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Re: prop shaft bonding

j.lochhead@...
 

Hi,

We replaced our SS prop shaft due to corrosion.  It was not bonded.  I think the original shaft was bronze (we still have it as a spare).   We discovered the corrosion when we pulled the shaft to replace the cutlass bearing. 

If you have a SS shaft with no anode I suggest you pull the shaft to inspect.

 We just added an anode to the end of the new shaft we had made.


Re: Alarm Sound

Dean Gillies
 

Not much of a clear response from the marina. Getting on a flight to Greece tonight.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover

Patrick McAneny
 

Alex, Keep me posted on the cover , being in water should not have hurt it much. Sorry your insurance co. is making things worse for you , as though lack of maintenance would have been a contributing factor in face of 200 mile winds. 
Good Luck,
Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Tue, Nov 21, 2017 4:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover

 
Hello Pat,

Been so busy I haven’t read many of the forum message for the last 9 days.
But just read this one out of the blue.

I don’t think I removed it from the vessel.
I think know where it is (in the life raft storage).
Once the vessel is raised (2 weeks?) I will remove it and see if it is ok.

But I did save the cockpit extension.

General information, as it might take me another week to have time to read the forum message. So if meanwhile you need to contact me, please email me directly to uster@...

I just spent 55 hours searching and organizing all the invoices I could found on the maintenance I did for the last 5 years.
My lawyers are pretty happy with the work (I don’t think the insurance will be).
I still have a lot to do this week.
Then will be back making the inventory.

When things calm down, I will give a full detail report on the forum.
Many of you will be VERY surprised and people insured through De Lassee should search for other insurances.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 11/21/17, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, November 21, 2017, 2:53 PM


 









Alex, Do
you have the vinyl helm cover for sale. My wife threw ours
away a couple years ago, can't tell you why , neither
can she. I was hoping to find one to borrow and use as a
template. I hope things are getting much better for you
,you've been thru Hell .
Thanks, 

Pat

SM Shenanigans






-----Original
Message-----

From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

To: amelyachtowners
<amelyachtowners@...>

Sent: Mon, Nov 20, 2017 6:28 am

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor switch / joystick








 













Yes I do!


I also have lots of parts for electric toilet (3 motors,
many valve/seal kits, etc.)


Engine room fan, cabin fan, etc.


Navigation lights, anchor/tri color


air conditioning capacitor and calpeda rebuilt kit


Freezer/fridge thermostat, fan, et.c


Main & Mizzen preventer


2 sets of ballooner lines (red, blue & yellow)


Balloner sheet


3 sails


etc.


Alexandre





--------------------------------------------


On Sun, 11/19/17, pjn.mccallin@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:





Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor switch / joystick


To: amelyachtowners@...


Date: Sunday, November 19, 2017, 4:04 PM








 





























Alexandre, have just changed my yahoo email


setting, hence your problem.


Can you advise me if you still have


the rudder spares the nut and packing, also the


spanner?


If so will


liaise delivery with George.





























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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Pat,

Been so busy I haven’t read many of the forum message for the last 9 days.
But just read this one out of the blue.

I don’t think I removed it from the vessel.
I think know where it is (in the life raft storage).
Once the vessel is raised (2 weeks?) I will remove it and see if it is ok.

But I did save the cockpit extension.

General information, as it might take me another week to have time to read the forum message. So if meanwhile you need to contact me, please email me directly to uster@rocketmail.com

I just spent 55 hours searching and organizing all the invoices I could found on the maintenance I did for the last 5 years.
My lawyers are pretty happy with the work (I don’t think the insurance will be).
I still have a lot to do this week.
Then will be back making the inventory.

When things calm down, I will give a full detail report on the forum.
Many of you will be VERY surprised and people insured through De Lassee should search for other insurances.

Sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 11/21/17, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@aol.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 21, 2017, 2:53 PM


 









Alex, Do
you have the vinyl helm cover for sale. My wife threw ours
away a couple years ago, can't tell you why , neither
can she. I was hoping to find one to borrow and use as a
template. I hope things are getting much better for you
,you've been thru Hell .
Thanks, 

Pat

SM Shenanigans






-----Original
Message-----

From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

To: amelyachtowners
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Mon, Nov 20, 2017 6:28 am

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor switch / joystick








 













Yes I do!


I also have lots of parts for electric toilet (3 motors,
many valve/seal kits, etc.)


Engine room fan, cabin fan, etc.


Navigation lights, anchor/tri color


air conditioning capacitor and calpeda rebuilt kit


Freezer/fridge thermostat, fan, et.c


Main & Mizzen preventer


2 sets of ballooner lines (red, blue & yellow)


Balloner sheet


3 sails


etc.


Alexandre





--------------------------------------------


On Sun, 11/19/17, pjn.mccallin@gmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:





Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor switch / joystick


To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com


Date: Sunday, November 19, 2017, 4:04 PM








 





























Alexandre, have just changed my yahoo email


setting, hence your problem.


Can you advise me if you still have


the rudder spares the nut and packing, also the


spanner?


If so will


liaise delivery with George.





























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Helm cover

Patrick McAneny
 

Alex, Do you have the vinyl helm cover for sale. My wife threw ours away a couple years ago, can't tell you why , neither can she. I was hoping to find one to borrow and use as a template. I hope things are getting much better for you ,you've been thru Hell .
Thanks, 
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Mon, Nov 20, 2017 6:28 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor switch / joystick

 
Yes I do!
I also have lots of parts for electric toilet (3 motors, many valve/seal kits, etc.)
Engine room fan, cabin fan, etc.
Navigation lights, anchor/tri color
air conditioning capacitor and calpeda rebuilt kit
Freezer/fridge thermostat, fan, et.c
Main & Mizzen preventer
2 sets of ballooner lines (red, blue & yellow)
Balloner sheet
3 sails
etc.
Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 11/19/17, pjn.mccallin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor switch / joystick
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, November 19, 2017, 4:04 PM


 









Alexandre, have just changed my yahoo email
setting, hence your problem.
Can you advise me if you still have
the rudder spares the nut and packing, also the
spanner?
If so will
liaise delivery with George.









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Predict Wind

Courtney Gorman
 

thanks Mark
Cheers
Courtney
54 Trippin'


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Garver mgarver@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Tue, Nov 21, 2017 12:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Predict Wind

 

Courtney,

I use the standard version and get most everything I need. Other data I simply get from others, etc. If I'm going someplace unfamiliar and need extra information I request a forecast for current and route planning from Chris Parker mwxc.com. 

I also use my PredictWind with my Iridium GO! which has worked great for me.

Best,

Mark
S/V It's Good
Amel Super Maramu #105

On Nov 20, 2017, at 09:58 AM, "Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

For those of you who use Predictwind would you mind telling which version you chose and why?  Right now I am trying to decide between Standard and Pro and am not sure if there are enough advantages to get the Pro.  All advice is appreciated.
Thanks
Courtney
54 Trippin'
Brunswick





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 Corrosion

greatketch@...
 

I'll second Bill R's comments.  When we bought our boat it was 20 years old, had circumnavigated twice.  It was as close to pristine as could be asked for.  

Things were just clean and well cared for everywhere.  Any leaks that might have caused corrosion were fixed and cleaned up before the problem got out of hand.

Some things even the best maintenance can not put off forever (the sun is pretty tough on things!)  but what you describe on a relatively new boat is just a boat that is not well loved.

If you have the chance to look at a number of different boats, you'll get a better feel for what kind of things are unavoidable wear and tear, and what points to an owner who wasn't as careful as they could be.

Bill Kinney
SM160,  Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Predict Wind

greatketch@...
 

