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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker bottoms...

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, I had the same problem a few years ago. I cut the floors out leaving about an inch of tabbing all the way around. Then cut another piece of plywood to fit , resting on the tabbing. I epoxied the bottom of the plywood first , then installed it and glassed it into place . I glassed the entire surface , rather than simply painting it. It was nice meeting you in Annapolis.
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Oct 11, 2017 11:59 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker bottoms...

 
The plywood soles of Harmonie's bow lockers are seriously rotten.  I was kind of surprised to see that the bottoms of these plywood sheets (i.e., the top of the chain locker) were "naked", without fiberglass sheathing.  I suspect exposure to the constant damp of the chain locker for 20 years was the start of the problem.

Replacement seems to be a fairly straight forward, fiberglass project, but if anyone else has had this problem and has any hints or "gothcha's" to watch for, I'd love to hear them!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Back Creek, Annapolis, MD




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker bottoms...

Craig Briggs
 

I've clipped James' reply just to highlight the venting aspect. I had a louver made (matching the interior wood) for the forward bulkhead chain locker access panel. I keep in place instead of the solid panel unless making an offshore passage,  when I simply put switch it back to the solid panel.. 
Would suggest, when repairing the bow locker floor panels, that you include a lift out access panel in the middle so you can easily rinse out the chain locker periodically.
Craig Briggs, SN68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <lokiyawl2@...> wrote :

Bill,

   I inspected a 1984 Maramu which also had rotten panels in the bow locker.  .....     On my boat, I pull out the anchor rode,  rinse and dry on deck whenever possible.  I also wash out the anchor locker and usually keep the access door to the anchor locker partially or fully open to vent.  Anything that you can do to keep the humidity level down is helpful............ Best of luck with the repairs.

James Alton SV Sueno
Maramu #220



Sent from Samsung tablet.

-------- Original message --------
From: "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 10/12/17 05:58 (GMT+01:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker bottoms...

 

The plywood soles of Harmonie's bow lockers are seriously rotten.  I was kind of surprised to see that the bottoms of these plywood sheets (i.e., the top of the chain locker) were "naked", without fiberglass sheathing.  I suspect exposure to the constant damp of the chain locker for 20 years was the start of the problem.


Replacement seems to be a fairly straight forward, fiberglass project, but if anyone else has had this problem and has any hints or "gothcha's" to watch for, I'd love to hear them!


Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Back Creek, Annapolis, MD





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electric Heads

Stefano Biffi
 

My hull is 1998, came to me with 2 manual heads. Changed the forward one with Jabsco electric toilet conversion 29200-0240 in 2012. Worked well, changed all the seals, standard jabsco kit, in June 2017. Only complaint is noisy by night. I never used sea water and no smelling at all 

Stefano
N'EVEREST Super Maramu 185
now  in Sarzana  Italy 

Il giorno 12 ott 2017, alle ore 09:34, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 

Hi Ian and Margaret,


We have our original electric heads in service after 17 years.  Very little maintenance, certainly less than the manual ones we have used in the past. What is important is to flush for at least a count of ten each time--not for the benefit of the machine itself but to make sure that you always have clean water in the pipe leading up from the toilet.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Corfu


From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of smlocalola@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 11 October 2017 22:20:32
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electric Heads
 

Our SM has two manual heads, both Jabsco. We are looking at Installing Jabsco Quiet Flush Electric Heads. They seem to fit the SM head floor pan cut out nicely. Any opinions on number of electric heads? Two electric or one+manual? Other things we should consider?


Ian & Margaret

SM153

Loca Lola II 

New River, Fort Lauderdale, Florida


Re: Electric Heads

carcodespam@icloud.com <no_reply@...>
 

The best I have ever had was the Lavac Vacuum Toilet. I have had this on my old boat and never serviced it for 30 years. Right now with my Amel Sharki I just change the old Jabsco for the Lavac. It is available with a hand pump as well with a supplementary electric pump in line. So you have both opportunities if once the electricity is down.
See https://www.svb24.com/en/lavac-manual-vacuum-toilet.html

Okay it is more expensive than any other but worth any cent.

