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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Vetus Alarm

karkauai
 

I added raw water flow alarms in the hoses between the sea chest and the Yanmar and ONAN.  Both already have exhaust temp alarms and the Yanmar has an exhaust temp cut-off switch.  If something causes the exhaust temp to go up enough to alarm or shut off the engine, the impeller is toast.  With the flow rate alarm, I picked up a bunch of trash that stopped up the sea chest strainer.  The alarm started to sound, and I immediately  shut the Yanmar down and cleaned the strainer.  Back up and running in 3 min without having to change the hard-to-get-to raw water impeller.


Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine exhaust hull fitting and copper water lines

eric freedman
 

John,

My friend Eric Forsyth swears by Rust Bullet. I can attest to its efficacy.

Eric incidentally has logged 375,000 miles on his home built 42 foot west sail. 2 circumnavigations, northwest passage, many times to the Antarctic. He is headed to Portugal from Madera at age 85 as we speak.

If you have a time look at his website and his book that was just published.

He is also a CCA Blue water medal recipient.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 11:18 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine exhaust hull fitting and copper water lines

 

 

Thanks Eric and Bill.  

 

I spent the morning with Dr. Google learning about copper corrosion. Seems that there is a lot of chemistry involved and that the corrosion can be tough to knock out without aggressive cleaning.

 

 I like the idea of painting the lines, but they first need to be cleaned better than I am able to do in that particular corner of the ER.  I did clean off the loose blue flaky stuff and vacuum the area, but cannot get in there to wet clean and flush the lines.  My concern with a non neutralizing paint is that the corrosion can continue, and I won't see it.   



Corrosion X claims on their website that it can displace the salts that are causing the corrosion on the copper lines then protect them with a waxy film.  What do you think about Corrosion X instead of paint?   To me an "advantage" is that I can visually monitor the situation and if corrosion persists then replace the lines before they leak. 



 I think I will get a micrometer down there today and figure out the line size and see if I can get some "spare" tubing to have on hand just in case.   



                    Regards,  John

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge Pump Quit

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Have you tried sav"at"amel.fr. They had some 2 years ago. Also Emek Marine had some recently.  cagdas"at"emekmarin.com

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Oct 5, 2017 6:25 PM, "Ken Powers sailingaquarius@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Any Help Will be appreciated!

Our bilge pump was running for what seemed a long time.  So I went down to see what was up.  I found the motor running, but not pumping.  The motor drive a plastic gear that broke.

Does anyone know where I can get this part, or maybe I have to get a new bilge pump.  :)

Thanks in advance,

Ken Po wers
Aquarius SM2K #262
In Trinidad Crews Inn




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine exhaust hull fitting and copper water lines

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Sounds good as long as you are monitoring, and have something to use for emergency repair. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Oct 5, 2017 11:17 AM, "john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks Eric and Bill.  


I spent the morning with Dr. Google learning about copper corrosion. Seems that there is a lot of chemistry involved and that the corrosion can be tough to knock out without aggressive cleaning.

 I like the idea of painting the lines, but they first need to be cleaned better than I am able to do in that particular corner of the ER.  I did clean off the loose blue flaky stuff and vacuum the area, but cannot get in there to wet clean and flush the lines.  My concern with a non neutralizing paint is that the corrosion can continue, and I won't see it.   

Corrosion X claims on their website that it can displace the salts that are causing the corrosion on the copper lines then protect th em with a waxy film.  What do you think about Corrosion X instead of paint?   To me an "advantage" is that I can visually monitor the situation and if corrosion persists then replace the lines before they leak. 

 I think I will get a micrometer down there today and figure out the line size and see if I can get some "spare" tubing to have on hand just in case.   

                    Regards,  John


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 [1 Attachment]

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Anti-siphon system for either your Volvo or Onan. Was there a particular part you are asking about?


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Oct 5, 2017 9:45 AM, "Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from Peter Forbes included below]

Can any wise person tell me what this device is for and how I find a plastic replacement in Europe?

Peter Forbes
Amel 54 #035 
Grenada



Re: Bilge Pump Quit

Alan Leslie
 

We had exactly the same problem.
The prices for replacement parts were ridiculously high so we replaced it with a Johnson Viking 32.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Speaking of temperatures and alarms

greatketch@...
 

I was actually thinking about adding a 24 Volt blower, not running it off the 12 volt starting battery.  Adding a snap switch thermostat that came on at temperatures of 120F (50C) or so.

Not a high priority project, but just something that I hope would help my electronics that live in the engine room...

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Back Creek, Annapolis, MD


Bilge Pump Quit

Ken Powers <sailingaquarius@...>
 

Any Help Will be appreciated!

