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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Martinique
John Clark
Hi Eric, I mean besides fabricating and installing actual rigging. The posts from the others about the genoa being installed on the wrong slot reminded me of the wiring mix up. I helped put the genoa back on sovwe didn't havecthe foil issue, but it seemed that there were a lot of "helper" class workers that probably needed a bit more supervision. Noting bad, but as with any major work you want to be present. I think it makes everyone pay attention. It was my fault for going to eat a pizza at Mango Bay and not noticing that they had returned from lunch....beer and pretty waitresses....
On Aug 18, 2017 3:32 PM, "'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Why does my mouth taste like leather?
amelforme
Hello Ryan and I apologize for having sent this message to the whole group. I am very sleep deprived lately and I am a danger to myself and those around me…
Some background, quickly. I have been selling Amel boats for nearly four decades and sold all the new Amel product to North American clients as Amel’s exclusive associate for most of that time. I now focus only on Amel brokerage boats. I have owned two Super Maramu’s and have something between 30,000 and 40,000 miles, not a lot, in this model and have sold well over 250 Super Maramus when new and used examples are combined. I also acted as a liaison with the Amel Shipyard during this time for technical assistance to the Amel owners who wanted our help. This brief resume is not to be boastful but to illustrate some familiarity with the product. I know and truly love these boats and have genuine enthusiasm for them.
Rather than work from memory about something that happened more than a while ago, I would urge you to link up with a knowledgeable Amel Super Maramu owner such as Bill Kinney and have a look at their basically ‘stock’ electrical systems and see the differences for yourself. Unless the boat was modified from when I saw it, quite a bit has been changed/added/removed. I am sure if you put the word out, someone nearby will be happy to have you come aboard. I mention Bill Kinney as he is exceptionally knowledgeable.
All Amel boats have a floating/full earth return/isolated negative DC electrical system. Of course this means all the electricity comes out of the batteries, goes to the component requiring power, and then back to the batteries directly. It is a closed system much like one would find on an aluminum or steel boat. Again, rather than a point by point breakdown that may not be accurate, go have a look at an unmodified example and, with your background, the differences will be obvious.
When I sell a used Amel to a customer, I tell them to hide their credit card and checkbook for a year and just use and enjoy their “new to them’ Amel and gain an appreciation for the way Captain Amel intended things to be. He was a man of strong convictions and I had a tremendous respect for him when he was here with us. Quite a unique guy, to say the very least. I strongly suggest that they change nothing for this year of familiarization other than doing required maintenance and upgrades to safety equipment. Hug and kiss your boat for a while before any heavy breathing ensues. Better decisions are made with familiarity. The best investment you can make after purchasing a used Amel is to take Bill Rouse’s Amel School. I have his syllabus and it is extraordinary.
Again, I apologize for calling you a know it all. I am sure you have forgotten more about electricity than I will ever know.
All The Best, Joel
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY 954 462 5869 office 954 812 2485 cell
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Re: winter liveaboard?
william_maffei@...
Ryan,
I am a live aboard in Boston Harbor on SM#195. Personal message me and I will share a better contact email and my phone number. This is my 3rd year on board and I'd be happy to help you acclimate yourself. Short answer is you'll be fine on board. I have no problem keeping my boat 68-70 degrees. No modifications needed. Bill Maffei SM #195 It's all Good
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Martinique
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Hi John, What do you mean by “associated work needs more attention”? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 3:06 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Martinique
Hi Eric, I had my rigging down also in March 2017, Caraibe did a good job, I think the rig looks good. Only complaint was the genoa furling motor wired backwards. Not a big deal and easy fix. Materials and metal work very good, associated work needs more attention.
John
On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hello Ken,
I caught them putting the genoa on the starboard track… they had to make it right. But I took time to explain why the genoa had to go on port track. It should not happen again for an Amel.
Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM007
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Securing dinghy ashore
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Yes Pat you could well be right, and we remember the Amel gathering well, we were fairly new owners then and it was a real buzz to get together. One thing further on the securing a dinghy. You can get what we in rural NZ call high tensile chain. We use it a a tow chain as a much lighter chain can be used for pulling/lifting big loads. It cannot be cut with bolt cutters,I tried once with a big set and put a gap in the jaws. I was buying a length from a workshop and used their big bolt cutters to "cut" it. Result ruined jaws and a red face for me. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl Ju
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Martinique
John Clark
Hi Eric, I had my rigging down also in March 2017, Caraibe did a good job, I think the rig looks good. Only complaint was the genoa furling motor wired backwards. Not a big deal and easy fix. Materials and metal work very good, associated work needs more attention. John
On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: winter liveaboard?
greatketch@...
