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Re: phased electronics replacement

greatketch@...
 

The AC42 is the B&G autopilot computer, not a navigation computer.

Our primary charts are on the Zeus, where we have Navionics charts.  We do have a second set of charts as a back up--all on paper.

Bill Kinney
Sm160, Harmonie
On the hard at LMC,
Fort Lauderdale, FL



---In amelyachtowners@..., <dominique_guenot@...> wrote :

Hello Bill, 

Thank you for all these information and the schematic.

I see you have a computer AC42 at the navigation table. 
What are you using it for?  
Are you plotting your route on it or on the Zeus at the Helm or both? 
Do you have 1 set of charts or 2 different sets of charts? 

Thank you in advance

Dominique
s/v Viva currently in Fiji  


Re: Duo 60 Desallator pressure problem

greatketch@...
 

Duane,

There is a mechanical, adjustable back pressure valve on the brine output.  That is controlled by the knob on the panel.  

While the logic board does monitor the pressure, but it has no control over it.  All it does is shut down power to the pump if the pressure is too high.

The most likely causes are on the pump side with water supply, check valves, or motor speed.  A bad back pressure valve COULD cause pressure problems, but I doubt very much they would vary with time.  Those valves are very simple.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
On the hard at LMC,
Fort Lauderdale, FL


Re: C Drive - service kit 400EUR???

greatketch@...
 


LO,

Something sounds very strange...  I don't remember exactly, it's been a year since I last ordered these for our Super Maramu, but a price of less than 150 euros seems more in line with what I remember for the propshaft bushing, three lip seals and one o-ring.

The lip seals and o-ring are standard industrial parts.  The bronze wear bushing is an Amel specific part.

The specified replacement interval for the bushing and seals is 800 engine hours.  Most people replace them about every two years, at the normal haulout interval.  

I just replaced mine today, almost exactly 2 years after the last time they were changed.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
On the hard at LMC
Fort Lauderdale, FL



---In amelyachtowners@..., <santorinlo18@...> wrote :

Hi Group, trying to service the C drive while the boat is winterised now, got a price indication from Amel of around 400EUR for service kit including some o rings and seal. 

Questions are - 

Any alternative for this?

Every how long these need to be replaced?

Does this price makes sense? 

Thanks in advance for your advice.

LO


Re: C Drive - service kit 400EUR???

Ian Park
 

In short
No, you do need the wearing out bearing - it costs!
Yes you can get the seals and o ring elsewhere + they are standard sizes.
Usually every 2 years. Keep an eye on the oil header tank in the engine room. AMEL call it ‘mayonnaise’ which is the colour sea water mixed with oil goes. It also depends on miles done under engine as this creates the wear on the seals and bearing. But note that using the shaft alternator on the Santorin also creates wear!
There are very good explanations on the Yahoo site of how to do the job, and Alexandre (Nikimat) posted some excellent photos of the process.

Best advice if like me you aren’t of an engineering background is to have someone do the job who has the AMEL experience and watch and learn. i had mine done at AMEL Martinique and reckon I can do it myself now?

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

PS
Best to sign of with name, boat name and hull number. Protocol on this user group.....


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Duo 60 Desallator pressure problem

hanspeter baettig
 

Ok Duane
I got you reply right now. As I understand you modifeyd  yourself the Dessalator System ? New Pully on the 24 V ??
If so don't ask Dessalator for help
Kr Hanspeter

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 10.11.2017 um 22:50 schrieb sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

It's on the 24V motor.  I had too many problems with the "bendix" bearings on the original pulleys, so I removed them from the motors.  I replaced them with one solid pulley on one motor, and I chose the 24V motor because it fit my needs better.  It also fits the 230V motor so I can switch to it if necessary (e.g., if the 24V motor dies).


I doubt very seriously it has anything to do with the motor.  The motor is single speed and runs evenly whether the pressure is being maintained or is being erratic.  The belt is not slipping during the erratic pressure episode and there is no unusual noise from the motor and high pressure pump.  You can see all of this in the video I posted the link to in the original post.

