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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Whisker Pole

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Kent,

sounds like there is a bit of the tube overhanging the fitting. Why not do a careful hacksaw job on it, unless you feel you want to get back to full length.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 22 October 2017 at 14:33 "sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Yes, do be careful as that fitting can break - I had a clever Greek welder fix a cracked one for me by puddling a lot of new metal and it was a good fix. (Although I had a spare). My first thought for your situation was to get a new jockey pole tube and destructively cut off / peel the old one away from the fitting. Whatever you do, be a bit gentle with the fitting itself.

Rotsa ruck,
Craig, SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <karkauai@...> wrote :

Oops, you're right, Craig.  That didn't make any sense at all.  It's the inboard end of the long (whisker) pole that was damaged.  When the machinist put it back together, he mounted the inner cone-shaped aluminum piece too far into the aluminum tube.  Now it doesn't stick out far enough to allow the jockey pole Spring-loaded clip to catch.

It's stuck fast, if I can get it out, I can reassemble it properly.

But I haven't been able to get it out, just looking for some tricks that might work without damaging the pole center fitting piece, or composite material collar.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243
Jacksonville, FL
 

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Distributed vs. Conventional Electrical Systems

Craig Briggs
 


Notwithstanding my comment of not to bother with them, you are EXACTLY right, Bill, and your engine starting battery fuses are EXACTLY what would have saved SM Miss Lindy from burning her wiring three times. You've made me a believer !!!
Cheers, Craig SN68

---In amelyachtowners@..., <greatketch@...> wrote :

Harmonie has had the battery terminal fuses for years. They work fine. 

In addition to the fuses on the house battery side, we also have a 300 amp fuse on the engine starting battery terminal. Also does the job. 

Keeping the boat safe in case of a short circuit in the wiring chase is EXACTLY why those fuses were installed.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Harris Creek, Maryland Eastern Shore


---In amelyachtowners@..., <sangaris@...> wrote :

Frankly, Kent, a separate chase seems a bit of overkill. Probably just disconnecting the engine starting cables every few years (maybe when you replace the battery) and pulling them out of the chase for inspection then reinstalling would be more than sufficient. And I don't think I'd bother with putting fuses on the engine cables at the battery.  Maybe on the house bank like Bill R did. Seemed he fused each battery pair, though, and I'd think just fusing the main cables to the 24v panel would do, like, I think, Alan did.
Craig, SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <karkauai@...> wrote :

Hmmm, thanks Craig.  Seems to me separate chases for Pos and Neg cables would be a good idea.  I guess I'd better add the fuses as others are doing.
Kent


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Whisker Pole

Craig Briggs
 

Yes, do be careful as that fitting can break - I had a clever Greek welder fix a cracked one for me by puddling a lot of new metal and it was a good fix. (Although I had a spare). My first thought for your situation was to get a new jockey pole tube and destructively cut off / peel the old one away from the fitting. Whatever you do, be a bit gentle with the fitting itself.
Rotsa ruck,
Craig, SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <karkauai@...> wrote :

Oops, you're right, Craig.  That didn't make any sense at all.  It's the inboard end of the long (whisker) pole that was damaged.  When the machinist put it back together, he mounted the inner cone-shaped aluminum piece too far into the aluminum tube.  Now it doesn't stick out far enough to allow the jockey pole Spring-loaded clip to catch.

It's stuck fast, if I can get it out, I can reassemble it properly.

But I haven't been able to get it out, just looking for some tricks that might work without damaging the pole center fitting piece, or composite material collar.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243
Jacksonville, FL


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Distributed vs. Conventional Electrical Systems

greatketch@...
 

Harmonie has had the battery terminal fuses for years. They work fine. 

In addition to the fuses on the house battery side, we also have a 300 amp fuse on the engine starting battery terminal. Also does the job. 

Keeping the boat safe in case of a short circuit in the wiring chase is EXACTLY why those fuses were installed.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Harris Creek, Maryland Eastern Shore


---In amelyachtowners@..., <sangaris@...> wrote :

Frankly, Kent, a separate chase seems a bit of overkill. Probably just disconnecting the engine starting cables every few years (maybe when you replace the battery) and pulling them out of the chase for inspection then reinstalling would be more than sufficient. And I don't think I'd bother with putting fuses on the engine cables at the battery.  Maybe on the house bank like Bill R did. Seemed he fused each battery pair, though, and I'd think just fusing the main cables to the 24v panel would do, like, I think, Alan did.
Craig, SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <karkauai@...> wrote :

Hmmm, thanks Craig.  Seems to me separate chases for Pos and Neg cables would be a good idea.  I guess I'd better add the fuses as others are doing.
Kent



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Whisker Pole

karkauai
 

Oops, you're right, Craig.  That didn't make any sense at all.  It's the inboard end of the long (whisker) pole that was damaged.  When the machinist put it back together, he mounted the inner cone-shaped aluminum piece too far into the aluminum tube.  Now it doesn't stick out far enough to allow the jockey pole Spring-loaded clip to catch.

