Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurricane Harvey - Longbow
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
From faraway New Zealand we send our love and care to the people of Texas. We feel for you in the disaster you all face and we know its not over yet.The stories of heroism reveal again the best of human nature when facing terrible times and they inspire us Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurricane Harvey - Longbow
Hi James,
It is good to know that the CCCM fared well. I understand they did a few improvements there in recent years. We kept a Cheoy Lee there many years ago and at the time it was fixed old wooded docks. When we were there I never thought the sea wall would be high enough if the big one hit.
I am curious if the Port Aransas Marina and Island Moorings Marina had damage. Port A is pretty exposed and I cannot imagine how it looks today. When Island Moorings was built they were selling it as “hurricane proof”. Both of these were close to the eye.
Cindy’s parents have a house in Rockport on the bay-front. Remarkably it is still standing. Although they did suffer some water damage due to a window being blown out. It didn’t break. The whole frame was pulled out. It looked like a tornado hit their living room. Many of the houses on their street were reduced to a pile of rubble. Her dad just completed a new dock. He is an engineer and…. well… engineers being what they are …the dock survived completely unscathed.
Wishing you a speedy recovery with your health.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Grenada www.creampuff.us
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Longbow, in the Corpus Christi City Marina was extremely fortunate. At the last moment the eye of the storm turned and hit Rockport 25 miles away. Rockport, a lovely little place, was almost obliterated. There are many in the Corpus Christi and surrounding area still without power and everyone is helping each other. Longbow rode it out in the slip and her lines stretched to the max. We had left her when they called Cat 3 never expecting to see her again. To make a long story short, she didn't have a scratch on her. I'm extremely grateful because I had suffered a heart attack the week before and had just gotten out of the hospital. My prayers go out to everyone affected and my friends still stranded on their boats in Kemah. James Sterling S/V Longbow SM2K #418
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurricane Harvey - Longbow
James Sterling
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On Wednesday, August 30, 2017, 11:41:26 AM CDT, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote: James, Great news about your boat, sad news about your heart attack. I hope you get better Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool. com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:29 AM, jamessterling88@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: Anchor washdown pump replacement
Thank you Bill
I will dig into this and learn more, I send a question to Jabsco about their pumps and placement below water line, If/When I get an answer I will post it. The pumps you suggest looks solid, were do you buy them, the link was to the manufacturer and I tried to google but did not found were to buy, my internet is slow so did not made to many attempts to find a re seller Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Block Island
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Charger Thoughts?
Stephen Davis
Hi Bill, On our older SM, we have a single 100 amp Mastervolt charger which works well, and yes, we upgraded the wiring size. The charger does draw about 10 amps when it is putting 100 amps into the batteries in bulk mode, but usually steps down to a lower rate quickly, as I never discharge my batteries too far. Because we are circumnavigating on our boat, redundancy is very important, and we carry a spare 80 amp mastervolt charger. I can change the chargers out in under 30 minutes, and never have to live with a greatly reduced charging capacity. It's a great solution for us, but a little more expensive than having a 2nd 30 amp charger. We also installed a Watt and Sea hydro generator on the transom while in St Maarten last spring. We made a 3 day passage to Bonaire after installing the unit, never ran the generator, and arrived with full batteries. For anyone considering long passages, I think this is a great option. If anyone is interested in the installation, I can provide some pictures in a couple of weeks when we return to the boat. These are expensive gadgets, but we were fortunate to obtain a lightly used one from a friend in Martinique along with the custom made stainless mounting bracket for the SM. Sorry for the thread creep, but it seemed to fit in with charging the batteries. Steve Davis Aloha SM72 Aruba
On Aug 30, 2017, at 06:49, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Charger Thoughts?
greatketch@...
John, Thanks for the input. That is pretty much the way we use ours. I believe Amel's rational for installing a small charger to use a the dock was a 100 Amp charger can draw almost 10 Amps @ 220VAC when in bulk charge mode, out of the 16Amps total available from the shore power connection, leaving very little left over to run house loads. All of the modern chargers I have seen have an easy way to limit their AC current usage when supply is restricted, so the need for the smaller charger seems to have gone away as chargers have gotten more sophisticated. I am definitely thinking we will be keeping at least two chargers installed. Not being able to charge batteries because of a single point failure would be a problem. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Boston, Mass ---In amelyachtowners@..., <john.biohead@...> wrote : Hi Bill K, I have a smaller bank of 6 AGMs with a Mastervolt 40 and a Dolphin 30. I run them both for the high amp portion of a charge then finish with the Dolphin. It works fine, both are "clever" so I can run either to hold a float on the battery. One reason (aside from cabling size) to stick with two is the redundancy two chargers bring. One failure does not leave you cold. If you have a larger battery bank then perhaps slightly larger units are in order. Regards, John John Clark SV Annie SM 37 Pamlico Sound
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurricane Harvey - Longbow
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
James, Great news about your boat, sad news about your heart attack. I hope you get better Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool. 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:29 AM, jamessterling88@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Hurricane Harvey - Longbow
James Sterling
Longbow, in the Corpus Christi City Marina was extremely fortunate. At the last moment the eye of the storm turned and hit Rockport 25 miles away. Rockport, a lovely little place, was almost obliterated. There are many in the Corpus Christi and surrounding area still without power and everyone is helping each other. Longbow rode it out in the slip and her lines stretched to the max. We had left her when they called Cat 3 never expecting to see her again. To make a long story short, she didn't have a scratch on her. I'm extremely grateful because I had suffered a heart attack the week before and had just gotten out of the hospital. My prayers go out to everyone affected and my friends still stranded on their boats in Kemah.