Thanks for your thoughts,
Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Duo 60 Desallator pressure problem

hanspeter baettig
 

Ok DuaneI watched your video 😉
you run it on 24 V via the batteries with the Geni on or with the Geni on with 220 V ?
Drop of voltage ? if running on the batteries even with Geni on.
This is quit normal that the pressure gauge change a littel bit . I saw you operating the pressure knob quit with power. Should not be like that. Normaly you can regulate this terminal smouthly. Ask Dessalator for suggestions. This has nothing to do with the  PCB in the electronic control box in the cockpit port locker. The sound of the low pressure pump is ok.
If I use my brand new Dessalator Duo 100 I'm stand by for 1 hour on the boat. 
kr 
Hanspeter



Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 10.11.2017 um 19:10 schrieb sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

I'm having an issue with the watermaker where the pressure becomes erratic after running normally for 15 to 90 minutes.  You could watch a video of the pressure dial here:  https://www.dropbox.com/sh/63wu632zckpu9u1/AAB2tVJwzWvCiczr2W_oWvoza?dl=0


First I'm wondering if anyone else has had this trouble?


The things I've done to try to solve the problem include: replacing the prefilter, cleaning the seachest, checking seawater supply by disconnecting the hose from the watermaker into a bucket, checking connections in case it was sucking air on the supply side.  None of these indicated a problem.


Since the pump motors are constant speed motors, the pressure must be regulated by a "dump valve" on the back of the control panel, which is what the pressure di al must be adjusting.  So the brine line is attached to the dump valve, and it regulates how much pressure is relieved to the waste line which controls the pressure in the membranes.  Has anyone had to replace this valve?  I would expect all the other Desallators operate in a similar fashion.


The other possibility that has occurred to me is there must be a logic board involved to monitor the pressure and will perform an auto shut down (opens the dump valve) if the pressure goes too high or too low.  It seems logical that the logic board could fail in a way that it sends erratic signals to the dump valve.  Anyone have trouble with that?


I don't have an idea on how to test either of these, or if my understanding of how the system operates is even true.  Any information would be appreciated.  


Does anybody have any other possibilities I could look into?  

 

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: leech length on mizzen ballooner on 54

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Duo 60 Desallator pressure problem

hanspeter baettig
 

Hello Duane
why you don't ask Dessalator in Antibes ;they have an excellen engineer who developed the  system together with the Wagner familie.
 Technical and Sales Departments,
Contact: contact@...
Tel +33 (0) 4 93 95 04 55

And yes they speaks englisch. And also the person who will mostly take you call is an expert. I 'dont understand often people ask the forum without get the right answere if even get a reply of their inquirey.
The same with Amel question. Amel has the best "After Sales Support, sav@... in the yachting business!! "  Yes , its not for free, but I like to spent some $ to get the right answer. (and only the right answer) !!
Best regards
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
SM 16
Gibraltar

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 10.11.2017 um 19:10 schrieb sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

I'm having an issue with the watermaker where the pressure becomes erratic after running normally for 15 to 90 minutes.  You could watch a video of the pressure dial here:  https://www.dropbox.com/sh/63wu632zckpu9u1/AAB2tVJwzWvCiczr2W_oWvoza?dl=0


First I'm wondering if anyone else has had this trouble?


The things I've done to try to solve the problem include: replacing the prefilter, cleaning the seachest, checking seawater supply by disconnecting the hose from the watermaker into a bucket, checking connections in case it was sucking air on the supply side.  None of these indicated a problem.


Since the pump motors are constant speed motors, the pressure must be regulated by a "dump valve" on the back of the control panel, which is what the pressure di al must be adjusting.  So the brine line is attached to the dump valve, and it regulates how much pressure is relieved to the waste line which controls the pressure in the membranes.  Has anyone had to replace this valve?  I would expect all the other Desallators operate in a similar fashion.


The other possibility that has occurred to me is there must be a logic board involved to monitor the pressure and will perform an auto shut down (opens the dump valve) if the pressure goes too high or too low.  It seems logical that the logic board could fail in a way that it sends erratic signals to the dump valve.  Anyone have trouble with that?