Our bilge pump was running for what seemed a long time.  So I went down to see what was up.  I found the motor running, but not pumping.  The motor drive a plastic gear that broke.

Does anyone know where I can get this part, or maybe I have to get a new bilge pump.  :)

Thanks in advance,

Ken Powers
Aquarius SM2K #262
In Trinidad Crews Inn



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Speaking of temperatures and alarms

Ryan Meador
 

I've been contemplating making this change myself, particularly since my 12V blower doesn't work right now (the blower and breakers are fine, there is a power problem upstream that I haven't been able to figure out yet).  I was wondering if perhaps I need a 12V charging system to keep my starting battery topped up over the winter when it isn't in use.  If I were to add such a thing, then running the blower becomes a no-brainer.  Has anyone added a 12V charger, and if so, how did you go about it?  Does it charge from 230VAC or from 24VDC?

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

It would not be difficult to do, but I'd be worried about discharging the 12v starting battery since the blowers are 12v, and are high draw items. We typically open the engine room hatch for a few minutes after shutting down to allow some of the heat to escape. It works and is low tech.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:33 AM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Has anyone rigged a thermostat to run a blower when the engine (or genset) are not running, but the engine room is really hot?  Typically our engine room gets quite hot AFTER the main engine has been shut down, the blowers stop, and the heat soaks out of the block.


It gets hot enough it starts to approach the upper specification temperatures for some of the electrical gear.


I have a couple ideas on how to go about it, but maybe someone else has had a better idea...


Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Back Creek, Annapolis, MD




Re: Sail plans for maramu

Dave_Benjamin
 

On the older Amel's, I don't trust "sailplans" because Amel sourced the masts from Isomat and others, and there can be some minor variations. On the Super Maramu, 54's, 55's, and 64's, we have all the relevant information courtesy of Chantiers Amel and it's quite reliable.
So there is only one right away to assure proper fitting sails and that is to measure the rig on your Maramu. 
It's a simple process and we've helped 100's of people get through the process since the majority of our loft clients are not local to us. If you can't manage the measurements on your own, I'd hire a rigger for the short amount of time it takes to measure. 


Re: COCO Amel 53 2000 sail sizes

Dave_Benjamin
 

Actually the stock Amel genoas exceed 155%. 155% is an arbitrary limitation for racing headsails, beyond which handicap penalties apply. On a cruising boat, we don't care about such things. As one of the few sailmakers who has not only sailed extensively on an Amel, but owned one, I've seen some poorly designed sails on other Amel yachts due to sailmakers who don't understand the twin pole arrangement and other aspects of the Amel. 
Reducing the overlap percentage beyond a certain point makes the headsail impractical to use with the poles but some owners like to carry a smaller headsail for upwind passages. Reducing the overlap and insuring the sail will sheet properly isn't difficult but does require some additional measurement. When we measure, we not only record the horizontal distances from the stem to the track fore and aft ends but also capture those measurements from aloft and combine this with some measurements at select points down to the water which gives us sufficient data to very accurately model the rig in our design software. 



Re: Engine exhaust hull fitting and copper water lines

John Clark
 

Thanks Eric and Bill.  

I spent the morning with Dr. Google learning about copper corrosion. Seems that there is a lot of chemistry involved and that the corrosion can be tough to knock out without aggressive cleaning.

 I like the idea of painting the lines, but they first need to be cleaned better than I am able to do in that particular corner of the ER.  I did clean off the loose blue flaky stuff and vacuum the area, but cannot get in there to wet clean and flush the lines.  My concern with a non neutralizing paint is that the corrosion can continue, and I won't see it.   

Corrosion X claims on their website that it can displace the salts that are causing the corrosion on the copper lines then protect them with a waxy film.  What do you think about Corrosion X instead of paint?   To me an "advantage" is that I can visually monitor the situation and if corrosion persists then replace the lines before they leak. 

 I think I will get a micrometer down there today and figure out the line size and see if I can get some "spare" tubing to have on hand just in case.   

                    Regards,  John


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Speaking of temperatures and alarms

Stephen Davis
 

It would not be difficult to do, but I'd be worried about discharging the 12v starting battery since the blowers are 12v, and are high draw items. We typically open the engine room hatch for a few minutes after shutting down to allow some of the heat to escape. It works and is low tech.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:33 AM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Has anyone rigged a thermostat to run a blower when the engine (or genset) are not running, but the engine room is really hot?  Typically our engine room gets quite hot AFTER the main engine has been shut down, the blowers stop, and the heat soaks out of the block.


It gets hot enough it starts to approach the upper specification temperatures for some of the electrical gear.


I have a couple ideas on how to go about it, but maybe someone else has had a better idea...


Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Back Creek, Annapolis, MD



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 [1 Attachment]

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Peter;

If you are referring to the U-shaped stainless steel tubing mounted in the engine room ceiling roughly above the generator, this is the anti-siphon or vacuum break for the generator exhaust.

I'm not sure what you mean by finding a plastic replacement. If I misunderstood your question, please clarify.


Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Oct 5, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Can any wise person tell me what this device is for and how I find a plastic replacement in Europe?

Peter Forbes
Amel 54 #035 
Grenada

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Vetus Alarm

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

DITTO!!!

Borel unit is an excellent safety backup.  

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM007


On 4 Oct 2017, at 21:12, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Bill,

The Borel unit has saved my bacon twice.

You can order it in either the 12 volt or 24 volt version. . If you do ask for a 20 foot length of wire on the unit. I have mine mounted on the port side of the companionway next to the Amel nameplate.

The unit is so simple you do not have to make it more complicated. There is a thermocouple that mounts to the exhaust hose. When the hose is not too hot the thermocouple is open and draws no current. Thus the alarm will not sound.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 10:23 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Vetus Alarm

 

  

 

Bob,

 

There is already a 12V supply that is active only when the main engine is on...  it runs the blowers.

 

I'll second the what Bill R said about the Onan generator already being protected this way.  Doubling up really doesn't buy you anything except more wires and complexity. But a useful addition to the main drive engine.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Back Creek, Annapolis, MD



---In amelyachtowners@..., <rossidesigngroup@...> wrote :

Has anyone installed a Vetus exhaust temp alarm?  http://www.defender.com/pdf/xh_exhaust_alarm.pdf   https://www.vetus.com/en/search/?q=exhaust+alarm  I know owners have used a Borel alarm.... but this seems to be a good idea also and the price is right.  It has a sound and visual alarm and Vetus says 2 sensors could be attached to one unit so an owner could protect both the engine and generator.  There are 12V and 24V versions and I am curious as to whether there is a convenient way to wire a 12V so it is activated only when either the generator or engine is operating.

 

Bob, KAIMI On the hard in Malta

 




Amel 54

Peter Forbes
 

Can any wise person tell me what this device is for and how I find a plastic replacement in Europe?

Peter Forbes
Amel 54 #035 
Grenada



Speaking of temperatures and alarms

greatketch@...
 

Has anyone rigged a thermostat to run a blower when the engine (or genset) are not running, but the engine room is really hot?  Typically our engine room gets quite hot AFTER the main engine has been shut down, the blowers stop, and the heat soaks out of the block.


It gets hot enough it starts to approach the upper specification temperatures for some of the electrical gear.


I have a couple ideas on how to go about it, but maybe someone else has had a better idea...


Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Back Creek, Annapolis, MD


Re: length of screws for cleats

greatketch@...
 

I know that Amel used "Damade" brand cleats on the mast, or at least an exact copy of them.  Maybe they used the same brand on the deck. At least the superficial appearance matches.

Budget Marine carries them...

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Back Creek, Annapolis, MD


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Vetus Alarm

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Bob,

I can answer one of your questions...

I suspect that Amel used 12VDC because that is what the engine uses. They could have used 24VDC, but that would require relays, complications, and one more potential failure with absolutely no gain. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Oct 5, 2017 03:47, "rossidesigngroup@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks everybody! BTW those horror stories REALLY reinforce that this could be a good thing to do.  In addition to melted lift mufflers I am suspecting that it can also help prevent engine damage due to overheating--seems like there are many cases where the engine is damaged before the high fluid temp alarm sounds.


Agree with both Bills on not needing it for the generator.   Bill Kinney--I (finally) just put a V meter to it and indeed the supply to the blowers on our year is 12V.  I recall reading this before and I am assuming that Amel did this to prolong the life of the blowers but I am curious as to why. 

I will probably mount the indicator (round) next to the voltage and temp gauge next to the diesel panel.  

There are 2 versions of the sensor:  I think I will use the sensor that fastens on the neck of the muffler rather than the hose once I confirm the muffler model.  

Does anyone have the model number of the plastic Vetus used on the Yanmars?  This will save me having to remove it before ordering.

I will get the alarm and sensor this winter while we are back in the US--and do the installation when we return to Malta in late March--so if anyone does an installation please report to the group!  And again, thank you.

Bob, KAIMI SM429
 


length of screws for cleats

Leopold Hauer
 

Hi everyone,

I had to buy new bow side cleats. To get  screws for them I should  know the thickness of the deck  on the side area of the bow. Does anybody know?


The new cleats are from SVB, but they are not exactly the same than the old ones. Amel doesn't have them any more ( SM hull 69). Would  there be any other place who sells the original cleats?


Thanks for your advice,


Leo

Yin Yang SM 69

(at present not on the boat)