Gerhard


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker bottoms...

James Alton
 

Bill,

   I inspected a 1984 Maramu which also had rotten panels in the bow locker.  The bottom of the panel forming the floor of the two side lockers was not glassed on the bottom of that boat.  The bottom of the same panel on my boat is glassed over and seems fine.  If you go back with plywood,  I would strongly suggest using a panel with a Loyds stamp to insure that the adhesive used passes the boiling water test to insure that you will not have delamination of the plies.  I would also select a wood species in the durable category to reduce the chance of rot.  The Sapele has held up pretty well for me.  Using epoxy resin will do a much better job of sealing the wood against moisture than polyester.  I have had good luck with the West System Epoxy which was developed for cold moulded boat construction and has been proven effective over decades of use.  Just be sure to remove the amine blush between coats or layers.  I am sure that there are other good epoxies out there, I just have not used many others.  If you start with epoxy, also use it to bond in the panels since polyester does not bond well to epoxy. You might also want to consider using a panel cored with a non cellulose based material or if you can stand the weight go with a solid glass panel.     On my boat, I pull out the anchor rode,  rinse and dry on deck whenever possible.  I also wash out the anchor locker and usually keep the access door to the anchor locker partially or fully open to vent.  Anything that you can do to keep the humidity level down is helpful. Wood is a good choice for the core as it is stiff for it's weight.  Wood will last essentially forever it you can just keep it dry.  Wood is used to form the internal structure of our boats so the same concerns about moisture apply.  The bilge area under the forward head is another area that I am very careful to keep perfectly dry since it is a very structurally important part of the hull.  Best of luck with the repairs.

James Alton SV Sueno
Maramu #220



Sent from Samsung tablet.

-------- Original message --------
From: "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 10/12/17 05:58 (GMT+01:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker bottoms...

 

The plywood soles of Harmonie's bow lockers are seriously rotten.  I was kind of surprised to see that the bottoms of these plywood sheets (i.e., the top of the chain locker) were "naked", without fiberglass sheathing.  I suspect exposure to the constant damp of the chain locker for 20 years was the start of the problem.


Replacement seems to be a fairly straight forward, fiberglass project, but if anyone else has had this problem and has any hints or "gothcha's" to watch for, I'd love to hear them!


Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Back Creek, Annapolis, MD





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electric Heads

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Ian and Margaret,


We have our original electric heads in service after 17 years.  Very little maintenance, certainly less than the manual ones we have used in the past. What is important is to flush for at least a count of ten each time--not for the benefit of the machine itself but to make sure that you always have clean water in the pipe leading up from the toilet.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Corfu


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of smlocalola@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 11 October 2017 22:20:32
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electric Heads
 

Our SM has two manual heads, both Jabsco. We are looking at Installing Jabsco Quiet Flush Electric Heads. They seem to fit the SM head floor pan cut out nicely. Any opinions on number of electric heads? Two electric or one+manual? Other things we should consider?


Ian & Margaret

SM153

Loca Lola II 

New River, Fort Lauderdale, Florida


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Electric Heads

greatketch@...
 

Eric,

That's my best idea, other than flushing a lot!  Biology can be a problem, sometimes.

Bill


Bow locker bottoms...

greatketch@...
 

The plywood soles of Harmonie's bow lockers are seriously rotten.  I was kind of surprised to see that the bottoms of these plywood sheets (i.e., the top of the chain locker) were "naked", without fiberglass sheathing.  I suspect exposure to the constant damp of the chain locker for 20 years was the start of the problem.


Replacement seems to be a fairly straight forward, fiberglass project, but if anyone else has had this problem and has any hints or "gothcha's" to watch for, I'd love to hear them!


Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Back Creek, Annapolis, MD





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Electric Heads

eric freedman
 

I have noticed in the chandleries that many of the joker valves are not round due to incorrect packing or shipping.

Look carefully at them when you buy them. They must be perfectly round.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:59 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Electric Heads

 

 

Tom,

 

We have the manual Jabsco heads, and NEVER have the kind of problem you describe.  Something is going wrong with the installation of your joker valves, but I can not think what it might be.  Somehow "stuff" is leaking back through (or possibly around) them.  My first guess is that something is causing them to distort in shape, or to not seal around the edges.

