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Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

Andy
 

Thanks for sharing in such detail Christian .

All the best with the rebuild , it seems you are in good hands.

We also have been pleasantly impressed with the thought that has taken place by Henri Amel with respect to ensuring ease of access for maintenance and removal of critical parts.

Looking forward to your next posts

Best of luck

Andy
SV Paladin
Maramu #75

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Illustration removal outhaul boom transmission shaft.

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Ian,

Sorry, I replied your previous post, then just saw this message!

Excellent for the illustration! Hope it helps!
When you remove the shaft, could you please measure its diameter?
I am "guessing" it is 16 mm on the Santorin and was 19 or 20 on my SM2K.

Very slowly there is a bit of progress in Sint Maarten, but people realize the tourist season they thought they would be ready for is not going to be as good.
On the paper you could see they were not happy 25 Cruise Ship had scheduled to go to St Thomas and here I think 2…

I would wait before coming.
They are a few boats anchored outside the bridge, but there is no marina to go to, and if there was a slip no power not electricity (at least for both the IGY).
Doesn’t look like Port de Plaisance has started any salvaging.
I am renting a car and will check Island Water World as well as Anse Marcel later this week.
For the Chandlery Island Water World has bee open for a while and I am sure Budget Marine is, I will check later this week.

Eric (on Kimberlite) needed fuel, so I inquired and was told the only fuel station accessible by boat is near the french bridge.

Don’t hesitate to ask me time to time how things are progressing!
I will fly to St Barth later this month.

Hope we meet!
I have never been on the Santorin and would love to have a tour!
Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Mon, 11/6/17, Ian parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Illustration removal outhaul boom transmission shaft.
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, November 6, 2017, 3:20 PM


 









Excellent timing Alexander. I am about to attack
this very project. My Santorin has Bonfiglios so I don’t
anticipate some of the issues by replacing like for like.

But thank you for the photos.



How are things generally in St Martin now? We would like to
come there again, but don’t know what the conditions are
like re local navigation, marinas and chandlers etc opening
up again.



Any advice most welcome



Best wishes



Ian



Ocean Hobo SN96

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furling Gearbox Differences

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

For information, I have 2 NEW Bonfiglioli for sale.
http://nikimat.com/parts_for_sale/bonfiglioli_model_vf44_p1_70_p63_b14_b370_1_reduction.html

Preferably pick up in Sint Maarten, but can ship.

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Mon, 11/6/17, Ian parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furling Gearbox Differences
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, November 6, 2017, 3:11 PM


 









Just about to fit 2 new Bonfiglios. Grinding one
down to fit was easy as it is aluminium or something very
similar. Then you need to paint it. I used an aluminium
etching primer and the two or three one part top coats.

Not anticipating an easy job with the Anderson separation,
but I’ve got everyone’s notes to hand!



Ian



Ocean Hobo SN 96 (back in Grenada at last)

phased electronics replacement

sailor63109@...
 

The recent failure of the masthead unit for the Hydra 2000 ($1,000 replacement cost since I killed it trying to free the bearings) has gotten me to thinking about a phased replacement of the electronics.  Right now all is well, but I do like the features found in the current generation of gizmo's.


The Hydra 2000 system, as far as I can tell, is not connected to the Furuno chartplotters or the Raymarine S3G Autohelm.  I know Bill R has done some significant work to Bebe to make that happen, but that's not the case on my boat.


So, it seems I could replace the Chartplotter/Radar/Gyro combo without effecting either the Hydra 2000 or the Raymarine Autohelm IN THE SHORT TERM.  


Since the Hydra 2000 is NMEA 0183, it could be plugged into a new NMEA 2000 Chartplotter, if I were to go that route.  Since the S3G is old, and uses Seatalk, I don't know if it could be connected to a NMEA 2000 bus.


If the sounder fails (which seems to be a common occurrence), and I have the new Chartplotter installed, it would be simple to connect a new forward scanning sonar transducer into it.


I'm thinking of this since I've already put about $2,500 into the current system and like a car with 130,000 miles on it I don't want to keep putting money into it if the failures are going to accelerate.  Has anyone tried a "phased approach"?


Any luck connecting the Raymarine S3G to NMEA 2000?


Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Illustration removal outhaul boom transmission shaft.