Ryan,
The rewiring you ask about is a really complex question... Yes, what you want to do CAN be done. but how can be complex and rather detail oriented, and depends a lot on your individual boat's setup and wiring details, also on the size and capability of the inverter you use. Some Amel's are set up as 220V/50 Hz systems exclusively, and use nothing else. Others have have more complex setups. Some have inverters, some get all AC they use away from the dock from the genset, so it is really hard to generalize. Amel also installed transformers on some boats for the USA market. It works a treat, and because of that (when we are at the dock) we actually usually use 110V service, but we CAN use anything available. On the boat itself, we have both 110 and 220 available, and unlike many Amel owners, we are agnostic about the difference between them. We have some 110V things, and some 220V things, and everybody plays happy together. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Gloucester, Mass ---In amelyachtowners@..., <ryan.d.meador@...> wrote : Those are good ideas. I used to have one of those Eva-Dry units and they are indeed a joke. I had it for the summer though, not the winter. It tends to be very dry here once the temperature goes below freezing. My old boat had an Espar (Eberspacher), my new one does not. That goes a long way towards keeping the boat dry because it exchanges air with the outside. I think I'm going to try to heat with electric only this year rather than install one of those systems. I also do not have a 50Hz inverter, but I'm sure I can find a similar dehumidifier that works at 60Hz. I may also add a 50Hz inverter so I can run the washing machine. Does anyone have experience separating out the electrical system so some things run on the inverter and some things don't? Or did you just wire it right into the main breaker (in which case how do you run the hot water heater)? Thanks, Ryan
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: winter liveaboard?
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Alan, You get 110 volts of you connect the white wire (neutral) to the wiring on the boat. I only use the Red , Black, and Green. I felt it was best not to use the neutral on board. I get my 110 volts from an 1800 watt inverter. I rarely use it. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 5:14 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: winter liveaboard?
Hi Danny, In the USA they have a four wire system. If you use one of the hot wires and neutral you get 110V . If you use the two hot wires you can get 220V @ 60Hz. It's a bit bizarre to us 220/240V folk....but that's the way it is. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437 PS Nice pic on Facebook of you sailing in to Manganui
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Martinique
Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
Hello Ken,
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I caught them putting the genoa on the starboard track… they had to make it right. But I took time to explain why the genoa had to go on port track. It should not happen again for an Amel. Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM007
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: winter liveaboard?
amelforme
Bill. This guy bought a boat I built for Frank Mc Carrol and his wife Bernadette who I got quite close to. It was struck by lightning. He asked me how to fix it as I have been involved, with support from Amel, in about twenty of these restoration processes. I told him DO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING. USE ONLY COMPONENTS SUPPLIED BY AMEL. He let some unscrupulous outfit convince him the Amel way was stupid and dangerous and they did it their way. A total disaster! Frank asked me to sell the boat so I went up to New York to do so. When I discovered the changes, I told him I was not the guy to sell it as I could not represent it as a good value based on the lunatic changes. This ruined our friendship, unfortunately and needlessly. Leave this know it all alone, he is not worth your time as he is the type that will work against what he does not understand. Be careful Buddy Joel THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY 954-812-2485
On Aug 18, 2017, at 1:16 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: winter liveaboard?
greatketch@...
The USA has two main types of plugs.
