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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Ballooner hook clamp torsion spring

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Bill
Jean is in France but before I left - I'm in San Diego - I asked his man Albon. They had none.  Maude could not provide either. 
Ben 

Ben and Gayle 
S/V La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Aug 25, 2017, at 11:03 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben, 

You are in Martinique. Did you speak to Jean COLLIN at Amel, or Gaëtan Rivet at Caraibe Rigging?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970










On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Rick Gutierrez devaxmangor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hey Ben,


Don’t know if this would help, but the info might be useful in the future.

An old client of mine is the largest distributor of custom springs in the world. If they don’t have it, they can custom manufacture it for you.

Anyway, here is the link:


Good luck,

Rick Gutierrez


On Aug 25, 2017, at 10:51 AM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I need replace the small torsion spring which applies necessary pressure to clamp which holds ballooner hook in place at top of furler.  I'm finding it difficult to find.  Has anyone replaced and found a source?  Picture of part is below.


Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita

SM2K #347

Le Marin Martinique 








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Don't pole out the Genaker?

Peter Forbes
 

Garulfo,

We sailed from Cape Town to Salvador Brazil flying a poled out Yankee on the just windward side and the code Zero on the just downwind side ( a huge amount of sail) and Mizzen of course with preventer downwind side and our 54 sailed really fast and comfortably in up to 22kts true.

All went well until we were hit by a squall of 27 kits and the code Zero blew out but no other damage.

This is definitely a rig I will use again. We only have the one Amel 54 standard pole.

Peter Forbes
00447836 209730

On 25 Aug 2017, at 18:22, SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,

I was going through the Amel documentation for the 54 optional items and, regarding the gennaker with built-in furler, it reads "Don't pole out this sail" and "Don't use the gennaker at the same time as the genoa". That's my translation of the french document 'Amel 54_Equipement_optionel_V1.4', section 7-3-7.  

What do you make of that advice? 

I was definitely planning to use the double pole setup with gennaker and genoa for downwind sailing. 

Thanks for any advice and experience,

Fair winds 

Thomas

Garulfo 
Amel 54 #122
Back from Corsica
Hyeres, France

--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Corsica, France


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best trade wind rig for an Amel 55

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Gavin,

You don't have to use wind steer, that just adds another level of pleasure. Your instrument handbooks will tell you how

Regards

Danny

On 26 August 2017 at 03:50 "'gavin' gavingilmorelodge@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks Danny, sounds good, we’ll definitely give it a try. We’re so new to the boat I haven’t established yet if or how to get the autopilot to steer a wind angle.

Regards, Gavin

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: 24 August 2017 08:38
To: Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best trade wind rig for an Amel 55

 

 

Hi,
I'm a fan of the SM twin headsail system. However if I'm lazy or some other reason a very effective system is wing on wing x 3. Pole the headsail out to (say) port. Prevent the main out to starboard and percent the mizzen out to port.
This system gives wind acceleration. The wind hits the mizzen, accelerates across it and hits the main faster, then accelerates across the main and hits the biggest sail twice accelerated. You can sail downwind up to 15/degrees off 180 .put the boat on wind steer auto helm and kick back.
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
 

Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On 24 Aug 2017 16:41, "Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Gavin, I have a 55 

 

In answer to your questions.

 

You need to re tension the pole down haul ropes (3) after setup as they stretch, then the pole moves and chafes the genoa sheets. The pole should be tensioned with its halliard to keep it stable and not move.

 

If your running downwind 150-210deg then put the mizzen away it just cuts flow to the main or Genoa.

 

I rarely use the staysail, but when I need it 45+knots tacking to windward, the running back stay really needs to be tightened by winch, don't rethink the Amel design.

 

The staysail is your storm jib.

 

The most obvious is that the heat exchanger plates on the bottom of the boat have been painted or antifouled.

 

Bob Grey

Renaissance 3

Amel 55 #25.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, August 22, 2017, 19:24, Gavin Shaw gavingilmorelodge@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We hope to cross this year with the ARC on an Amel 55 from 2012.

 

We are completely new to the boat and have not sailed an Amel before. We would therefore really appreciate advice from Amel 55 owners with ocean experience, particularly on these topics.

1.       The ideal trade wind rig with the apparent wind below 15 knots and the best reduced sail plan with a stronger wind. In addition to the standard cutter rig we have a cruising chute and a Code 0 on board.

