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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Electric Heads
greatketch@...
Tom,
We have the manual Jabsco heads, and NEVER have the kind of problem you describe. Something is going wrong with the installation of your joker valves, but I can not think what it might be. Somehow "stuff" is leaking back through (or possibly around) them. My first guess is that something is causing them to distort in shape, or to not seal around the edges. If things improve for a short time right after you change the valves, I'll guess something is damaging them. Do you use any cleaning products in the toilet? Some of them can adversely impact the rubber compound of the joker valves. We use the stock Jabsco joker valves, so nothing special there. In two years we have changed one of them, and the other head has yet to need any parts, and they get used every day. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Back Creek, Annapolis, MD ---In amelyachtowners@..., <peacock8491@...> wrote : I cannot address the electric head issue, as we have manual Jabsco’s. Our boat was right on the cusp of switching from manual to electric. That said, after having owned our fair ship for 8 years, I would like to solicit others’ experience. We have two standard manual Jabsco’s. Do other SM owners with manual heads also have Jabsco’s? I ask that, because they have been such a huge problem for us. I know that heads are often at the top of the list for maintaining. However, ours have been particularly gruesome. The positioning of the holding tanks nearly a meter above the bottom of the head means a constant battle to prevent black water (extreme euphemism) from flowing back into the bowl, at times filling it. In the dark, the ladies can be very rudely surprised. We have tried almost everything: changing joker (tricuspid) valves every month, purchasing the newer Jabsco “lock” handle mechanism, and finally putting an extra in-line valve between the head and the holding tank. It is quite a bit better, but gravity still sometimes wins. Are we alone? Appreciate any feedback from this invaluable forum (for non-native English speakers, invaluable doesn’t mean not valuable, but rather extremely valuable). Don’t ask me why, not sure. For example, inhospitable means “not hospitable”, but inflammable means “extremely flammable”. But I digress. Thanks again as always. Tom Peacock SM 240Aletes Rock Hall, Maryland Departing for Antigua November 3
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Electric Heads
Eric Freedman
I had a similar problem when I originally received Kimberlite from Amel. It was delivered with electric toilets.
The solution I found was to hold down the red flush button for 10 seconds. This puts just salt water in the hose and whatever came out of the toilet is now in the tank and just salt water returns to the bowl. You might try pumping the toilet more to get just salt water in the hose. I also originally had to change the toilet to tank hose every few years due to permeation of odor in the hose. Now with a 10 second flush I have not had to change the hose in over 10 years.
I have 2 problems with the electric toilet. When the boats sits for a few days the salt water in the tubing has a sulfur dioxide odor for the first flush—very smelly. Possibly someone else has a better solution, for us I add Clorox to the sea chest with water and operate the toilet until I smell Clorox. I let this sit for 12 hours. The water comes out black on the first flush and then no more smell for a while. I bought the fresh water flush valve and initially intended to use it for a fresh water flush. However I hate to waste fresh water , so I stayed with salt water.
The other problem is the weakness of the base of the toilet. I have had to replace the forward base twice. Probably because we make passages with three other people and it gets more use.
Any suggestions to solve these issues? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:28 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Electric Heads
I cannot address the electric head issue, as we have manual Jabsco’s. Our boat was right on the cusp of switching from manual to electric. That said, after having owned our fair ship for 8 years, I would like to solicit others’ experience. We have two standard manual Jabsco’s. Do other SM owners with manual heads also have Jabsco’s? I ask that, because they have been such a huge problem for us. I know that heads are often at the top of the list for maintaining. However, ours have been particularly gruesome. The positioning of the holding tanks nearly a meter above the bottom of the head means a constant battle to prevent black water (extreme euphemism) from flowing back into the bowl, at times filling it. In the dark, the ladies can be very rudely surprised. We have tried almost everything: changing joker (tricuspid) valves every month, purchasing the newer Jabsco “lock” handle mechanism, and finally putting an extra in-line valve between the head and the holding tank. It is quite a bit better, but gravity still sometimes wins. Are we alone? Appreciate any feedback from this invaluable forum (for non-native English speakers, invaluable doesn’t mean not valuable, but rather extremely valuable). Don’t ask me why, not sure. For example, inhospitable means “not hospitable”, but inflammable means “extremely flammable”. But I digress. Thanks again as always.
Tom Peacock SM 240Aletes Rock Hall, Maryland Departing for Antigua November 3
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Electric Heads
Thomas Peacock
I cannot address the electric head issue, as we have manual Jabsco’s. Our boat was right on the cusp of switching from manual to electric.
