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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge maitenance

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alan, 

I stand by the use of bleach as I stated earlier which was a very diluted solution for a limited time and exposure only to the bilge and copper bonding strap. I think you need the bleach to kill the bad stuff in there. The only slight risk issue is the copper bonding strap which you will likely need to replace every 5-8 y,ears, anyway. So, maybe my suggestion will cause you to replace that copper X months earlier. 

Almost every decision that you will make requires weighing and mitigating risks. For instance, if you don't run your engine, or set your sails, they may never need replacing. Or, if you don't run your engine and keep your sails flogging, you'll hurt your sails and lower engine hours.   

Does this make sense?  


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Aug 27, 2017 9:05 AM, "bazgrayson@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi All, so Bleach is bad. What is the best alternative to use to clean the showers and heads and anything else that goes into the bilge or will touch copper tubes?

Alan Grayson
Not an owner yet ( but hopefully soon) if everyone stops buying all the inventory



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm

Paul Osterberg
 

Ken

When you service the propeller, exactly what is done? Is it new bearings? Can one fix that one self or do I need to send it away? We have clean bottom and newly Velox on the propeller, and Greased the propeller but it  only reach 2600 rev on our TMD 22. Before we reached 2800, I thought it might be the turbo being slow and need cleaning again, or the injectors. We hade the turbo serviced 1000 h ago, do not know how often one should service it, we try to now and then runthe engine hard for 20 to 30 minutes to clean out some carbon dust.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 currently in Bristol RI


Re: Greasing the Bamar 1.01 Furler

Dean Gillies
 

Thanks Porter and Bill,
Will start with the grease packing and take it from there.
We've owned the boat for 3 weeks, already sailed 1000 miles and put 130 hours on the motor.
Jan and I absolutely love the boat. We just have a few issues to resolve with things like LED lights, aircon pump, the furler and installing a new solar system. 

Porter, I noticed you installed an Emek arch with solar, which looks great.  We already have Simpson Lawrence davits, so we're looking for a walk-under arch solution which will fit on top of the davits. I have 720W of panels, and plan to use the Victron 150/35 charge controller.  Where did you locate your controller?

Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
AMEL 54 #154



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm

karkauai
 

Brenton's, the US AutoProp people told me that mine was pitched for a 100 HP Yanmar, not my 78HP Volvo.  Amel said they've used the same prop for both engines without problems.

Others with this problem have serviced the prop and solved the problem.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm

karkauai
 

Hi Pat.

You may remember that I spent several $K trying to sort out the same problem right after I bought Kristy.  The blades on my Auto Prop turned freely, so I convinced myself that it was OK.  I wish I'd have serviced it early in the process, and believe it would have saved me a lot of time and money.

 Do you have the 78HPVolvo TMD?  No smoke?
I dove on my prop the other day in StMichaels and after 6 weeks the prop had 1/2inch of algae growing on the blades.

Do yo have an AutoProp?  If it hasn't been serviced in a while, that's the first thing I would do after cleaning it up.

I bought a 100psi oil-less compressor at Harbor Freight, a 50ft hose, and a used 2nd stage regulator for under $150...it works a treat as a hookah system for cleaning the bottom, unfouling the prop, changing zincs, and could even allow me to i foul an anchor in 20 ft of water.  It's a 110AC pump that I run with my inverter.

Let me know if you need some help.

Kent
S/V Kristy SM243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge maitenance

Alan Grayson
 

Hi All, so Bleach is bad. What is the best alternative to use to clean the showers and heads and anything else that goes into the bilge or will touch copper tubes?
Alan Grayson
Not an owner yet ( but hopefully soon) if everyone stops buying all the inventory


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Don't pole out the Genaker?

Sv Garulfo
 

Thanks Peter

It may well be the same sail that I've been calling a Genaker with a built-in furler (and a luff line). We did tear it too last week. 

You didn't mention the wind angle, but presumably it's pretty dead downwind to have the genoa poled out to winward. Didn't you feel a need to also pole out the Code zero? I understand you said you have only one pole, but did you wish you had two? 

We do have two poles, and I'm still confused about whether it's ok to use on the Genaker/Cruising Code Zero (as the combination of gear sold by Amel for that boat suggests) or not (as the documentation reads). 