A 30 amp plug that supplies one hot, one neutral, and one ground wire and is 110 volt only. A 50 amp plug supplies one ground, one neutral, and TWO hot wires. The hot wires are each 110 volts relative to the neutral, and are 180 degrees out of phase, so are 220 volts relative to each other. Note that people talk about voltages of 110, 115 and 120, but they are all (for all practical purposes) the same. Same with 220, 230, and 240. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Gloucester, Mass
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Martinique
Ken Powers <sailingaquarius@...>
Hello Eric, Gaetan Rivet Caraibe did my standing rigging 5 months ago. Looks good, and was a bit more than 10K euros for the entire job. The only thing I could complain about is that they put the genoa on the ballooner track. I didn't find this out until I wanted to fly the ballooner.. :( Was very pleased with their service. Ken SM2K #262 sailingaquarius.com
On Monday, August 14, 2017 9:01 PM, "'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote: John, Thanks Eric From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 2:45 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Martinique Hi Eric, I just had Caraibe rerig SM 37. They were fast and efficient. You might save some $$ on VAT by talking to Douglas Rapier at Douglas Yacht Services. I obtained a VAT exemption certificate from him that covered all the work and purchases for my refit in Marin. Regards, John John Clark SV Annie SM 37 Cruising Pamlico Sound On Aug 14, 2017 2:39 PM, "'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Thanks Ben, Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 10:45 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Martinique Hi Eric, This is rigger Amel recommends. Gaetan Rivet Caraibe Greement Email: gaetan@... Cell #: 596696415642 Le Marin MARTINIQUE 97290 ------------ Amel Le Marin contact info: Caraibes - Amel FR Amel Jean Collin Office: +596 (0) 596 58 50 37 Ben Driver S/V La Bella Vita SM #347 On Aug 13, 2017, at 10:30 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: finding LED bulbs for overhead lights
Ken Powers <sailingaquarius@...>
Lots of people tell you that these will work on the Amel 24 volt system. But, I blew out many LED lights trying to change over. Trust me, buy two of these lamps and put them in series. You will be much happier with the results. Ken SM #262 Sailingaquarius.com
On Thursday, August 17, 2017 11:25 AM, "svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote: Hello Ryan, I converted all bulbs on hull № 350 to LED in 2013. I faced the same problem as you have. For my overhead lights, the two-pin socket which comes from the Amel factory aligning vertically consists of a brown or black bakelite terminal with the electric wires coming in the back and the two pins exposed to the center of the light assembly. This bakelite terminal is held in place by a little screw. The bakelite terminal is elongated in such a way that when the little screw tightens, it automatically rotates the pins to the factory vertical position; i.e., if you loosen the screw, rotate the bakelite terminal 90°, and try to tighten the screw, it will inevitably rotate the bakelite terminal back to the Amel factory position with the pins aligned vertically. In 2013, no suitable LED existed with vertically aligned pins, much less in the warm light variety we required, and which proved very hard to find. So I took an abrasive tip on a dremel, loosened the screw, pulled bakelite terminal so I had one or two inches of electric wire exposed (for ease of work), and wore down the Amel factory elongation on each bakelite terminal. Sometimes upon retightening the screw the base still rotated a bit so the LED was not perfectly horizontal, but frankly, this does not impact light distribution in any perceptible way. One or two of mine are crooked enough that one edge of the flat disk LED may be touching the diffuser glass, but I don't think anyone has ever noticed. It takes a bit of time. And I ruined one of the LEDs in the process of installing, but so far, only one LED has burned out, just a week or two ago. Cheerio, Peregrinus SM2000 № 350 (2002) Underway, Thermopylae to Sciathus
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: winter liveaboard?
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Ryan, That was a lot of words, but your question was, "how best to separate out some circuits so they always have 50Hz, but allow others to use whatever frequency is available." The smart-ass answer is why. You are over thinking this and negotiating with yourself without any real experience. The short answer is, it is much simpler to leave things as they are and buy 50htz devices. The longer answer may be for someone who is willing to destroy the original design, which I will tell you is perfect and "child-proof," especially when traveling to many different countries. Search earlier posts for my definition of child-proof. I really hopes that this helps you make a decision... it would take me an hour to give you all the supporting data that I am sure you want. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Aug 18, 2017 11:31, "Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: finding LED bulbs for overhead lights
Ken Powers <sailingaquarius@...>
Hello Ryan, I also had a problem with the overhead lights with the two parallel inserts to make connection. I did find some that "worked" but the only worked for about 10 minutes and blew out. Also, they were not very bright. So, here is what I did: My SM is 24V... So I bought 4 each of 12V LED lights and soldered 2 sets of 2 in series. Then Kluged the connection into the socket and WA-LA.... Let there be light!! My wife was VERY happy. Ken SM2000 #262 sailingaquarius.com
On Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:28 PM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote: Here is a link to LED bulbs that are G4 bases 24v that we are
using on Cream Puff:
and
With best
regards,
Mark
Skipper
Sailing Vessel
- Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently
cruising - Grenada
www.creampuff.us
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 11:42 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: finding LED bulbs for overhead lights Thanks for the tips. You've given me a bunch of good
ideas. Also, I contacted boatlamps.co.uk
and they knew exactly what I was talking about. They recommend this
bulb, which looks like it might work... I'll have to measure carefully to
see if the fixture can accomodate the diameter. It seems a little silly
to me to waste the light that would be pointing up, but the bulbs are in theory
brighter than the halogens they're replacing, so it might be OK. Also I
learned that the largest fixture on my boat, the one above the salon table, has
the pins oriented straight out of the ceiling (so it would take a back-pin LED
bulb).
Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, USA
On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:24 AM, svperegrinus@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hello Ryan,
I converted all bulbs on hull № 350
to LED in 2013. I faced the same problem as you have.
For my overhead lights, the two-pin
socket which comes from the Amel factory aligning vertically consists of a
brown or black bakelite terminal with the electric wires coming in the back and
the two pins exposed to the center of the light assembly.
This bakelite terminal is held in
place by a little screw. The bakelite terminal is elongated in such a way
that when the little screw tightens, it automatically rotates the pins to the
factory vertical position; i.e., if you loosen the screw, rotate the bakelite
terminal 90°, and try to tighten the screw, it will inevitably rotate the
bakelite terminal back to the Amel factory position with the pins aligned
vertically.
In 2013, no suitable LED existed
with vertically aligned pins, much less in the warm light variety we required,
and which proved very hard to find.
So I took an abrasive tip on a
dremel, loosened the screw, pulled bakelite terminal so I had one or two inches
of electric wire exposed (for ease of work), and wore down the Amel factory
elongation on each bakelite terminal. Sometimes upon retightening the
screw the base still rotated a bit so the LED was not perfectly horizontal, but
frankly, this does not impact light distribution in any perceptible way.
One or two of mine are crooked enough that one edge of the flat disk LED may be
touching the diffuser glass, but I don't think anyone has ever noticed.
It takes a bit of time. And I
ruined one of the LEDs in the process of installing, but so far, only one LED
has burned out, just a week or two ago.
Cheerio,
Peregrinus
SM2000 № 350 (2002)
Underway, Thermopylae to Sciathus
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Base for Jabsco Quiet Flush head Broken
Philippe Morel
Hello all , I hard the same issue on both toilets , ont have been fully glass fiber reinforced , and for the second , I have made long search on internet and found the following supplier .
If any body order , thanks for let us informed Regards Philippe BELAVITA SM2k n°238
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Securing dinghy ashore
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Pat, I used the same, but thick cable and had almost the same "bait" in 58 countries...a 3.2 AB Aluminum with a 15hp 2 cycle...almost 13 years. Maybe it was thickness...maybe luck! CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Aug 18, 2017 08:16, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: winter liveaboard?