2.       Any tips on setting up the pole for long term running to minimise chafe and wear on the pole and fittings?

3.       How best to rig a preventer on the mizzen boom when running?

4.       Should we consider a mizzen staysail, if so how best to rig it on the 55 which doesn’t seem to be set up for one?

5.       When should we use the forward staysail and whether it is safe to rig the running backstays with a tackle and integral jamming cleat like a sailing dinghy mainsheet? (To avoid blocking the secondary winch on the windward side)

6.       I don’t think we have a storm jib or trysail but imagine we should use the forward staysail and deeply reefed main in heavy weather. Do we need additional heavy weather sails?

7.       Our fridge and freezer are not working properly. The freezer struggles to reach -5C and the fridge achieves no cooling at all.They are Frigoboat units with keel coolers, made by Veco. The boat is currently in Golfe Juan where the local service company seem unable to fix them. Any suggestions would be welcome.

Many thanks for experienced input on any of these topics.

Gavin

 

 

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Ballooner hook clamp torsion spring

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ben, 

You are in Martinique. Did you speak to Jean COLLIN at Amel, or Gaëtan Rivet at Caraibe Rigging?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970










On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Rick Gutierrez devaxmangor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hey Ben,


Don’t know if this would help, but the info might be useful in the future.

An old client of mine is the largest distributor of custom springs in the world. If they don’t have it, they can custom manufacture it for you.

Anyway, here is the link:


Good luck,

Rick Gutierrez


On Aug 25, 2017, at 10:51 AM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I need replace the small torsion spring which applies necessary pressure to clamp which holds ballooner hook in place at top of furler.  I'm finding it difficult to find.  Has anyone replaced and found a source?  Picture of part is below.


Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita

SM2K #347

Le Marin Martinique 








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Ballooner hook clamp torsion spring

Rick Gutierrez <devaxmangor@...>
 

Hey Ben,

Don’t know if this would help, but the info might be useful in the future.

An old client of mine is the largest distributor of custom springs in the world. If they don’t have it, they can custom manufacture it for you.

Anyway, here is the link:


Good luck,

Rick Gutierrez


On Aug 25, 2017, at 10:51 AM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


I need replace the small torsion spring which applies necessary pressure to clamp which holds ballooner hook in place at top of furler.  I'm finding it difficult to find.  Has anyone replaced and found a source?  Picture of part is below.


Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita

SM2K #347

Le Marin Martinique 







Ballooner hook clamp torsion spring

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

I need replace the small torsion spring which applies necessary pressure to clamp which holds ballooner hook in place at top of furler.  I'm finding it difficult to find.  Has anyone replaced and found a source?  Picture of part is below.


Ben and Gayle 

La Bella Vita

SM2K #347

Le Marin Martinique 





Don't pole out the Genaker?

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi all,

I was going through the Amel documentation for the 54 optional items and, regarding the gennaker with built-in furler, it reads "Don't pole out this sail" and "Don't use the gennaker at the same time as the genoa". That's my translation of the french document 'Amel 54_Equipement_optionel_V1.4', section 7-3-7.  

What do you make of that advice? 

I was definitely planning to use the double pole setup with gennaker and genoa for downwind sailing. 

Thanks for any advice and experience,

Fair winds 

Thomas

Garulfo 
Amel 54 #122
Back from Corsica
Hyeres, France

--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Corsica, France


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best trade wind rig for an Amel 55

gavin <gavingilmorelodge@...>
 

Thanks again Paul, I have never seen such a sail but I’ll pass on your information to the owner.

Regards, Gavin

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: 24 August 2017 13:58
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best trade wind rig for an Amel 55

 

 

Gavin

The balooner is a "Genua in spinacker cloth" same size as the Genua, it is hoisted in one of the groves on the Genua furler.

There is a special function who keep the balooner in place so you can take down the halyard, thus furling both together when wind increases or when one encounter a squall. Very efficient indeed. We were "racing" (as Bill said two boats and there is a race) a HR 53 He had his spinnaker up in rather fresh wind, but we was a little bit faster. The HR 53 is a very fast boat in strong wind.

Paul SY Kerpa SM259

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Well, well, well.....Amel 50

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Thanks, Bob. 

I wish Amel all the best with their new 50.

I do wonder, however, why they have not leveraged the power of the hundreds of current Amel owners to ensure their success. It would be so easy to do and cost so little. Maybe they don't need any help???

