
does it means that I need a new
> one?
Or can it be rebuilt?
>
> According to Climate Control, they are 2
Climma Marine person in
> Sint Maarten,
I will contact them, then likely go back there.
>
> Thanks for the info
on the Dometic 10. Will it also power the
> Calpeda cooling pump? Or does it required
modifications…
>
>
Sincerely, Alexandre
>
>
>
>
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
> To:
amelyachtowners@...
> Date:
Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 12:34 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Alexandre,
> I am leaving the first bridge tomorrow.
> I would check the 3 small capacitors that
run the
> fan.
> I
guess you checked the 2 big ones that work with the
> compressor.
>  
> did you measure the continuity to the
compressor case
> to the power leads of
the compressor?
>  
>
 
> I think you have a bad compressor
and bad fan
> capacitors--remember there
is a time delay.
> If you bring a AC tech
on board I think he will find
> the
same.  The other very obscure possibility is that the
> compressor is out of gas. However that is
something that we
> can not do. The
compressor gas is measured in ounces.
>
 
> Fair Winds,
>
Eric
> Sm 376
>  
>
> ----- Original
> Message -----
> From:
"Alexandre
> Uster von
>
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 10:45 am
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
> Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> To:
amelyachtowners@...
>
> > Good morning Eric,
> >
> > Since you
are
> leaving in a little bit, making it
short:
> > Here is what I did:
> >
>
> > I completely removed the unit (I
will
> make an illustration later
> > on of the
>
removal process).
> >
> > I connected the air conditioning unit
in
> the cockpit to a shore
> > power (this way
>
it won’t trip my boat all the time).
>
>
> Here is what I find out:
> >
> > When I
connect the harness going to the
>
compressor, the power
> > trips
right
> away.
> >
So I disconnected the harness
> going to
the compressor and it did
> > not
> trip.
> > In one of
your email, you
> mention if there is a
short in the
> >
>
compressor, then it is dead. Correct? Or is there other
test
>
> > to do?

> >
> > Also,
I did another test (not connecting
> the
compressor harness)
> > but
connecting
> the harness to the fan (and
control), the power
> > did not trip,
but the fan was not turning
> (even
thought I was
> > measuring
> electricity at the fan plug).
> > So looks
> to me
the fan is also dead…
> >
> > Some pictures of the above tests:
> >
>
>
http://nikimat.com/air_conditioning_climma_marine_compact_9_eh_test.html
>
> > Thanks again,
> sincerely, Alexandre
>
>
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > On Wed, 6/28/17,
kimberlite@...
>
[amelyachtowners]
> > wrote:
> >
> > Subject:
Re: [Amel
> Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning
> > Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse &
> marina
> > To:
>
amelyachtowners@...
> >
Date:
> Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 8:06
AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Alexandre,
>
> I will be at sea either this afternoon
> or
> > tomorrow..
> >
> Please reply to
WB2cwd@....
> >
> Fair winds,
> >
Eric
> >
>
> >
> > -----
> Original
> > Message
-----
> > From: "Alexandre
> >
> Uster von
> >
>
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 6:25
am
> > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Aft
> Cabin Air
> > Conditioning Tripping 220
> Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > To:
>
amelyachtowners@...
> >

> > > Good morning Bill &
> > Eric,
> > >
Thanks
> for your continuous
> > support.
> >
> I will keep you posted of
> >
what I find.
> > >
> Sincerely, Alexandre
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > On Tue, 6/27/17,
> kimberlite@...
> >
>
[amelyachtowners]
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
Subject:
> Re:
> >
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
>
Conditioning
> > > Tripping 220
Volt
> Panel Fuse &
> > marina
> > >
To:
> >
>
amelyachtowners@...
> >
>
> Date:
> >
Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 5:21
> PM
> > >
> > >

> > >  
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >

> > >
> >
>
> > >
>
> > Bill,
> > > Cant
> Hurt.
> > >
Eric
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original
> > > Message -----
> >
> > From:
> > "'Bill &
> > > Judy
>
>
> Rouse'
>
> >
> >
>
yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017
5:58
> pm
> > >
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht
> Owners]
Aft
> > Cabin Air
>
> > Conditioning Tripping 220
>
> Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> >
> To:
> >
>
"amelyachtowners@..."
> > >
> > >

> > > > Eric,
> > >
> >
> > > > I would like to test
> > > those capacitors...I think that
they
> might
> >

> > > >
>
charge when
> > >
> >
> > power
> > > goes to the control
> unit. Of
> > course
his problem could be
>
> > > >
>
>
> anything,but I had his exact
problem and
> > > changing out the

> > >
> >
> Compressor
> RUN
> > > Capacitor
>
>
> > > (40uf) solved the
issue.
> > >
>
>
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > On Tue,
> >
Jun 27,
> > > 2017 at 3:30 PM,
> >
>
kimberlite@...
> > >
>
> > [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> > >
> >
> >
> > > >
> Bill,
> > > > > when the
thermostat is in
> the
> > neutral
> >
>
> position there is no AC
> > > >
> going
to
> > > the
>
>
> > > > unit. Thus a bad
capacitor
> > > would not make any
difference.
> > > > >
> > >
> Fair
> > Winds,
> >
>
> > > Eric
> > > > >
>
> > > >
> >
> -----
> > >
Original Message -----
> > > >
> From:
> >
>
>
> > "'Bill & Judy
> Rouse'
> >
yahoogroups@...
> > >
> >
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > >
>
> >
> >
Date:
> > >
>
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm
> >
>
> > >
>
> > Subject:
> > Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Aft Cabin Air
> Conditioning
> > >
> >
> > > Tripping 220
> > > >
>
>
> > > Volt Panel
> > Fuse & marina
> >
> > > >
To:
> > >
>
>
>
"amelyachtowners@..."
> > > > >
>
> >
> > >
> > > I
> >
> > think Eric is right and I think
> >
> that the first
thing I
> > > would
> > > > > > do is
> > >
> > >
> >
> replace the two capacitors
I
> > >
>
mentioned earlier.
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > > > Best,
> > > > >
>
> > >
> > > >
> > > Bill Rouse
>
> > > >
> >
> > > >
>
>
> > >
>
> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at
>
11:30
> > AM,
>
> >
> kimberlite@...
> > > > >
>
>
> > >
>
>
> [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> > > >
>
>
> > >
>
> >
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > >
Alexandre,
> > > > > >
> with the switch
> In
> > neutral
> >
>
> position the AC unit is off.
> > I
> > > >
>
> > >
>
>
> > would suspect a
> > > > > > >
> > > short in the wiring somewhere.
it
> could be
> >
anywhere.
> >
>
> > > > > Good
> >
luck,
> > > > > > >
Eric
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
> > >
>
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > ----- Original
>
> Message
> > > -----
> > >
> >
> > > > > From:
> > > "Alexandre
> >
> Uster von Baar
uster@...
> >
> >
> > > >
>
> [amelyachtowners]">
> > > Date:
>
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:25 am
> >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
> Cabin
> > > Air Conditioning
> > > >
> >
> >
> Tripping
>
> > 220
> >
>
> > > > > Volt Panel Fuse
> > > & marina
> >
> > >
> > > > > To:
> > >
> >
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
> >
>
> > > > > I run the
>
>
> >
> >
forward air conditioning without
>
problem.
> > > > > >
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> > > >
> > > As Eric
ask, I
> switch on the Aft Air
> > > Conditioning
> with the
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > > > switch in
> > neutral position (neither cold not
hot)
> and
> > >

> > >
> >
right away
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> the Ground Fault Interrupt
(GFI) breaker trip
> > > (as well

> > >
> >
as
> > the
> >
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >
marina).
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > >
What
> does that tell you?
> > > > >
>
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
> > >
>
>
> >
> >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > On
Tue,
> > 6/27/17,
>
> >
> kimberlite@...
> >
>
[amelyachtowners]
> > > > >
>
> >
> >
> wrote:
> >
>
> > > > > >
> >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > Subject:
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
> Aft
> > > Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
Tripping
> 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
> > >
>
> > > > > To:
> >
>
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017,
9:10
> AM
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > >
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> > >
>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
> > > > > > >
> >
> >
Alexandre,
> >
>
> > > > > >
> >
there is
> a switch and
> > > thermostat by
> > each AC unit. when
> >
> > >
>
> > > > > > the
> switch is in neutral
>
> position does
> the
> > > breaker still
> > > > > > > >
trip?
> > > if not does it trip
when the switch
> is in
> > the heat
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> position?
> > > > > > > >
> To
> > discharge
the
> >
> >
capacitor take a wire
> > with
> insulated
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
alligator clips
> put
> > one clip on the body
> > > of the pump or
> >
> case
> > > > > > > >
> > > and the other clip to a lug of
the
> > capacitor.
> > > >
> >
> > >
> > Fair winds,
> > > > > > > >
> > Eric
> > >
> >
> > > > -----
> > Original
>
Message
> > > -----
> >
> > > >
> > > From:
> >
> > "Alexandre Uster von
> > >
> > >
>
> > > >
> > > Baar uster@...
> > >
> >
> [amelyachtowners]"
> > > > >
>
>
> > >
>
> >
> > Date: Tuesday, June 27,
2017
> > 7:55
>
am
> > > > > > >
>
> > Subject: Re: [Amel
> >
> > Yacht
Owners] Aft
> > Cabin Air
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
> >
Panel Fuse &
> > >
> marina
> > > >
> > > >
> To:
> > >
>
amelyachtowners@...
> >
>
> > >
>
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > > >
> > > Good
morning
> John, Mark,
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
Eric and
> Francisco and thank you for
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
>
> > > > your replies,
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > Based on what
> > you
> > >
wrote, I suspect a short and a
> >
dead
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > compressor…
> > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
>
> > Going to test the Capacitors,
but how to
> > > > > >
> >
> “discharge
> > them”
> >
> prior
> > >
> >
> > > >
> > > to
> > > testing?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
> > > >
Eric, I
> > did
>
> > not
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> really
> > > understand
the:
> >
> “if
the AC switch is off
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > at the
> thermostat
> > >
> >
> does it still trip the
> > > > >
>
>
> > >
>
> >
> > breaker?”
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
> >
> > Thanks in
advance,
> > > sincerely,
> >
> Alexandre
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > >
On
> Mon,
> >
6/26/17,
> > >
>
kimberlite@...
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> >
> >
>
> [amelyachtowners]
> > > >
>
> >
> >
>
> > >
>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> >
> > Subject:
> > > Re:
> > > > > > > >
[Amel
> Yacht
> >
> Owners] Aft Cabin Air
>
Conditioning
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > Tripping 220 Volt Panel
Fuse &
> >
>
> > > > > > marina
>
>
> > > > > > > >
To:
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > > > Date:
>
> >
> > > >
> > > > > Monday,
> June 26, 2017, 9:24
>
> PM
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > Alexandre.
> > > >
> >
> > >
> > > if the AC
> switch
> > > is
off at the
> > thermostat
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > does it
> still
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > trip
> the
> > breaker?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > The
> breaker on the AC panel side
> > is a
> > >
> > > > > quick
> >
blow
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> circuit breaker,
> > > If
there is
> > >
>
> > > > > a short
> >
>
> it will
> >
> > >
> > > > > >
trip
> > > before the
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > diruptor.
> If the AC is on at the
> > > >
>
>
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > >
> > > thermostat and
> the circuit still trips the
> > breaker,
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
Check the
> > >
> continuity of the compressor
> > to
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
ground. If
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> there is a short to
> >
> ground
> > > >
> > > >
> the
> > compressor is
>
>
> > dead.
>
> > > > > >
> > >
Fair
> > > Winds,
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
Eric
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
sm 376
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > > >
> > -----
>
Original
> > > > > >
>
> >
> >
> Message -----
> > > > >
> >
> > > > From:
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> "Alexandre
> >
> > > >
> > > > >
Uster von
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
> >
> > Baar
> > >
>
uster@...
> >
> [amelyachtowners]"
> > > > >
>
>
> > > > > Date:
Monday,
> > > June 26,
> > 2017
> 5:19 pm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > Subject: [Amel
Yacht
> Owners] Aft
>
> Cabin
> >
>
> > > > > > Air
> >
>
> > > > > > >
> >
> Conditioning
> > > Tripping 220 Volt
> > > > > > > >
> > > Panel Fuse & marina
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> To:
> > > > > >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
amelyachtowners@...
> >
>
> > >
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> > > > >
Good
> afternoon,
>
> > > > >
> > >
>
> > >
>
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
> > > > > >
> > > Today, I hear
> >
> the
> > > > > > > >
> > > > fuse of the 220 Volt
Panel
> tripping
>
> (the
> > >
> > > > > > one
> > > >
> >
> > > > > behind
> >
> the
> > >
panel).
> >
> >
>
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > I
> > >
> > >
> > > > found out
> >
> > the
> > >
> > >
> > > > fuse of
the
> >
> >
marina also
> > trip.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > > After running
> >
> tests,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > the cause is the
Aft
> Cabin
> >
Air
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> Conditioning
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > (which I
> > > have been
>
> >
> > > > > >
using non
> > >
> stop for 9
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > days).
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> > >
>
> > Running
>
> > > > > > > >
>
> the salon does
> > >
> not trip anything.
>
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > What could
> > > >
> > > > be the
> > >
cause?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > How to
> >
> diagnostic
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > and
solve the issue?
> > >
> > > > >
>
>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > Did I use too much
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> the
> air conditioning?
> > > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> >
> > > > How come the
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > > Diruptor
> > did not
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > trip, but the
> 220 Volt Panel did?
>
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > > How come I trip the
> marina
> > fuse?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > > Thanks in
> advance.
> > >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > >
> > >
>
Sincerely,
> > > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
>
Alexandre
> > > > > > >
>
> > > SM2K
> > #289
> > >
NIKIMAT
> > >
>
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > Port de
> >
> Gustavia,
Saint
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
Barthélémy,
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > > > FWI
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> >


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Air Conditioning Climma Marine Compact 9 EH Replacement

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Bill,

That would be wonderful if I could only need a new compressor!!!

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 6/28/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Air Conditioning Climma Marine Compact 9 EH Replacement
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 4:50 PM


 









Alex,
Smart move. You have done all you
can do...now it is time for a Climma Tech.
Good luck, even if the compressor
needs replacing, it will be less than $1,000.
Best,
CW Bill RouseAdmiral,
Texas Navy Commander EmeritusAmel
School www.amelschool.com 720
Winnie StGalveston Island,
TX77550+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at
4:11 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Good afternoon Bill,



Coastal Climate Control just told me a replacement unit is
$3,455.34 plus the Vega MK3 display. $279.78, plus shipping
to me. Then also won’t arrive before september.



I totally agree a smaller unit would be adequate. I ask
Coastal Climate Control about these.

But first might go back to Sint Maarten to have a real
specialist checking the unit.



Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre



------------------------------ --------------

On Wed, 6/28/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com> wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Air Conditioning Climma
Marine Compact 9 EH Replacement

To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com>

Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 12:42 PM





 



















Alex,

Since that is the aft cabin, you can

probably get by with a smaller Climma Compact unit, maybe
as

low as 6,000 BTU.

Write Coastal Climate Control

<info"at"coastalclimatecontrol
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On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at

12:13 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

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Good afternoon,







Looks like I will have to replace my air conditioning
Climma

Marine Compact 9 EH







I would prefer to stay with Climma Marine as it is the

original equipment.







Has anyone purchase the newer Climma Marine unit? From

where and how much?







Thanks in advance.







Sincerely, Alexandre



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Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI


Re :[Amel Yacht Owners] Switches in the walk-through on a Maramu [3 Attachments]

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

Good day to you
top red is switch for the bow thruster
Roll foc is jib furler motor
Charge position is for use when charging service batteries on shore power
Normal position is for use when starting engine on starter bank
Secours is both banks together when starter batteries are failing
big black handle should be for cutting off negative on both batteries banks. Use only when leaving boat for long spells ashore (or as on Desirade, when left afloat for long period, powered on separate power from solar panels).
I have on board the original manual written by Amel for the Maramu nbr 116, can scan or translate parts (the way it was written by designer) if wishing to.
fair winds

christian alby, Desirade VIII, Maramu nbr 116 now in Canet roussillon

Le Mer j Juin PM à 17:26, jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners]
a écrit :
 
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Hi all.


We're making slow but steady progress toward launching Lark at the end storm season.  Would anyone be able to shed some light on the function of these switches in the walk-through on this old girl? 


I think the top red one might be for the bow thruster?  The strange thing is that the back side of it has not just 1 red and black wire coming out of it, but 2 each.  Not sure what that's about.


I guess the ROLL-FOC must be the jib furler, and the RADIO must be the old SSB radio-telephone.


What is function of the large switch in the middle (labeled NORMAL, CHARGE, SECOURS)? Does it switch between the house and starter banks?  As in CHARGE would be the starter bank, NORMAL would be the house bank, and SECOURS would be both?  


What about the big black handle?  I have no idea what that's for.


Apologies for the n00b questions, and thanks for any input!


Jacob Champness

Lark, Maramu #202

St Martin