 

If things improve for a short time right after you change the valves, I'll guess something is damaging them.  Do you use any cleaning products in the toilet?  Some of them can adversely impact the rubber compound of the joker valves.

 

We use the stock Jabsco joker valves, so nothing special there.  In two years we have changed one of them, and the other head has yet to need any parts, and they get used every day.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Back Creek, Annapolis, MD

---In amelyachtowners@..., <peacock8491@...> wrote :

I cannot address the electric head issue, as we have manual Jabsco’s. Our boat was right on the cusp of switching from manual to electric. 

That said, after having owned our fair ship for 8 years, I would like to solicit others’ experience. 

We have two standard manual Jabsco’s. Do other SM owners with manual heads also have Jabsco’s?

I ask that, because they have been such a huge problem for us. I know that heads are often at the top of the list for maintaining. 

However, ours have been particularly gruesome. The positioning of the holding tanks nearly a meter above the bottom of the head means a constant battle to prevent black water (extreme euphemism) from flowing back into the bowl, at times filling it. In the dark, the ladies can be very rudely surprised. 

We have tried almost everything: changing joker (tricuspid) valves every month, purchasing the newer Jabsco “lock” handle mechanism, and finally putting an extra in-line valve between the head and the holding tank. 

It is quite a bit better, but gravity still sometimes wins. 

Are we alone? 

Appreciate any feedback from this invaluable forum (for non-native English speakers, invaluable doesn’t mean not valuable, but rather extremely valuable). Don’t ask me why, not sure. For example, inhospitable means “not hospitable”, but inflammable means “extremely flammable”. 

But I digress. Thanks again as always. 

 

Tom Peacock

SM 240Aletes

Rock Hall, Maryland

Departing for Antigua November 3


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: What are those pink circles on the keel for ?

eric freedman
 

BINGO !!

Amel runs big hoses of fresh air into the hull until the deck and hull are joined.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:54 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: What are those pink circles on the keel for ?

 

 

 

When we stripped Garulfo's bottom paint back to the gelcoat this summer, we too noticed those oddities. And then I remembered reading somewhere (most probably in this forum) they were openings used for force-ventilating the inside of the hull during construction work. 

 

 

Thomas 

Garulfo 

Amel 54 #122

Cruising Gibraltar

 

 

 

On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 at 04:05, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

OK, now I am really reaching (I hope!)...

 

Did somebody cut a hole into the side of the keel stub to reach keel bolts????

 

You should have that piece of keel just in front of the c-drive framed.  I think it is an original Pollack....

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Back Creek, Annapolis, MD

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Electric Heads

eric freedman
 

Bill,

I always do that of I leave the boat for a while, However  if I leave the boat in warm climates for a few days I get the growth back. I have been doing this for 15 years now so let’s see what happens.

 

Thanks

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Electric Heads

 

 

Eric,

 

I am not a fan of bleach used as you describe.  In the long run it is very hard on the copper plumbing in the seachest manifold and holding tanks.

 

The sulfur smell comes from living things dying and decaying in the stagnant, anaerobic seawater.  

 

If you are going to leave the boat, you can close the main seachest seacock (you do anyway, right?), open the top of the seachest, put a hose in there and flush the toilets until the lines are full of fresh water.  

 

No more smell on first use.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160,  Harmonie

Back Creek, Annapolis, MD


---In amelyachtowners@..., <kimberlite@...> wrote :

I had a similar problem when I originally received Kimberlite from Amel. It was delivered with electric toilets.

 

The solution I found was to hold down the red flush button for 10 seconds.

This puts just salt water in the hose and whatever came out of the toilet is now in the tank and

just salt water returns to the bowl. You might try pumping the toilet more to get just salt water in the hose.

I also originally had to change the toilet to tank hose every few years due to permeation of odor in the hose. Now with a 10 second flush I have not had to change the hose in over 10 years.

 

I have 2 problems with the electric toilet.