Ian
 

Excellent timing Alexander. I am about to attack this very project. My Santorin has Bonfiglios so I don’t anticipate some of the issues by replacing like for like.
But thank you for the photos.

How are things generally in St Martin now? We would like to come there again, but don’t know what the conditions are like re local navigation, marinas and chandlers etc opening up again.

Any advice most welcome

Best wishes

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furling Gearbox Differences

Ian
 

Just about to fit 2 new Bonfiglios. Grinding one down to fit was easy as it is aluminium or something very similar. Then you need to paint it. I used an aluminium etching primer and the two or three one part top coats.
Not anticipating an easy job with the Anderson separation, but I’ve got everyone’s notes to hand!

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN 96 (back in Grenada at last)

Re: Hurth Gearbox heat exchanger coupling

scentstone
 

Thanks Mark,

I think that with your check and the notice from Bill I can order 2 Ref 3367 and take a rest ;-) 

Great team !

Fred
S/V ScentStone
SM2K #375

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hurth Gearbox heat exchanger coupling

scentstone
 

Thanks a lot Bill, I greatly appreciate.

I'll send you a message on your website.
Kind regards.
F.

Fred
S/V ScentStone
SM2K #375

Sea cock & thru hulls

smiles bernard
 

Hi there
My maramu seems to have non marine ball valves fitted as seacocks

Whilst they look new I assume I should replace these with marelon or something equivalent

At the risk of asking a daft question . . These Amel Thru hulls are new to me. Is there a threaded section glassed into the through hull? If so is this metal or a plastic?
It'd be a great help to know before I attempt something stupid !

Many thanks in advance

Miles
Maramu #162

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] High quality spare Ropes SM 2000

Alan Leslie
 

Since we changed our main outhaul to 12mm Vectran (kevlar like material), we have had zero problems with slippage
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furling Gearbox Differences

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Excellent to know!
I never replaced the one inside the mast so did now know about that, but makes sense.



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On Mon, 11/6/17, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furling Gearbox Differences
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, November 6, 2017, 10:14 AM


 









One other difference is you'll have to grind
off the cooling fins on the Bonfiglioli if using it for the
mast furler (vs. outhaul) so it can fit inside the mast
opening (at least on the SN).Craig SN68


---In amelyachtowners@...,
<uster@...> wrote :

Since my boat is
equipped with the Leroy Somer Mini Bloc MVA outhaul
transmissions and I have 2 spares of the Bonfiglioli Model
VF44 I wanted to see if they are identical.



Here are the differences I found:

http://nikimat.com/furler_transmission_leroy_somer_vs_bonfiglioli.html



Sincerely, Alexandre















For those of you

who have more experiences with Amel's of different

vintages... are there fitting differences between

the Leroy Somer and Bonfiglioli gearboxes used on

the Mainmast furling system? 



Are they interchangeable? 

Interchangeable with modifications?  Or just too
different

to try?

Thanks!

Bill

KinneySm160,

HarmonieDeltaville,

VAWaiting for the last of TS

Philippe to go by so we can head

south.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furling Gearbox Differences

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

One other difference is you'll have to grind off the cooling fins on the Bonfiglioli if using it for the mast furler (vs. outhaul) so it can fit inside the mast opening (at least on the SN).
Craig SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <uster@...> wrote :

Since my boat is equipped with the Leroy Somer Mini Bloc MVA outhaul transmissions and I have 2 spares of the Bonfiglioli Model VF44 I wanted to see if they are identical.

Here are the differences I found:
http://nikimat.com/furler_transmission_leroy_somer_vs_bonfiglioli.html

Sincerely, Alexandre







For those of you
who have more experiences with Amel's of different
vintages... are there fitting differences between
the Leroy Somer and Bonfiglioli gearboxes used on
the Mainmast furling system? 

Are they interchangeable? 
Interchangeable with modifications?  Or just too different
to try?
Thanks!
Bill
KinneySm160,
HarmonieDeltaville,
VAWaiting for the last of TS
Philippe to go by so we can head
south.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] High quality spare Ropes SM 2000

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Oliver,

Amel SAV recommends replacing with Dyneema 12mm because 10mm Kevlar is almost impossible to find.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Oliver Buhlert-von Duehren obuhlert@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello Alexandre,

for spare I need a 10 diameter to replace in case another 10 diameter Kevlar. 

