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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder drainage

James Alton
 

Graham,

   Joel and Bill have answered your question and I concur that my Maramu has a drain hole at the bottom of the rudder as well.  I would only add that on my Maramu that after hauling the boat, I fill and drain the inside of the rudder with fresh water a couple of times to try and remove most of the salt.  I am careful to insure that the air vent in the top of the rudder is open so that the rudder does not develop internal pressure from filling the rudder with freshwater.   My thoughts are that it is always best to remove salt where possible before storing a boat and thanks to the unique Amel rudder design this is one more place that can be rinsed.   I am curious if other Amel owners do this?

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Nov 17, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Graham Cresswell grahamjcresswell@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I've noticed that on each occasion recently that we have hauled our our
Maramu, water has drained from the bottom of the rudder for a few minutes. 

Is this a designed-in feature or do I have a problem?

Kind regards

Graham
SV Jamesby
Maramu #240



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder drainage

amelforme
 

Hello Graham. You have a problem if water does not come out of the rudder. Henri Amel was always thinking. Always. He noticed that, try as one may, rudders designed to keep water from penetrating into the core eventually failed to do so, resulting in the destruction of the rudder. So, he designed Amel rudders to invite the water inside and made them so that this was a good thing. The water adds weight/mass to the rudder to give it better “feel”. The hole in the bottom ( stick a Philips head screwdriver in the hole when you dive on the bottom to keep it open and flowing ) is there so water can migrate to prevent captive water from attacking the internal metal and welds as happens when it can’t flow in and out.

 

I love having unfamiliar surveyors/shipyards attend to an Amel I am selling in a new to me location. Yep, as soon as the boat comes out , the surveyor puffs up and declares the rudder junk while the shipyard guys rub their hands together in gleeful anticipation of a windfall repair. When I tell them this is normal, they treat me like a prevaricating used car salesman and say bad words about my lack of parents. All is well when I show them a drawing of the rudder with a short letter from Amel that I carry in my survey bag stating that the water draining out is normal…

 

It’s fun to see the reactions.

 

Have fun with your Amel, Joel

 

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

 

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Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:06 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder drainage

 

 

I've noticed that on each occasion recently that we have hauled our our
Maramu, water has drained from the bottom of the rudder for a few minutes. 

Is this a designed-in feature or do I have a problem?

Kind regards

Graham
SV Jamesby
Maramu #240


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Yanmar 100HP Fuel Pump maintenance-free?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Francisco,

Philosophically speaking, 4,000 hours is closer to half-life than full-term on your engine, but as you know, anything can happen, especially philosophically.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder drainage

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

It is designed that way...don't let any "expert yard guy" plug it or tell you differently.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Soraya,
​ et al​

It was a collaborative effort
​ and without you, it would have never been finished. Thank you so very much...you are GREAT. There is one more correction I see that is needed: "
hale bas de tangon
​" is the "
Pole aft line
​​."


Maybe we should tell every 54 owner that Amel accidentally left the 54 "pole up-guys" off of the official running rigging list. It might be because it appears to me that Amel rigged 3 different downwind pole configurations during the production of the 54.

Jeffery, Porter, & Courtney: You should download this
​Excel file
 from the Yahoo Amel Owners Group
​ (noting the change above)​
, or you can download it from Client Access at amelschool.com

​Best,​


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Nov 17, 2017 03:51, "SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Thanks to Bill R for validating the translations!


On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 at 12:39, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 

That’s very useful Thomas. Very Appreciated. 

Porter
Ibis-54-152


On Nov 15, 2017, at 5:01 AM, amelyachtowners@...m wrote:

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amelyachtowners
group.

File : /Running Rigging/Amel 54 Running Rigging.xlsx
Uploaded by : thomas_soraya <svgarulfo@...>
Description :

You can access this file at the URL:



To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
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Regards,

thomas_soraya <svgarulfo@...>



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind advice please

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Rudder drainage

Graham Cresswell <grahamjcresswell@...>
 

I've noticed that on each occasion recently that we have hauled our our
Maramu, water has drained from the bottom of the rudder for a few minutes. 

Is this a designed-in feature or do I have a problem?

Kind regards

Graham
SV Jamesby
Maramu #240


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Dish washer/washer dryer

Peter Rooms
 




Verzonden van Yahoo Mail voor iPhone

Op maandag, november 6, 2017, 14:40, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] schreef:

 

I started just washing dishes by hand, but have found the dishwasher to be very convenient and quick and use it much more often now.  The clothes washer is used all the time, but I dry clothes by hanging them up, not using the dryer function. 


Derick Gates
SM2K#400 Brava
Currently on the hard in Bailey's boatyard, Antigua


Upwind advice please

Porter McRoberts
 

Hello Amelians,

 

We are a 54 heading out likely Saturday or Sunday to cross the gulfstream to the Bahamas.  Forecast is 5-6ft waves period 6-7 sec on Sat. and 3-4 feet period 6-7 on Sunday.  Out of the Northeast to east.  With a dying breeze on Sunday.  Weather and seas essentially on the nose.

 

I write as we have sailed and motored quite a bit upwind over the summer.  It’s hard for me to estimate the exact size of oncoming waves, but the boat slams and it seems were taking green water over the nose with anything around 4 or up.  Unusual? 

 

The boat’s boot-stripe is about 3-4 inches above waterline on the nose, and 1 inch above water line at the aft.  I’ve tried to move as much weight forward, taking off the air compressor, moving dive-tanks to the port lazarette etc, but I can’t get the nose any lower than above.  (The Nance and Underwood riggers think were trim and just that the bootstripe has been painted in such upward fashion.)

 

My question to you guys is how comfortable is the 54 and SM going up weather- and most specifically into the waves?  How should I trim for the best trip?

 

Were crossing with some folks on a new Leopard 45.  (They want to cross Saturday) Who will have the rougher trip given the same (into the seas) conditions?

 

How would an angle from Palm Beach as opposed to Fort Lauderdale change things for a crossing towards the Berrys?  I’d see a shift to the beam for the waves- but current more on the nose.    Any thoughts?  

 

I know the boat will handle most anything, and I’ve sailed a good 5000 miles in the last 6 months, but a lot of downwind, and minimal upwind in heavier seas.  I’d be obliged to know your thoughts!

 

Many thanks—

 

Porter


Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...



Upwind advice please

Porter McRoberts
 

Hello Amelians,

 

We are a 54 heading out likely Saturday or Sunday to cross the gulfstream to the Bahamas.  Forecast is 5-6ft waves period 6-7 sec on Sat. and 3-4 feet period 6-7 on Sunday.  Out of the Northeast to east.  With a dying breeze on Sunday .  Weather and seas essentially on the nose.

 

I write as we have sailed and motored quite a bit upwind over the summer.  It’s hard for me to estimate the exact size of oncoming waves, but the boat slams and it seems were taking green water over the nose with anything around 4 or up.  Unusual?

 

The boat’s boot-stripe is about 3-4 inches above waterline on the nose, and 1 inch above water line at the aft.  I’ve tried to move as much weight forward, taking off the air compressor, moving dive-tanks to the port lazarette etc, but I can’t get the nose any lower than above.  (The Nance and Underwood riggers think were trim and just that the bootstrip has been painted in such upward fashion.)

 

My question to you guys is how comfortable is the 54 and SM going up weather- and most specifically into the waves?  How should I trim for the best trip?

 

Were crossing with some folks on a new Leopard 45.  (They want to cross Saturday) Who will have the rougher trip given the same (into the seas) conditions?

 

How would an angle from Palm Beach as opposed to Fort Lauderdale change things for a crossing towards the Berrys?  I’d see a shift to the beam for the waves- but current more on the nose.    Any thoughts? 

 

I know the boat will handle most anything, and I’ve sailed a good 5000 miles in the last 6 months, but a lot of downwind, and minimal upwind in heavier seas.  I’d be obliged to know your thoughts!

 

Many thanks—

 

Porter


Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...








Re: Sharki emergency tiller.

smiles bernard
 

hi there

the two photos show the 2 sections really well and how they fit together but i was wondering if it would be possible to get a photo of the part that actually connects to the rudder post? 

I'd be really interested to see how this works

Many  thanks
Miles
 


Re: Replacing AMFA Fresh Water System by Jabsco

Duane Siegfri
 

Bill,

I'm wondering if you had to do anything special to put two of the Marco UP2/E pumps in parallel?  The reason I ask is the control unit, will both pumps run correctly when in parallel but with separate control units?

Thanks,
Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

Sv Garulfo
 

Thanks to Bill R for validating the translations!


On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 at 12:39, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

That’s very useful Thomas. Very Appreciated. 

Porter
Ibis-54-152


On Nov 15, 2017, at 5:01 AM, amelyachtowners@... wrote:

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amelyachtowners
group.

File : /Running Rigging/Amel 54 Running Rigging.xlsx
Uploaded by : thomas_soraya <svgarulfo@...>
Description :

You can access this file at the URL:



To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398

Regards,

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Re: Yanmar 100HP Fuel Pump maintenance-free?

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Hello Bill and Craig,

Yes, the question is about the fuel injection pump.  On the Yanmar, it is a ZEXEL NP - VE - 4 / 12 F 1900 R NP1995.

Craig, interesting that you had the pump rebuilt at 4,000 hrs... we are not there yet, and at our current average, will reach 4,000 hrs in about 2 years.  Just like you had the pump rebuilt at engine overhaul time, the Yanmar manual seems to implicate that the pump is to be overhauled at the same time as the engine itself...

... so along these lines... is 4,000 hrs perhaps the horizon for an engine overhaul on an Amel... ???

Yeah, kind of a philosophical question!

Best,

Peregrinus
SM2K N. 350 (2002)


Re: Yanmar 100HP Fuel Pump maintenance-free?

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Francesco,

I think you may be asking more of a philosophy question than an engine maintenance one :-)  

Then again, nothing is maintenance-free forever. There are some signs of overhaul being needed, though. My Perkins developed an unstable rpm at about 4000 hours and I had the pump rebuilt, since I was rebuilding the rest of the engine myself anyway. (The injection pump is not a DIY job.) The shop reported that there was a good deal of internal corrosion from water having entered the system (a prior owner, I sure) and it would likely soon have resulted in a run-away situation with a failed governor. 

I'm now up to 7500 hours and it seems fine. With the pristine way you keep Peregrinus I would assert you're nowhere near a (costly) overhaul of the pump,

Cheers,  Craig SN#68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <svperegrinus@...> wrote :

Hello,


Looking at the Yanmar "Operation Manual", there is no mention of maintenance of the fuel pump, nor of any maintenance adjustment.


In the "Periodic Checking List" page of the Yanmar "Service Manual", there is no mention of maintenance of the fuel pump, nor of any maintenance adjustment.


However, in the Yanmar "Service Manual", there is a section called "Overhaul", and it says the fuel pump should be sent to a ZEXEL (the manufacturer of the pump) service center, and there are several pages of parameters and maintenance items for the fuel pump.


So, it seems the fuel pump is a maintenance-free item, except when you overhaul the engine.  Is this correct?  Is there any preventive maintenance for it, or is this a sort of a live and let die kind of component?


Thanks in advance,


Peregrinus

3,400 hours on 4JH3-HTE engine

Fethiye, ancient Telmessos, Asia Minor


Re: Yanmar 100HP Fuel Pump maintenance-free?

greatketch@...
 

We you say "fuel pump" are you referring to the lift pump or the injection pump?


Re: Iridium Go

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Re Porter's scale.

I have the Iridium external marine antenna installation (2015).  The antenna is located aft, port side, where Amel used to install the GPS antenna.  My findings:
Iridium Go at the Nav station with native antenna: 3/10 in connectivity 
Iridium Go at the nav station hooked to Iridium antenna with adaptor: 8-9/10
Iridium Go with native antenna under bimini with flexible solar panels: 6/10
Iridium Go with native antenna on side deck, handheld: 8-9/10

S/V Peregrinus
SM2K-350 Telmessos, Asia Minor (Fethiye)


---In amelyachtowners@..., <portermcroberts@...> wrote :

Re the antenna. 
I have exactly your setup. 
Installed, older iridium phone, and New iridium go with adaptor.  My findings:
Iridium Go at the Nav station with native antenna: 3/10 in connectivity 
Iridium Go at the nav station hooked to phone antenna with adaptor: 5/10
Iridium go with native antenna outside: 8-9/10 in connectivity. 

The ratings are my subjective opinions based on now a good bit of use.

Take home message: the older sat phone antenna is convenient, but not as effective as I’d like and often frustrating.  I’ll probably buy the dedicated Go antenna. 

I’d love to know if this mirrors your findings as I know of no way to actually test the older antenna to see if it’s “good” 

Best of Luck!

Porter
S/V IBIS. 54-152 Fort Lauderdale. 


Yanmar 100HP Fuel Pump maintenance-free?

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Hello,


Looking at the Yanmar "Operation Manual", there is no mention of maintenance of the fuel pump, nor of any maintenance adjustment.


In the "Periodic Checking List" page of the Yanmar "Service Manual", there is no mention of maintenance of the fuel pump, nor of any maintenance adjustment.


However, in the Yanmar "Service Manual", there is a section called "Overhaul", and it says the fuel pump should be sent to a ZEXEL (the manufacturer of the pump) service center, and there are several pages of parameters and maintenance items for the fuel pump.


So, it seems the fuel pump is a maintenance-free item, except when you overhaul the engine.  Is this correct?  Is there any preventive maintenance for it, or is this a sort of a live and let die kind of component?


Thanks in advance,


Peregrinus

3,400 hours on 4JH3-HTE engine

Fethiye, ancient Telmessos, Asia Minor


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Santa Marta

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Iridium Go

eric freedman