When the boats sits for a few days the salt water in the tubing has a sulfur dioxide odor for the first flush—very smelly. Possibly someone else has a better solution, for us I add Clorox to the sea chest with water and operate the toilet until I smell Clorox. I let this sit for 12 hours.  The water comes out black on the first flush and then no more smell for a while. I bought the fresh water flush valve and initially intended to use it for a fresh water flush. However I hate to waste fresh water , so I stayed with salt water.

 

The other problem is the weakness of the base of the toilet. I have had to replace the forward base twice. Probably because we make passages with three other people and it gets more use.

 

Any suggestions to solve these issues?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

  


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: What are those pink circles on the keel for ?

greatketch@...
 

Ah! That sounds familiar.... but I had forgotten about it...



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: What are those pink circles on the keel for ?

eric freedman
 

Guess again

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:04 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: What are those pink circles on the keel for ?

 

 

OK, now I am really reaching (I hope!)...

 

Did somebody cut a hole into the side of the keel stub to reach keel bolts????

 

You should have that piece of keel just in front of the c-drive framed.  I think it is an original Pollack....

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Back Creek, Annapolis, MD

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: What are those pink circles on the keel for ?

Sv Garulfo
 


When we stripped Garulfo's bottom paint back to the gelcoat this summer, we too noticed those oddities. And then I remembered reading somewhere (most probably in this forum) they were openings used for force-ventilating the inside of the hull during construction work. 


Thomas 
Garulfo 
Amel 54 #122
Cruising Gibraltar



On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 at 04:05, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

OK, now I am really reaching (I hope!)...


Did somebody cut a hole into the side of the keel stub to reach keel bolts????

You should have that piece of keel just in front of the c-drive framed.  I think it is an original Pollack....


Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Back Creek, Annapolis, MD


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Electric Heads

greatketch@...
 

Eric,

I am not a fan of bleach used as you describe.  In the long run it is very hard on the copper plumbing in the seachest manifold and holding tanks.

The sulfur smell comes from living things dying and decaying in the stagnant, anaerobic seawater.  

If you are going to leave the boat, you can close the main seachest seacock (you do anyway, right?), open the top of the seachest, put a hose in there and flush the toilets until the lines are full of fresh water.  

No more smell on first use.

Bill Kinney
SM160,  Harmonie
Back Creek, Annapolis, MD

---In amelyachtowners@..., <kimberlite@...> wrote :

I had a similar problem when I originally received Kimberlite from Amel. It was delivered with electric toilets.

 

The solution I found was to hold down the red flush button for 10 seconds.

This puts just salt water in the hose and whatever came out of the toilet is now in the tank and

just salt water returns to the bowl. You might try pumping the toilet more to get just salt water in the hose.

I also originally had to change the toilet to tank hose every few years due to permeation of odor in the hose. Now with a 10 second flush I have not had to change the hose in over 10 years.

 

I have 2 problems with the electric toilet.

When the boats sits for a few days the salt water in the tubing has a sulfur dioxide odor for the first flush—very smelly. Possibly someone else has a better solution, for us I add Clorox to the sea chest with water and operate the toilet until I smell Clorox. I let this sit for 12 hours.  The water comes out black on the first flush and then no more smell for a while. I bought the fresh water flush valve and initially intended to use it for a fresh water flush. However I hate to waste fresh water , so I stayed with salt water.

 

The other problem is the weakness of the base of the toilet. I have had to replace the forward base twice. Probably because we make passages with three other people and it gets more use.

 

Any suggestions to solve these issues?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

  


Re: What are those pink circles on the keel for ?

greatketch@...
 

OK, now I am really reaching (I hope!)...

Did somebody cut a hole into the side of the keel stub to reach keel bolts????

You should have that piece of keel just in front of the c-drive framed.  I think it is an original Pollack....

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Back Creek, Annapolis, MD


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Electric Heads

greatketch@...
 

Tom,

We have the manual Jabsco heads, and NEVER have the kind of problem you describe.  Something is going wrong with the installation of your joker valves, but I can not think what it might be.  Somehow "stuff" is leaking back through (or possibly around) them.  My first guess is that something is causing them to distort in shape, or to not seal around the edges.

