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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mainsail furler - manual crank problem

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Excellent illustration Duane,

Thank you so much for sharing!!!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Plaisance de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI



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On Sat, 7/29/17, sailor63109@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mainsail furler - manual crank problem
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 29, 2017, 8:41 AM


 









It's in the folder in Photos "Manual
Furler Gearbox"


Re: Mainsail furler - manual crank problem

Ralph Heilig
 

Duane,

thank you for your fast Reply! I will change the Dust Cover make an Inspection. Thanks to you now I know the Part Number (NAK VA-45).

My one is leaking out of the screw at the left bottom (see photo).

Best Regards,

Ralph
Santa Isabella
AMEL54#144


Re: Mainsail furler - manual crank problem

Alan Leslie
 

I'm not sure that grease is the right lubricant for these gearboxes. 
Grease tends to get thrown off gear wheels and ends up solidifying in the corners of the gearbox casing. For the gears to be properly lubricated they need to be immersed in oil.
The original Leroy Somer recommendation was Shell Tivella A.
This is what our Leroy Somer agent told me some time ago :

These gearboxes are old so the lubrication brands would have changed.

Today Tivella A is replaced with Shell Tivella S320.

I believe the smallest can available is 20 litres.

If you only have 1 gearbox to fill you could use a gear oil, 90 viscosity, available from auto shops in 1 litre containers.

Hope this helps.

Regards

 

Allan Sercombe | General Manager

Emerson Industrial Automation | Emerson Industrial Automation Australia Pty Ltd | 16 Tucks Road | Seven Hills | NSW | 2147 | Australia


Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437


Re: Mainsail furler - manual crank problem

Duane Siegfri
 

Hi Ralph,

I believe they should be greased, based on all the comments I've read here.  To stop the oil leak you could replace the O-Ring on the black collar of the winch socket, but of course most of the oil will drain out when you remove it.

The top bearing in this manual gearbox will not be lubricated by oil at the bottom of the gearbox, and it is especially subject to corrosion with water running down from the mainsail right on top of it.  The oil seal should keep the water out if it's in good condition, but they have a lifespan and at the end they leak.  

I would remove the gearbox, disassemble it, and be sure you had grease on the top bearing, and that it's in good condition.  Many people here are adding grease zerts to the gearboxes driven by motors so they can add grease annually.  I packed it with a good quality wheel bearing grease.  Take special care to apply a liberal amount of grease to the top bearing and fill the top oil seal with grease.

Good luck!
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: Mainsail furler - manual crank problem

Ralph Heilig
 

Hallo Duane,

thank you for the great Photos! I have a similar Problem. My gearbox is leaking oil out of one of the (4) screws of the Winch Socket.

Also I lost (its broken)  the "dust cover" on the exterior housing. 

I have a stupid question:

Is this gearbox filled with Oil or grease? If yes which oil or grease and how do I refill it correctly?

Currently everything is working fine. But the oil dropping out of the lower screw is making me nervous....

Thank you,
Ralph
Santa Isabella
AMEL54#144


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] First SM 2000 Hull Number

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

I think that M. Boucharlat made a typo. SM232 is built 1998.

Regards
Ann-Sofie at S/Y Lady Annila, SM 232 from 1998.

Skickat från min iPad

27 juli 2017 kl. 15:43 skrev 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Jean,

Thanks for the information. BTW, I got my information on the first SM 2000 from Amel. 

I am absolutely positive that your hull 232 was not built in 2008. Did you accidentally make Satchimi 10 years younger? 😀


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   


On Jul 27, 2017 03:25, "'Jean Boucharlat' jean.boucharlat@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill (Rouse),

 

Just for the record : SM hull N° 232, delivered in late July 2008, was in fact the first SM 2000, even though it did not get the label on its rubbing strake. And she was fitted with an Autoprop.

I know that because I was the original owner, she was then named Satchimi and now Lady Anila, and this SM was built surreptitiously in the yard to avoid prying eyes while the “standard” SM’s were still being marketed.

She is the boat where Henri Amel threw a tantrum when he discovered a number of improvements he had been consulted about. So much so that, to put his mark on the new model, he came back the following day and ordered that all further model would have the, in my opinion infamous, blue floor boards! Just a piece of Amel trivia.

 

All the best to all,

 

Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: jeudi 27 juillet 2017 03:45
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel propeller [1 Attachment]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Bill & Judy Rouse included below]

Chris,

 

Are you absolutely sure that hull 224 will 

accommodate

 an AutoProp? 