James Sterling S/V Longbow SM2K #418
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Re: Anchor washdown pump replacement
greatketch@...
I can not comment on the saltwater toilet pumps specifically, because my boat has manual toilets, but I am not aware of any diaphragm pumps that have a secondary seal backing the diaphragm. The case might cover the diaphragm, but it is not usually designed to be water tight. Again, there might be some that are that I do not know of. I do not mean to suggest that you can never use a diaphragm pump below the waterline. It is not an unusual arrangement. You just need to be aware that a relatively thin piece of flexible rubber is all that stands between the inside of your boat and the ocean. With a well designed and built pump failure is not likely, especially if the diaphragm is replaced on a regular basis, but it is possible. There are lots of places on our boats where keeping the water out requires attention. This is just another. It is certainly not the case that other types of pumps can never leak. With the possible exception of magnetic drive seal-less pumps or more exotic "canned" pumps, any pump can leak. The difference is that a diaphragm pump can leak a LOT, and a shaft seal pump can drip or dribble. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Boston, Mass ---In amelyachtowners@..., <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote : Bill, I do not know enough about pumps. But why should a diaphragma pump have risk of flooding the boat if the diaphragma rupture if the pump house itself is intact? My two original saltwater pumps for the toilets looks very much as diaphragma pumps. Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259
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Re: Anchor washdown pump replacement
Bill,
I do not know enough about pumps. But why should a diaphragma pump have risk of flooding the boat if the diaphragma rupture if the pump house itself is intact? My two original saltwater pumps for the toilets looks very much as diaphragma pumps. Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Sea water chest
Ron Hynes <riffhynes@...>
Back in April you were kind enough to send me your design for a snake to clean the path from the sea to my sea chest on my 1976 Meltem. At that time, I took the better part of an entire day to disassemble everything from the sea cock up. Big, tough job...I barely fit between the 1st and 2d step under the companionway! I cleaned out lots of spaghetti-like marine growth. The next day, I dived and ran a flexible auger in and around as much as I could to clean the area outside the ball valve. Afterwards, engine had plenty of cooling water and none of the other users were shortchanged. A success! So 4 months later on a trip from Gibraltar to the Canaries, I noticed the engine temp rising and not high enough water in the sea chest to feed the frig compressor. To tough to turn back to Gib after 12 hours and 500 nm to the Canaries! I reversed the frig pump pulling raw sea water in through the cockpit scupper and exhausted the compressor water into the sea chest. I was able to run almost at cruising R.E.M.'s without overheating. Today in Lanzarote I made up the "tool" you suggested back in April. I needed more than 1 meter as the tortuous path on the old Meltem is on the order of 1.5 meters. I made a hole in the top of the sea chest cover so that I could open the sea cock and hopefully clean the entire pathway. I managed to work the tool down and out of the sea cock. As I was twisting and turning, always counterclockwise so that the wire didn't unbraiding, the wire started kinking. So I'm thinking of getting a plumber's snake or something stiffer. Got any ideas. I'm somewhat limited here as the hardware stores have limited selections. I'm heartened by the fact that I can navigate the 1.5M with all the right angle bends...I just need something stiffer that I can mount a wire brush on the end. Any thoughts would be much appreciated. My thoughts are with you folks in SE Texas. As a resident of Florida, I know how trying a time it is. In 2005-6, we had 7 hurricanes and the last, Wilma, nearly got me and my boat! Keep the faith, you always come out better on the other side. Ron Hynes 954.319.0944
On Apr 3, 2017, at 2:28 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper
Philippe Morel
Considering state of copper stipe after use , it's allways in the deepest zone of the bilge . Grey waters are made of soap emulsion + grease , oil etc ...grey waters are always 8 to 10 pH , it explain copper dissolution , and my decision to move to stainless stripe . In chemical reactors , we currently use hard soda boiling solutions to clean after operations , and life of copper connection wouldn't be sufficient , it explain also move to stainless .
Something more , keel by it's coating coverage ( epoxy ) is insulated from sea , do you think that stripe is to bond keel to the rest of other metallic parts or to finalize evacuation of lost current ? Philippe BELAVITA SM2K 238
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Charger Thoughts?
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Same here, did not go with the 100 Amp charger being concerned with the wiring size.