It's stuck fast, if I can get it out, I can reassemble it properly.

But I haven't been able to get it out, just looking for some tricks that might work without damaging the pole center fitting piece, or composite material collar.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243
Jacksonville, FL


Re: staysail mizzen setup

sbmesasailor
 

Hi Miles,

Frankly, we used a lighter weight sail I call a drifter on the mizzen rig rather than the standard cruising sail that is technically the mizzen stay.  The reason we didn't like to use the standard mizzen was that it was a real pain to fold being rather large and stiff.  The lighter sail we used could stuff into a bag.  As a result, we never used the drifter in wind over 15 kts apparent but then with wind over 15 kts, I was quite happy to cruise along at 6-7 kts with just the jib,main, and mizzen.

What hasn't been mentioned in response to this inquiry in the forum is the fact that the mizzen stay tack must be anchored about three feet above the deck to clear the main sheet (and the dodger of course).  When you have your mizzen stay sail made, the sailmaker can integrate this in the sail's internal stay or you can add it later with an extension -just make sure the sailmaker has the right dimension to begin with.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu 121


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] staysail mizzen setup

Graham Cresswell <grahamjcresswell@...>
 

Hi Miles,

Good to see another normal (i.e. not Super-) Maramu. 

I've yet to fly my foc d'artimon as I'm suffering the same confusions as you are.  I had my first try last week and it was a disaster because I didn't notice that my wind generator, which is mounted just below the radar on the mizzen mast, conflicts with the mizzen staysail halyard.  Just as I was about to attach it to the head of the sail, the wind generator wound it up and I spend nearly an hour up the mast unravelling it - fortunately smooth seas! 

However, another problem was revealed.  The mainmast backstay, which is secured at the foot of the mizzen mast, in combination with the wind generator and radar, means that I can't see any way of safely moving the halyard from one side of the boat to the other.  So at the moment, when I pluck up courage, I'll only be able to fly the mizzen staysail on the port tack! 

I'm obviously being stupid as I can't believe this is how it's meant to work. 

If anyone else has faced this problem and found a solution, please share it! 

Graham Cresswell
Jamesby
M240
currently on the hard in Rodney Bay, St Lucia. 


On 20/10/2017 10:11, 'smilesbernard@...' smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 
Hello there
I'm considering my sail wardrobe  for a N Atlantic circuit next year
I've seen and heard on this forum that people rate the mizzen staysail highly 
I;ve never owned a ketch before but i'm interested in experimenting with this
However, my boat does not have a mizzen staysail onboard

I would be really interested in how this sail is supposed to be set up on my (not super Maramu
I  have seen a u bolt on deck just fwd of the hard dodger. Is this for the tack or does the tack attach more to windward?

basically any pointers as to tack and sheets much appreciated alond withthoughts on when the sail is best used. Downwind to beam reach, light airs etc? 

Many thank in advance
Miles
Maramu sealove #162



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Furling Motor Brush Dimensions

Ian Shepherd
 

Hi Hajo,

your dimensions seem quite different to mine and perhaps I should have said the mainsail furling motor. The sides of my brushes are 8mm x 10mm so I guess we are talking about different motors. Maybe Amel changed the motor during the evolution of the SM?

If you are talking about the genoa furling motor then I shall get some spares from Josef Mack as I am sure that one day soon I will need them.

Thank you so much for your help.

Regards

Ian SM2K 414 Crusader (2003) Larnaca.



On 18/10/2017 18:20, Amw amw08@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 
Hi Ian,
The brushes I bought have the dimension of 16x6x22 mm.
I bought it at Josef Mack GmbH & Co.Kg , Gießener Straße 49, 3505 Grünberg, Germany
Tel. 0049 6401 2106 09-0, Fax 0049 6401 4910 or info at mack-kohlebuersten.de.

Hope this helps

Hajo
Serafine SM 150
Carloforte, San Pietro



Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 18.10.2017 um 18:43 schrieb Ian Shepherd sv_freespirit@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi,

can anyone please tell me the LENGTH of the carbon brushes for the Leroy
furling motor when they are new? I am trying to source spare brushes
locally or on eBay but do not have a new brush left to measure.
Obviously I can measure the side dimensions from my worn ones. If
possible can you please state the length in millimeters.