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970





On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 2:38 AM, rossidesigngroup@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

http://amel50.com/en/


Bob SV KAIMI SM#429

Brindisi




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best trade wind rig for an Amel 55

gavin <gavingilmorelodge@...>
 

Thanks Danny, sounds good, we’ll definitely give it a try. We’re so new to the boat I haven’t established yet if or how to get the autopilot to steer a wind angle.

Regards, Gavin

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: 24 August 2017 08:38
To: Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners]
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best trade wind rig for an Amel 55

 

 

Hi,
I'm a fan of the SM twin headsail system. However if I'm lazy or some other reason a very effective system is wing on wing x 3. Pole the headsail out to (say) port. Prevent the main out to starboard and percent the mizzen out to port.
This system gives wind acceleration. The wind hits the mizzen, accelerates across it and hits the main faster, then accelerates across the main and hits the biggest sail twice accelerated. You can sail downwind up to 15/degrees off 180 .put the boat on wind steer auto helm and kick back.
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
 

Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On 24 Aug 2017 16:41, "Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Gavin, I have a 55 

 

In answer to your questions.

 

You need to re tension the pole down haul ropes (3) after setup as they stretch, then the pole moves and chafes the genoa sheets. The pole should be tensioned with its halliard to keep it stable and not move.

 

If your running downwind 150-210deg then put the mizzen away it just cuts flow to the main or Genoa.

 

I rarely use the staysail, but when I need it 45+knots tacking to windward, the running back stay really needs to be tightened by winch, don't rethink the Amel design.

 

The staysail is your storm jib.

 

The most obvious is that the heat exchanger plates on the bottom of the boat have been painted or antifouled.

 

Bob Grey

Renaissance 3

Amel 55 #25.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, August 22, 2017, 19:24, Gavin Shaw gavingilmorelodge@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We hope to cross this year with the ARC on an Amel 55 from 2012.

 

We are completely new to the boat and have not sailed an Amel before. We would therefore really appreciate advice from Amel 55 owners with ocean experience, particularly on these topics.

1.       The ideal trade wind rig with the apparent wind below 15 knots and the best reduced sail plan with a stronger wind. In addition to the standard cutter rig we have a cruising chute and a Code 0 on board.

2.       Any tips on setting up the pole for long term running to minimise chafe and wear on the pole and fittings?

3.       How best to rig a preventer on the mizzen boom when running?

4.       Should we consider a mizzen staysail, if so how best to rig it on the 55 which doesn’t seem to be set up for one?

5.       When should we use the forward staysail and whether it is safe to rig the running backstays with a tackle and integral jamming cleat like a sailing dinghy mainsheet? (To avoid blocking the secondary winch on the windward side)

6.       I don’t think we have a storm jib or trysail but imagine we should use the forward staysail and deeply reefed main in heavy weather. Do we need additional heavy weather sails?

7.       Our fridge and freezer are not working properly. The freezer struggles to reach -5C and the fridge achieves no cooling at all.They are Frigoboat units with keel coolers, made by Veco. The boat is currently in Golfe Juan where the local service company seem unable to fix them. Any suggestions would be welcome.

Many thanks for experienced input on any of these topics.

Gavin

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best trade wind rig for an Amel 55

gavin <gavingilmorelodge@...>
 

Thanks Bob, please see comments in your text below.

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: 24 August 2017 05:41
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best trade wind rig for an Amel 55

 

 

Hi Gavin, I have a 55 

Many of the kind responses from this group have been from owners of earlier yachts which were I believe designed by Henri Amel himself whereas Berret Racoupeau designed the 55. If you’ve sailed on the earlier yachts, do you think the 55 sails very differently from the Henri boats? 

 

In answer to your questions.

 

You need to re tension the pole down haul ropes (3) after setup as they stretch, then the pole moves and chafes the genoa sheets. The pole should be tensioned with its halliard to keep it stable and not move. Understood, thank you, do you think the downhauls should be replaced with non-stretch lines?

 

If your running downwind 150-210deg then put the mizzen away it just cuts flow to the main or Genoa. Thanks

 

I rarely use the staysail, but when I need it 45+knots tacking to windward, the running back stay really needs to be tightened by winch, don't rethink the Amel design. Sorry, we don’t know the Amel design. Is that in the Amel User’s manual which was not included when the boat was bought from the previous owner?