Best,

Thomas 

Garulfo 
Amel 54 #122
Back from Corsica
Hyeres, France


On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 10:32, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Well both sails were on Carango when I bought her from Rudi Peroni. The Yankee is a slightly high cut genoa and in this rig set up we completely unfurl it to the pole. The code zero has its own luff line and a furler with an everlasting furling rope on a drum at the foot. It can only be fully deployed or fully rolled up. It is a great sail and after destroying it we are having a replacement made by Ullman sails inCape Town - they ship it to St Maarten where they have a small loft.

Peter


On 26 Aug 2017, at 07:25, SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Thanks Peter for your answers 

For my understanding ,

1. Is your Yankee a specific sail or simply the genoa (ie foresail) furled in appropriately for the conditions? I presume the latter. 

2. Is your Code Zero the 100m^2 Genaker with 'built-in furling' (for my lack of a better word) Amel offered as an option on the 54, or a specific sail?

3. What wind angles would you keep that setup for?

Cheers 

Garulfo 
Amel 54 #122
Back from Corsica
Hyeres, France

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 at 21:59, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Garulfo,

We sailed from Cape Town to Salvador Brazil flying a poled out Yankee on the just windward side and the code Zero on the just downwind side ( a huge amount of sail) and Mizzen of course with preventer downwind side and our 54 sailed really fast and comfortably in up to 22kts true.

All went well until we were hit by a squall of 27 kits and the code Zero blew out but no other damage.

This is definitely a rig I will use again. We only have the one Amel 54 standard pole.

Peter Forbes
00447836 209730


On 25 Aug 2017, at 18:22, SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,

I was going through the Amel documentation for the 54 optional items and, regarding the gennaker with built-in furler, it reads "Don't pole out this sail" and "Don't use the gennaker at the same time as the genoa". That's my translation of the french document 'Amel 54_Equipement_optionel_V1.4', section 7-3-7.  

What do you make of that advice? 

I was definitely planning to use the double pole setup with gennaker and genoa for downwind sailing. 

Thanks for any advice and experience,

Fair winds 

Thomas

Garulfo 
Amel 54 #122
Back from Corsica
Hyeres, France

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Amel 54 #122
Corsica, France

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GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Corsica, France

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GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Corsica, France


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Pat,

Velox worked very well for me when I was in the Bahamas, but in San Juan, PTortola and Sint Maarten it doesn’t work…
I think it depends how much barnacles there will be or may be the water temperature…

So if you were able to get 3000 then I would bet your issue is barnacle build up.
When I was in San Juan I did an engine run (at the dock) and was shocked not to be able to exceed 1350 rpm… I dove and saw lots of barnacles on the prop, I cleaned it, then was able to go back to 2200 rpm.

Joel then ave the trick to put a black plastic bag on the propeller.

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Sun, 8/27/17, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@aol.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 27, 2017, 7:22 AM


 









Alexandre, That is not my issue, I failed to
say that I have always been able to top out at about 3000 or
3100 rpm and about 8.3 kts. I had put Velux prop anti foul
on my prop last year and three months later I could not
believe how many barnacles I had . The company never
responded to my questions . I surmised that if it works , it
is not meant for fresh or brackish water. I know some bottom
paint is not to be used in fresh water. 
Thanks, 

Pat






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Sent: Sun, Aug 27, 2017 7:55 am

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm








 













Good morning Pat,





It is a common problem that some of us have,


In my case, even with a rebuilt propeller, new turbo and
clean hull I was not able to exceed 2350 rpm.


Even thought my boat is heavier than recommended, I believe
it is because of the oversize propeller, Kent on Kristy re
pitched his and can now go 2800 rpm.





Sincerely, Alexandre


SM2K #289 NIKIMAT


IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA





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On Sun, 8/27/17, sailw32@aol.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:





Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm


To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com


Date: Sunday, August 27, 2017, 6:43 AM








 





























This summer I have not been able to


motor above 2200 rpm , but in neutral I can go right up
to


3000 . I have not been able to dive on the prop to see if
it


is fouled do to an injury. If I had a problem with fuel
,


turbo etc. would I be able to get up to 3000 in neutral
but


not in gear ? Or does this indicate just a fouled


prop. Thanks,PatSM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Greasing the Bamar 1.01 Furler

Porter McRoberts
 

Dean 
The plate sans screws just levers out easily to reveal a grease packed gearing. Grease should completely fill the space. Often the gearing cavitation through the grease and creases a working channel, using only the small amount of grease immediately surrounding the gears. Ultimately using up that grease without mixing with the rest of he fist sized ball of grease contained within. 
Remove the plate, remove the bearing grease and then repack around the threads, carefully running the motor too and fro to work he grease in. Then repack and close up. 
A photo follows. Hope this helps!


