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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furling Gearbox Differences

Ian
 

Just about to fit 2 new Bonfiglios. Grinding one down to fit was easy as it is aluminium or something very similar. Then you need to paint it. I used an aluminium etching primer and the two or three one part top coats.
Not anticipating an easy job with the Anderson separation, but I’ve got everyone’s notes to hand!

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN 96 (back in Grenada at last)

Re: Hurth Gearbox heat exchanger coupling

scentstone
 

Thanks Mark,

I think that with your check and the notice from Bill I can order 2 Ref 3367 and take a rest ;-) 

Great team !

Fred
S/V ScentStone
SM2K #375

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hurth Gearbox heat exchanger coupling

scentstone
 

Thanks a lot Bill, I greatly appreciate.

I'll send you a message on your website.
Kind regards.
F.

Fred
S/V ScentStone
SM2K #375

Sea cock & thru hulls

smiles bernard
 

Hi there
My maramu seems to have non marine ball valves fitted as seacocks

Whilst they look new I assume I should replace these with marelon or something equivalent

At the risk of asking a daft question . . These Amel Thru hulls are new to me. Is there a threaded section glassed into the through hull? If so is this metal or a plastic?
It'd be a great help to know before I attempt something stupid !

Many thanks in advance

Miles
Maramu #162

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] High quality spare Ropes SM 2000

Alan Leslie
 

Since we changed our main outhaul to 12mm Vectran (kevlar like material), we have had zero problems with slippage
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furling Gearbox Differences

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Excellent to know!
I never replaced the one inside the mast so did now know about that, but makes sense.



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On Mon, 11/6/17, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furling Gearbox Differences
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, November 6, 2017, 10:14 AM


 









One other difference is you'll have to grind
off the cooling fins on the Bonfiglioli if using it for the
mast furler (vs. outhaul) so it can fit inside the mast
opening (at least on the SN).Craig SN68


---In amelyachtowners@...,
<uster@...> wrote :

Since my boat is
equipped with the Leroy Somer Mini Bloc MVA outhaul
transmissions and I have 2 spares of the Bonfiglioli Model
VF44 I wanted to see if they are identical.



Here are the differences I found:

http://nikimat.com/furler_transmission_leroy_somer_vs_bonfiglioli.html



Sincerely, Alexandre















For those of you

who have more experiences with Amel's of different

vintages... are there fitting differences between

the Leroy Somer and Bonfiglioli gearboxes used on

the Mainmast furling system? 



Are they interchangeable? 

Interchangeable with modifications?  Or just too
different

to try?

Thanks!

Bill

KinneySm160,

HarmonieDeltaville,

VAWaiting for the last of TS

Philippe to go by so we can head

south.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furling Gearbox Differences

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

One other difference is you'll have to grind off the cooling fins on the Bonfiglioli if using it for the mast furler (vs. outhaul) so it can fit inside the mast opening (at least on the SN).
Craig SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <uster@...> wrote :

Since my boat is equipped with the Leroy Somer Mini Bloc MVA outhaul transmissions and I have 2 spares of the Bonfiglioli Model VF44 I wanted to see if they are identical.

Here are the differences I found:
http://nikimat.com/furler_transmission_leroy_somer_vs_bonfiglioli.html

Sincerely, Alexandre







For those of you
who have more experiences with Amel's of different
vintages... are there fitting differences between
the Leroy Somer and Bonfiglioli gearboxes used on
the Mainmast furling system? 

Are they interchangeable? 
Interchangeable with modifications?  Or just too different
to try?
Thanks!
Bill
KinneySm160,
HarmonieDeltaville,
VAWaiting for the last of TS
Philippe to go by so we can head
south.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] High quality spare Ropes SM 2000

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Oliver,

Amel SAV recommends replacing with Dyneema 12mm because 10mm Kevlar is almost impossible to find.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Oliver Buhlert-von Duehren obuhlert@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello Alexandre,

for spare I need a 10 diameter to replace in case another 10 diameter Kevlar. 

For replacement it is the rope which is „moving" the boom extension car of the main boom. 

We are in the US.

Oliver
SV JoEmi
SM 2000 No. 397  

Am 05.11.2017 um 16:49 schrieb Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>:

Hello Olivier, 

Which “rope”?  
and where are you located?