For us it depends on the density of towers on shore.  With iPhones and verizon when approaching an urban area we normally see our first signals 10 to 15 miles offshore.  But not always able to count on it.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
For Lauderdale, FL


Re: Anchor chain channel liner

greatketch@...
 

Our boat (significantly earlier in production sequence) has the very front edge of the channel near the rollerprotected with stainless steel screwed into the fiberglass.  And another small piece nearer the windlass where the links would impact the channel.

We are replacing them with a single piece of stainless that covers the whole channel.

Bill Kinney
Sm160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL

---In amelyachtowners@..., <no_reply@...> wrote :

I own L'ORIENT, SM2K #422; as the anchor chain exits the boat, underneath the chain forward of the windlass is some kind of heavy duty paper liner intended to protect the gelcoat/fiberglass underneath in the channel. Mine has worn badly........replacing this would be straightforward if I only knew what it was. Kind of looks like a heavy duty non-skid paper of some kind. Thoughts ?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Predict Wind

Mark Garver
 


Courtney,

I use the standard version and get most everything I need. Other data I simply get from others, etc. If I'm going someplace unfamiliar and need extra information I request a forecast for current and route planning from Chris Parker mwxc.com. 

I also use my PredictWind with my Iridium GO! which has worked great for me.

Best,

Mark
S/V It's Good
Amel Super Maramu #105

On Nov 20, 2017, at 09:58 AM, "Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


For those of you who use Predictwind would you mind telling which version you chose and why?  Right now I am trying to decide between Standard and Pro and am not sure if there are enough advantages to get the Pro.  All advice is appreciated.

Thanks
Courtney
54 Trippin'
Brunswick





Anchor chain channel liner

thomas.kleman <no_reply@...>
 

I own L'ORIENT, SM2K #422; as the anchor chain exits the boat, underneath the chain forward of the windlass is some kind of heavy duty paper liner intended to protect the gelcoat/fiberglass underneath in the channel. Mine has worn badly........replacing this would be straightforward if I only knew what it was. Kind of looks like a heavy duty non-skid paper of some kind. Thoughts ?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Predict Wind

Craig Briggs
 


Chuck,
Just came down a few weeks ago from Cape Fear to Ft. Pierce - got spotty unusable signals about 12 miles offshore of Canaveral. 4G didn't kick in reliably until about 5 miles off as we closed on Ft. Pierce. Using T-Mobile.
Cheers, Craig SN#68

---In amelyachtowners@..., <clacey9@...> wrote :

Hi All,
Any consensus on average cell tower range while sailing off the coast of Florida. I'm going on a short trip North and was wondering if I could get a Predictwind update en route. Not critical just wondering.

Thx,
Chuck
s/v Joy 
SM388

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I'm using the standard version and it has served me well. When you are offshore, you will have very slow data download and subsequently you will automatically try to limit the information that you receive to the necessary minimum.
Alex
NO STRESS
AMEL54 # 15


On Monday, November 20, 2017, 11:55:36 AM GMT-4, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:


 

Perfect Thanks Kent!


-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 20, 2017 10:41 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Predict Wind

 
I use the Standard version.  If I were racing, I'd use the Pro version.  It would be nice to see the currents, but certainly not necessary.  Predict wind has free Gulf Stream information that I look at before sailing on the east coast of the US.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker and hawse pipe deterioration

Craig Briggs
 

Thanks again, James,
Interestingly, the original construction was not fiberglassed plywood. It was just plywood with fiberglass tabbing around the edges to the hull and then finished on top with gelcoat over both the tabbing and the unfinished plywood. The underside was not finished. 