 

As you may know the C-Drive case was modified during the Super Maramu's production to accommodate an AutoProp

. Prior to that modification Amel offered MaxProp

I know that Hull #240 was the first Millennium, or Super Maramu 2000, and I believe that all of the SM2ks had AutoProps, but I am not sure about 224.

 

Y

ou will 

compare the attached photo

of Hull #387

to your C-Drive, you may be able to figure it out.

 

 

Best,


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


 

 

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] First SM 2000 Hull Number

eric freedman
 

Hi Ryan,

Congratulations.

When you are in Huntington give me a shout .

We could get together. I am just across the harbor.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 10:09 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] First SM 2000 Hull Number

 

 

My SM (that I just closed on yesterday!) is hull number 233.  It is not a SM2000.  It was built in July 1998.  I can believe that 232 was the first SM2000, but it definitely wasn't the start of full production.  Are we sure that 240 marked the switch, and by extension 239 is the last SM?  Also my boat has a fixed propeller, which I believe is original but it could be a replacement.

 

Ryan

S/V Iteration, ex Monarae

 

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 4:04 AM, Chris Shiels rettirc@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Olivier, 

 

Thank you for the info, I have been sent a photo of the original prop with the s/n on the blades.  Only trouble is that there are only 2 of the 3 blades with the hub. 

I am not 100% sure that l shall get the original prob back in my possession, more concerning if there are other parts missing or there is damage from losing the blade.  

I do prefer a folding prop over a fixed, I hate drag!!!!!

 

A lot to do, we are arriving at the boat in a few days and there's still a lot to do. 

 

Chris 


On 28 Jul 2017, at 4:55 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Olivier. I am sure Chris is also thankful for the information.

 

Best,

 

Bill Rouse

 

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Bill and Chris,

 

 

hull # 167, 174, 202, and 210 have AUTOPROPS, first model with open stainless steel ball bearings. 146 and 156  have MAX-PROPS.

159 has a fixed prop. I think AMEL started with AUTOPROPS in 1996. However, at that time, some SMs still had a Maxprop (original), upon buyer's request (who didn't trust/like the cocker ears looking like strange prop!!).

I'm sure that hull 224 C-drive can bear an AUTOPROP.

I confirm the C-drive design has been modified in order to bear an AUTOPROP.

The first installed AUTOPROPS had open stainless steel bearings (for the blades).

The sealed bearings (steel balls) probably started in september 1999 with hull number around 275 (273 has it, 265 has open stainless steel bearings).

 

Have a good evening.

 

Olivier

 

 

On Thursday, July 27, 2017 2:43 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Jean,

 

Thanks for the information. BTW, I got my information on the first SM 2000 from Amel. 

 

I am absolutely positive that your hull 232 was not built in 2008. Did you accidentally make Satchimi 10 years younger? 😀


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

 

 

On Jul 27, 2017 03:25, "'Jean Boucharlat' jean.boucharlat@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill (Rouse),

 

Just for the record : SM hull N° 232, delivered in late July 2008, was in fact the first SM 2000, even though it did not get the label on its rubbing strake. And she was fitted with an Autoprop.

I know that because I was the original owner, she was then named Satchimi and now Lady Anila, and this SM was built surreptitiously in the yard to avoid prying eyes while the “standard” SM’s were still being marketed.

She is the boat where Henri Amel threw a tantrum when he discovered a number of improvements he had been consulted about. So much so that, to put his mark on the new model, he came back the following day and ordered that all further model would have the, in my opinion infamous, blue floor boards! Just a piece of Amel trivia.

 

All the best to all,

 

Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com [mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups.com]
Sent: jeudi 27 juillet 2017 03:45
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel propeller [1 Attachment]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Bill & Judy Rouse included below]

Chris,

 

Are you absolutely sure that hull 224 will 

​accommodate

 an AutoProp? 

 

As you may know the C-Drive case was modified during the Super Maramu's production to accommodate an AutoProp

​. Prior to that modification Amel offered MaxProp​

​I know that ​Hull #240 was the first Millennium, or Super Maramu 2000, and I believe that all of the SM2ks had AutoProps, but I am not sure about 224.

 

​Y​

ou will 

​compare the attached photo

​of Hull #387 ​

to your C-Drive, you may be able to figure it out.