 

The staysail is your storm jib. Thank you, ours is on a Reckmann electric furler and I wondered if it would be heavy enough for very strong winds?

 

The most obvious is that the heat exchanger plates on the bottom of the boat have been painted or antifouled. Just in case it helps other owners, after 5 unsuccessful visits from an authorised Frigoboat/Veco service engineer, we have now been told the most likely cause is that the fridge/freezer was left on when Amel hauled the boat in Hyeres. Apparently with the keel coolers out of the water and the compressors running the circulation of the refrigerant soon fails.

 

Bob Grey

Renaissance 3

Amel 55 #25.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, August 22, 2017, 19:24, Gavin Shaw gavingilmorelodge@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We hope to cross this year with the ARC on an Amel 55 from 2012.

 

We are completely new to the boat and have not sailed an Amel before. We would therefore really appreciate advice from Amel 55 owners with ocean experience, particularly on these topics.

1.       The ideal trade wind rig with the apparent wind below 15 knots and the best reduced sail plan with a stronger wind. In addition to the standard cutter rig we have a cruising chute and a Code 0 on board.

2.       Any tips on setting up the pole for long term running to minimise chafe and wear on the pole and fittings?

3.       How best to rig a preventer on the mizzen boom when running?

4.       Should we consider a mizzen staysail, if so how best to rig it on the 55 which doesn’t seem to be set up for one?

5.       When should we use the forward staysail and whether it is safe to rig the running backstays with a tackle and integral jamming cleat like a sailing dinghy mainsheet? (To avoid blocking the secondary winch on the windward side)

6.       I don’t think we have a storm jib or trysail but imagine we should use the forward staysail and deeply reefed main in heavy weather. Do we need additional heavy weather sails?

7.       Our fridge and freezer are not working properly. The freezer struggles to reach -5C and the fridge achieves no cooling at all.They are Frigoboat units with keel coolers, made by Veco. The boat is currently in Golfe Juan where the local service company seem unable to fix them. Any suggestions would be welcome.

Many thanks for experienced input on any of these topics.

Gavin

 


Well, well, well.....Amel 50

rossirossix4
 

http://amel50.com/en/


Bob SV KAIMI SM#429

Brindisi



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best trade wind rig for an Amel 55

Paul Osterberg
 

Gavin
The balooner is a "Genua in spinacker cloth" same size as the Genua, it is hoisted in one of the groves on the Genua furler.
There is a special function who keep the balooner in place so you can take down the halyard, thus furling both together when wind increases or when one encounter a squall. Very efficient indeed. We were "racing" (as Bill said two boats and there is a race) a HR 53 He had his spinnaker up in rather fresh wind, but we was a little bit faster. The HR 53 is a very fast boat in strong wind.
Paul SY Kerpa SM259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Meltem for sale

Hajé Weisfelt
 

Dear Ron,

I light be interested. Are you Dutch? Cause I AM....

Kind regards, Hajé Weisfelt




Op 13 jul. 2017 4:27 a.m. schreef "Ron Hynes riffhynes@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Age and crew issues have combined to force the sale of my 1976 Amel Meltem. Experienced blue water cruiser with 2 circumnavigations under her keel.  Sound, solid vessel.


Lightning strike in June, 2015 resulted in total replacement of wind, depth, speed, radar and autopilot as well as alternator and charger/inverter, VHF, AIS w/splitter and Go-Free WIFI, HDTV and stereo (basically all electronics replaced).  New B&G Zeus and Triton equipment. 


Volvo MD32 rebuilt by certified rebuilder in Sneek, Netherlands in June, 2016. (Approximately 600 hours on since rebuild) at which time standing rigging was also replaced.  Topsides Awlgripped (White) then also.  New refrigeration/freezer (Frigoboat) June, 2016 draws about 1A per hour. Decks need refinishing. Presently lying in Majorca, Spain, but might consider delivery to other local. 


B/O over €50k takes it.  Full particulars supplied to your email response. 


Ron Hynes
A/V Swan Song
1976 Amel Meltem #29



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best trade wind rig for an Amel 55

gavin <gavingilmorelodge@...>
 

Bill,

 

I’m not a big user of forums but when I do I’m always struck by the kindness of others who give their time selflessly to complete strangers. The Amel owners group has certainly not disappointed on this score so many thanks for your further input which is much appreciated.

 

Thanks also for mentioning your connection with Jimmy Cornell.