If things improve for a short time right after you change the valves, I'll guess something is damaging them.  Do you use any cleaning products in the toilet?  Some of them can adversely impact the rubber compound of the joker valves.

We use the stock Jabsco joker valves, so nothing special there.  In two years we have changed one of them, and the other head has yet to need any parts, and they get used every day.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Back Creek, Annapolis, MD

---In amelyachtowners@..., <peacock8491@...> wrote :

I cannot address the electric head issue, as we have manual Jabsco’s. Our boat was right on the cusp of switching from manual to electric. 
That said, after having owned our fair ship for 8 years, I would like to solicit others’ experience. 
We have two standard manual Jabsco’s. Do other SM owners with manual heads also have Jabsco’s?
I ask that, because they have been such a huge problem for us. I know that heads are often at the top of the list for maintaining. 
However, ours have been particularly gruesome. The positioning of the holding tanks nearly a meter above the bottom of the head means a constant battle to prevent black water (extreme euphemism) from flowing back into the bowl, at times filling it. In the dark, the ladies can be very rudely surprised. 
We have tried almost everything: changing joker (tricuspid) valves every month, purchasing the newer Jabsco “lock” handle mechanism, and finally putting an extra in-line valve between the head and the holding tank. 
It is quite a bit better, but gravity still sometimes wins. 
Are we alone? 
Appreciate any feedback from this invaluable forum (for non-native English speakers, invaluable doesn’t mean not valuable, but rather extremely valuable). Don’t ask me why, not sure. For example, inhospitable means “not hospitable”, but inflammable means “extremely flammable”. 
But I digress. Thanks again as always. 

Tom Peacock
SM 240Aletes
Rock Hall, Maryland
Departing for Antigua November 3


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Electric Heads

eric freedman
 

I had a similar problem when I originally received Kimberlite from Amel. It was delivered with electric toilets.

 

The solution I found was to hold down the red flush button for 10 seconds.

This puts just salt water in the hose and whatever came out of the toilet is now in the tank and

just salt water returns to the bowl. You might try pumping the toilet more to get just salt water in the hose.

I also originally had to change the toilet to tank hose every few years due to permeation of odor in the hose. Now with a 10 second flush I have not had to change the hose in over 10 years.

 

I have 2 problems with the electric toilet.

When the boats sits for a few days the salt water in the tubing has a sulfur dioxide odor for the first flush—very smelly. Possibly someone else has a better solution, for us I add Clorox to the sea chest with water and operate the toilet until I smell Clorox. I let this sit for 12 hours.  The water comes out black on the first flush and then no more smell for a while. I bought the fresh water flush valve and initially intended to use it for a fresh water flush. However I hate to waste fresh water , so I stayed with salt water.

 

The other problem is the weakness of the base of the toilet. I have had to replace the forward base twice. Probably because we make passages with three other people and it gets more use.

 

Any suggestions to solve these issues?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:28 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Electric Heads

 

 

I cannot address the electric head issue, as we have manual Jabsco’s. Our boat was right on the cusp of switching from manual to electric. 

That said, after having owned our fair ship for 8 years, I would like to solicit others’ experience. 

We have two standard manual Jabsco’s. Do other SM owners with manual heads also have Jabsco’s?

I ask that, because they have been such a huge problem for us. I know that heads are often at the top of the list for maintaining. 

However, ours have been particularly gruesome. The positioning of the holding tanks nearly a meter above the bottom of the head means a constant battle to prevent black water (extreme euphemism) from flowing back into the bowl, at times filling it. In the dark, the ladies can be very rudely surprised. 

We have tried almost everything: changing joker (tricuspid) valves every month, purchasing the newer Jabsco “lock” handle mechanism, and finally putting an extra in-line valve between the head and the holding tank. 

It is quite a bit better, but gravity still sometimes wins. 

Are we alone? 

Appreciate any feedback from this invaluable forum (for non-native English speakers, invaluable doesn’t mean not valuable, but rather extremely valuable). Don’t ask me why, not sure. For example, inhospitable means “not hospitable”, but inflammable means “extremely flammable”. 

