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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Bill,
Thanks. I, too, like all the features that you highlight. It's almost as though Volvo have been listening to the sailing community ( surely a first ! ).
For the time being we we are persevering with our TMD ( now on to the third warranty claim against the Volvo guys in Hyeres who partly rebuilt it--nothing major each time, a starter motor that had been rebuilt and that came with 12 months warranty but didn't actually start the engine when trying to seek shelter in a rising mistrale off St Tropez and which failed again off Rome; a major oil leak from the new pipe which returned oil to the sump--only for the replacement pipe also to fail; and now three oil leaks which have appeared after 150 hours, one from the new turbo which leaks oil onto the top of the gear box. ) We are ashore at Cleopatra in the Ionian, a competent yard with a Volvo agency ( for what that's worth...) and they are going to run the engine and ( maybe !)sort out the leaks. Incidentally, when I told TPS that we had to buy a new starter motor ( don't ask the cost) on the advice of the Volvo agent in Rome their response was that before they agreed to reimburse me the cost of their " specialist" subcontractor who had rebuilt the starter motor in Hyeres I would have to mail the defective starter motor back from Rome to Hyeres ( presumably to check if I and the Rome Volvo agent were telling lies...). I leave you to guess my reply.
The work carried out by the French Volvo guys involved, amongst other things, a regrinding of one of the injector points in the cylinder head. They sent this off to a " specialist " who they claimed to have used for 20 years. On return they put it back, only to find lots of smoke. They concluded that the injectors and fuel pump might be faulty so they took these off and sent them off to Bosch who declared them sound. This prompted them to realise that their faithful "specialist" had messed up, so the engine was stripped down again and the cylinder head sent back for the work to be redone. Guess what ...? on reassembly there was more smoke, so they concluded that their faithful " specialist " had messed up again. This time they put a new cylinder head on , at their own expense, which they claimed was some 6,000 Euros. Alas, we were back in London at this time and we were blocking an Amel berth when we should have been ashore for the winter, so I basically said to TPS to do whatever was necessary to get the engine going again so we could vacate the berth and go ashore. I hate to tell you this, but their bill for a part rebuild came to substantially more than a new engine. Amel in Hyeres were very embarrassed as they had recommended TPS. I got Amel to sit down with TPS and check their bills but at the end of the day how can you query the hours that they said their mechanic took and which they said did not include any repeat work ? We all know that Volvo parts are pricey and I can understand in part why they might be ,because they carry spares for an engine that it at least 20-25 years old--though built in the tens of thousands, mainly for light trucks all over the world. Having said that, the price that I paid to TPS was outrageous, and maybe a symptom of the fact that in the most developed part of our planet there is now a significant shortage of skilled labour--it's easier to replace a part than to clean and refit it. I know that a similar job would have been done in Turkey for about 1/4 the price.
So, a long and expensive saga, and unless we quickly regain confidence you can understand why , despite the cost, we might just say to hell with it, we have a fabulous boat which justifies a totally reliable engine and the answer is to reward this boat, which has taken us to so many wonderful places, with a new engine.
For the most part Judy and I, who are not technically minded, have been able to sort out all the maintenance on our three Amels ourselves, so wonderfully designed are they. Whenever we have had to call in expert assistance the guys helping us, whether in South America, the UK or the Med, have loved working on a boat which they can see is so well engineered. The problems we have had with TPS have been a first in 28 years of owning Amels, so maybe we shouldn't complain too much, but .....
Watch this space !
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Cleopatra, Preveza, Greece
From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 01 July 2017 18:30:50 To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu Ian and Judy,
I have no personal experience with the D2-75, but it does look like a good match for the SM.
I like the all mechanical operation.
I like the low end torque. I find this to be the biggest issue with my TMD22. Sometimes when bucking into a strong headwind, I have a choice between "too slow" or "too fast", and response to short busts of throttle when in close quarters is less than
I am used to.
I like that it seems to be a good fit in the existing engine footprint.
I like that it is naturally aspirated.
If you do decide to go with that engine, I hope you'll post about your experiences. It would be valuable to those of us with aging powerplants who are considering repowering.
Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Edgartown, Martha's Vineyard.
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Re: Volvo D2-75 for a SuperMaramu
greatketch@...
Ian and Judy,
I have no personal experience with the D2-75, but it does look like a good match for the SM. I like the all mechanical operation. I like the low end torque. I find this to be the biggest issue with my TMD22. Sometimes when bucking into a strong headwind, I have a choice between "too slow" or "too fast", and response to short busts of throttle when in close quarters is less than I am used to. I like that it seems to be a good fit in the existing engine footprint. I like that it is naturally aspirated. If you do decide to go with that engine, I hope you'll post about your experiences. It would be valuable to those of us with aging powerplants who are considering repowering. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Edgartown, Martha's Vineyard.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D3-110 low oil pressure warning
greatketch@...