Incidentally, when the motor starts to play up I found that swapping the
top and bottom brushes over the best way of restoring normal operations.
Cleaning the brush surfaces and the commutator only worked for one or
two cycles whereas swapping the brushes seemed to fix the problem more
permanently.

With thanks

Ian Shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader Larnaca Cyprus



Re: Whisker Pole

Craig Briggs
 

Hey Kent, 

Can't quite tell what the problem is. If we call the long pole the whisker pole and the short one to the mast a jockey pole, I'm not understanding how the whisker pole won't connect to the jockey pole, since it seems you're saying it was the outboard end of the whisker pole, which is the block for the jib/balooner sheet, that was damaged. 
So, if that's the case, it seems the outboard end of the jockey pole and the inboard end of the whisker pole were not damaged and there should be no problem.  What am I missing? 

Or was it the inboard end of the whisker pole that was damaged? Or, if it's the jockey pole that was damaged and it's now too short, it seems you'll need a new piece of tube - cheap fix and just reuse the end fittings. Then again, if it's the inboard end of the whisker pole, can you use your FINE tool with a cutting blade to cut off the aluminum extrusion and twist/pull/peel the aluminum tube to get the rivets free? Shouldn't be a problem if the whisker pole is a few inches short.

Cheers, Craig SN68 - at Bridge Ponte Marine, New Bern, NC waiting for a weather window south.


---In amelyachtowners@..., <karkauai@...> wrote :

Hi All.
While I was sailing upthe Gulf Stream this Spring, I got caught in a microburst and one of my whisker poles dipped in the water, twisting it enough to break the rivets that hold the outboard end in the pole. I couldn't remove it and took it to a machine shop that removed it, but replaced the piece too far inboard and I discovered on the way to Jacksonville that it wouldn't stay clipped to the articulating piece on the jockey pole. I drilled out the rivets but can't budge the fitting.
Has anyone had this problem, or removed the fitting? If so, how did you get it out?
Thanks in advance.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy
Jacksonville, FL UNTIL Dec 1


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Distributed vs. Conventional Electrical Systems

Craig Briggs
 

Frankly, Kent, a separate chase seems a bit of overkill. Probably just disconnecting the engine starting cables every few years (maybe when you replace the battery) and pulling them out of the chase for inspection then reinstalling would be more than sufficient. And I don't think I'd bother with putting fuses on the engine cables at the battery.  Maybe on the house bank like Bill R did. Seemed he fused each battery pair, though, and I'd think just fusing the main cables to the 24v panel would do, like, I think, Alan did.
Craig, SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <karkauai@...> wrote :

Hmmm, thanks Craig.  Seems to me separate chases for Pos and Neg cables would be a good idea.  I guess I'd better add the fuses as others are doing.
Kent



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Distributed vs. Conventional Electrical Systems

James Alton
 

Gabriele Antolini,

   First congratulations on continuing to cruise on your Amel at 78, you are an inspiration.  One of the reasons that I selected an Amel is to hopefully extend my cruising years for as long as possible.  I hope that you have many more enjoyable years aboard Sunny Side.  Second,  I feel quite sure that you have cleared up the confusion that I had about Sueno's bow thruster and I feel a little embarrassed that I did not figure out my error until you pointed it out.   I apparently either got some bad original instruction on the function of the 100 Amp breaker on the Port side of the forward cabin or wasn't paying close enough attention because it has been my understanding that this breaker needed to be on to operate the bow thruster.   I have been dutifully turning the breaker on before each use of the bow thruster and of course it worked each time so all seemed fine.  After reading your post I realized that I have seen the connections of the two large power cables to the bow thruster relay on the Port side of the bow thruster just as you described on your boat.  So the 100 Amp breaker is not providing the power for my bow thruster, hence the electrical horsepower that I was calculating was not correct.  In retrospect this makes a lot more sense, why would Amel run such large cables forward in my boat and then distribute the power through a 100 Amp breaker?  I really should have caught that one...    I guess this is an example of what makes this forum so valuable.  I look forward to learning more about my Amel,  both through reading and from spending time on the boat.  I hope to meet you out there someday.  Thanks.