For replacement it is the rope which is „moving" the boom extension car of the main boom. 

We are in the US.

Oliver
SV JoEmi
SM 2000 No. 397  

Am 05.11.2017 um 16:49 schrieb Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>:

Hello Olivier, 

Which “rope”?  
and where are you located?

Sincerely Alexandre

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On Sun, 11/5/17, qmvwv3fna4dth3r32bdwtz3bpy7meopg2s2xlnuq@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] High quality spare Ropes SM 2000
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 5, 2017, 9:17 AM


 









Hello,
We plan to replace one rope
and would like to buy some very good spare ropes- just
for,the case. We are looking for the original ropes or maybe
better ones.
Any recommendations. So far
we would choose again Kevlar ropes. We don't need
halyards.
Oliver SV
JoEmiSM 2000 No. 397







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Re: Dish washer/washer dryer

Derick Gates
 

I started just washing dishes by hand, but have found the dishwasher to be very convenient and quick and use it much more often now.  The clothes washer is used all the time, but I dry clothes by hanging them up, not using the dryer function. 

Derick Gates
SM2K#400 Brava
Currently on the hard in Bailey's boatyard, Antigua

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head Pump Out

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Mark,

Thanks for your nice message.
Actually was Hurricane Irma (not Harvey), but same result.

I really like Sint Maarten/Saint Martin!
There is a good balance of the Dutch side, very efficient like in the US, and the good food and laid back attitude of the French side! Plus the import tax is pretty low 0 to 4%, compare to 60% for the Bahamas or Turks & Caicos (which I love as well).
Where did you stayed in Sint Maarten?

The salvage work started, then the government stop it, then now it resumed.
At the marina: a half sunk sailboat have been towed, and another raised from water waiting to be towed and destroyed.
The catamaran that flew on the roof of the Yacht Club has been removed.
In the Lagoon I see 3 other boats that have been raised and are waiting on mooring balls to be scraped.
But I think the cleaning will take longer than people originally thought.
I have been twice to the French side, was more damaged: 95% of the building had damaged (I estimate 1/3 completely destroyed).
They are a bit slower, or may be more careful with the work (here on the Dutch side, people don’t wait for building permit, they just rebuild).
I am renting a car next week, will see if there is progress.

I think I found a great lawyer, actually a law teacher, technically retired, who also sailed and had a bad experience with Helvetia so is eager to help. He was refered to me by another lawyer who own a Super Maramu, now retired in St Barth so will meet next month! Small world!

Hope we met sometime!
Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Sun, 11/5/17, Mark Garver @Itsgood [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head Pump Out
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, November 5, 2017, 6:35 PM


 










Alexandre,
Thank
you for the quick reply! Also, so sorry to hear about your
boat and all of the other issues you have had with Hurricane
Harvey. St. Maarten is one of my favorite places and I used
to live there several years ago, mostly while doing work
there and is certainly on our list of sailing destinations.
I hope things are getting better on the island for you and
others. I have heard from a couple of friends, but not all,
just hoping they are okay and simply dislocated. You are in
our thoughts at all times and we are always hoping for the
best for you!
Thanks
again!
Mark
On Nov 05, 2017, at 11:53 AM, "Alexandre
Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 Hello Mark & Jennifer,


here is what I used:
http://nikimat.com/pump_out_hose.html
The hose will suck from the bottom of your
tank.

Never a fun
experience, but gets better with time!

Sincerely, Alexandre


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On Sun, 11/5/17, @Itsgood
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Head Pump Out
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, November 5, 2017, 10:14 AM


 









Having recently purchased Super Maramu
#105, we encountered a minor issue during our
first pump out
and that issue being that
the standard pump out adapters do
not
simply screw on to the SM deck fittings, so of course I
used the non threaded push in attachment,
which again was a
bit of an issue due to
the diameter of the pump out at the
deck.
Simply wrapping some rubber gloves around the
attachment, and holding it an a very specific
position
allowed me to finally get the
tanks pumped out. My questions
is this,
"Is there a better method"? I have
actually considered getting an adapter made at
a machine
shop that would allow us to
simply use the standard pump out

attachments at the various marinas we will be at in the
US.
Once Marina recommended changing the
deck fittings for
something standard here,
to which I said no, in fear of the

"Keeper of all things Amel", Bill R. haunting
me
during every pump out.