 

Kind regards,

 

Gavin

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: 23 August 2017 17:59
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best trade wind rig for an Amel 55

 

 

Gavin,

 

 You said, "We were thinking of poling-out the genoa to windward and using the Code 0 on the other side when not blanketed by the main."

 

I have done this on a SM and it works fine...if the main blankets, furl the main and you will speed up...you can use the mizzen if the wind is forward of 150 degrees and using the mizzen in this configuration does help reduce roll.

 

I should have mentioned that Jimmy Cornell is a friend and I could be prejudiced, but when you analyze the two Atlantic crossing rallies that Jimmy Cornell founded, The ARC and The Atlantic Odyssey, the only reason to pay $$$+ more for the ARC is if you like racing and don't mind being 1 of 275+ boats. That said, you and I both know that if two are more boats are in sight of each other, a race will probably begin. Jimmy emphasizes safety, families, and cruising. The ARC is more of a race.

 

Best,

 

CW Bill Rouse

Admiral, Texas Navy

Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://amelschool.com

720 Winnie St

Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best trade wind rig for an Amel 55

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi,
I'm a fan of the SM twin headsail system. However if I'm lazy or some other reason a very effective system is wing on wing x 3. Pole the headsail out to (say) port. Prevent the main out to starboard and percent the mizzen out to port.
This system gives wind acceleration. The wind hits the mizzen, accelerates across it and hits the main faster, then accelerates across the main and hits the biggest sail twice accelerated. You can sail downwind up to 15/degrees off 180 .put the boat on wind steer auto helm and kick back.
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
 

Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On 24 Aug 2017 16:41, "Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Gavin, I have a 55 


In answer to your questions.

You need to re tension the pole down haul ropes (3) after setup as they stretch, then the pole moves and chafes the genoa sheets. The pole should be tensioned with its halliard to keep it stable and not move.

If your running downwind 150-210deg then put the mizzen away it just cuts flow to the main or Genoa.

I rarely use the staysail, but when I need it 45+knots tacking to windward, the running back stay really needs to be tightened by winch, don't rethink the Amel design.

The staysail is your storm jib.

The most obvious is that the heat exchanger plates on the bottom of the boat have been painted or antifouled.

Bob Grey
Renaissance 3
Amel 55 #25.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, August 22, 2017, 19:24, Gavin Shaw gavingilmorelodge@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We hope to cross this year with the ARC on an Amel 55 from 2012.

 

We are completely new to the boat and have not sailed an Amel before. We would therefore really appreciate advice from Amel 55 owners with ocean experience, particularly on these topics.

1.       The ideal trade wind rig with the apparent wind below 15 knots and the best reduced sail plan with a stronger wind. In addition to the standard cutter rig we have a cruising chute and a Code 0 on board.

2.       Any tips on setting up the pole for long term running to minimise chafe and wear on the pole and fittings?

3.       How best to rig a preventer on the mizzen boom when running?

4.       Should we consider a mizzen staysail, if so how best to rig it on the 55 which doesn’t seem to be set up for one?

5.       When should we use the forward staysail and whether it is safe to rig the running backstays with a tackle and integral jamming cleat like a sailing dinghy mainsheet? (To avoid blocking the secondary winch on the windward side)

6.       I don’t think we have a storm jib or trysail but imagine we should use the forward staysail and deeply reefed main in heavy weather. Do we need additional heavy weather sails?

7.       Our fridge and freezer are not working properly. The freezer struggles to reach -5C and the fridge achieves no cooling at all.They are Frigoboat units with keel coolers, made by Veco. The boat is currently in Golfe Juan where the local service company seem unable to fix them. Any suggestions would be welcome.

Many thanks for experienced input on any of these topics.

Gavin



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best trade wind rig for an Amel 55

Bob Grey
 

Hi Gavin, I have a 55 

In answer to your questions.

You need to re tension the pole down haul ropes (3) after setup as they stretch, then the pole moves and chafes the genoa sheets. The pole should be tensioned with its halliard to keep it stable and not move.

If your running downwind 150-210deg then put the mizzen away it just cuts flow to the main or Genoa.

I rarely use the staysail, but when I need it 45+knots tacking to windward, the running back stay really needs to be tightened by winch, don't rethink the Amel design.

The staysail is your storm jib.

The most obvious is that the heat exchanger plates on the bottom of the boat have been painted or antifouled.