 

 

​Best,


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] considering purchase of SM #233 Monarae

Brent Cameron
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repair

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Paul,

the access to the freshwater tank is not very difficult and there must be a topic talking about the inspection hatches as it is also the way you can clean the tank (didn't you clean your tank when you purchased KERPA?).
One is below the floorboard in front of the fridge. Take down the floorboard by removing the bolt from underneath.
One is below the fridge. Once you have removed the wooden vertical board at the front bottom of the fridge and released the big bolt on portside of the fridge (below the sink), the fridge will slide forward and it's not a big deal to remove it.
The last one is located under the freezer. It is also rather easy to remove. You need first to undo the valved plumbing fittings of the refrigerating fluid/gas. Then the whole container will come off the woodworks after you undo a few screws.
I'm sure some of the owners in the Chesapeake area will be able to give you some advice about that.

Once you can look into the three compartments of the tank, you (your surveyor) will look for gel-coat broken around the ballast bolts and cracks at the edge of the bonding glass cloth, all around the hull/baffles junctions.
You need to inspect also outside the tank, under the saloon table, all the bonding glass clothes of the stringers and bulkheads.

Outside of the vessel, can you see a crack at the junction of the GRP keel and ballast?

Knocking the ballast makes a stiffer shock than when knocking with the GRP above the ballast, which makes a sort of dampener/shock absorber.

6 knots certainly involves damages. I hope your insurance will commit a serious surveyor, and you will find a skilled shipyard.

Good luck.




On Saturday, July 29, 2017 3:52 PM, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Paul , Yes it is. Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sat, Jul 29, 2017 8:29 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repair

 
Thanks Patrick
Is that the marina called Georgetown Yacht Basin ion Active Captain? Could not find Georegtown Marina "only"

Paul



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Stainless steel springs & magnetism

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Craig, yes, but not exactly. I believe that you will find nothing on your Amel made of stainless steel that is totally and absolutely non-magnetic. But, OTH, every stainless steel refrigerator I have seen will hold magnetic cards in place. WTF???

But in my experience, I can tell the degree of magnetic response and the difference between FAKE stainless steel and good stainless steel. I will admit in my early days that I carried a magnet in my pocket and tested a lot of things. Try it. I believe that you will be also able to tell.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repair

Patrick McAneny
 

Paul , Yes it is. Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sat, Jul 29, 2017 8:29 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repair

 
Thanks Patrick
Is that the marina called Georgetown Yacht Basin ion Active Captain? Could not find Georegtown Marina "only"

Paul


Re: Mainsail furler - manual crank problem

Duane Siegfri
 

It's in the folder in Photos "Manual Furler Gearbox"


Re: Mainsail furler - manual crank problem

Duane Siegfri
 

I have posted a series of photos on disassembly of the manual furler.  

After doing this I would urge you to take the mainsail gearboxes (manual and electric) out and grease the top bearing at least every two years.  Also install new oil seals top and bottom.  Best insurance against paying for a new $800 to $1,000 part.  

I'm going to try to fabricate a rubber "skirt" that will band clamp around the part above the top bearing to keep water out but still allow some air circulation.  If I manage that I'll post a photo in the same directory.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Stainless steel springs & magnetism

Craig Briggs
 

All,
Actually, stainless steel in spring temper is slightly magnetic.  Thus the "magnet test" is not really definitive as it is for nuts and bolts. That is, the light weight ss garter spring will be picked up by a magnet. Just be sure to buy from a reputable source and check the part number for an indicator of having a stainless steel garter spring.
Cheers, 
Craig Briggs, SN#68 


---In amelyachtowners@..., <yahoogroups@...> wrote :

Eric,

Yes, these 12mm seals are very common...I bought some in Penang, Malaysia for about $5.00US. You need to ensure, with a magnet test, that the spring is stainless steel...you know about "Chinese Stainless Steel."
..........
Best,

Bill Rouse






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repair

Paul Osterberg
 

Thanks Patrick
Is that the marina called Georgetown Yacht Basin ion Active Captain? Could not find Georegtown Marina "only"

Paul


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repair

Patrick McAneny
 

Paul , No Skipjack would not be good for such a repair. However, Nick at Georgetown Marina would be . A million dollar cat hit a buoy just north of Norfolk , had extensive damage a couple of months ago. They had repairs done in Norfolk , they were poorly done ,so they returned to Georgetown to have Nick make the repairs correctly. They have a carpentry shop in case any woodwork needs to be done.
Good Luck,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Jul 28, 2017 6:13 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repair