James Alton
SV,  Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] staysail mizzen setup

James Alton
 

Miles,

   We use the Mizzen staysail on our Maramu a lot.  We use the sail from about 60 degrees to about 120 degrees apparent and it often adds almost a  knot of boat speed.  I am pretty sure that the Staysail is larger than the mainsail in total area.  It does have to come down when you need to tack or jibe but we find the sail to be pretty easy to handle and only use it in winds up to about 15 knots with the wind forward of the beam and 20 aft which keeps things manageable.  We use the U bolt you mentioned ahead of the windshield for the tack.  The Optimum sheeting position for the clew varies with the apparent wind angle,  (sort of same as with the genoa). The end of the mizzen boom seems to work pretty well for broad reaching to open up the slot between the mizzen.  This is  my second season with our Maramu so hopefully you will get more detailed input from others.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Oct 20, 2017, at 7:11 AM, 'smilesbernard@...' smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hello there
I'm considering my sail wardrobe  for a N Atlantic circuit next year
I've seen and heard on this forum that people rate the mizzen staysail highly 
I;ve never owned a ketch before but i'm interested in experimenting with this
However, my boat does not have a mizzen staysail onboard

I would be really interested in how this sail is supposed to be set up on my (not super Maramu
I  have seen a u bolt on deck just fwd of the hard dodger. Is this for the tack or does the tack attach more to windward?

basically any pointers as to tack and sheets much appreciated alond withthoughts on when the sail is best used. Downwind to beam reach, light airs etc? 

Many thank in advance
Miles
Maramu sealove #162



Re: staysail mizzen setup

Ian Townsend
 

I was hoping that it might be the artimon staysail (or secret sail as Bill likes to call it). But it is an old regular mizzen sail.

Ian


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: staysail mizzen setup

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

It means Mizzen



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On Fri, 10/20/17, @LocaLola [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: staysail mizzen setup
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:19 AM


 









All my spare sails are in bags and labelled en
francais. Is this the sail called Artimon?
Ian TownsendLoca Lola
II SM153









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Re: staysail mizzen setup

Ian Townsend
 

All my spare sails are in bags and labelled en francais. Is this the sail called Artimon?

Ian Townsend
Loca Lola II 
SM153


Whisker Pole

karkauai
 

Hi All.
While I was sailing upthe Gulf Stream this Spring, I got caught in a microburst and one of my whisker poles dipped in the water, twisting it enough to break the rivets that hold the outboard end in the pole. I couldn't remove it and took it to a machine shop that removed it, but replaced the piece too far inboard and I discovered on the way to Jacksonville that it wouldn't stay clipped to the articulating piece on the jockey pole. I drilled out the rivets but can't budge the fitting.
Has anyone had this problem, or removed the fitting? If so, how did you get it out?
Thanks in advance.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy
Jacksonville, FL UNTIL Dec 1


Re: staysail mizzen setup

Ian Park
 

Yes it is for the tack. There should be a spare halliard on the mizzen for the staysail. I run the sheets back through the same pulleys I use for the ballooner. They are attached near the pushpit and then run forward to the two small winches on the cockpit end of the aft deck.
That is the Santorin setup, don't know how it compares with the Maramu. Most useful on a beam reach or just aft. Easy to use with two.

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] staysail mizzen setup

Courtney Gorman
 

Yes that is for the Tack  you should contact Bill in his manual there are instructions and photo's of exactly how to rig and fly that sail
Cheers
Courtney


-----Original Message-----
From: 'smilesbernard@...' smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Oct 20, 2017 6:11 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] staysail mizzen setup

 
Hello there
I'm considering my sail wardrobe  for a N Atlantic circuit next year
I've seen and heard on this forum that people rate the mizzen staysail highly 
I;ve never owned a ketch before but i'm interested in experimenting with this
However, my boat does not have a mizzen staysail onboard

I would be really interested in how this sail is supposed to be set up on my (not super Maramu
I  have seen a u bolt on deck just fwd of the hard dodger. Is this for the tack or does the tack attach more to windward?

basically any pointers as to tack and sheets much appreciated alond withthoughts on when the sail is best used. Downwind to beam reach, light airs etc? 

Many thank in advance
Miles
Maramu sealove #162


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Distributed vs. Conventional Electrical Systems

karkauai
 

Hmmm, thanks Craig.  Seems to me separate chases for Pos and Neg cables would be a good idea.  I guess I'd better add the fuses as others are doing.
Kent



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Distributed vs. Conventional Electrical Systems

Craig Briggs
 


Hi Kent,
Then again, when SM Miss Lindy burned through her wires three times, then short was a foot inside the PVC chase running to the main engine. On my SN, yes, the bow thruster cables go through a PVC chase.
Hope you had a good trip - won't be far behind you.
Craig, SN68

---In amelyachtowners@..., <karkauai@...> wrote :

Does anyone know if the positive and negative cables to the bow thruster are run in separate chases? That would make a dead short less likely.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
En route to Jacksonville FL