Sincerely Alexandre

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On Sun, 11/5/17, qmvwv3fna4dth3r32bdwtz3bpy7meopg2s2xlnuq@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] High quality spare Ropes SM 2000
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 5, 2017, 9:17 AM


 









Hello,
We plan to replace one rope
and would like to buy some very good spare ropes- just
for,the case. We are looking for the original ropes or maybe
better ones.
Any recommendations. So far
we would choose again Kevlar ropes. We don't need
halyards.
Oliver SV
JoEmiSM 2000 No. 397







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Re: Dish washer/washer dryer

Derick Gates
 

I started just washing dishes by hand, but have found the dishwasher to be very convenient and quick and use it much more often now.  The clothes washer is used all the time, but I dry clothes by hanging them up, not using the dryer function. 

Derick Gates
SM2K#400 Brava
Currently on the hard in Bailey's boatyard, Antigua

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head Pump Out

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Mark,

Thanks for your nice message.
Actually was Hurricane Irma (not Harvey), but same result.

I really like Sint Maarten/Saint Martin!
There is a good balance of the Dutch side, very efficient like in the US, and the good food and laid back attitude of the French side! Plus the import tax is pretty low 0 to 4%, compare to 60% for the Bahamas or Turks & Caicos (which I love as well).
Where did you stayed in Sint Maarten?

The salvage work started, then the government stop it, then now it resumed.
At the marina: a half sunk sailboat have been towed, and another raised from water waiting to be towed and destroyed.
The catamaran that flew on the roof of the Yacht Club has been removed.
In the Lagoon I see 3 other boats that have been raised and are waiting on mooring balls to be scraped.
But I think the cleaning will take longer than people originally thought.
I have been twice to the French side, was more damaged: 95% of the building had damaged (I estimate 1/3 completely destroyed).
They are a bit slower, or may be more careful with the work (here on the Dutch side, people don’t wait for building permit, they just rebuild).
I am renting a car next week, will see if there is progress.

I think I found a great lawyer, actually a law teacher, technically retired, who also sailed and had a bad experience with Helvetia so is eager to help. He was refered to me by another lawyer who own a Super Maramu, now retired in St Barth so will meet next month! Small world!

Hope we met sometime!
Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Sun, 11/5/17, Mark Garver @Itsgood [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head Pump Out
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, November 5, 2017, 6:35 PM


 










Alexandre,
Thank
you for the quick reply! Also, so sorry to hear about your
boat and all of the other issues you have had with Hurricane
Harvey. St. Maarten is one of my favorite places and I used
to live there several years ago, mostly while doing work
there and is certainly on our list of sailing destinations.
I hope things are getting better on the island for you and
others. I have heard from a couple of friends, but not all,
just hoping they are okay and simply dislocated. You are in
our thoughts at all times and we are always hoping for the
best for you!
Thanks
again!
Mark
On Nov 05, 2017, at 11:53 AM, "Alexandre
Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 Hello Mark & Jennifer,


here is what I used:
http://nikimat.com/pump_out_hose.html
The hose will suck from the bottom of your
tank.

Never a fun
experience, but gets better with time!

Sincerely, Alexandre


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On Sun, 11/5/17, @Itsgood
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Head Pump Out
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, November 5, 2017, 10:14 AM


 









Having recently purchased Super Maramu
#105, we encountered a minor issue during our
first pump out
and that issue being that
the standard pump out adapters do
not
simply screw on to the SM deck fittings, so of course I
used the non threaded push in attachment,
which again was a
bit of an issue due to
the diameter of the pump out at the
deck.
Simply wrapping some rubber gloves around the
attachment, and holding it an a very specific
position
allowed me to finally get the
tanks pumped out. My questions
is this,
"Is there a better method"? I have
actually considered getting an adapter made at
a machine
shop that would allow us to
simply use the standard pump out

attachments at the various marinas we will be at in the
US.
Once Marina recommended changing the
deck fittings for
something standard here,
to which I said no, in fear of the

"Keeper of all things Amel", Bill R. haunting
me
during every pump out.

Any previous experienced
fixes or
suggestions to this situation? I apologize if this
was already a topic, but I did search and
didn't see
it.