Any previous experienced
fixes or
suggestions to this situation? I apologize if this
was already a topic, but I did search and
didn't see
it.

Thanks!
Mark and Jennifer

GarverS/V It's
GoodAmel Super Maramu
#105

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

smiles bernard
 

Hi Christian

thanks so much for the detailed information - extremely helpful indeed
great to that we can avoid removing the hardtop 
and also really helpful to have the details of Carlos. my wife speaks fluent spanish which is always a great help as my spanish is basic
I'll keep an eye on oil density as you suggest. unfortunately the cover on my Perkins oil/temp/rev/start unit is crazed and very hard to read so perhaps i should replace this and/or also buy a hand held oil pressure gauge

Many thanks again and good luck - i look forward to hearing how it goes. Its always good to hear of people rebuilding rather than buying new - in theory it should be completely possible and always feels like a preferable option to throw away  

All the best
Miles





On Monday, November 6, 2017, 10:52:54 AM GMT, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Good day to you
we took the engine out without removing the cockpit hardtop
we even kept the helmsman seat in position (old fashion from Amel - no backrest); 
we removed the mainsheet winch from its support on the mizzen mast.
we removed one stay on mizzen & backstay on main mast to allow for the crane boom to extend straight over the engine.
and removed all attachments to the engine (inverter, alternators, pumps, cooling, filters) to allow for ease of lifting with hydraulic crane.
We kept the engine on its support frame as one bolt holding on engine mounts was corroded to a point where we thought it might have to be cut out.

measured dimensions & checked that we had ample space to come out without removing the cockpit cover.
the M65 engine being new generation is smaller than the old 4.154 (lgth 1.25 M), so no problem to remove the engine. 

two soft slings on engine lifting point with shackles; 2 leader lines to hold & guide. Came out easy as pie (very able crane operator).
lift was about 280 Kgs at 9 M from centerline of crane - Crane capacity was 3 Tons with boom extension reaching at 14 M
Note : marina Atlantico in Lanzarote has got a pontoon down by the ferry terminal which allows for the boat to be moved alongside for ease of operations.

The mechanical workshop I use is SC motores diesel 0034922646755 Ask for Carlos, they have a very well outfitetd workshop (machine shop specialised in rectifying work on all kinds of engine, as well as a lab for injection parts repair & testing) & very able personnel - Carlos speaks little English. They organised the crane.
There is a good mechanical workshop in Arrecife - Lanzarote, right next to Shipchandler on the fishermen quayside. Worth to check as they deal with fishermen boats.

I will keep you posted on progress & result of repairs

However I woul recommend that before resorting to removal of engine, you keep an eye on the density of the oïl (smell of diesel, liquid lube oïl), and if oïl pressures keeps dropping go thru the Perkins fault finding list trying to eliminate the causes one by one. The lift pump access is easy to remove & to check; Injection pump on the 4.154 was not easy to remove on engine in position. Oil pump, bearings, injection pump are  definetly a 'lift off' operation (last resort as your engine is very Young running).

Fair Wind 

christian alby - desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - Santa Cruz de     Tenerife


Le ‎lundi‎ ‎6‎ ‎novembre‎ ‎2017‎ ‎10‎:‎06‎:‎48‎ ‎CET, 'smilesbernard@...' smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :


 

Hi there Christian

I am new to Amel ownership
I have a maramu #162 with a perkins M65 700 series from 2000 ish
In terms of engine removal - does the cockpit hard top come off to allow the engine to be lifted? 

Also as my boat is in the canaries too (lanzarote currently but soon to move to anagas) any info about good mechanics or riggers in the area would be very helpful.

