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[Amel Yacht Owners] Tangier Marina

Sv Garulfo
 

Hello,

We are thinking of stopping by Tangier Morocco later this season, and we were wondering if anyone has been there recently and could provide feedback on port/Marina facilities.
We have read the noonsite info and also know that the new Marina is not yet open.
Just wondering if anyone has experienced the tide in the old port and could report back on their stay there.

Thanks for your input.

Best Wishes,

Thomas & Soraya


Garulfo 
Amel 54 #122
Cruising Menorca, Spain


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel sharki

smiles bernard
 

lovely video and inspiring - thanks for sharing it 

I'm trying to figure out how to set up my maramu for long distance and have a couple of qs that i wondered if you might be kind enough to help with - based on looking at your setup.

- What downwind rig did you find works well on your Sharki?
I see you have a pole up to port but are plying the genny to starbd. did you ever fly twin headsails? If so how do yoiu set this up? two pole or just to windward and what size sail?

- Self steering. I've used a monitor and a hydrovane - both were amazing. My new boat has neither :( just electric autopilot. One option is to just stick with the electric one i have - not ideal imo. the other option is to remove a rear gantry with solar and wind setup currently and instead just use solar along the rails like you have. How do you find your solar setup? It looks like they are attached direct to the rails with additional supports down to the toe rails?

Many thanks Miles
Maramu 162


On Monday, September 18, 2017, 10:15:46 PM GMT+1, hanoah64@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Also, there is a youtube video of Hanoah sailing down wind in the Indian Ocean. Look for Amel Sharki Hydovane on youtube. The video was made with a cell phone so the quality is not that special.


Antigua November

Mike Ondra
 

Vladimir. 
We too plan to be traveling to Antigua in November departing from the Chesapeake around November 5. What will be your point of departure?
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240
Rock Hall, MD

On Sep 19, 2017, at 3:15 AM, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Alex,

As it stands now, we plan sailing trip to Antigua in November with Salty Dawg s
If it goes forward we can bring something to you from US take you to Antigua.
You can contact me sonsev52 that is gml.

SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"
Vladimir Sonsev
Tel/Text: 202 258 1916


On Sep 18, 2017 8:26 AM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good morning Paul,

Thank you for your email.

I think Hurricane Maria is too far from Sint Maarten to have any effect, but I feel for Dominica and may be south of Guadeloupe.

I have LOTS of spare parts.
The only things I did not save were the rudder zinc because of their weight/price ratio and the water maker filter because of their volume/price ratio.

Once I am done replying all the encouragement message I received on Facebook (Amel NIKIMAT) and post of the hurricane preparation and evacuation, I will start to take pictures and describe what I have.

Hope we meet and glad you are safe in Grenada!
Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Sun, 9/17/17, pstas2003 <no_reply@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amfa domestic watrer pump.wired backwards from the factory.
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 17, 2017, 9:25 PM


 









Alex,

Glad to hear
things are getting better for you.  Hoping that Maria will
turn out to be a dud.

I
know I am late to the party but I would be very interested
in taking that domestic water pump off your hands should
things with prior inquiries fail to come to fruition.  I
would also like to let you know that I would be interested
in any other spares you may be looking to dispose of.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Cruising Grenada

www.RitaKathryn.com







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Swivel head

Alan Leslie
 

I would never ever put grease in anything like that. All it will do is hold on to salt and dirt and amplify any problems.
Best to just thoroughly rinse with fresh water, again and again......
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amfa domestic watrer pump.wired backwards from the factory.

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Alex,

As it stands now, we plan sailing trip to Antigua in November with Salty Dawg s
If it goes forward we can bring something to you from US take you to Antigua.
You can contact me sonsev52 that is gml.

SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"
Vladimir Sonsev
Tel/Text: 202 258 1916


On Sep 18, 2017 8:26 AM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good morning Paul,

Thank you for your email.

I think Hurricane Maria is too far from Sint Maarten to have any effect, but I feel for Dominica and may be south of Guadeloupe.

I have LOTS of spare parts.
The only things I did not save were the rudder zinc because of their weight/price ratio and the water maker filter because of their volume/price ratio.

Once I am done replying all the encouragement message I received on Facebook (Amel NIKIMAT) and post of the hurricane preparation and evacuation, I will start to take pictures and describe what I have.

Hope we meet and glad you are safe in Grenada!
Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 9/17/17, pstas2003 <no_reply@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amfa domestic watrer pump.wired backwards from the factory.
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 17, 2017, 9:25 PM


 









Alex,

Glad to hear
things are getting better for you.  Hoping that Maria will
turn out to be a dud.

I
know I am late to the party but I would be very interested
in taking that domestic water pump off your hands should
things with prior inquiries fail to come to fruition.  I
would also like to let you know that I would be interested
in any other spares you may be looking to dispose of.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Cruising Grenada

www.RitaKathryn.com





Re: Swivel head

Ian Park
 

John
Mine failed. It got very stiff. When I dropped it to deck level the two halves of the unit wobbled and bits of delrin bearings fell out. So do try washing first - with hot water only and see if it frees up. But try the wiggle test. Don't know if the Mango top swivel is the same/similar to the Santorin. I had to detach the bottom of the forestry to slide mine off. Inside are two plastic plugs which you remove and pour out the delrin bearings. Mine were 10mm (actually 9.5) and I bought 2 packs of Harken 10 mm bearings. You feed them in through the plug holes and they keep the two halves securely together- provided you replace the two plugs. It is a simple and robust system that Henri may have carried over from the Mango.

Good luck

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN 96 on the hard Grenada


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Swivel head

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi John, as a first shot give it a good rinse with fresh water to get the salt crystals out of it. . On a previous boat I had one seize up mid Pacific. We unfurled the sail by hand, lowered the sail. Gave the swivel a good wash and it freed up. For good measure we pumped a bit of grease in. It fixed the problem. I have since been told not to put grease in but on that occasion it was fine and I kept it greased for the rest of my ownership, about another 5 years. Didn't seem to do it any harm.

May not fix yours but its a simple first try.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 19 September 2017 at 15:11 "John Broersen cestsibon1@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good evening Amel owners,

I own a Amel Mango and the swivel head on the genoa furler is almost seized up. I have not taken it apart yet, I am wondering what kind of parts if any I need to repair the swivel head?
Thanks for any help, Amel Mango C'est si Bon
John


 


Swivel head

John Broersen
 

Good evening Amel owners,

I own a Amel Mango and the swivel head on the genoa furler is almost seized up. I have not taken it apart yet, I am wondering what kind of parts if any I need to repair the swivel head?
Thanks for any help, Amel Mango C'est si Bon
John


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel SM 2000 windless switch

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Steve,

I always bought the windlass switches from Amel. They were 5-6 euros each.

It is true that UV will destroy the rubber...BUT...UV and weather is not really that good for the windlass. I always recommend using a canvass cover for the windlass. If you do, you will only have to replace these rubber switches every 10 years. It also looks much sharper covered.

Another owner bought replacement switches from:
Imtra Corporation
30 Samuel Barnet Boulevard
New Bedford, MA 02745
email: contact"at"imtra.com
Main Phone Number: 508-995-7000
But, you would need the part number for the momentary-on push button switch, or the specifications, which I do not have.

I suggest that you order these switches from SAV"at"amel.fr when you place an order for other parts. In the meantime, use some RTV on the rubber cap to keep water out, and think about a cover for the windlass.

I am sorry that I could not get you more information.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970







On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
Steve,

SAV"at"Amel.fr for sure. I will post later the size and specifications. You may be able to find locally. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Sep 18, 2017 13:06, "caliber33verizon.net@...m [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 

 It's the one on top of the windless Where can order one of these?




Re: Amel SM 2000 windless switch

greatketch@...
 

When the rubber boots on mine failed I replaced the external windlass switches with these:


Waterproof, Sealed with o-rings, no exposed rubber to rot in the sun.

If these fail, I'll likely plug the holes permanently and only use my handheld remote, which is a better solution anyway.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, Maryland



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel SM 2000 windless switch

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Fred,

Thank you so much for your very nice message.

And thanks for thinking of me as one of the most experienced…
Gary Silver and Bill Rouse wrote many articles so really they deserve the compliments, all I did was illustrating these.

Sure I made a few on my own like the windlass, Onan Exhaust elbow, but it is only because of all the help I received from the forum. Like Mark explaining to me how to remove the panel of the kitchen cabinet, not to mention Eric and so on.

If I was buying another vessel, it would definitely be a Super Maramu.
For now, I fear the insurance since I had a bad experience 3 years ago… so will see.

in 2012/13 I spent 9 months preparing NIKIMAT, plus another 3 in 2014/15, someone on the forum wrote, I would spend 20% of the boat on the first year, then 10% after, I practically spent 20% every year… everything was working, every little thing I would see on the forum I would do, etc. plus I had everything I needed for my trip (which is very different than many). I am not sure I want to go through that again.

Therefore, please do not worry, I will keep all the illustrations on.
I own supermaru.com (and I believe supermaramu2000.com) so even if I use NIKIMAT.com for something else, all the illustrations will remain accessible for all Amel Owners. And when I have some time, I will make a crude page at least linking all of them.
I might no longer own an Amel, but I can not repeat enough thanks ALL the help I received from the forum over the last 5 years and I want to continue to help.

Thanks for the offer to join you and ScentStone to sail to South Africa, I really appreciate, but I need a little time, at least a year to rethink.

Thanks again for your very kind message.
Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Mon, 9/18/17, scentstone@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel SM 2000 windless switch
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 18, 2017, 2:03 PM


 









Dear Alexandre,
Please apologize if my words
doesn’t match your situation.
I think that you’re currently
living with a lot of courage a very difficult situation and
I would like to share with you some thoughts :
- I’ve already owned an Amel for
15 years so when I decided to by a new boat for a
circumnavigation project (she’s currently in Australia), I
understood that my previous experience with these boats was
invaluable in order to save time, money and moreover to
secure my project.
-
you’re one of us with the most of experience about
Super-Maramu systems and maintenance and I’m certain you
can use it now for a new project after the time let you
assimilate and analyse this “fortune de mer” and of
course let you fix everything with insurance.
- when you’ll think again at
sailing, you’ll think at a SM and you’re now absolutely
very well trained at surveying and estimating many of them
(that’s what I’ve done).At this moment, your
small 20’ container full of spare parts and stored where
you want will be a great great help and money/time saver.
Please, consider at taking some time before selling it
unless you need cash right now.
That said, if you still have enough
patience, I would like to make a request and a proposal
:
the request : would
you mind to share the magic pages on nikimat.com that you
built about many many subjects of maintenance… They are
individually accessible if we have the link but there’s
nowhere with the listing and links… Of course, if you have
any reason for that (privacy…) forget about this
request…
the
proposal : as said, ScentStone (SM2K #375) is currently in
Australia (left France Aug 2016) and I’ll take her to
South Africa next year single handed or reduced crew and
you’re more than welcome to join me if you want (and are
not already working on a new project ;-).
Good luck for the following
weeks.
Fred.S/V ScentStone SM2K
#375
Bundaberg
(AU)
You can write
privately at scentstone (at) gmail.com











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Re: Amel sharki

hanoah64@...
 

Also, there is a youtube video of Hanoah sailing down wind in the Indian Ocean. Look for Amel Sharki Hydovane on youtube. The video was made with a cell phone so the quality is not that special.


Re: Amel SM 2000 windless switch

scentstone
 

Dear Alexandre,

Please apologize if my words doesn’t match your situation.

I think that you’re currently living with a lot of courage a very difficult situation and I would like to share with you some thoughts :

- I’ve already owned an Amel for 15 years so when I decided to by a new boat for a circumnavigation project (she’s currently in Australia), I understood that my previous experience with these boats was invaluable in order to save time, money and moreover to secure my project.

- you’re one of us with the most of experience about Super-Maramu systems and maintenance and I’m certain you can use it now for a new project after the time let you assimilate and analyse this “fortune de mer” and of course let you fix everything with insurance.

- when you’ll think again at sailing, you’ll think at a SM and you’re now absolutely very well trained at surveying and estimating many of them (that’s what I’ve done).
At this moment, your small 20’ container full of spare parts and stored where you want will be a great great help and money/time saver. Please, consider at taking some time before selling it unless you need cash right now.

That said, if you still have enough patience, I would like to make a request and a proposal :

the request : would you mind to share the magic pages on nikimat.com that you built about many many subjects of maintenance… They are individually accessible if we have the link but there’s nowhere with the listing and links… Of course, if you have any reason for that (privacy…) forget about this request…

the proposal : as said, ScentStone (SM2K #375) is currently in Australia (left France Aug 2016) and I’ll take her to South Africa next year single handed or reduced crew and you’re more than welcome to join me if you want (and are not already working on a new project ;-).

Good luck for the following weeks.

Fred.
S/V ScentStone SM2K #375
Bundaberg (AU)

You can write privately at scentstone (at) gmail.com


Re: Sharki emergency tiller.

carcodespam@icloud.com <no_reply@...>
 

Gratefully I've received 2 photos from Roger of his emergeny tiller. They are here:

Thank you Roger.

Gerhard


Re: Amel SM 2000 windless switch

Mark Pitt
 


I bought mine from www.vetus-shop.com.  They are part number:

AFSTPB Push button switch (excluding relay) £24.00 each, you need two.

They are in the UK.

   Mark Pitt
   Sabbatical III, SM419, currently in Sant Carles de la Rapita, Spain


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel SM 2000 windless switch

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I bought mine from Amel La Rochelle

If you are not in a hurry and depending where you are located, mine will be available for sale (from memory I have 2 or 3 pairs).

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Lost on September 5 during Hurricane Irma at
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA



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On Mon, 9/18/17, caliber33verizon.net@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel SM 2000 windless switch
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 18, 2017, 1:05 PM


 









 It's the one on top of the
windless Where can order one of these?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel SM 2000 windless switch

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Steve,

SAV"at"Amel.fr for sure. I will post later the size and specifications. You may be able to find locally. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Sep 18, 2017 13:06, "caliber33verizon.net@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 It's the one on top of the windless Where can order one of these?



Amel SM 2000 windless switch

caliber33verizon.net@...
 

 It's the one on top of the windless Where can order one of these?


Re: Sharki emergency tiller.

hanoah64@...
 

Good question. I will first take some photos then figure out how to post them. Stay tuned.

Roger


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs and Temperature reading

Patrick McAneny
 

Alex, Todd had a SM for a year or so and had just this spring bought a Maramu . I hope this does not come to pass , but it looks like Hurricane Maria may pass through the Virgins . We already feel so bad for the people there , they surely don't need this , we hope they are spared from further damage , they have had enough! 
Good Luck,
Pat
SM Shenanigans



-----Original Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Mon, Sep 18, 2017 8:18 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs and Temperature reading

 
Thank you Pat & Diane,

Whether it was for maintenance & repairs over the last 5 years, or during Hurricane Irma, I have received a tremendous support, so I will try to continue to be participate on the forum.

I have hundred of pictures that I haven’t categorized.

Was Todd Duff owning a Santorin? If so, I remember seeing the boat almost a year ago.

Thanks for your kind message.
Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Sun, 9/17/17, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs and Temperature reading
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, September 17, 2017, 5:31 PM


 









Alexandre
, I am humbled that amid all the chaos around you , you
would take  your time to respond . Diane and I have been
following you constantly on facebook well before Irma
struck. We could not be sadder for your lose , and for the
extremely difficult times you are going through . Take heart
in the knowledge that hundreds of people around the world
have you in their thoughts and prayers. We have another
friend that lives and works in the BVIs , and has for
decades , Todd Duff . Todd also lost his Amel in Nanny Cay ,
if he reads this , we would like him to know as well , that
we are thinking of him and his family and wish them a timely
recovery.
Best of Luck Alex,

Pat & Diane,

SM Shenanigans






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From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

To: amelyachtowners
<amelyachtowners@...>

Sent: Sun, Sep 17, 2017 9:30 am

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs and Temperature
reading








 













Good afternoon Pat,





I am slowly reading, in disorder, the Amel post and wanted
to share my experience on the engine temperature.


The gage was showing my engine was running 195*F, I thought
it was 10*F higher than normal.


So 3 years ago in Florida, a diesel company pushed me in
spending over $8,000 in engine work over a 5 months period
(heat exchanger cooling, re-calibrate injector, new turbo,
thermostat, and so on) then my engine was running even
warmer (205*F) (which we later find was due to an air pocket
in the radiator - then I was glad to be back 195*F.


The gage was tested and was ok.


Then at the end I had a 2nd gage installed on the engine and
it showed a 20*F cooler temperature…


So looking back I think it was the “wire” between the
sensor and the gage that was getting old and showing a false
reading.


Based on my experience and the fact you also have a 20*F
difference between the gage and infrared gun, I suspect you
have the same issue as I had.





Sincerely, Alexandre


SM2K #289 NIKIMAT


Lost on September 5 during Hurricane Irma at


IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA





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On Sat, 9/16/17, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:





Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs and Temperature
reading


To: amelyachtowners@...


Date: Saturday, September 16, 2017, 8:18 AM








 





























Mark, I


for one agree , I wish I did not have a turbo, just
another


complexity , that is really not necessary . You brought
up


one other issue that I am dealing with , engine
temperature


. I had a new Volvo instrument panel installed a few
years


ago and the temp gauge ran hot like 230 F. The mechanic


installed a 10 ohm resister  I think, in the wiring to


bring the reading down . Seemed very arbitrary to me ,


seemed to me a Volvo gauge should correctly read a Volvo


sender without regulating the signal. So I have never
had


faith in the gauge and running hard 2500 rpm the gauge
reads


225 F. , using a infrared gun at the thermostat I have
had


readings of 200 to 205 or higher . This is another reason
I


have ran slower to keep the temp. down. I clean the heat


exchanger yearly ,transmission cooler, new impeller ,etc.
I


am not sure if I have an overheating problem or not ,
not


sure what one would expect the temp to be at the
thermostat


, two different guns give me different readings and the


gauge can't be trusted.


Its always something,





Pat 





SM#123




















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From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@...


[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>





To: amelyachtowners


<amelyachtowners@...>





Sent: Fri, Sep 15, 2017 5:05 pm





Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs


























 










































































Pat,











 











Salt water is


the enemy. I am hoping someone else will chime in here as
I


am not familiar


with the elbow and the exhaust set up on Volvo. You may
be


getting a fine mist or


steam into the turbo. I am really not sure.











 











On the Yanmar


it is important to keep the elbow clean because carbon


coated sides can aid to


a back up of water into the turbo as the walls can
retain


water once the engine


is stopped turning into salty steam. Keeping the exhaust


manifolds clean is also


a good thing.











 











Yanmar makes a


cleaner for turbos but soapy water can be used just as
well.


It involves two


people, one to drive the boat above 2000 rpm and another
to


spray cleaner into


the tubo (through the air intake) while it is turning at
a


high rate. This


removes any carbon buildup from the turbo.











 











Diesels do need


to be run hard. We are all guilty of running for long
hours


at low RPM. They really


don’t like this much. Push the throttle up for about
2-3


minutes every hour, or


so. I push mine to about 2700-2800 rpm for about 2
minutes.


This also helps to


see if the engine is cooling properly (180-195). If the
heat


exchanger is


clogged, this is when its going overheat. I get nervous


about this every time I


do it. I always expect a massive explosion and parts
flying


everywhere in the


engine room. So far, this hasn’t happened.











 











IMHO, turbo


chargers have no place on a boat. The theory is to add
more


horses with less


weight. I would take the weight over a turbo any day. I


think this is a fine


example of a manufacturer trying to adapt a land engine
for


a marine environment


without thinking it through. And, the marine market is
not


large enough for a


committed marine diesel engine company. How nice would it
be


to have a simple diesel


engine with a  compression release lever and a back up


crank start. Kinda like


the tractors of the old days. It’s a conspiracy to
make


things more complicated


for sailors. But then again, what do I know.











 




















 











With best


regards,











 











Mark











 











Skipper











Sailing Vessel


- Cream Puff











www.creampuff.us




















 





























From: amelyachtowners@...


[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]











Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 3:57 PM








To: amelyachtowners@...








Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs





























 











 






































Mark


,  What would corrode the bearings , lack of oil or the


carbon ?I just


rebuilt the turbo 500 hrs. ago for about a thousand . I


think I would prefer a


naturally aspirated engine. I just got the wastegate
 free


, but put


it back together went for a spin , still at 2000 rpm
tops.


It must be the


turbine , so I will take off and replace/rebuild it.
That


will now be about


$2000 in the last 500 hrs. or about $4 per hour. , about
the


same as fuel. This


is probably my fault for not running the engine hard
enough


. From now on , I


am going to run the snot out of it, no more Mr. Nice Guy
























Thanks all for the


input,





























Pat SM#123