I should think a thickness of about 3/8" would be sufficient since the width being spanned runs from 2-3 inches to only about 16" maximum.  If I'm not mistaken 3/8 plywood is only about 1 pound per square foot, say roughly 36 pounds for a full 4' X 8' sheet (I think that's the 36 lbs you noted).  In any event there's only about 20 square feet total, so the total weight will only be 25 to 30 pounds - and similar to what I removed. Plus all our stern-heavy Amels need some extra weight up front, anyway :-)  

Regarding the hawse pipe support, I was able to retain the original fiberglass support structures (fillets) on the underside of the deck and on the floor by cutting and peeling out the pipe in small pieces.  This will give excellent support to the new pipe akin to the original.

Cheers, Craig


---In amelyachtowners@..., <lokiyawl2@...> wrote :

Craig,

   Solid fiberglass weighs in around 96 lbs. per square foot versus for instance fir plywood at 36 lbs. per square foot so it is likely that you will add some weight by going with all fibreglass panels to reach the desired stiffness but that would certainly solve the rot concerns permanently.  There are bulking fabrics such as fab matt to build thickness with less weight but I have seen so many failures with those products that I would avoid them myself.  I would think that you could reach the desired stiffness with a total panel thickness that was  thinner than the wood plus fibreglass original so the weight increase should not be as much 3X.  You could add solid fibreglass ribs to the bottom of your panels get the desired stiffness with a lighter weight as compared to a plain panel and I don’t think the ribs would interfere in anyway.  If the panels in my boat rot out at some point, I would certainly consider a similar solution since the anchor locker is going to be a tough place for wood due to the ongoing humidity and dampness.  

    Your idea of using the conduit is interesting as it would never corrode.  I wonder if it would be strong enough by itself and how to secure the ends so that it could never move?  Some kind of a plastic replaceable liner inside of a heavy fibreglass pipe glassed at both ends sounds interesting and permanent.

Best,

James
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220


On Nov 20, 2017, at 4:25 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thanks, James, for your good input.  


I'm thinking of using Heavy Wall Schedule 80 PVC electrical conduit for the new hawse pipe - easy to work with and should last longer than I. 
May just lay up fiberglass panels for the bottoms.

Craig SN#68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <lokiyawl2@...> wrote :

Craig,

   Good information.  Just note that plywood panels can definitely rot out if glassed on the top and bottom.  Just think of all of the rotten plywood core decks,  transoms in power boats etc.  If you can however exclude the water from the wood completely or keep the moisture content of the wood below a critical level it will never rot.  Epoxy resin will do a better job of excluding moisture than polyester.  The edge of the plywood panel where the end grain of the wood is needs to be very well sealed since moisture will travel the fastest through the end grain.  Any holes in the panel need to have a ring of epoxy around the hole to prevent any moisture entering the panel, caulking isn’t enough IMO.  A Marine plywood panel should have a waterproof glue but you can buy panels that vary greatly in durability based on the wood species selected.   Wood boats can last a very long time  (one boat that I maintain is 109 years old and the planking is almost all original and solid)  even though they remain wet for most of there lives.  Using durable woods and providing good ventilation are the key points.  For the bow lockers I would suggest selecting a species in the “durable” category such as Fir or Sapele.  Be sure that the panel is solid core with no voids and that the inner plys are of the same species/durability rating.   If the locker contains air that is saturated (near or at 100% humidity due to a lack of venting and water being in the locker) any exposed wood will tend to take on moisture and cannot ever dry.  Opening the locker lids on a nice day or providing some kind of ventilation can help lower the humidity levels in the lockers and thereby extend the life of the original or replacement panels.   

    Thanks for the information about the chain pipe being galvanized,  I did not realize this.  This might be a good place for 316 stainless or perhaps using a very thick fibreglass pipe which will of course wear over time.   

James
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 

On Nov 20, 2017, at 10:53 AM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Over the years there have been several posts about the bow locker floors deteriorating due to water rotting out the plywood. I did a minor repair to mine some years ago, but other sections succumbed and I've now removed the entire floors from both lockers. 