I don't have an idea on how to test either of these, or if my understanding of how the system operates is even true.  Any information would be appreciated.  


Does anybody have any other possibilities I could look into?  

 

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


C Drive - service kit 400EUR???

Santorin LO
 

Hi Group, trying to service the C drive while the boat is winterised now, got a price indication from Amel of around 400EUR for service kit including some o rings and seal. 

Questions are - 

Any alternative for this?

Every how long these need to be replaced?

Does this price makes sense? 

Thanks in advance for your advice.

LO


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Duo 60 Desallator pressure problem

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi,

We had the same when driving with the 24 volt. Caused by the sprag bearing/clutch in the pulley that allows it to free wheel when the 220 volt motor is being used. The drive in the clutch was beginning to fail. It was associated with some abnormal noise too. This bearing is pressed into the pulley.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 11 November 2017 at 09:02 "webercardio webercardio@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Same problem running the watermaker on 24 voltage and 220 Volt?





-------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
Von: "sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Datum: 10.11.17 19:10 (GMT+01:00)
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: [Amel Yacht Owners] Duo 60 Desallator pressure problem

 

 

I'm having an issue with the watermaker where the pressure becomes erratic after running normally for 15 to 90 minutes.  You could watch a video of the pressure dial here:  https://www.dropbox.com/sh/63wu632zckpu9u1/AAB2tVJwzWvCiczr2W_oWvoza?dl=0


First I'm wondering if anyone else has had this trouble?


The things I've done to try to solve the problem include: replacing the prefilter, cleaning the seachest, checking seawater supply by disconnecting the hose from the watermaker into a bucket, checking connections in case it was sucking air on the supply side.  None of these indicated a problem.


Since the pump motors are constant speed motors, the pressure must be regulated by a "dump valve" on the back of the control panel, which is what the pressure dial must be adjusting.  So the brine line is attached to the dump valve, and it regulates how much pressure is relieved to the waste line which controls the pressure in the membranes.  Has anyone had to replace this valve?  I would expect all the other Desallators operate in a similar fashion.


The other possibility that has occurred to me is there must be a logic board involved to monitor the pressure and will perform an auto shut down (opens the dump valve) if the pressure goes too high or too low.  It seems logical that the logic board could fail in a way that it sends erratic signals to the dump valve.  Anyone have trouble with that?


I don't have an idea on how to test either of these, or if my understanding of how the system operates is even true.  Any information would be appreciated.  


Does anybody have any other possibilities I could look into?  

 

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477

 

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Duo 60 Desallator pressure problem

Duane Siegfri
 

It's on the 24V motor.  I had too many problems with the "bendix" bearings on the original pulleys, so I removed them from the motors.  I replaced them with one solid pulley on one motor, and I chose the 24V motor because it fit my needs better.  It also fits the 230V motor so I can switch to it if necessary (e.g., if the 24V motor dies).

I doubt very seriously it has anything to do with the motor.  The motor is single speed and runs evenly whether the pressure is being maintained or is being erratic.  The belt is not slipping during the erratic pressure episode and there is no unusual noise from the motor and high pressure pump.  You can see all of this in the video I posted the link to in the original post.

Thanks for your thoughts,
Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Duo 60 Desallator pressure problem

webercardio <webercardio@...>
 

Same problem running the watermaker on 24 voltage and 220 Volt?





-------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
Von: "sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Datum: 10.11.17 19:10 (GMT+01:00)
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: [Amel Yacht Owners] Duo 60 Desallator pressure problem

 

I'm having an issue with the watermaker where the pressure becomes erratic after running normally for 15 to 90 minutes.  You could watch a video of the pressure dial here:  https://www.dropbox.com/sh/63wu632zckpu9u1/AAB2tVJwzWvCiczr2W_oWvoza?dl=0


First I'm wondering if anyone else has had this trouble?


The things I've done to try to solve the problem include: replacing the prefilter, cleaning the seachest, checking seawater supply by disconnecting the hose from the watermaker into a bucket, checking connections in case it was sucking air on the supply side.  None of these indicated a problem.


Since the pump motors are constant speed motors, the pressure must be regulated by a "dump valve" on the back of the control panel, which is what the pressure dial must be adjusting.  So the brine line is attached to the dump valve, and it regulates how much pressure is relieved to the waste line which controls the pressure in the membranes.  Has anyone had to replace this valve?  I would expect all the other Desallators operate in a similar fashion.


The other possibility that has occurred to me is there must be a logic board involved to monitor the pressure and will perform an auto shut down (opens the dump valve) if the pressure goes too high or too low.  It seems logical that the logic board could fail in a way that it sends erratic signals to the dump valve.  Anyone have trouble with that?


I don't have an idea on how to test either of these, or if my understanding of how the system operates is even true.  Any information would be appreciated.  


Does anybody have any other possibilities I could look into?  

 

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Duo 60 Desallator pressure problem

Duane Siegfri
 

I'm having an issue with the watermaker where the pressure becomes erratic after running normally for 15 to 90 minutes.  You could watch a video of the pressure dial here:  https://www.dropbox.com/sh/63wu632zckpu9u1/AAB2tVJwzWvCiczr2W_oWvoza?dl=0


First I'm wondering if anyone else has had this trouble?


The things I've done to try to solve the problem include: replacing the prefilter, cleaning the seachest, checking seawater supply by disconnecting the hose from the watermaker into a bucket, checking connections in case it was sucking air on the supply side.  None of these indicated a problem.


Since the pump motors are constant speed motors, the pressure must be regulated by a "dump valve" on the back of the control panel, which is what the pressure dial must be adjusting.  So the brine line is attached to the dump valve, and it regulates how much pressure is relieved to the waste line which controls the pressure in the membranes.  Has anyone had to replace this valve?  I would expect all the other Desallators operate in a similar fashion.


The other possibility that has occurred to me is there must be a logic board involved to monitor the pressure and will perform an auto shut down (opens the dump valve) if the pressure goes too high or too low.  It seems logical that the logic board could fail in a way that it sends erratic signals to the dump valve.  Anyone have trouble with that?


I don't have an idea on how to test either of these, or if my understanding of how the system operates is even true.  Any information would be appreciated.  


Does anybody have any other possibilities I could look into?  

 

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


prop shaft bonding

smiles bernard
 

Hi there

I own an 1985 amel maramu

Shes new to me and the previous owner fitted a new prop shaft and seal
Which isn't bonded
I'm looking for ideas to copy and assume i would bont this to the same circuit that connects the engine bilge keel bolt, anode etc

I'd be interested in the original setup for prop shaft bonding or thoughts on how best this might be done

All the very best and many thanks in advance

Miles


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: leech length on mizzen ballooner on 54

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

And, David, they are within 1/2 meter of being the same length on the mizzen ballooner sail.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: leech length on mizzen ballooner on 54

Dave_Benjamin
 

Bill,

When we sailmakers supply a sock (aka spinnaker sleeve), we base the length on the leech, not the luff. You want to be able to easily reach the clew and it's okay to have some of the sail protruding from the sock. 


---In amelyachtowners@..., <yahoogroups@...> wrote :

Jeff,

Wolfgang gave you the number. I mistakenly said leech when I should have said luff. Wolfgang has the luff at 11,65m. 12.0 meter is perfect for your sock.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 8:04 PM, webercardio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Jeff
the Mizzen ballooner is 12,6 meter x 11,65 meter x 6,0 meter.
I  have a " Black Box Bergeschlauch"  from  Quatumsails - length  11,8 m , paid 385 ,-€ .
The system works fine

Good sailing to all. 
Wolfgang Weber SY ELISE Amel 54 # 162 ( marina di Ragusa /Sicily )
next week in Florida




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Transmission through-hull maintenance

eamonn.washington@...
 

Hi

I guess the largest through-hull hole is the transmission down to the propeller.  Does it need any maintenance (excuse the ignorance), such as replacing the hull seals every X years or 're-greasing'?

Thanks
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
SM #151 in Cleopatra Marina, Greece



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Problems hooking up new Bamar EJF 1.0 to new Boxtron E14s Any help

Porter McRoberts
 

Bob,

Thank you very much for the thoughtful follow up.
i did get it sorted out.  Essentially doing what you suggested. 
The genoa-Foc switch at the helm runs through the thermal cut off switch in the motor.  This is quite different from the trinket: we simply bypassed the thermal cutoff.  
There is such minimal load there anyway.

They are working now: fast, quiet, and the biggest change: reliable.

Thanks again!

Porter


Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...







On Nov 9, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Bob Hodgins bobh@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Porter,
I am sorry for the delay in responding. I did replace my Boxtron 
controllers with the new E14, and I had to figure it out myself. I still 
have the older belt drive furlers that are working fine, so I can not be 
certain about the new furlers, but the E14 is likely the same. What I 
found by studying the wiring diagrams is that the original design of the 
switches at the helm, for turning on the Boxtron controllers, provides 
24 volt power to the Boxtron. The new E14 does not need power, you just 
need to make contact between two terminals. I am not currently on the 
boat, so I can not tell you the terminal numbers, but it should be 
apparent when you look at the box, or at the wiring diagram. I do 
remember that there are three terminals in the E14, the center one, and 
two adjacent ones. shorting (or connecting) the center to either side 
runs the unit one direction and the other. To solve the problem, I 
installed a small relay right inside the E14. (or maybe it was 2 relays) 
I had spares on board of the little relays that are used in the bow 
thruster up/down circuit. I connected the 24v power from the helm switch 
to close the relay, and connected the E14 terminals to the contacts of 
the relay. It was a simple fix and if you are using an experienced 
marine electrician he should of been able to sort that for you. I will 
be back aboard Gallivant next week, and could provide you with more 
detailed info if needed.
Bob Hodgins
Gallivant
Amel 54 #31



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furling Gearbox Differences

Jean Boucharlat
 

James,

 

There are entire libraries filled with heavy books, theses, knowledgeable opinions, about the respective merits of grease and oil.

You can spend the upcoming winter making up your mind if you have the courage to investigate thoroughly this particular issue.

Take the plunge, make your own decision about what fits your particular circumstances.

 

Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: vendredi 10 novembre 2017 05:29
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furling Gearbox Differences

 

 

What is the consensus of others, then, regarding using gear oil versus grease for the furlor and outhaul gearboxes?

Indeed, it would seem that gear oil would be the appropriate lubrication, but I look to those smarter than me… 

 

James

On Nov 9, 2017, at 10:47 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

If you are going to disassemble the gearbox, why not just fill it with SAE90 oil?

That will do a much better job of keeping the gears lubricated than grease.

Grease tends to get thrown off gears as they turn and doesn't stay where the gears are meshed, which is what you really want to lubricate.

Cheers

Alan 

Elyse SM437

On the hard, raising the waterline

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Help winterize Amel SM 2000 in US

Patrick McAneny
 

Oliver , The address is correct , but I recieved no email from you. Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Oliver Buhlert obuhlert@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Nov 10, 2017 2:47 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Help winterize Amel SM 2000 in US

 
Pat,

I wrote an e-mail to your privat account sailw32@..., is it the right address, did you get it?

Oliver
SV JoEmi
SM 2000 No. 397



Am 09.11.2017 um 22:56 schrieb Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 
Oliver, I live on the Sassafras River at the north end of the Bay. I just hauled my boat a few hours ago and will winterize it in the next few days. Is your water maker pickled ? Where is your boat located ? 
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: qmvwv3fna4dth3r32bdwtz3bpy7meopg2s2xlnuq@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Nov 9, 2017 2:20 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Help winterize Amel SM 2000 in US

 
Hello,

and thank you for the answers to find a high quality rope for our boat. 

We are looking for a very experienced AMEL SM 2000 owner or previous AMEL SM 2000 owner, who can help us to winterize our boat in the US, Chesapeake Bay. 
Actually it seams difficult for us to fly in from Europe.  We are in a Marina with a very good and experienced Boatyard, but like we all know, an AMEL owner knows the AMEL much better.

If someone could help us, or could recommend someone please contact us.

Oliver
SV JoEmi
SM 2000 No. 397