 
Patrick and others
We had some hard encounter with a submerged breakwater. We hit with the keel just where the reflector of the transducer are for the logg. There are some de-lamination around the bulkhead just in front of the water tank. the yard we are at now said it more or less cosmetic. however we need to repair.
Probably in the Chesapeake area. So my question is.Is Skip Jack in Sassafras a good place for this or should we head for other place. currently in Port Washington and heading for Main so any good Marina on the stretch Main to Chesapeake bay would be suitable.
All suggestions highly appreciated
Paul a not so proud or happy captain on SY Kerpa SM#259 
.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repair

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you Oliver
We were motoring at about 6 knots speed in flat water. hitting a submerged breakwater with a lot of big granit blocks
We hauled the boat and the main impact is just below the sonic speed sensor, but the iron keel also toke some of the impact.
I can't find the inspection hatches for the water tank. I assume one might be below the front open  refrigerator, one might be below the combined fridge freezer but that one is fiberglass in and difficult to remove.
I guess there should also be one forward of the combined fridge freezer but has not located where to get in an inspect the water tank. Assume the forward inspection hatch is the most important one right now.

Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel propeller

Jean Boucharlat
 

On second reading I realize that, in my original message, inadvertently I dropped a small but significant word, thus altering the meaning of the sentence.

The sentence should have read “a number of improvements he had not been consulted about”.

 

Sorry about that.

 

Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: samedi 29 juillet 2017 01:53
To: 'Jean Boucharlat' jean.boucharlat@... [amelyachtowners]
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel propeller

 

 

Sounds like our Henri. Fantastic guy
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On 27 Jul 2017 8:25 p.m., "'Jean Boucharlat' jean.boucharlat@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill (Rouse),

 

Just for the record : SM hull N° 232, delivered in late July 2008, was in fact the first SM 2000, even though it did not get the label on its rubbing strake. And she was fitted with an Autoprop.

I know that because I was the original owner, she was then named Satchimi and now Lady Anila, and this SM was built surreptitiously in the yard to avoid prying eyes while the “standard” SM’s were still being marketed.

She is the boat where Henri Amel threw a tantrum when he discovered a number of improvements he had been consulted about. So much so that, to put his mark on the new model, he came back the following day and ordered that all further model would have the, in my opinion infamous, blue floor boards! Just a piece of Amel trivia.

 

All the best to all,

 

Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: jeudi 27 juillet 2017 03:45
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel propeller [1 Attachment]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Bill & Judy Rouse included below]

Chris,

 

Are you absolutely sure that hull 224 will 

​accommodate

 an AutoProp? 

 

As you may know the C-Drive case was modified during the Super Maramu's production to accommodate an AutoProp

​. Prior to that modification Amel offered MaxProp​

​I know that ​Hull #240 was the first Millennium, or Super Maramu 2000, and I believe that all of the SM2ks had AutoProps, but I am not sure about 224.

 

​Y​

ou will 

​compare the attached photo

​of Hull #387 ​

to your C-Drive, you may be able to figure it out.

 

 

​Best,


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Repair

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Paul,

I fully agree with Joel, this cannot be qualified as "cosmetic".
A few questions: 
-What was your boat speed and were you motoring or sailing, and what was the wind speed? The damages are directly related to these data.
-Did you see the location of the impact from outside (diving) or did you get the boat out of the water? This area is critical and it makes a big difference if the impact is below the GRP keel/ballast junction or above (below the Sonic speed sensor or above).

Your surveyor (and you) will need to inspect the whole inside of the freshwater tank too, and the main mast chain-plates bolts (from inside).
Depending on the speed and if you were sailing or motoring, you will need to have the rigging inspected too.

Good luck in these bad days.

Olivier.


On Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:28 AM, "osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Thank you
Paul



Re: metalized Amel logo on vent covers

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

While I know you are inquiring about SS makeover, if anyone is interested in replacing with high quality vinyl (like Amel original), you can use boatgraphics.com (in Puerto Rico). Google it and call them. Felix is the owner and they have state of the art laser cutting equiment etc (I've been to his shop and it is impressive!) I had them make exact duplicates of the Amel logos on the vent covers as well as my boat name etc They fit perfectly! He has data saved in his computer & can duplicate exactly the logos, Just tell him my boat name Liahona , Gary Silver. As I recall even though he bundled multiple items for me it wss something like $35 per side and he will ship anywhere. Great customer service, great quality product. Gary Silver

Amel SM #335