Thanks!
Mark and Jennifer

GarverS/V It's
GoodAmel Super Maramu
#105

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

smiles bernard
 

Hi Christian

thanks so much for the detailed information - extremely helpful indeed
great to that we can avoid removing the hardtop 
and also really helpful to have the details of Carlos. my wife speaks fluent spanish which is always a great help as my spanish is basic
I'll keep an eye on oil density as you suggest. unfortunately the cover on my Perkins oil/temp/rev/start unit is crazed and very hard to read so perhaps i should replace this and/or also buy a hand held oil pressure gauge

Many thanks again and good luck - i look forward to hearing how it goes. Its always good to hear of people rebuilding rather than buying new - in theory it should be completely possible and always feels like a preferable option to throw away  

All the best
Miles





On Monday, November 6, 2017, 10:52:54 AM GMT, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Good day to you
we took the engine out without removing the cockpit hardtop
we even kept the helmsman seat in position (old fashion from Amel - no backrest); 
we removed the mainsheet winch from its support on the mizzen mast.
we removed one stay on mizzen & backstay on main mast to allow for the crane boom to extend straight over the engine.
and removed all attachments to the engine (inverter, alternators, pumps, cooling, filters) to allow for ease of lifting with hydraulic crane.
We kept the engine on its support frame as one bolt holding on engine mounts was corroded to a point where we thought it might have to be cut out.

measured dimensions & checked that we had ample space to come out without removing the cockpit cover.
the M65 engine being new generation is smaller than the old 4.154 (lgth 1.25 M), so no problem to remove the engine. 

two soft slings on engine lifting point with shackles; 2 leader lines to hold & guide. Came out easy as pie (very able crane operator).
lift was about 280 Kgs at 9 M from centerline of crane - Crane capacity was 3 Tons with boom extension reaching at 14 M
Note : marina Atlantico in Lanzarote has got a pontoon down by the ferry terminal which allows for the boat to be moved alongside for ease of operations.

The mechanical workshop I use is SC motores diesel 0034922646755 Ask for Carlos, they have a very well outfitetd workshop (machine shop specialised in rectifying work on all kinds of engine, as well as a lab for injection parts repair & testing) & very able personnel - Carlos speaks little English. They organised the crane.
There is a good mechanical workshop in Arrecife - Lanzarote, right next to Shipchandler on the fishermen quayside. Worth to check as they deal with fishermen boats.

I will keep you posted on progress & result of repairs

However I woul recommend that before resorting to removal of engine, you keep an eye on the density of the oïl (smell of diesel, liquid lube oïl), and if oïl pressures keeps dropping go thru the Perkins fault finding list trying to eliminate the causes one by one. The lift pump access is easy to remove & to check; Injection pump on the 4.154 was not easy to remove on engine in position. Oil pump, bearings, injection pump are  definetly a 'lift off' operation (last resort as your engine is very Young running).

Fair Wind 

christian alby - desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - Santa Cruz de     Tenerife


Le ‎lundi‎ ‎6‎ ‎novembre‎ ‎2017‎ ‎10‎:‎06‎:‎48‎ ‎CET, 'smilesbernard@...' smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :


 

Hi there Christian

I am new to Amel ownership
I have a maramu #162 with a perkins M65 700 series from 2000 ish
In terms of engine removal - does the cockpit hard top come off to allow the engine to be lifted? 

Also as my boat is in the canaries too (lanzarote currently but soon to move to anagas) any info about good mechanics or riggers in the area would be very helpful.

From your last post  - you now suspect the fuel lift pump seal- is that correct? If so i will rder a spare seal for my lift pump

All the very best with the engine rebuild

Miles
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

christian alby
 

Good day to you
we took the engine out without removing the cockpit hardtop
we even kept the helmsman seat in position (old fashion from Amel - no backrest); 
we removed the mainsheet winch from its support on the mizzen mast.
we removed one stay on mizzen & backstay on main mast to allow for the crane boom to extend straight over the engine.
and removed all attachments to the engine (inverter, alternators, pumps, cooling, filters) to allow for ease of lifting with hydraulic crane.
We kept the engine on its support frame as one bolt holding on engine mounts was corroded to a point where we thought it might have to be cut out.

measured dimensions & checked that we had ample space to come out without removing the cockpit cover.
the M65 engine being new generation is smaller than the old 4.154 (lgth 1.25 M), so no problem to remove the engine. 

two soft slings on engine lifting point with shackles; 2 leader lines to hold & guide. Came out easy as pie (very able crane operator).
lift was about 280 Kgs at 9 M from centerline of crane - Crane capacity was 3 Tons with boom extension reaching at 14 M
Note : marina Atlantico in Lanzarote has got a pontoon down by the ferry terminal which allows for the boat to be moved alongside for ease of operations.

