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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Bill Sent from my Vodafone Smart
On 2 Jul 2017 1:40 p.m., "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Ian Sent from my Vodafone Smart
On 2 Jul 2017 1:12 p.m., "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi again Ian. Sent from my Vodafone Smart
On 2 Jul 2017 1:12 p.m., "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Ian,
On 2 Jul 2017 1:12 p.m., "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: Exhaust water temperature sensor 7MDKAL
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
Fernando:
Sorry for the piecemeal reply, I looked up what I paid for that PN switch in April 2016 and it was $67 here in the USA from Cummins Diesel Rocky Mountain (my Onan parts supplier here in Utah, USA). Just a reference point. Turkey is a far piece distance from the USA and that might account for the $125 price. Gary S. Silver
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Re: Exhaust water temperature sensor 7MDKAL
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
Fernando:
I see I didn't answer all your questions in your original post. There is no thermal paste on my installation, nor does the service manual mention such. Just screw the new sensor into place on the mounting pad on the exhaust elbow and connect the terminals. It wouldn't hurt to treat the terminals with some corrosionX or some such treatment. To test any of the sensors in the engine fault shut down circuit you merely need to short across the terminals, thus providing a ground path for the CB2 engine fault shut down breaker. All the best, Gary S. Silver s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 #335
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Re: Exhaust water temperature sensor 7MDKAL
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
Hi Fernando:
Here is a quote from the service manual for your generator. (in the files section of this forum) Fault Shutdown Sequence "Check Engine" Faults: The following fault switches shut down the genset by grounding terminal 2 on fault breaker CB2, causing it to trip: . High engine temperature switch S2 . Low coolant level switch S3, via relay K6 . Low oil pressure with S4 . High exhaust temperature switch S5 . AVRo overspeed circuit Based on this and the schematic contained in the same manual it appears the above noted switches are "normally open" and they close to provide a ground path when they go into a fault condition (i.e. too high of an exhaust temperature). So, the failed terminal would prevent the switch from activating. I can't account for why Bill's genset ran when the broken terminals were connected together as it would appear that would create a permanent fault condition, unless there was another work around by the technicians. You can test this theory by grounding the broken terminal to the non-broken terminal while the genset is running and seeing if the genset shuts down, or by measuring continuity across the switch as Bill suggested. By not having the S5 switch functional your system is missing a fairly important safety device and you should replace it at your earliest. All the best, Gary S. Silver s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 #335 Puerto Del Ray Fajardo Puerto Rico cell 801-543-5801
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Re: Replacement Generator exhaust hose (install)
Terence Singh
Thank you Mark and Bill.
I will request the yard to make sure the exhaust hose follows the original installation. Terry&Dena SV Libby # 196 Maple Bay, BC
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu
greatketch@...
Danny,
Interesting... Volvo's specification sheet calls the D2-75 a "naturally aspirated" engine. I saw what looked like a turbocharger in the picture, but figured I'd believe what was written--obviously wrong. I'd really prefer a non-turbo engine, but in this size range they are few. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Boston, Mass.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Hi Danny,
Very interested to read your email and would love to hear more.
With the exhaust on the other side were you still able to connect to the original stainless muffle box ? How accessible is the seawater pump ? it's good that it no longer sits above the engine. Are you sure that the D2-75 is lighter than the TMD ? The specs I have seen suggest much the same weight. We usually cruise at about 6.3-6.5k if motoring any distance--often for many hours in the Med. That means about 17-1900 revs, depending on the sea condition. How does that compare ? Top speed with the TMD in flat calm with a clean bottom and prop is about 8.3, 8.4k at 2800revs. How does this compare ? Do you know at what revs the turbo kicks in ? We religiously give our TMD a blast every 12 hours or so. Waste of diesel, but apparently it keeps the turbo happy.
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece
From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of simms@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 02 July 2017 07:26:53 To: Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu Hi Ian. Sent from my Vodafone Smart On 27 Jun 2017 17:04, "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma AC Capacitors
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good morning,
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Yes all 3 units are the same and have the same capacitors. Last time I changed mine was in 2013, then now last week. All you need to do is time to time check the Micro Farrah reading of the Capacitors with a nice volt meter. For info, I just changed the 2 Micro Farrah which were reading 0.5 and it was still working fine. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI --------------------------------------------
On Sat, 7/1/17, pwschofield@live.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma AC Capacitors To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 1, 2017, 9:39 PM Sorry group to pile onto this topic however, this evening I found the forward stateroom filled with smoke. After examination of the AC unit, one of the fan capacitors had a big hole in it. I also located, what I believe are, the two start capacitors inside the control box. Is it a safe assumption that all three AC units use the same 5 capacitors (3 fan and 2 start)? My thought is to replace all the capacitors on all three AC units and put these on some kind of maintenance schedule. Any feedback on whether this is a good idea? If so, how often should they be switched out? Any input is appreciated. Thank you.SV TrilliumSM215Brunswick, GA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Ian. Sent from my Vodafone Smart
On 27 Jun 2017 17:04, "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Climma AC Capacitors
pwschofield@...
Sorry group to pile onto this topic however, this evening I found the forward stateroom filled with smoke. After examination of the AC unit, one of the fan capacitors had a big hole in it. I also located, what I believe are, the two start capacitors inside the control box. Is it a safe assumption that all three AC units use the same 5 capacitors (3 fan and 2 start)? My thought is to replace all the capacitors on all three AC units and put these on some kind of maintenance schedule. Any feedback on whether this is a good idea? If so, how often should they be switched out? Any input is appreciated. Thank you. SV Trillium SM215 Brunswick, GA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Bill,
Thanks. I, too, like all the features that you highlight. It's almost as though Volvo have been listening to the sailing community ( surely a first ! ).
For the time being we we are persevering with our TMD ( now on to the third warranty claim against the Volvo guys in Hyeres who partly rebuilt it--nothing major each time, a starter motor that had been rebuilt and that came with 12 months warranty but didn't actually start the engine when trying to seek shelter in a rising mistrale off St Tropez and which failed again off Rome; a major oil leak from the new pipe which returned oil to the sump--only for the replacement pipe also to fail; and now three oil leaks which have appeared after 150 hours, one from the new turbo which leaks oil onto the top of the gear box. ) We are ashore at Cleopatra in the Ionian, a competent yard with a Volvo agency ( for what that's worth...) and they are going to run the engine and ( maybe !)sort out the leaks. Incidentally, when I told TPS that we had to buy a new starter motor ( don't ask the cost) on the advice of the Volvo agent in Rome their response was that before they agreed to reimburse me the cost of their " specialist" subcontractor who had rebuilt the starter motor in Hyeres I would have to mail the defective starter motor back from Rome to Hyeres ( presumably to check if I and the Rome Volvo agent were telling lies...). I leave you to guess my reply.
The work carried out by the French Volvo guys involved, amongst other things, a regrinding of one of the injector points in the cylinder head. They sent this off to a " specialist " who they claimed to have used for 20 years. On return they put it back, only to find lots of smoke. They concluded that the injectors and fuel pump might be faulty so they took these off and sent them off to Bosch who declared them sound. This prompted them to realise that their faithful "specialist" had messed up, so the engine was stripped down again and the cylinder head sent back for the work to be redone. Guess what ...? on reassembly there was more smoke, so they concluded that their faithful " specialist " had messed up again. This time they put a new cylinder head on , at their own expense, which they claimed was some 6,000 Euros. Alas, we were back in London at this time and we were blocking an Amel berth when we should have been ashore for the winter, so I basically said to TPS to do whatever was necessary to get the engine going again so we could vacate the berth and go ashore. I hate to tell you this, but their bill for a part rebuild came to substantially more than a new engine. Amel in Hyeres were very embarrassed as they had recommended TPS. I got Amel to sit down with TPS and check their bills but at the end of the day how can you query the hours that they said their mechanic took and which they said did not include any repeat work ? We all know that Volvo parts are pricey and I can understand in part why they might be ,because they carry spares for an engine that it at least 20-25 years old--though built in the tens of thousands, mainly for light trucks all over the world. Having said that, the price that I paid to TPS was outrageous, and maybe a symptom of the fact that in the most developed part of our planet there is now a significant shortage of skilled labour--it's easier to replace a part than to clean and refit it. I know that a similar job would have been done in Turkey for about 1/4 the price.
So, a long and expensive saga, and unless we quickly regain confidence you can understand why , despite the cost, we might just say to hell with it, we have a fabulous boat which justifies a totally reliable engine and the answer is to reward this boat, which has taken us to so many wonderful places, with a new engine.
For the most part Judy and I, who are not technically minded, have been able to sort out all the maintenance on our three Amels ourselves, so wonderfully designed are they. Whenever we have had to call in expert assistance the guys helping us, whether in South America, the UK or the Med, have loved working on a boat which they can see is so well engineered. The problems we have had with TPS have been a first in 28 years of owning Amels, so maybe we shouldn't complain too much, but .....
Watch this space !
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Cleopatra, Preveza, Greece
From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 01 July 2017 18:30:50 To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu Ian and Judy,
I have no personal experience with the D2-75, but it does look like a good match for the SM.
I like the all mechanical operation.
I like the low end torque. I find this to be the biggest issue with my TMD22. Sometimes when bucking into a strong headwind, I have a choice between "too slow" or "too fast", and response to short busts of throttle when in close quarters is less than
I am used to.
I like that it seems to be a good fit in the existing engine footprint.
I like that it is naturally aspirated.
If you do decide to go with that engine, I hope you'll post about your experiences. It would be valuable to those of us with aging powerplants who are considering repowering.
Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Edgartown, Martha's Vineyard.
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Re: Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu
greatketch@...
Ian and Judy,
I have no personal experience with the D2-75, but it does look like a good match for the SM. I like the all mechanical operation. I like the low end torque. I find this to be the biggest issue with my TMD22. Sometimes when bucking into a strong headwind, I have a choice between "too slow" or "too fast", and response to short busts of throttle when in close quarters is less than I am used to. I like that it seems to be a good fit in the existing engine footprint. I like that it is naturally aspirated. If you do decide to go with that engine, I hope you'll post about your experiences. It would be valuable to those of us with aging powerplants who are considering repowering. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Edgartown, Martha's Vineyard.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D3-110 low oil pressure warning
greatketch@...
And if that relief valve fails to close all the way due to a bit of debris or a weak spring it can lead to low oil pressure, especially at low rpm.
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The oil pumps on most all engines will produce way more flow and pressure at higher RPM then the engine needs. When it rises above specification, the relief valve opens and keeps it steady. That is why you typically see oil pressure build as the rpm rises, but only to a point. Once the valve begins to open, it stays pretty constant after that as the RPM rises. On my TMD22 at idle oil pressure is about 20psi. By the time you get to 1500rpm it reaches 55psi and then rises no higher all the way to full speed. That is the result of the oil pressure relief valve opening. I do agree with Bill R. that checking the sender is the place to start. Making sure the problem is real before tearing into the guts of the engine is a very good idea. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Edgartown, Martha's Vineyard. ---In amelyachtowners@..., <lokiyawl2@...> wrote : Bill, As far as I know, all engines with pressurized oil systems also have a pressure relief valve which bypasses the excess oil at a preset pressure. I can tell you that if the valve gets stuck closed that it can really make a mess when the oil filter blows off. (Grin) In the case of being unsure of an electronic oil pressure reading, I like to connect a mechanical gauge to help eliminate the guessing. Best, James SV Sueno, Maramu #220 Sent from Samsung Mobile
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From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> Date: 07-01-2017 1:54 PM (GMT-04:00) To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D3-110 low oil pressure warning I do not believe the D3-110 has any adjustment for oil pressure. It does have a "safety valve," but I am not sure of that valve's function. I would eliminate #1 before investigating others. CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 Davits
Peter, Did that price include panels, regulator and installation? Cheers Dean Amel 54 TBD
On 1 Jul 2017, at 8:20 pm, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Tony, I paid $6,000 in 2013. Excellent product worked well in my circumnavigation. Peter Forbes Carango Amel 54#035 Grenada in hurricane cradle On 1 Jul 2017, at 15:10, Tony Robinson tonywrobinson51@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 Davits
Tony, I paid $6,000 in 2013. Excellent product worked well in my circumnavigation. Peter Forbes Carango Amel 54#035 Grenada in hurricane cradle
On 1 Jul 2017, at 15:10, Tony Robinson tonywrobinson51@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D3-110 low oil pressure warning
James Alton
Bill, As far as I know, all engines with pressurized oil systems also have a pressure relief valve which bypasses the excess oil at a preset pressure. I can tell you that if the valve gets stuck closed that it can really make a mess when the oil filter blows off. (Grin) In the case of being unsure of an electronic oil pressure reading, I like to connect a mechanical gauge to help eliminate the guessing. Best, James SV Sueno, Maramu #220 Sent from Samsung Mobile
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From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> Date: 07-01-2017 1:54 PM (GMT-04:00) To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D3-110 low oil pressure warning I do not believe the D3-110 has any adjustment for oil pressure. It does have a "safety valve," but I am not sure of that valve's function.
I would eliminate #1 before investigating others. CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 8:07 AM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D3-110 low oil pressure warning
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
I do not believe the D3-110 has any adjustment for oil pressure. It does have a "safety valve," but I am not sure of that valve's function. I would eliminate #1 before investigating others. CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 8:07 AM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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