Porter
S/V Ibis. 
54-152. Fort Lauderdale. 




On Aug 27, 2017, at 4:07 AM, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi All,

Our Bamar 1.01 staysail furling motor is very noisy.

I've read previous threads, and one thing which was suggested was to re-grease the gearing mechanism.

This part of the furler is not detailed in my manual. 

Can someone please advise if it is the nameplate (aft facing) which needs to be removed in order to access the gearing?

I can undo the four screws, but I'm not sure exactly how to remove the plate which is still quite firm.

Just thought I'd check before taking to it with a screwdriver!

Many thanks

Dean

SY Stella

Amel 54 #154



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm

Patrick McAneny
 

Alexandre, That is not my issue, I failed to say that I have always been able to top out at about 3000 or 3100 rpm and about 8.3 kts. I had put Velux prop anti foul on my prop last year and three months later I could not believe how many barnacles I had . The company never responded to my questions . I surmised that if it works , it is not meant for fresh or brackish water. I know some bottom paint is not to be used in fresh water. 
Thanks, 
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sun, Aug 27, 2017 7:55 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm

 
Good morning Pat,

It is a common problem that some of us have,
In my case, even with a rebuilt propeller, new turbo and clean hull I was not able to exceed 2350 rpm.
Even thought my boat is heavier than recommended, I believe it is because of the oversize propeller, Kent on Kristy re pitched his and can now go 2800 rpm.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA

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On Sun, 8/27/17, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, August 27, 2017, 6:43 AM


 









This summer I have not been able to
motor above 2200 rpm , but in neutral I can go right up to
3000 . I have not been able to dive on the prop to see if it
is fouled do to an injury. If I had a problem with fuel ,
turbo etc. would I be able to get up to 3000 in neutral but
not in gear ? Or does this indicate just a fouled
prop. Thanks,PatSM#123




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm

Massimo Vecchietti
 

...it is surely a prop problem !
Max
SM 84

Il 27 Ago 2017 14:43, "sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:
 

This summer I have not been able to motor above 2200 rpm , but in neutral I can go right up to 3000 . I have not been able to dive on the prop to see if it is fouled do to an injury. If I had a problem with fuel , turbo etc. would I be able to get up to 3000 in neutral but not in gear ? Or does this indicate just a fouled prop. 

Thanks,

Pat

SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Pat,

It is a common problem that some of us have,
In my case, even with a rebuilt propeller, new turbo and clean hull I was not able to exceed 2350 rpm.
Even thought my boat is heavier than recommended, I believe it is because of the oversize propeller, Kent on Kristy re pitched his and can now go 2800 rpm.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA




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On Sun, 8/27/17, sailw32@aol.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 27, 2017, 6:43 AM


 









This summer I have not been able to
motor above 2200 rpm , but in neutral I can go right up to
3000 . I have not been able to dive on the prop to see if it
is fouled do to an injury. If I had a problem with fuel ,
turbo etc. would I be able to get up to 3000 in neutral but
not in gear ? Or does this indicate just a fouled
prop. Thanks,PatSM#123


Rpm

Patrick McAneny
 

This summer I have not been able to motor above 2200 rpm , but in neutral I can go right up to 3000 . I have not been able to dive on the prop to see if it is fouled do to an injury. If I had a problem with fuel , turbo etc. would I be able to get up to 3000 in neutral but not in gear ? Or does this indicate just a fouled prop. 

Thanks,

Pat

SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge maintenance

jhe1313@...
 

Thanks everyone for the excellent advice. I will get a wet vac!  As regards the bleach, I will use it to clean the hoses and the tube in a bucket but use it only sparingly on the bilge walls.  Bill, is your book useful for the A55 as well?  If so, how do I get a copy?  Thanks again, Joerg





Re: New old maramu !

Andy Croney
 

Congratulations Miles !

Welcome to this oasis of advice and information.

We are sure you will make many , many happy memories with your ( new ) Maramu :-)

Fair winds

Andy and Fifi
SV Paladin #75


Batterie not disconnected

eljaroellinghoff@...
 