And if that relief valve fails to close all the way due to a bit of debris or a weak spring it can lead to low oil pressure, especially at low rpm.
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The oil pumps on most all engines will produce way more flow and pressure at higher RPM then the engine needs. When it rises above specification, the relief valve opens and keeps it steady. That is why you typically see oil pressure build as the rpm rises, but only to a point. Once the valve begins to open, it stays pretty constant after that as the RPM rises. On my TMD22 at idle oil pressure is about 20psi. By the time you get to 1500rpm it reaches 55psi and then rises no higher all the way to full speed. That is the result of the oil pressure relief valve opening. I do agree with Bill R. that checking the sender is the place to start. Making sure the problem is real before tearing into the guts of the engine is a very good idea. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Edgartown, Martha's Vineyard. ---In amelyachtowners@..., <lokiyawl2@...> wrote : Bill, As far as I know, all engines with pressurized oil systems also have a pressure relief valve which bypasses the excess oil at a preset pressure. I can tell you that if the valve gets stuck closed that it can really make a mess when the oil filter blows off. (Grin) In the case of being unsure of an electronic oil pressure reading, I like to connect a mechanical gauge to help eliminate the guessing. Best, James SV Sueno, Maramu #220 Sent from Samsung Mobile
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From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> Date: 07-01-2017 1:54 PM (GMT-04:00) To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D3-110 low oil pressure warning I do not believe the D3-110 has any adjustment for oil pressure. It does have a "safety valve," but I am not sure of that valve's function. I would eliminate #1 before investigating others. CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 Davits
Peter, Did that price include panels, regulator and installation? Cheers Dean Amel 54 TBD
On 1 Jul 2017, at 8:20 pm, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Tony, I paid $6,000 in 2013. Excellent product worked well in my circumnavigation. Peter Forbes Carango Amel 54#035 Grenada in hurricane cradle On 1 Jul 2017, at 15:10, Tony Robinson tonywrobinson51@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 Davits
Tony, I paid $6,000 in 2013. Excellent product worked well in my circumnavigation. Peter Forbes Carango Amel 54#035 Grenada in hurricane cradle
On 1 Jul 2017, at 15:10, Tony Robinson tonywrobinson51@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D3-110 low oil pressure warning
James Alton
Bill, As far as I know, all engines with pressurized oil systems also have a pressure relief valve which bypasses the excess oil at a preset pressure. I can tell you that if the valve gets stuck closed that it can really make a mess when the oil filter blows off. (Grin) In the case of being unsure of an electronic oil pressure reading, I like to connect a mechanical gauge to help eliminate the guessing. Best, James SV Sueno, Maramu #220 Sent from Samsung Mobile
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From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> Date: 07-01-2017 1:54 PM (GMT-04:00) To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D3-110 low oil pressure warning I do not believe the D3-110 has any adjustment for oil pressure. It does have a "safety valve," but I am not sure of that valve's function.
I would eliminate #1 before investigating others. CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 8:07 AM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D3-110 low oil pressure warning
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
I do not believe the D3-110 has any adjustment for oil pressure. It does have a "safety valve," but I am not sure of that valve's function. I would eliminate #1 before investigating others. CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 8:07 AM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 Davits
Tony Robinson <tonywrobinson51@...>
Many thanks John - this was useful. Tony. 54 no. 102
From: "John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners]" To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 Davits Hi Tony,
Several of us have recently purchased arches from Emek. I am sure others will share their experiences. I have a Super Maramu and paid $4250 for the arch without electronics. Shipping to Ft Lauderdale was an additional $800. The arch was shipped along with two other Amel customers' arches so shipping cost was shared. I opted out of the electronics because the cost here in the US was much much lower for same equipment. Craftsmanship of the arch is first rate, almost artistic quality. Riza is the fellow to talk to over there. My only complaint is the communication with Riza and the slow delivery. I commissioned and paid for the arch in January, assured repeatedly that it would be shipped in a couple of weeks. I did not receive the arch until the last week of May. I spoke to other Amel owners and they have had a similar experience with Emek. The Emek arch is probably one of the best arches for an Amel, and Emek does deliver, only slow. Regards, John John Clark SV Annie SM 37 Charleston, SC On Jul 1, 2017 9:00 AM, "Tony Robinson tonywrobinson51@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 Davits
John Clark
Hi Tony, Several of us have recently purchased arches from Emek. I am sure others will share their experiences. I have a Super Maramu and paid $4250 for the arch without electronics. Shipping to Ft Lauderdale was an additional $800. The arch was shipped along with two other Amel customers' arches so shipping cost was shared. I opted out of the electronics because the cost here in the US was much much lower for same equipment. Craftsmanship of the arch is first rate, almost artistic quality. Riza is the fellow to talk to over there. My only complaint is the communication with Riza and the slow delivery. I commissioned and paid for the arch in January, assured repeatedly that it would be shipped in a couple of weeks. I did not receive the arch until the last week of May. I spoke to other Amel owners and they have had a similar experience with Emek. The Emek arch is probably one of the best arches for an Amel, and Emek does deliver, only slow. Regards, John John Clark SV Annie SM 37 Charleston, SC
On Jul 1, 2017 9:00 AM, "Tony Robinson tonywrobinson51@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D3-110 low oil pressure warning
Mohammad Shirloo
Thanks bill. We are approaching Chania in Crete. We have been motor sailing for the past almost 4 hours and no issues at cruising RPMS. (1350 -1500). I have located the oil pressure sensor but cannot get to it with the engine running. Once we dock I can get into it more. I agree with your assessment and the likely issue being item #1. In my search online it appears that other Volvo Penta owners have experienced this and some have dealt with it by lowering the RPMs slowly. We'll try this once close in to see if this makes any difference. Do you know if there is a governor/limiter that adjust to the oil pressure to ensure proper flow at all RPMs? Respectfully; Mohammad Shirloo 323-633-2222 Cell 310-454-3148 Fax
On Jul 1, 2017, at 3:41 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Amel 54 Davits
Tony Robinson <tonywrobinson51@...>
I believe Emek marine in Gocek, Turkey fabricates an excellent rear arch for an Amel 54 - this provides support for several solar panels and doubles as davits for a RIB. Does anyone have any idea of the approximate cost of this modification ? Thanks in advance. Tony Robinson - Catriona R Amel 54 no. 102.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo D3-110 low oil pressure warning
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
My guess in order of probability: 1.) The oil pressure sender needs cleaning and/or replacing, or has a loose or worn wire. 2.) There is a problem with the computer 3.) The oil pump needs to be replaced 4.) Main bearings worn I am betting it is number 1. BTW, I don't believe that this applies to you, but there is a known issue with a Yanmar that causes an indication of low pressure...there is a "T" that the oil pressure sender screws into. This "T" is known to get clogged and cause low pressure. CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Jul 1, 2017 03:33, "mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Volvo D3-110 low oil pressure warning
Mohammad Shirloo
Hi everyone; We left Kythera this morning to head to Crete. About 15 minutes out of Kythera we had sufficient wind so we backed out the engine RPMs from about 1500 to Idle to shut off the engine. We immediately got a low oil pressure warning and a message to shut down the engine. Having had check engine faults before that per the suggestions in the manual would go away after turning the engine off and then back on again, we tried this with the low oil pressure warning. We got the same warning again. So we shut down the engine and sailed back to our anchorage that we had just left and dropped anchor again. After waiting about 10 more minutes and having reviewed the Volvo manual, we turned the engine on again. We did not have the warning. We then placed the engine in reverse and reved up to 1400 RPMs 4 separate times for about 30 seconds, as if we were setting the anchor. The issue did not reappear. We decided to head out, having good favorable winds. We sailed for about 1 hour before the wind started to die down and we started the engine and started motor sailing. After 30 minutes the wind came back up again so we decided to turn off the engine. When we lowered the RPMs to idle, the low pressure warning light came on again. So we have shutoff the engine and are now sailing with about 7 hours left to Crete. The forecast is for the wind to die down when we get close to,our harbor and we will probably need to motor sail the last couple of hours. I checked the engine oil before we started me again after we received the warning. The oil and oil filter were changed about 1 month ago with genuine Volvo parts about a month ago. I have not looked through the manuals or done any research yet, since I wanted to,get this post out before we lost connection. If any one knows the location of the oil pressure sensor, I'd appreciate the info since it may just be a loose electrical connection. All ideas and suggestions would be appreciated. Mohammad & Aty B&B Kokomo Amel 54 #099
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] In search of a Super Maramu
James Cromie
I would like to thank everyone for their helpful feedback regarding my inquiry of Super Maramus. This is a great resource, and I imagine I’ll be asking for more advice along the way!
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Re: Exhaust water temperature sensor 7MDKAL
svperegrinus@yahoo.com
Thank you Bill.