But I digress. Thanks again as always. 

 

Tom Peacock

SM 240Aletes

Rock Hall, Maryland

Departing for Antigua November 3

 


On Oct 11, 2017, at 7:52 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Ian and Margaret,

 

Like you, our SM has two factory installed manual heads.  We are happy with them and have no plans to change them.

 

My experience with the Jabsco electric heads is very limited, and pretty much all bad--in some cases really bad! My sample size is small, and they really can't be as bad my impressions...  but I wouldn't go that way.

 

For 15 years I lived on a boat that had a Sealand Vacuflush.  It was fantastic.  Reliable.  If flushed with a tiny, tiny bit of fresh water (really important with Amel's tiny, tiny holding tanks!) 

 

If I wanted to swap out to electric heads that would be the way I would go without a second thought.  Installation in an Amel would take a bit of thinking, but they have lots of configuration options.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Back Creek, Annapolis, MD

---In amelyachtowners@..., <smlocalola@...> wrote :

Our SM has two manual heads, both Jabsco. We are looking at Installing Jabsco Quiet Flush Electric Heads. They seem to fit the SM head floor pan cut out nicely. Any opinions on number of electric heads? Two electric or one+manual? Other things we should consider?



Ian & Margaret

SM153

Loca Lola II 

New River, Fort Lauderdale, Florida


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Electric Heads

Thomas Peacock
 

I cannot address the electric head issue, as we have manual Jabsco’s. Our boat was right on the cusp of switching from manual to electric. 
That said, after having owned our fair ship for 8 years, I would like to solicit others’ experience. 
We have two standard manual Jabsco’s. Do other SM owners with manual heads also have Jabsco’s?
I ask that, because they have been such a huge problem for us. I know that heads are often at the top of the list for maintaining. 
However, ours have been particularly gruesome. The positioning of the holding tanks nearly a meter above the bottom of the head means a constant battle to prevent black water (extreme euphemism) from flowing back into the bowl, at times filling it. In the dark, the ladies can be very rudely surprised. 
We have tried almost everything: changing joker (tricuspid) valves every month, purchasing the newer Jabsco “lock” handle mechanism, and finally putting an extra in-line valve between the head and the holding tank. 
It is quite a bit better, but gravity still sometimes wins. 
Are we alone? 
Appreciate any feedback from this invaluable forum (for non-native English speakers, invaluable doesn’t mean not valuable, but rather extremely valuable). Don’t ask me why, not sure. For example, inhospitable means “not hospitable”, but inflammable means “extremely flammable”. 
But I digress. Thanks again as always. 

Tom Peacock
SM 240Aletes
Rock Hall, Maryland
Departing for Antigua November 3


On Oct 11, 2017, at 7:52 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Ian and Margaret,

Like you, our SM has two factory installed manual heads.  We are happy with them and have no plans to change them.

My experience with the Jabsco electric heads is very limited, and pretty much all bad--in some cases really bad! My sample size is small, and they really can't be as bad my impressions...  but I wouldn't go that way.

For 15 years I lived on a boat that had a Sealand Vacuflush.  It was fantastic.  Reliable.  If flushed with a tiny, tiny bit of fresh water (really important with Amel's tiny, tiny holding tanks!) 

If I wanted to swap out to electric heads that would be the way I would go without a second thought.  Installation in an Amel would take a bit of thinking, but they have lots of configuration options.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Back Creek, Annapolis, MD

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Our SM has two manual heads, both Jabsco. We are looking at Installing Jabsco Quiet Flush Electric Heads. They seem to fit the SM head floor pan cut out nicely. Any opinions on number of electric heads? Two electric or one+manual? Other things we should consider?


Ian & Margaret

SM153

Loca Lola II 

New River, Fort Lauderdale, Florida


What are those pink circles on the keel for ?

eric freedman
 

Guess again !

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 7:55 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bottom paint stripped down to gelcoat--

 

 

Pink...  looks like Bondo....

 

Did I win a prize?

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Back Creek, Annapolis, MD