Hello everyone
I just got yesterday at the left of the boat forgot to switch off the batteries.
There are 60 days not on Board now.
All other consumers are switched off.
This can cause the discharge of batteries coming through the selfdischarge of the tank's and volt meter?

Tanks Elja SM Balu #222#


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Meltem for sale

Ron Hynes <riffhynes@...>
 

I'm not Dutch but riffhynes@... boat is registered in the Netherlands. Just arrived in Canary Islands. Have several interested people from Amel forum. 

Ron Hynes
954.319.0944

On Aug 24, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Amel Sharki amel.sharki.charmedii@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Dear Ron,

I light be interested. Are you Dutch? Cause I AM....

Kind regards, Hajé Weisfelt




Op 13 jul. 2017 4:27 a.m. schreef "Ron Hynes riffhynes@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:
 

Age and crew issues have combined to force the sale of my 1976 Amel Meltem. Experienced blue water cruiser with 2 circumnavigations under her keel.  Sound, solid vessel.


Lightning strike in June, 2015 resulted in total replacement of wind, depth, speed, radar and autopilot as well as alternator and charger/inverter, VHF, AIS w/splitter and Go-Free WIFI, HDTV and stereo (basically all electronics replaced).  New B&G Zeus and Triton equipment. 


Volvo MD32 rebuilt by certified rebuilder in Sneek, Netherlands in June, 2016. (Approximately 600 hours on since rebuild) at which time standing rigging was also replaced.  Topsides Awlgripped (White) then also.  New refrigeration/freezer (Frigoboat) June, 2016 draws about 1A per hour. Decks need refinishing. Presently lying in Majorca, Spain, but might consider delivery to other local. 


B/O over €50k takes it.  Full particulars supplied to your email response. 


Ron Hynes
A/V Swan Song
1976 Amel Meltem #29



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Greasing the Bamar 1.01 Furler

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Dean,

I have no direct knowledge about most of the following. All of my knowledge comes from reviewing Bamar manuals and  working with the Bamar furler  with several Amel School clients, but I will try to help you...so here goes... 

If you have the Bamar furler that came with your 54, it is belt-driven rather than their new and improved gear driven model.  The 1.01 & 1.02 and the 2.01& 2.02 are belt driven models. 

Amel and Bamar had some serious disagreements over these belt driven models, that resulted in the two companies ceasing to do business. Amel switched to Reckmann which makes a  fine gear-driven furler. Other owners have been referred by Amel to Bamar. Bamar updated their furler assortment offering gear-driven models instead of belt-driven. At that time Bamar wrote an open letter to 54 owners offering a reduced price to upgrade to their new gear driven model. If you are not aware of this, I can send you a copy. 

See if you can open both Port and Stbd sides of the furler to locate where the noise is coming from. It could be a number of things including the 4 brushes inside the motor. If you think it may be brushes inside the motor, write me for a procedure to open the motor. 

I hope this helps you. How long have you owned #154?


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   


On Aug 27, 2017 3:07 AM, "trifin@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi All,

Our Bamar 1.01 staysail furling motor is very noisy.

I've read previous threads, and one thing which was suggested was to re-grease the gearing mechanism.

This part of the furler is not detailed in my manual. 

Can someone please advise if it is the nameplate (aft facing) which needs to be removed in order to access the gearing?

I can undo the four screws, but I'm not sure exactly how to remove the plate which is still quite firm.

Just thought I'd check before taking to it with a screwdriver!

Many thanks

Dean

SY Stella

Amel 54 #154




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Forestay replacement on Nirvana furler equipped Maramu

James Alton
 


Graham,

    Could you kindly also send me a copy of the drawing?

Thank you,

James Alton Lokiyawl2 at aol.com
SV Sueno, Maramu #220
Currently cruising the East coast of Sardinia


Sent from Samsung tablet.

-------- Original message --------
From: "grahamjohnston42@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 8/27/17 11:33 (GMT+01:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Forestay replacement on Nirvana furler equipped Maramu

 

Hello,
Yes I have the drawing and can send it to you.
I am not quite sure what you mean regarding the mainsail gearbox, are you referring to the manual or the one mounted on the electric motor?
I will need an email address.

Regards,
Graham


Re: Forestay replacement on Nirvana furler equipped Maramu

GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com>
 

Hello,
Yes I have the drawing and can send it to you.
I am not quite sure what you mean regarding the mainsail gearbox, are you referring to the manual or the one mounted on the electric motor?
I will need an email address.

Regards,
Graham