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That said, after having owned our fair ship for 8 years, I would like to solicit others’ experience. We have two standard manual Jabsco’s. Do other SM owners with manual heads also have Jabsco’s? I ask that, because they have been such a huge problem for us. I know that heads are often at the top of the list for maintaining. However, ours have been particularly gruesome. The positioning of the holding tanks nearly a meter above the bottom of the head means a constant battle to prevent black water (extreme euphemism) from flowing back into the bowl, at times filling it. In the dark, the ladies can be very rudely surprised. We have tried almost everything: changing joker (tricuspid) valves every month, purchasing the newer Jabsco “lock” handle mechanism, and finally putting an extra in-line valve between the head and the holding tank. It is quite a bit better, but gravity still sometimes wins. Are we alone? Appreciate any feedback from this invaluable forum (for non-native English speakers, invaluable doesn’t mean not valuable, but rather extremely valuable). Don’t ask me why, not sure. For example, inhospitable means “not hospitable”, but inflammable means “extremely flammable”. But I digress. Thanks again as always. Tom Peacock SM 240Aletes Rock Hall, Maryland Departing for Antigua November 3
On Oct 11, 2017, at 7:52 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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What are those pink circles on the keel for ?
Eric Freedman
Guess again !
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 7:55 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bottom paint stripped down to gelcoat--
Pink... looks like Bondo....
Did I win a prize?
Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Back Creek, Annapolis, MD
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Re: Bottom paint stripped down to gelcoat--
greatketch@...
Pink... looks like Bondo....
Did I win a prize? Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Back Creek, Annapolis, MD
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Re: Electric Heads
greatketch@...
Ian and Margaret, Like you, our SM has two factory installed manual heads. We are happy with them and have no plans to change them. My experience with the Jabsco electric heads is very limited, and pretty much all bad--in some cases really bad! My sample size is small, and they really can't be as bad my impressions... but I wouldn't go that way. For 15 years I lived on a boat that had a Sealand Vacuflush. It was fantastic. Reliable. If flushed with a tiny, tiny bit of fresh water (really important with Amel's tiny, tiny holding tanks!) If I wanted to swap out to electric heads that would be the way I would go without a second thought. Installation in an Amel would take a bit of thinking, but they have lots of configuration options. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Back Creek, Annapolis, MD ---In amelyachtowners@..., <smlocalola@...> wrote : Our SM has two manual heads, both Jabsco. We are looking at Installing Jabsco Quiet Flush Electric Heads. They seem to fit the SM head floor pan cut out nicely. Any opinions on number of electric heads? Two electric or one+manual? Other things we should consider? Ian & Margaret SM153 Loca Lola II New River, Fort Lauderdale, Florida
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Re: Electric Heads
seagasm@...
This has been my experience with these bloody toilets...
1 Although the footprints are the same, the base is very week and is suseptable to breaking, particularly if installed in the forward bathroom. 2 The timer for flushing is very short, if using salt water to flush it will not take too long for the outlet to clog 3 The unit uses a Gates belt to drive the macerator and will break frequently. At a cost of about AUD $30 each, the complete toilet needs to be removed, then completely dismanteled to replace the broken belt, then reassembled and reinstalled. I too thought initially the way to go, but soon replaced both units. A very expensive exercise. Best Regards Barry & Robyn Tradewinds III SM# 171
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Electric Heads
Our SM has two manual heads, both Jabsco. We are looking at Installing Jabsco Quiet Flush Electric Heads. They seem to fit the SM head floor pan cut out nicely. Any opinions on number of electric heads? Two electric or one+manual? Other things we should consider? Ian & Margaret SM153 Loca Lola II New River, Fort Lauderdale, Florida
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Bottom paint stripped down to gelcoat--
Eric Freedman
Guess what the pink areas are. I already found out. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 5:09 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners
Hello,
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Gleaming
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi All, I just again completed my oft repeated many hours labour of love applying furniture polish to every square inch (centimeter) of varnish in Ocean Pearl. My reward, a gleaming shining example of perfect Amel varnish. Looks so good. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust Hose - how much to replace?
Eric Freedman
Duane, I have only replaced the section from the muffler to the engine do to fire. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 4:13 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust Hose - how much to replace?
Eric,
Actually, I am using that exhaust elbow. Have you replaced the entire exhaust hose out to the thru-hull?
Thanks, Duane
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust Hose - how much to replace?
Duane Siegfri
Eric,
Actually, I am using that exhaust elbow. Have you replaced the entire exhaust hose out to the thru-hull? Thanks, Duane
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Re: Bilge maintenance
jhe1313@...
Hi everyone. I have put into the bilge one waterglass of vinegar per week recently. It has definitely reduced the smell in the engine room and there is no appreciable smell anymore in the cabins. So this seems the way to go although I suspect I have to increase the dosage if the outside temperatures are in the 30s vs the low 20s now. Many thanks again everyone for the great help! Joerg
Joerg Esdorn Kincsem Amel 55 no. 53 Currently in Zakinthos, Greece
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust Hose - how much to replace?
Eric Freedman
Duane, There is a beautifully made stainless steel exhaust elbow on eBay. It is cast and has the flame from the engine directed in a better direction. I went through 2 before putting in the stainless one. I found pitting at the weld of the factory exhaust flange. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 12:27 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust Hose - how much to replace?
I'm replacing the exhaust elbow and hose to the waterlift muffler.
The exhaust hose had a soft spot in it that was a few inches below the exhaust elbow and was due to a corroded wire reinforcement. The rest of the hose looked fine. The exhaust elbow was fine as far as I know, but it's a scheduled replacement item. I'm going to have it cleaned up at a radiator shop and inspected to see if it's worth keeping for a spare.
I'm wondering if I should go ahead and replace the rest of the hose downstream of the waterlift muffler. The boat is a 2005 so it's 12 years old, but it looks fine and I don't see or feel any soft spots. It's not surprising that the one bad spot on the exhaust hose was a few inches away from the exhaust elbow, so much heat, and salt water. Not so much heat downstream from the waterlift muffler.
Any thoughts/experiences on that issue?
By the way, I had the injectors (4JH3-HTE) tested with 2,750 hours on the engine and two were leaking and all four were opening too early. I also sent the turbine in and it was fine, no issues, but of course they will replace the maintenance parts and balance it. While I was at it I dismounted the intercooler, engine heat exhcanger and the oil cooler for cleaning and inspection. Surprisingly, the oil cooler had the most gunk in the end caps, but all of the tube bundles were pretty clear.
Thanks, Duane Wanderer, SM#477
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Re: Keel bolts
I am sailing a SM #374 I had to remove the keel bolt at the bottom of the bilge to install a new ground/bonding cable, the original one being broken. I got pictures/process from Alban - Amel Martinique - and I have to build a tool to get there, but all in all it was not difficult and the bolt was pristine. I can post Amel pictures if they are not already posted.
Dominique Guenot s/v Viva Currenly in Fiji
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Exhaust Hose - how much to replace?
Duane Siegfri
I'm replacing the exhaust elbow and hose to the waterlift muffler. The exhaust hose had a soft spot in it that was a few inches below the exhaust elbow and was due to a corroded wire reinforcement. The rest of the hose looked fine. The exhaust elbow was fine as far as I know, but it's a scheduled replacement item. I'm going to have it cleaned up at a radiator shop and inspected to see if it's worth keeping for a spare. I'm wondering if I should go ahead and replace the rest of the hose downstream of the waterlift muffler. The boat is a 2005 so it's 12 years old, but it looks fine and I don't see or feel any soft spots. It's not surprising that the one bad spot on the exhaust hose was a few inches away from the exhaust elbow, so much heat, and salt water. Not so much heat downstream from the waterlift muffler. Any thoughts/experiences on that issue? By the way, I had the injectors (4JH3-HTE) tested with 2,750 hours on the engine and two were leaking and all four were opening too early. I also sent the turbine in and it was fine, no issues, but of course they will replace the maintenance parts and balance it. While I was at it I dismounted the intercooler, engine heat exhcanger and the oil cooler for cleaning and inspection. Surprisingly, the oil cooler had the most gunk in the end caps, but all of the tube bundles were pretty clear. Thanks, Duane Wanderer, SM#477
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Keel bolts
smiles bernard
Many thanks Andy for taking the time to write and providing such great detail. Many thanks also to Bill Fletcher similarly Excellent to hear both your views about the heavy redundancy in the keel to hull join. I'll have a peer in the fwd water tank section if only to get a sense of the keel bolts location etc but I'm taking this item if the 'need to investigate' list! I'll also use the chance to loo at the water tanks. I'm wondering if they need a good clean as the water tastes a little odd. I wonder if Amel considered encapsulating the keel. Perhaps they do on more recent boats but no doubt there are pros and cons Many thanks again for your help and fair winds Miles
On 10 Oct 2017, at 03:12, Andy Croney allezaubon@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Vetus Alarm
I like it. Thanks Craig. Kent S/V Kristy
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Vetus Alarm
Thanks Bill. Kent S/V Kristy
On Oct 9, 2017, at 5:25 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Kent, I would attach the probes with appropriate size hose clamps. Best,
CW Bill Rouse On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: Keel bolts
Andy Croney
Hi , we own a 1980 Maramu and had similar concerns before taking her offshore- before we went I asked many boat builders and all the experts re-assured us that the build quality , redundancy in the number of bolts and the stub keel design make it a non-issue for the Maramu. They further placated us in that there has never been any known catastrophic failure ( to date ) of an Amel's keel bolts, to their knowledge.
We made the 14 day non stop passage however the condition of the keel bolts was always in the back of my mind. When we lifted the engine for reconditioning, we had good access to the deep bilge and could view the one bolt head .. like new . Then later when we cleaned the water tank we had access to the other bolts , they also looked in pristine condition. In the saloon in front of the saloon table there is an easily accessible access opening for the tank , where you have the opportunity to easily view the bolts in that section . Lastly, I was advised not to Pull a bolt for testing , as I would do more damage then good and as there did not appear to be any issues with any of them to leave well alone . We are happy and sleep easy. Trust the above is helpful. Andy SV Paladin Maramu #75
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