From your last post  - you now suspect the fuel lift pump seal- is that correct? If so i will rder a spare seal for my lift pump

All the very best with the engine rebuild

Miles
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

christian alby
 

Good day to you
we took the engine out without removing the cockpit hardtop
we even kept the helmsman seat in position (old fashion from Amel - no backrest); 
we removed the mainsheet winch from its support on the mizzen mast.
we removed one stay on mizzen & backstay on main mast to allow for the crane boom to extend straight over the engine.
and removed all attachments to the engine (inverter, alternators, pumps, cooling, filters) to allow for ease of lifting with hydraulic crane.
We kept the engine on its support frame as one bolt holding on engine mounts was corroded to a point where we thought it might have to be cut out.

measured dimensions & checked that we had ample space to come out without removing the cockpit cover.
the M65 engine being new generation is smaller than the old 4.154 (lgth 1.25 M), so no problem to remove the engine. 

two soft slings on engine lifting point with shackles; 2 leader lines to hold & guide. Came out easy as pie (very able crane operator).
lift was about 280 Kgs at 9 M from centerline of crane - Crane capacity was 3 Tons with boom extension reaching at 14 M
Note : marina Atlantico in Lanzarote has got a pontoon down by the ferry terminal which allows for the boat to be moved alongside for ease of operations.

The mechanical workshop I use is SC motores diesel 0034922646755 Ask for Carlos, they have a very well outfitetd workshop (machine shop specialised in rectifying work on all kinds of engine, as well as a lab for injection parts repair & testing) & very able personnel - Carlos speaks little English. They organised the crane.
There is a good mechanical workshop in Arrecife - Lanzarote, right next to Shipchandler on the fishermen quayside. Worth to check as they deal with fishermen boats.

I will keep you posted on progress & result of repairs

However I woul recommend that before resorting to removal of engine, you keep an eye on the density of the oïl (smell of diesel, liquid lube oïl), and if oïl pressures keeps dropping go thru the Perkins fault finding list trying to eliminate the causes one by one. The lift pump access is easy to remove & to check; Injection pump on the 4.154 was not easy to remove on engine in position. Oil pump, bearings, injection pump are  definetly a 'lift off' operation (last resort as your engine is very Young running).

Fair Wind 

christian alby - desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - Santa Cruz de     Tenerife


Le ‎lundi‎ ‎6‎ ‎novembre‎ ‎2017‎ ‎10‎:‎06‎:‎48‎ ‎CET, 'smilesbernard@...' smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :


 

Hi there Christian

I am new to Amel ownership
I have a maramu #162 with a perkins M65 700 series from 2000 ish
In terms of engine removal - does the cockpit hard top come off to allow the engine to be lifted? 

Also as my boat is in the canaries too (lanzarote currently but soon to move to anagas) any info about good mechanics or riggers in the area would be very helpful.

From your last post  - you now suspect the fuel lift pump seal- is that correct? If so i will rder a spare seal for my lift pump

All the very best with the engine rebuild

Miles
 

Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

smiles bernard
 

Hi there Christian

I am new to Amel ownership
I have a maramu #162 with a perkins M65 700 series from 2000 ish
In terms of engine removal - does the cockpit hard top come off to allow the engine to be lifted? 

Also as my boat is in the canaries too (lanzarote currently but soon to move to anagas) any info about good mechanics or riggers in the area would be very helpful.

From your last post  - you now suspect the fuel lift pump seal- is that correct? If so i will rder a spare seal for my lift pump

All the very best with the engine rebuild

Miles
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Replacing AMFA Fresh Water System by Jabsco

greatketch@...
 

I use a parallel pair of Marco UPE2 gear pumps as my freshwater pump.  They are much more robustly built that the other alternatives to the Amel original pump I have seen, but of course you pay for that. I have a fair amount of experience with Whale, Jabsco, and other diaphragm pumps and most of it has been not good. We have had the Marcos in service for a year of full time service and are very happy.


The pressure is listed as "29 PSI" and that is a maximum.  We see pressures of 25psi in real world use.  That seems low, but with good fittings (especially shower heads) it is more than satisfactory.  The flow volume is more than we can use with two users fully open.  Having two pumps in parallel means I have a built-in installed spare in case of problems.  

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
LMC, Fort Lauderdale, FL






Re: Dish washer/washer dryer

greatketch@...
 

Jut one more data point:

On our boat the dishwasher was removed to make room for more storage a long time ago. We do not miss it.  We use way less water washing by hand, and do not find that to be a burden.

The clothes washer we use when we are away from the dock for extended periods (which is common).  If we know we are going to be tied to shore with access to commercial laundry facilities, we might save up laundry to do there.  On our Amel we have never done laundry by hand.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL