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Re: Onan Generator

Barry Connor
 

Hi Thomas,
Just back on our 54.
I think I have the larger generator but this is what it looks like after 1160 hrs.
Finished all checks and about to leave for Monistir.
Let me know if you need anything else to compare to.

Best Regards
Barry
LP2
AMEL 54


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 ONAN Generator MDKBN Fuel Pump 149 2646

Mark Erdos
 

Thomas & Soraya 

 

The short answer is, no. It is not suppose to look like this.

 

I expect when the impeller was changed, saltwater leaked over the fuel pump from the raw water pump. Or, the raw water pump has a leak in the outer impeller seal or a hose clamp is not tight. It is important to control any saltwater when changing the impeller and wipe down surrounding areas afterward with a good solvent.

 

Try removing the entire pump when changing the impeller. The pump can then be placed over a bucket to drain the saltwater.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising – Guadeloupe

 

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 9:19 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 ONAN Generator MDKBN Fuel Pump 149 2646

 

 

Hello,

 

We have noticed our ONAN generator fuel pump is looking quite rusty.

Is it meant to deteriorate this way over time?

if not, do you know what might be the cause?

 

Photos here.

 

Thanks for your advice,

 

Thomas & Soraya 
--

GARULFO

Amel 54 #122

Cap d'Agde, France


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 ONAN Generator MDKBN Fuel Pump 149 2646

Peter Forbes
 

My Onan Fuel pump looks much the same - maybe one should carry a spare?

Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In a Hurricane cradle in Grenada

On 5 Jul 2017, at 14:18, SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hello,

We have noticed our ONAN generator fuel pump is looking quite rusty.
Is it meant to deteriorate this way over time?
if not, do you know what might be the cause?

Photos here.

Thanks for your advice,

Thomas & Soraya 
-- 
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France



[Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 ONAN Generator MDKBN Fuel Pump 149 2646

Sv Garulfo
 

Hello,

We have noticed our ONAN generator fuel pump is looking quite rusty.
Is it meant to deteriorate this way over time?
if not, do you know what might be the cause?

Photos here.

Thanks for your advice,

Thomas & Soraya 
--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France


Lofrans Tigres windlass turns itself on

Duane Siegfri
 

We had the windlass energized one day when we were doing some other maintenance, and the windlass turned itself on!  At that moment we were taking a break below deck so there is no way we inadvertently turned it on.  It came on in the "up-chain" mode.  We left it on and two days later it did it again in the middle of the night.


It seems the most reasonable explanation is the "Up" button.  The switch externally is not corroded, but the rubber cover is torn so it could have gotten moisture inside it to bridge the switch.  I checked it with a multi-meter and it has a very fluky read, sometimes 5kohms button off and 23kohms button on, and sometimes "0.L" in both positions.  That would make some sense if the button was internally corroded, but in neither case was there good continuity with the button off (it had to be in that position for the winch to come on...right?)


Internally all the windlass connections have grease on them (one assumes non-conductive) and appear in great condition (no corrosion).  The down button had been replaced by Steve Leeds in early 2015.


Is there anything else that I should be checking?


Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Salt water intrusion on forward head

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Bob, I love your title.

Regards

Danny

On 05 July 2017 at 18:02 "rossidesigngroup@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

We cram one of those ubiquitous "t-shirt" shopping bags in there with our thumb--we keep a couple up there in the anchoring gear locker, you can jam it in very firmly and it does a great job, seals all around the chain.  A slightly larger than normal one works very well. 

Bob
Director, Amel International Institute of Low Technology

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Roller Furling Questions

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Craig

I too note the points re sheer. However  as you note stainless screws are being used which obviously have high sheer strength. Monel rivets sheer strength is up there with stain less and have two great advantages. No corrosion as they are inert, and ease of use. That is no drilling and tapping of threads.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 05 July 2017 at 08:47 "sangaris@...[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Hi Danny,
Then again, it may be that the Captain purposely used softer Aluminum rivets as a safety so they would sheer before anything else broke. Kind of like a sheer pin on an (older) outboard motor prop. Several of us have posited that idea, although I don't think we've gotten a definitive reply from someone like Olivier Beaute. In any case, it seems a reasonable and conservative approach rather than harder stuff like monel and stainless steel Allen screws. (Yes, I did read the posts that Amel Matinique is using the ss Allen screws. Lots of ways to skin a cat, I guess.) 
Cheers,
Craig Briggs, SN#68 Sangaris 

---In amelyachtowners@..., <simms@...> wrote :

Hi.

If you use rivers monel are the best. Inert. That is no corrosion and very strong, Ali are  far too soft and sheer easily.

Regards

Danny

DM ,299

Ocean Pearl

On 03 July 2017 at 13:18 "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mark,

Stainless screws are fine if you use something like Tefgel to isolate them.

Even if you do go with aluminum screws, use Tefgel. The difference in alloys is enough to cause trouble, and the Al screws are not strong enough to remove if there is even a trace of corrosion. Talk to anybody who head had to remove the Al screws Amel used to attach the boom tracks!

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Boston, Mass


 

 


 


Re: Salt water intrusion on forward head

rossirossix4
 

We cram one of those ubiquitous "t-shirt" shopping bags in there with our thumb--we keep a couple up there in the anchoring gear locker, you can jam it in very firmly and it does a great job, seals all around the chain.  A slightly larger than normal one works very well. 

Bob
Director, Amel International Institute of Low Technology


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

Alan Leslie
 

We solved this problem by putting in a plumbing valve in the drain from the shower, moving the copper T connector further aft and rerouting the anchor drain to there.
The picture is better than my description...
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

Paul Osterberg
 

Stephen I agree we have several times had conditions when water slushing around in the forward head. I think the idea with the spraycan sounds good. Asume it,s just normal PU Foam on spray can, have to be carefull when applying as it is very sticky. But of course the anchor and chain will rip it lose from the pipe. Last time we just squeezed in a pice of foam in the shower drain, also an easy and quick solution. My wife was air born for a while in the forward head when beating up from Cape Hatteras to Cape Henry in a god blow with current with us when she squeezed in a pice with foam in the shower drain.
Pail on SY Kerpa SM #259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

greatketch@...
 

And another cat skinning technique I used on my old boat, but haven't done on Harmonie--yet!

https://fetchinketch.net/2015/10/29/fixing-the-hole-in-the-boat/

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Boston, Mass


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Roller Furling Questions

Mark Erdos
 

 

Thank you to all who chimed in on this. I managed to repair the furling today (between rain showers) and used aluminum rivets. This is all I have aboard. I have a tap and die set but not 8 no suitable screws. The repair should be sufficient to get us the next couple of hundred miles to Grenada. I plan to have CARAIBE MARINE do a service the unit when we get to Martinique.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 4:47 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Roller Furling Questions

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Roller Furling Questions

James Alton
 

Craig,

   Certainly structurally speaking monel and stainless are good choices for this application.  With Monel being a lot higher on the galvanic scale than aluminum,  I was wondering if anyone that has used the monel rivets had any corrosion issues?   I will be working on my furler soon to change the rigging so need to make a decision on the fasteners to install.  Currently I have what appear to be the original aluminum rivets and they still seem to be sound.  (my boat so far has the original rigging)   I certainly like the idea of a removable fastener to make access easier and have had good luck with the Tef-gel with stainless and aluminum.  It would be great to hear from someone like Oliver on whether the aluminum rivets act as a weak link in the connection between the furler and the extrusion to prevent damage to the system.   If this is the case, then I would go back with the aluminum rivets and accept the complication of drilling the next time.

Best,
James
Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:47 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi Danny,
Then again, it may be that the Captain purposely used softer Aluminum rivets as a safety so they would sheer before anything else broke. Kind of like a sheer pin on an (older) outboard motor prop. Several of us have posited that idea, although I don't think we've gotten a definitive reply from someone like Olivier Beaute. In any case, it seems a reasonable and conservative approach rather than harder stuff like monel and stainless steel Allen screws. (Yes, I did read the posts that Amel Matinique is using the ss Allen screws. Lots of ways to skin a cat, I guess.) 
Cheers,
Craig Briggs, SN#68 Sangaris 

---In amelyachtowners@...,

Hi.

If you use rivers monel are the best. Inert. That is no corrosion and v ery strong, Ali are  far too soft and sheer easily.

Regards

Danny

DM ,299

Ocean Pearl

On 03 July 2017 at 13:18 "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mark,

Stainless screws are fine if you use something like Tefgel to isolate them. 

Even if you do go with aluminum screws, use Tefgel. The difference in alloys is enough to cause trouble, and the Al screws are not strong enough to remove if there is even a trace of corrosion. Talk to anybody who head had to remove the Al screws Amel used to attach the boom tracks!

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie 
Boston, Mass


 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

karkauai
 

I use a small nerf ball that I stuff around the chain in the hawsepipe.  It stops all but a little water from getting in.  Get a few extras as they deteriorate in the sun after a year or so.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Jul 4, 2017, at 1:04 PM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Yep, this can happen if you have a lot of water on deck. The SM 53 came from Amel with a  rubber flapper assembly that would line up with the chain and keep a good percentage of the water from coming into the chain locker. Many have perished and are gone. I like to use GREAT STUFF that one can get from any big box home improvement store in the USA. Do a web search. For our friends further afield, it is an expanding foam in an aerosol can that is used to fill cracks and voids in home construction and repair projects that has different names in foreign markets.. Spray the foam liberally around the anchor chain hawse hole. Let it dry and it stops 99% of the water from coming in. Just using the anchor/moving the chain causes it to crumble into dust and disperse which could aggravate some more eco minded folks.

 

One way valves are sometimes problematic and more so when hair and soap scum can be expected.

 

Have fun with your Amel, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 12:13 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

 

 

When sailing in rough weather with the wind in from starboard, the water that find its way in through the chain locker and then going down to the bilge. Some of that goes back into the forward head shower drain. Is it something like a one way valve missing? The hose going from the shower are connected directly with the anchor locker drain by a y connection only. We are thinking of installing a one way valve. are we alone experience this?



Paul on SY Kerpa SM #250. still on the hard in Chesapeake bay


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Roller Furling Questions

Craig Briggs
 


Hi Danny,
Then again, it may be that the Captain purposely used softer Aluminum rivets as a safety so they would sheer before anything else broke. Kind of like a sheer pin on an (older) outboard motor prop. Several of us have posited that idea, although I don't think we've gotten a definitive reply from someone like Olivier Beaute. In any case, it seems a reasonable and conservative approach rather than harder stuff like monel and stainless steel Allen screws. (Yes, I did read the posts that Amel Matinique is using the ss Allen screws. Lots of ways to skin a cat, I guess.) 
Cheers,
Craig Briggs, SN#68 Sangaris 

---In amelyachtowners@..., <simms@...> wrote :

Hi.

If you use rivers monel are the best. Inert. That is no corrosion and very strong, Ali are  far too soft and sheer easily.

Regards

Danny

DM ,299

Ocean Pearl

On 03 July 2017 at 13:18 "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mark,

Stainless screws are fine if you use something like Tefgel to isolate them.

Even if you do go with aluminum screws, use Tefgel. The difference in alloys is enough to cause trouble, and the Al screws are not strong enough to remove if there is even a trace of corrosion. Talk to anybody who head had to remove the Al screws Amel used to attach the boom tracks!

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Boston, Mass


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

Thomas Peacock
 

Sorry, I did not sign my comments. Aletes is still with me (and my co-owenr, Mike). And yes, our bow thruster seals are pretty leaky in heavy seas. 

Tom Peacock
Aletes, SM #240
Rock Hall, MD


On Jul 4, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Joel Potter jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


The chain locker, air conditioning condensate, and the head sink and shower all join to the one hose that has the shut off valve at the saloon side of the water tight bulkhead. If you have water coming in the anchor hawse, it can detour into the shower sump on a starboard tack. 
If you have water from a bow thruster leak migrating to the area under the freezer against the saloon forward bulkhead, you have some serious problems
Didn't you sell you boat?

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Thomas Peacock peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Joel,


I hesitate to even write this, since your knowledge of Amels dwarfs mine.

That said,I always thought that the chain locker drained via the white hose all the way to the bilge. I guess I’m wrong (not the first time)?

We too get a lot of water in the bilge by the forward head, but I always though it was from our bow thruster seals. By the way, if you have a lot of water in that bilge, it can also slosh over into the area below the closet, as well as forward under the optional freezer. Be sure to clean these out to prevent smells.


On Jul 4, 2017, at 1:04 PM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Yep, this can happen if you have a lot of water on deck. The SM 53 came from Amel with a  rubber flapper assembly that would line up with the chain and keep a good percentage of the water from coming into the chain locker. Many have perished and are gone. I like to use GREAT STUFF that one can get from any big box home improvement store in the USA. Do a web search. For our friends further afield, it is an expanding foam in an aerosol can that is used to fill cracks and voids in home construction and repair projects that has different names in foreign markets.. Spray the foam liberally around the anchor chain hawse hole. Let it dry and it stops 99% of the water from coming in. Just using the anchor/moving the chain causes it to crumble into dust and disperse which could aggravate some more eco minded folks.
 
One way valves are sometimes problematic and more so when hair and soap scum can be expected.
 
Have fun with your Amel, Joel
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY 
954 462 5869 office
954 812 2485 cell
 
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 12:13 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head
 
  
When sailing in rough weather with the wind in from starboard, the water that find its way in through the chain locker and then going down to the bilge. Some of that goes back into the forward head shower drain. Is it something like a one way valve missing? The hose going from the shower are connected directly with the anchor locker drain by a y connection only. We are thinking of installing a one way valve. are we alone experience this?


Paul on SY Kerpa SM #250. still on the hard in Chesapeake bay






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

Craig Briggs
 

In the "more than one way to skin a cat" department, we cut off a 2-3" piece of a Swimming Noodle, slit it down the side so it goes around the chain and stuff it into the hawse hole. The pink noodles work best :-)  

Btw, on the Santorins the chain locker drains directly into the shower sump. Great design as it lets you know when your chain locker is getting too dirty and it's time to send your grandson down with a hose and brush.

Cheers,
Craig & Katherine, SN#68 Sangaris, Abacos


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

Stephen Davis
 

It may not be a real big deal, but in very rough conditions with tons of green water over the deck, we have overflowed the shower pan. It sounds like the check valve would not be a good solution, but I like Joel's spray in foam idea. 

Steve
Aloha SM 72
Aruba

On Jul 4, 2017, at 14:19, Joel Potter jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

The chain locker, air conditioning condensate, and the head sink and shower all join to the one hose that has the shut off valve at the saloon side of the water tight bulkhead. If you have water coming in the anchor hawse, it can detour into the shower sump on a starboard tack. 
If you have water from a bow thruster leak migrating to the area under the freezer against the saloon forward bulkhead, you have some serious problems
Didn't you sell you boat?

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Thomas Peacock peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Joel,


I hesitate to even write this, since your knowledge of Amels dwarfs mine.

That said,I always thought that the chain locker drained via the white hose all the way to the bilge. I guess I’m wrong (not the first time)?

We too get a lot of water in the bilge by the forward head, but I always though it was from our bow thruster seals. By the way, if you have a lot of water in that bilge, it can also slosh over into the area below the closet, as well as forward under the optional freezer. Be sure to clean these out to prevent smells.


On Jul 4, 2017, at 1:04 PM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Yep, this can happen if you have a lot of water on deck. The SM 53 came from Amel with a  rubber flapper assembly that would line up with the chain and keep a good percentage of the water from coming into the chain locker. Many have perished and are gone. I like to use GREAT STUFF that one can get from any big box home improvement store in the USA. Do a web search. For our friends further afield, it is an expanding foam in an aerosol can that is used to fill cracks and voids in home construction and repair projects that has different names in foreign markets.. Spray the foam liberally around the anchor chain hawse hole. Let it dry and it stops 99% of the water from coming in. Just using the anchor/moving the chain causes it to crumble into dust and disperse which could aggravate some more eco minded folks.
 
One way valves are sometimes problematic and more so when hair and soap scum can be expected.
 
Have fun with your Amel, Joel
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954 462 5869 office
954 812 2485 cell
 
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 12:13 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head
 
 
When sailing in rough weather with the wind in from starboard, the water that find its way in through the chain locker and then going down to the bilge. Some of that goes back into the forward head shower drain. Is it something like a one way valve missing? The hose going from the shower are connected directly with the anchor locker drain by a y connection only. We are thinking of installing a one way valve. are we alone experience this?


Paul on SY Kerpa SM #250. still on the hard in Chesapeake bay



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Roller Furling Questions

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi.

If you use rivers monel are the best. Inert. That is no corrosion and very strong, Ali are  far too soft and sheer easily.

Regards

Danny

DM ,299

Ocean Pearl

On 03 July 2017 at 13:18 "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mark,

Stainless screws are fine if you use something like Tefgel to isolate them.

Even if you do go with aluminum screws, use Tefgel. The difference in alloys is enough to cause trouble, and the Al screws are not strong enough to remove if there is even a trace of corrosion. Talk to anybody who head had to remove the Al screws Amel used to attach the boom tracks!

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Boston, Mass


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

amelforme
 

The chain locker, air conditioning condensate, and the head sink and shower all join to the one hose that has the shut off valve at the saloon side of the water tight bulkhead. If you have water coming in the anchor hawse, it can detour into the shower sump on a starboard tack. 
If you have water from a bow thruster leak migrating to the area under the freezer against the saloon forward bulkhead, you have some serious problems
Didn't you sell you boat?

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Thomas Peacock peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Joel,


I hesitate to even write this, since your knowledge of Amels dwarfs mine.

That said,I always thought that the chain locker drained via the white hose all the way to the bilge. I guess I’m wrong (not the first time)?

We too get a lot of water in the bilge by the forward head, but I always though it was from our bow thruster seals. By the way, if you have a lot of water in that bilge, it can also slosh over into the area below the closet, as well as forward under the optional freezer. Be sure to clean these out to prevent smells.


On Jul 4, 2017, at 1:04 PM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Yep, this can happen if you have a lot of water on deck. The SM 53 came from Amel with a  rubber flapper assembly that would line up with the chain and keep a good percentage of the water from coming into the chain locker. Many have perished and are gone. I like to use GREAT STUFF that one can get from any big box home improvement store in the USA. Do a web search. For our friends further afield, it is an expanding foam in an aerosol can that is used to fill cracks and voids in home construction and repair projects that has different names in foreign markets.. Spray the foam liberally around the anchor chain hawse hole. Let it dry and it stops 99% of the water from coming in. Just using the anchor/moving the chain causes it to crumble into dust and disperse which could aggravate some more eco minded folks.
 
One way valves are sometimes problematic and more so when hair and soap scum can be expected.
 
Have fun with your Amel, Joel
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954 462 5869 office
954 812 2485 cell
 
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 12:13 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head
 
 
When sailing in rough weather with the wind in from starboard, the water that find its way in through the chain locker and then going down to the bilge. Some of that goes back into the forward head shower drain. Is it something like a one way valve missing? The hose going from the shower are connected directly with the anchor locker drain by a y connection only. We are thinking of installing a one way valve. are we alone experience this?


Paul on SY Kerpa SM #250. still on the hard in Chesapeake bay