Bob Grey
Renaissance 3

On Tuesday, August 22, 2017, 19:24, Gavin Shaw gavingilmorelodge@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

We hope to cross this year with the ARC on an Amel 55 from 2012.

 

We are completely new to the boat and have not sailed an Amel before. We would therefore really appreciate advice from Amel 55 owners with ocean experience, particularly on these topics.

1.       The ideal trade wind rig with the apparent wind below 15 knots and the best reduced sail plan with a stronger wind. In addition to the standard cutter rig we have a cruising chute and a Code 0 on board.

2.       Any tips on setting up the pole for long term running to minimise chafe and wear on the pole and fittings?

3.       How best to rig a preventer on the mizzen boom when running?

4.       Should we consider a mizzen staysail, if so how best to rig it on the 55 which doesn’t seem to be set up for one?

5.       When should we use the forward staysail and whether it is safe to rig the running backstays with a tackle and integral jamming cleat like a sailing dinghy mainsheet? (To avoid blocking the secondary winch on the windward side)

6.       I don’t think we have a storm jib or trysail but imagine we should use the forward staysail and deeply reefed main in heavy weather. Do we need additional heavy weather sails?

7.       Our fridge and freezer are not working properly. The freezer struggles to reach -5C and the fridge achieves no cooling at all.They are Frigoboat units with keel coolers, made by Veco. The boat is currently in Golfe Juan where the local service company seem unable to fix them. Any suggestions would be welcome.

Many thanks for experienced input on any of these topics.

Gavin



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best trade wind rig for an Amel 55

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Gavin,

 You said, "We were thinking of poling-out the genoa to windward and using the Code 0 on the other side when not blanketed by the main."

I have done this on a SM and it works fine...if the main blankets, furl the main and you will speed up...you can use the mizzen if the wind is forward of 150 degrees and using the mizzen in this configuration does help reduce roll.

I should have mentioned that Jimmy Cornell is a friend and I could be prejudiced, but when you analyze the two Atlantic crossing rallies that Jimmy Cornell founded, The ARC and The Atlantic Odyssey, the only reason to pay $$$+ more for the ARC is if you like racing and don't mind being 1 of 275+ boats. That said, you and I both know that if two are more boats are in sight of each other, a race will probably begin. Jimmy emphasizes safety, families, and cruising. The ARC is more of a race.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best trade wind rig for an Amel 55

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi all,


 This is our experience--we crossed east to west with the Arc in 2002 ( when it suffered its first fatality, one brother falling overboard from a two brother boat, drowning despite being attached on his harness. The boat was doing 8 knots .)

 We enjoyed the competitive sailing, crossing two up in just over 17 days ,  for the most part just poling out our genoa . We had some good parties in Las Palmas at the start and many more at the end.Over the  next seven months that we were in the eastern Caribbean we bumped into a number of friends whom we had met through the Arc and 15 years later still stay in touch with a handful, now scattered all over the world.


 Do you feel safer on a rally ? The fact that we didn't see another boat for the whole crossing after the first 24 hours says it all. Whether you are on a rally or crossing solo an ocean is a big place and you are entirely on your own. Yes, there have been occasions when one Arc boat has been able to help another but you would be unwise to rely on that happening.


Our subsequent ocean passages  circumnavigating South America and crossing back to Europe from the Bahamas were all solo. The Arc is the only rally that we have been on, but it was great fun and if setting off for the Caribbean again from Europe we would certainly consider doing it again.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 23 August 2017 04:14:47
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best trade wind rig for an Amel 55
 

I hate to be a party pooper. I feel that rally’s gives one a false sense of security.

If you are attending for the camaraderie , then that’s good.

 

If you feel that someone is going to help you out in the middle of a long passage, I would not count on it.

I have sailed Kimberlite somewhere between 73-76,000 miles and have never been in a rally. I have heard of disastrous happenings on the radio from rallies. A benefit is weather routing.

 

My friend Eric Forsyth just left  NY for the Azores having already logged 375,000 miles on his home made 42 footer. He is 85 years young. I asked what he did about weather routing and he said “I just go out and deal with it”. You might check out his website www.yachtfiona.com. He has never sailed in a rally. 2 circumnavigations the Antarctic 3 times, Northwest passage and more.

 

I would rather be 101% prepared before leaving a port and sailing  on my own.

I have made many long passages sometimes singlehanded.

 

I guess to each his own.