Exactly my concern: if half the wires to the temp sensor are broken off, and the genset computer hasn't figured it out, or someone has disabled the function, then what good is it to simply replace the sensor? I attach a picture of the defective part. The terminal still attached has two white wires, joined with heatshrink to one connector. The broken off terminal floats in space, held there by the two black wires, joined with heat shrink to the a connector screwed into the broken terminal.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust water temperature sensor 7MDKAL
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Fernando, I don't understand, or maybe I am confused or wrong...or, all of the above. I believe that the exhaust elbow temperature sensor has a normally closed switch that opens at about 90c. If one of the terminals was broken off, your Onan should have shutdown after it started. I am unable to test my memory and belief, but anyone with a multitester, can check me on this by disconnecting the wires and checking continuity across the terminals on the sensor. Also they could start the Onan and disconnect a wire to see if it shuts down. Funny coincidence, when I was in Marmaris I had a watermaker tech in the engine room who broke one of those terminals. I did not notice it until weeks later because he screwed the two wires to the remaining terminal. The Onan ran fine because what he did simulated a closed switch. If I would have had an overheat situation, I could have ruined the Onan because I had no working sensor. I learned several lessons on that one. CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Jun 30, 2017 15:40, "svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Exhaust water temperature sensor 7MDKAL
svperegrinus@yahoo.com
Hello, Our sensor, marked F230 402-370 0013, was found failed (one of the wire terminals broken off) during an Onan inspection in Italy, and the part would have taken weeks for express delivery from Onan Netherlands. Here in Marmaris, the part is available at the Onan shop for a "modest" $125. But I have two questions: 1. If I install it myself, is there a need for a thermal paste or some other exotic procedure other than just screwing the new sensor where the old one was? 2. How do you "test" such a sensor? Obviously its absence has not been detected by the genset, which runs like a champ, so after installing the shiny new part, how do I even know if the new part is doing anything other than sitting pretty? I think a functioning sensor is important as otherwise an overheating situation will not be detected and the motor will burn out and possibly cause a fire. Thoughts? Comments? Thanks in advance! Peregrinus SM2K N. 350 (2002) Marmaris, Tk
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] In search of a Super Maramu
John Clark
Hi James, I second what everyone has said about connecting with Bill Rouse, Joel Potter, or Michel Charpentier(in Europe). They can and will certianly point you right. Amels are very well designed and constructed vessels. You will not be disappointed. As Amels are built in France and are intended to be sailed long distance you will find them all over the world. More for sale in France and Martinique than other places which could be to your advantage as there are Amel service centers at those locations that can help you with after purchase upkeep and repair. Last December I bought my SM in Le Marin Martinique and had the Amel service center at the foot of the dock....very convenient! Wherever you decide to buy, get a good surveyor who KNOWS Amels. There are more than a few quirky Amelisms that a non-Amel surveyor won't understand. The forum is great and everyone will give you tons of help. Good luck, John John Clark SV Annie. SM 37 Charleston, SC
On Jun 29, 2017 10:12 PM, "jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
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Re: Replacement Generator exhaust hose (install)
greatketch@...
Terry,
I doubt anybody can tell you with absolute assurance that 6 inches lower than the factory install is certain to be OK, or certain to cause trouble. What IS certain is that the lower that loop, the more likely it is for water to be forced back into the water lift, and from there to the engine. Is the change significant? I am not sure, but.... If it was my boat, I'd insist that the yard make it the way it was, even it that required them to replace an expensive bit of hose they cut too short on the first try. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Edgertown, Martha's Vineyard
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Plastimo Magnetic Compass Light
Thanks to everyone to contributing to this posting. My compass has been dark for the past year. I could never figure out how to get to the bulb. Then, I was sidetracked to other stuff. I’ll take another stab at this. It would be nice to see where I am going.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising – St Kitts - Nevis www.creampuff.us
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:45 AM
To: Bill & Judy Rouse Cc: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Plastimo Magnetic Compass Light
Hi Bill & All,
Some progress on this issue, although not yet resolved.
Lights are located under the 3-parts cover, which can be removed by unclipping the side logos. This will reveal 2 large screws on each side. Once removed, you can access the lights/wiring. We have also contacted Plastimo re. spare references.
Bill, you are right, only post 2016 is LED, and replacement should be done like for like (ours is therefore incandescent). Our current issue is that Plastimo said from a photo that our circuit is not the original one. We have 3 bulbs with a resistance, they think it should be 2. We are looking for guidance on whether to replace and revert to the original circuit, or replace as is. Waiting for a response from Amel as to why they would have done it this way (there must be a good reason...). Photos and catalogue page saved under photos > album.
Please let us know if any queries or info. Many thanks Soraya
On 1 June 2017 at 13:17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
I read that once the bottom plate is removed that the wires and light slip out with a slight tug on the wires. I also read that the new LED plastimo bulb is not compatible with the older non-LED compass.
I am not sure of the accuracy of this information and if you do this job, please confirm this.
CW
Bill Rouse
On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 7:33 AM, svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Dear Amelians,
Has anyone had to replace the light of their Plastimo Magnetic Compass? - is that done through the front or back of the compass? - do you know what bulb is required?
With thanks in advance, Soraya
-- GARULFO Amel 54 #122 Cap d'Agde, France
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