The mechanical workshop I use is SC motores diesel 0034922646755 Ask for Carlos, they have a very well outfitetd workshop (machine shop specialised in rectifying work on all kinds of engine, as well as a lab for injection parts repair & testing) & very able personnel - Carlos speaks little English. They organised the crane.
There is a good mechanical workshop in Arrecife - Lanzarote, right next to Shipchandler on the fishermen quayside. Worth to check as they deal with fishermen boats.

I will keep you posted on progress & result of repairs

However I woul recommend that before resorting to removal of engine, you keep an eye on the density of the oïl (smell of diesel, liquid lube oïl), and if oïl pressures keeps dropping go thru the Perkins fault finding list trying to eliminate the causes one by one. The lift pump access is easy to remove & to check; Injection pump on the 4.154 was not easy to remove on engine in position. Oil pump, bearings, injection pump are  definetly a 'lift off' operation (last resort as your engine is very Young running).

Fair Wind 

christian alby - desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - Santa Cruz de     Tenerife


Le ‎lundi‎ ‎6‎ ‎novembre‎ ‎2017‎ ‎10‎:‎06‎:‎48‎ ‎CET, 'smilesbernard@...' smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :


 

Hi there Christian

I am new to Amel ownership
I have a maramu #162 with a perkins M65 700 series from 2000 ish
In terms of engine removal - does the cockpit hard top come off to allow the engine to be lifted? 

Also as my boat is in the canaries too (lanzarote currently but soon to move to anagas) any info about good mechanics or riggers in the area would be very helpful.

From your last post  - you now suspect the fuel lift pump seal- is that correct? If so i will rder a spare seal for my lift pump

All the very best with the engine rebuild

Miles
 

Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

smiles bernard
 

Hi there Christian

I am new to Amel ownership
I have a maramu #162 with a perkins M65 700 series from 2000 ish
In terms of engine removal - does the cockpit hard top come off to allow the engine to be lifted? 

Also as my boat is in the canaries too (lanzarote currently but soon to move to anagas) any info about good mechanics or riggers in the area would be very helpful.

From your last post  - you now suspect the fuel lift pump seal- is that correct? If so i will rder a spare seal for my lift pump

All the very best with the engine rebuild

Miles
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Replacing AMFA Fresh Water System by Jabsco

greatketch@...
 

I use a parallel pair of Marco UPE2 gear pumps as my freshwater pump.  They are much more robustly built that the other alternatives to the Amel original pump I have seen, but of course you pay for that. I have a fair amount of experience with Whale, Jabsco, and other diaphragm pumps and most of it has been not good. We have had the Marcos in service for a year of full time service and are very happy.


The pressure is listed as "29 PSI" and that is a maximum.  We see pressures of 25psi in real world use.  That seems low, but with good fittings (especially shower heads) it is more than satisfactory.  The flow volume is more than we can use with two users fully open.  Having two pumps in parallel means I have a built-in installed spare in case of problems.  

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
LMC, Fort Lauderdale, FL






Re: Dish washer/washer dryer

greatketch@...
 

Jut one more data point:

On our boat the dishwasher was removed to make room for more storage a long time ago. We do not miss it.  We use way less water washing by hand, and do not find that to be a burden.

The clothes washer we use when we are away from the dock for extended periods (which is common).  If we know we are going to be tied to shore with access to commercial laundry facilities, we might save up laundry to do there.  On our Amel we have never done laundry by hand.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head Pump Out

Mark Garver
 


Mark,

Thanks for the additional information, I am going to give it a try. Looking forward to the pictures of your poop straw. :)

Best,

Mark and Jennifer
S/V It's Good
AMEL SM #105
Currently in Gloucester, VA - Heading south to Charleston, SC soon!


On Nov 05, 2017, at 02:58 PM, "mfmcgovern@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

 

Mark,

I had the same issues pumping out initially until I found Alex from Nikimat's page. I used that design to make what my wife and I affectionately call the "poop straw". We used this fitting from Defender:
Deck Fill Diameter: 1-5/8 Inch
Actual Thread Diameter: 1-1/4 Inch MPT
Threads / Inch: 11.5
Model #: 310343503

I simply screwed the fitting into 1.5" ID Sanitation Hose without any sealant or adhesive. We store it in a garbage bag in the port side deep locker.

This enabled us to pump out. However, we still struggled to get a good seal between the pump nozzle and the fitting on the "poop straw" mostly because the fitting did not sit flush with the deck due to the length of the hose. I decided to inspect our tank design and found that the bottom of our holding tanks are only about 17 inches below the deck. The drain hose from the bottom of the holding tank to the ball valve is obviously much further below the deck but getting the "poop straw" down in that hole was not easy and made the fitting not sit perpendicular to the deck. I decided to cut the length of the "poop straw" to approximately 17 inches below the foam seal on the fitting. I also made sure to cut the bottom on a bit of an angle. The fitting now sits flush with the deck and I can simply press the pump into the fitting to get a good seal and can pump out with ease. It doesn't empty the tank 100% but it does get the vast majority out and it now takes us no time and the process is significantly cleaner too. I will add a new album called "Holding Tank Pump Out" with some pictures of our "poop straw" to the photos section.

Hope this helps.

Mark
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head Pump Out

Mark Garver
 


Alexandre,

Thank you for the quick reply! Also, so sorry to hear about your boat and all of the other issues you have had with Hurricane Harvey. St. Maarten is one of my favorite places and I used to live there several years ago, mostly while doing work there and is certainly on our list of sailing destinations. I hope things are getting better on the island for you and others. I have heard from a couple of friends, but not all, just hoping they are okay and simply dislocated. You are in our thoughts at all times and we are always hoping for the best for you!

Thanks again!

Mark


On Nov 05, 2017, at 11:53 AM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

 

Hello Mark & Jennifer,

here is what I used:
http://nikimat.com/pump_out_hose.html
The hose will suck from the bottom of your tank.

Never a fun experience, but gets better with time!

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Sun, 11/5/17, mgarver@... [amelyachtowners]
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head Pump Out
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, November 5, 2017, 10:14 AM


 









Having recently purchased Super Maramu
#105, we encountered a minor issue during our first pump out
and that issue being that the standard pump out adapters do
not simply screw on to the SM deck fittings, so of course I
used the non threaded push in attachment, which again was a
bit of an issue due to the diameter of the pump out at the
deck. Simply wrapping some rubber gloves around the
attachment, and holding it an a very specific position
allowed me to finally get the tanks pumped out. My questions
is this, "Is there a better method"? I have
actually considered getting an adapter made at a machine
shop that would allow us to simply use the standard pump out
attachments at the various marinas we will be at in the US.
Once Marina recommended changing the deck fittings for
something standard here, to which I said no, in fear of the
"Keeper of all things Amel", Bill R. haunting me
during every pump out.
Any previous experienced
fixes or suggestions to this situation? I apologize if this
was already a topic, but I did search and didn't see
it.
Thanks!
Mark and Jennifer
GarverS/V It's
GoodAmel Super Maramu #105




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] High quality spare Ropes SM 2000

greatketch@...
 

It is important to note that the manufacturer of the "Line Tender" that Amel modified to run the outhaul on the main boom and used for the main sail traveler ONLY recommends 12 mm line.  

If you try to use 10mm line you will have problems with it slipping.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Perkins M 4.154 repairs

James Alton
 

Alan Grayson,

   Thanks for the recommendation, it is good to know that this company has recent experience with the 4-154.   I will give Diesel Parts a call this week to find out the scoop on replacing the seal and maybe even use them at some point to go through the whole injection system.  It would sure be sad to loose a whole engine because of something as simple as a seal failing. 

   You must be very excited about your plans to purchase a late model Super Maramu.   I think that the SM is the pinnacle of the Amel designs from what I have seen.  

Best of luck,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Nov 5, 2017, at 12:24 PM, bazgrayson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

HI James, all diesel went into the crankcase, no evidence of leak on the pump. I don't believe you can replace seals without breaking it apart. I recommend calling diesel Parts in Houston, TX.  (713) 926-4439. The guys in the service dept ( 4 brothers) and super knowledgeable about Perkins engines. They rebuilt mine and a good friend with a 4154 also uses them. They are happy to answer any questions over the phone as well.

We would like a late model Super Maramu.
Alan Grayson


Re: Replacing AMFA Fresh Water System by Jabsco

seagasm
 

We replaced our AMFA pump back in 2011 when we were in Vanauatu, proved to be a very expensive exercise, only to have it fail again 2013. Old technoligy I'm afraid, the the plumbing method is used on every residence who are surviving on a rain water tank. I am not sure what the small Acumilator did that was mounted on the top of the pump itself, but we retained the 10 ltr Accumilator mounted behind the Quick Marine Boiler (Hot water system) that maintains a regular water pressure. We replaced the AMFA pump with a SPX Johnson Pump WPS 3.5. I managed to wire up the green light in the galley and the system has worked perfectly since.

Kind Regards
Barry & Robyn
Tradewinds III SM # 171