svperegrinus@yahoo.com
On No. 350, Peregrinus, no 60Hz devices come onboard. All devices are 50Hz or 50/60Hz. Most of the devices, by far, we purchased in the U.S. Amazon.co.uk is a great source. In Fort Lauderdale, an electrician sawed off the bus bars so that the bottom two breakers, i.e., Outlets (port) and Microwave (starboard) are isolated from the rest of the bus. He then fed those two outlets from the 1800w Xantrex inverter (230V/50Hz). So here is how our setup works, even with inverter off: 1. If shore power is available and the 230V user panel breaker+RCD is OFF, Microwave and Outlets can only get 50Hz power, which must necessarily come from inverter or from genset. Useful in the U.S. to keep our 50Hz devices from dying. 2. If shore power is available and the 230V user panel breaker+RCD is ON, Microwave and Outlets get whatever Hz shore power supplies. Useful in Europe. Bottom line, in any countries with 60Hz power, the user panel 230V breaker on #350 stays OFF, and elsewhere this breaker stays ON. Works! Cheers, SM2K (2002) underway to Salonica ---In amelyachtowners@..., <ryan.d.meador@...> wrote : Wall power in the USA targets 120V (and they're very good at maintaining it), but it is allowed to vary from 110V to 125V. All at 60Hz; they will change the voltage to maintain the frequency if the grid is under heavy load. So in my opinion it is most correct to call it 120V, but a lot of people call it 110V or even 115V. Our homes (and larger boats, like the SM) are supplied with split-phase 240V, so you can use 240V directly or get two 120V circuits by connecting them across the middle of the transformer (the neutral wire) -- this is as Alan says. Even larger buildings are supplied with 3-phase power, but that gets very complicated very quickly. My question was regarding the actual wiring of the SM, how best to separate out some circuits so they always have 50Hz, but allow others to use whatever frequency is available. And also to switch the 50Hz circuit from the inverter to the generator as needed. Has anyone done this? If I were to go hog wild, I'd build seven separate AC electrical systems: 50Hz, 60Hz, and "don't care"; each at both 120V and 240V; and a seventh that doesn't care about voltage or frequency. But I'm resisting the temptation primarily because I don't want to mess too much with the Amel design, and also because that would be a lot of work and expense. Can you tell I'm an electrical engineer? 😂 Implicit in the above is a related question that's been marinating in my mind for a while: has anyone in the US tried swapping out their 3-wire shore power cord for a 4-wire cord and thus running 120V to US-style wall outlets? I have a number of US wall outlets on board, but they're all powered from an inverter right now, which is not the most efficient thing and also limits how much power I can draw. I'd get 240V space heaters if I go forward with electric heat for this reason. I think someone in this thread also mentioned the main breaker is 35A? Is the existing system sufficiently robust that I could safely replace it with 50A? Is this the breaker on the panel above the galley or is there another one closer to the shore power inlet (as required by ABYC...)? Thanks, Ryan SM 233 Iteration Boston, USA
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Re: Intermittent A/C Seawater Pump
So here's the plan...
1. Start trying to find a replacement Capacitor as we cruise. 10 microfarads. (Ryan, you are quite correct, but I knew what Bill meant :-) 2. If it's the Cap, then we carry on with the system we have and a new cap. 3. If the cap doesn't fix it, I'll start looking for a new pump as suggested. In the meantime, I'll keep twiddling the spindle each time we need A/C to work! Will post again when things progress. Cheers and thanks all Dean SY Stella Amel 54 #154 Patras, Greece.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: winter liveaboard?
Ryan Meador
Wall power in the USA targets 120V (and they're very good at maintaining it), but it is allowed to vary from 110V to 125V. All at 60Hz; they will change the voltage to maintain the frequency if the grid is under heavy load. So in my opinion it is most correct to call it 120V, but a lot of people call it 110V or even 115V. Our homes (and larger boats, like the SM) are supplied with split-phase 240V, so you can use 240V directly or get two 120V circuits by connecting them across the middle of the transformer (the neutral wire) -- this is as Alan says. Even larger buildings are supplied with 3-phase power, but that gets very complicated very quickly. My question was regarding the actual wiring of the SM, how best to separate out some circuits so they always have 50Hz, but allow others to use whatever frequency is available. And also to switch the 50Hz circuit from the inverter to the generator as needed. Has anyone done this? If I were to go hog wild, I'd build seven separate AC electrical systems: 50Hz, 60Hz, and "don't care"; each at both 120V and 240V; and a seventh that doesn't care about voltage or frequency. But I'm resisting the temptation primarily because I don't want to mess too much with the Amel design, and also because that would be a lot of work and expense. Can you tell I'm an electrical engineer? 😂 Implicit in the above is a related question that's been marinating in my mind for a while: has anyone in the US tried swapping out their 3-wire shore power cord for a 4-wire cord and thus running 120V to US-style wall outlets? I have a number of US wall outlets on board, but they're all powered from an inverter right now, which is not the most efficient thing and also limits how much power I can draw. I'd get 240V space heaters if I go forward with electric heat for this reason. I think someone in this thread also mentioned the main breaker is 35A? Is the existing system sufficiently robust that I could safely replace it with 50A? Is this the breaker on the panel above the galley or is there another one closer to the shore power inlet (as required by ABYC...)? Thanks, Ryan SM 233 Iteration Boston, USA
On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 5:13 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...
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