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My vessel came with the 8 house batteries and the 30 + 50 Dolphin. I don’t know if vessels that were delivered with the 12 house batteries had larger wires. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA --------------------------------------------
On Tue, 8/29/17, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Charger Thoughts? To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2017, 9:58 PM BillBoth my original units failed: 50 amp and 30 amp Dolphins. I replaced with two 60 amp Master-volts. I briefly considered a 100 Amp Master-volt unit but original wiring size would not support higher amps. However, since each 60 Amp is on different circuit I can run both at same time getting a more rapid charge - 110-115 Amp. When amp input drops below 60 I turn one unit off. So far I'm happy with units. Ben Ben and Gayle S/V La Bella VitaSM #347Le Marin Martinique Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:54 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: It's getting time to update our 220V/24V charging systems, and I am hoping the collective wisdom here can shorten my research efforts. Our current system is a mish-mash of original and replacement units. We have one 50 Amp charger from the original Amel installation, and two 25 Amp Xantrex units. One of the Xantrex units has died. Is there any reason to maintain the original Amel installation of a large (100 Amp) charger AND a smaller (30 Amp) charger for use on shore power? I assume a modern 100 Amp charger can easily hold a 450 Amp-hr battery bank at float voltage even under no load without over-charging. Anyone have a recommendation for a large (100 Amp or greater) 220VAC/24VDC charger? There do not seem to be very many available for 24VDC service. Anyone have recommendations for units NOT to consider? I have experienced poor reliability with several different Xantrex units. Although a limited data set, once burned, twice shy. We have AGM batteries, so we can make good use of high charging currents, for much of the charging cycle. Bill KinneySM160, HarmonieBoston, Mass
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Friction washers for hatches
Patrick McAneny
Bill, I agree , and I can't see anything special about them. Could be another case of exaggerated prices , being that its for a boat. I have friends with planes , they tell me its even worse.
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Thanks,
Pat
-----Original Message----- From: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Tue, Aug 29, 2017 8:11 pm Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Friction washers for hatches For that price, they better be very, very special indeed. I wonder what the works out to on a $/gram basis?
For my money, I'd try the hardware store washer. If it doesn't work well, or dies an early death you can try those extra special ones.
Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Boston, Mass
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery Charger Thoughts?
John Clark
Hi Bill K, I have a smaller bank of 6 AGMs with a Mastervolt 40 and a Dolphin 30. I run them both for the high amp portion of a charge then finish with the Dolphin. It works fine, both are "clever" so I can run either to hold a float on the battery. One reason (aside from cabling size) to stick with two is the redundancy two chargers bring. One failure does not leave you cold. If you have a larger battery bank then perhaps slightly larger units are in order. Regards, John John Clark SV Annie SM 37 Pamlico Sound
On Aug 29, 2017 9:54 PM, "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Stern Seal
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Mawgan. Sent from my Vodafone Smart
On 30 Aug 2017 21:07, "gashman@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper [1 Attachment]
alainfeuillet@...
Thanks Bill and Vladimir for these comments.
Before going to stainless steel I considered the following: 1- I own Pilgrim since 7 years and live onboard 6 month a year in winter. She is now 27 years old. So I adhere to the principle not to change Amel concept in the early years... 2- the purpose of this strap is NOT to provide a bonding or earth to SM system but to link the keel cast iron to the bonding system and, in case of scratch in the keel protection to protect it from corrosion with the rudder zinc connected to the said bonding system. In any case there should be nearly 0 amps in the strap. 3- the copper solution put a copper/stainless steel liaison in fluids which are certainly good to facilitate contact corrosion. I believe it is better to have this link out of the fluids. 4- the keel bolt on which we screw the strap is made of stainless steel ... not copper If Olivier Beaute can read this topic, could he brings some Amel lights? Fair winds to all Alain PILGRIM SM#26
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Stern Seal
Mawgan grace
Hi all,
Just changed the stern brass and seals due to milky oil in the C drive. All went well and followed the procedures posted exactly. However the oil seems to be leaking. Filled up again and after 20 min motoring no oil. Any suggestions? Does this mean another costly haul out? Used new Amel brass and seals. Regards, Mawgan SV Jovic SM #310 Hong Kong
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor washdown pump replacement
Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
I extended the forward head water laine and connected it to the fresh water system of the boat. Salt water pump is now resting in a bin somewhere….
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Jean-Pierre Germain SY Eleuthera, SM 007
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Battery Charger Thoughts?
Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
Hello Bill K,
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I have a vintage SM. Hull 007! … as expected, both my units went to the big battery charger in the sky … I replaced with one 60 amp Cotek and a Mastervolt 50 amp. Like Ben, I briefly considered a 100 Amp Master-volt unit but wiring size is not “man enough”. I operate them as Ben described: each unit is on different circuit I can run both at same time getting a more rapid charge - 110-115 Amp. COTEK is a commercial grade unit made in Canada and used almost exclusively by the east coast fishing fleets. 2 1/2 years now and great gear. Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM 007
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