I just remember being the last person to speak to Triple Stars before the wife died. They were in the NARC rally. There were fast Swans in the rally and the slowest was Triple Stars a Pacific Seacraft they were 190 miles from the leader and 80 miles from the nearest NARC member

 

I recall one brother drowning on an ARC because he was over the side and could not disconnect from his harness.

 

There was Stars and  Stripes sailing just west of me and was lost with all hands.

 

Numerous boats have hit whales and had to jury rig things to make it home. I remember a boat with a red sail and  a sail number 666, lost and never heard of again. There are others , but I cannot remember.

 

Fortunately you can hit a whale without much, if any damage to your boat- we did off of Grand Canaria.

You might look at the ORC category 1 monohull rules for your boats passage.

 

I wish you good luck on your passage.

 

I would also highly recommend that you have a Jordan Series Drogue on hand made by the originator Ace Sailmakers in Connecticut. It is a lifesaver in extreme weather. I sailed through a hurricane with it.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 5:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best trade wind rig for an Amel 55

 

 

Gavin

Agree 100% about going with Jimmy Cornell, Last year we sailed a rally called the Barbados 50 but now the Canary Rally I think, we were ca 30 boats sailing all Canary Islands and the Cape Verde together. It was very nice indeed and we got many cruising friends that we now and then sail together with. Very good value for money, we all agree to that and almost all participants after the finish said that this was one the best thing so fare ever.

When we crossed we sailed more than 70% of the time with pooled out Genua and Balooner. We were first monohull and beat many multihull, only performance multihull faster than us.

Paul on SY Kerpa SM259 now in Newport

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best trade wind rig for an Amel 55

gavin <gavingilmorelodge@...>
 

Thanks again Eric, as before see further comments below, Gavin

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: 23 August 2017 05:15
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best trade wind rig for an Amel 55

 

 

I hate to be a party pooper. I feel that rally’s gives one a false sense of security.

If you are attending for the camaraderie , then that’s good.

 

If you feel that someone is going to help you out in the middle of a long passage, I would not count on it.

I have sailed Kimberlite somewhere between 73-76,000 miles and have never been in a rally. I have heard of disastrous happenings on the radio from rallies. A benefit is weather routing. I’m copying your perspectives to the skipper, for his consideration

 

My friend Eric Forsyth just left  NY for the Azores having already logged 375,000 miles on his home made 42 footer. He is 85 years young. I asked what he did about weather routing and he said “I just go out and deal with it”. You might check out his website www.yachtfiona.com. He has never sailed in a rally. 2 circumnavigations the Antarctic 3 times, Northwest passage and more. Fascinating, thank you for the references

 

I would rather be 101% prepared before leaving a port and sailing  on my own.

I have made many long passages sometimes singlehanded.

 

I guess to each his own. Agreed

I just remember being the last person to speak to Triple Stars before the wife died. They were in the NARC rally. There were fast Swans in the rally and the slowest was Triple Stars a Pacific Seacraft they were 190 miles from the leader and 80 miles from the nearest NARC member

 

I recall one brother drowning on an ARC because he was over the side and could not disconnect from his harness.

 

There was Stars and  Stripes sailing just west of me and was lost with all hands.

 

Numerous boats have hit whales and had to jury rig things to make it home. I remember a boat with a red sail and  a sail number 666, lost and never heard of again. There are others , but I cannot remember.

 

Fortunately you can hit a whale without much, if any damage to your boat- we did off of Grand Canaria. You might look at the ORC category 1 monohull rules for your boats passage.

 

I wish you good luck on your passage. Many thanks Eric

 

I would also highly recommend that you have a Jordan Series Drogue on hand made by the originator Ace Sailmakers in Connecticut. It is a lifesaver in extreme weather. I sailed through a hurricane with it. Hopefully the skipper will consider it.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 5:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Best trade wind rig for an Amel 55

 

 

Gavin

Agree 100% about going with Jimmy Cornell, Last year we sailed a rally called the Barbados 50 but now the Canary Rally I think, we were ca 30 boats sailing all Canary Islands and the Cape Verde together. It was very nice indeed and we got many cruising friends that we now and then sail together with. Very good value for money, we all agree to that and almost all participants after the finish said that this was one the best thing so fare ever.

When we crossed we sailed more than 70% of the time with pooled out Genua and Balooner. We were first monohull and beat many multihull, only performance multihull faster than us.

Paul on SY Kerpa SM259 now in Newport