Interesting findings:

- Indeed, virtually all the plywood was rotted out, as I expected

-  Surprisingly, the main entry point for water was the hawse pipe. (I thought my deck locker hatches had been leaking, but they had not.) I had seen some rust stains but never found the cause. Turns out the pipe is a standard galvanized one and, over the years, the chain sliding up and down removed the galvanizing and the pipe rusted through. There was a finger width opening on the back side of the pipe at the top and another further d own and these are not at all obvious.

- Having removed the floors I could inspect the bow thruster structure (with some contortions to get myself below the floor level). The structure is made of plywood, well tabbed into the hull and the corners are glassed together, leaving the middle wood surfaces exposed and, surprisingly, unfinished. Oddly, the lower half, from the hull up, is nicely protected by gelcoat. The upper half is not finished at all and the plywood is starting to delaminate on the front side (which is virtually impossible to see with the floors installed). This is where water will run down from the hawse pipe normally.  Fortunately, it is only the surface layers of the plywood that have delaminated and the remainder is still solid, so I can build it back up with fiberglass laminate.

- The floors were only tabbed on the top (getting to the bottom being impractical) and this provides an excellent lip to lay the new floor s on. I'm using marine plywood and applying fiberglass to the bottom before installation to prevent a recurrence.


So, with many of our boats in the 25-30 year range, this area is worth a close inspection. I'm adding a 10" X 16" inspection hatch on the port side locker to allow for future inspections and easier cleanup of the chain locker in the future.


Cheers,  Craig Briggs, SN#68, Ft Pierce, FL









Re: Alarm Sound

Dean Gillies
 

Thanks for the input folks.  I'm still awaiting a report from the marina staff.


Courtney,
What is a Boxtron Unit ?

Cheers,
Dean


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Predict Wind

Porter McRoberts
 

Completely agree with Kent. 

Porter. 

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Nov 20, 2017, at 10:55 AM, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Perfect Thanks Kent!


-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Nov 20, 2017 10:41 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Predict Wind

 
I use the Standard version.  If I were racing, I'd use the Pro version.  It would be nice to see the currents, but certainly not necessary.  Predict wind has free Gulf Stream information that I look at before sailing on the east coast of the US.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243


Amel

james Hosford
 

Any body familiar with amel super marine currently for sale in stonington ct? Assuming standing rigging needs to be replaced even though they are present. Anybody ever replace their headliner?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Predict Wind

Andy Buxford
 

A few years ago the newspapers reported on a village near Dover who
were regularly finding themselves using the French cellular network
(and hence incurring roaming charges).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-21739029

Dover to Calais is where the English Channel is narrowest, about 22 miles.

Hence, if Floridian cellular transmission is as good as the French, I
would expect about that kind of range offshore. Perhaps 25?

I'm sure if you were to post to www.cruisersforum.com, though, you
would find Floridian sailors with practical experience.

Andy.


On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Chuck Lacey clacey9@gmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Any consensus on average cell tower range while sailing off the coast of
Florida. I'm going on a short trip North and was wondering if I could get a
Predictwind update en route. Not critical just wondering.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker and hawse pipe deterioration

James Alton
 

Craig,

   Solid fiberglass weighs in around 96 lbs. per square foot versus for instance fir plywood at 36 lbs. per square foot so it is likely that you will add some weight by going with all fibreglass panels to reach the desired stiffness but that would certainly solve the rot concerns permanently.  There are bulking fabrics such as fab matt to build thickness with less weight but I have seen so many failures with those products that I would avoid them myself.  I would think that you could reach the desired stiffness with a total panel thickness that was  thinner than the wood plus fibreglass original so the weight increase should not be as much 3X.  You could add solid fibreglass ribs to the bottom of your panels get the desired stiffness with a lighter weight as compared to a plain panel and I don’t think the ribs would interfere in anyway.  If the panels in my boat rot out at some point, I would certainly consider a similar solution since the anchor locker is going to be a tough place for wood due to the ongoing humidity and dampness.  

    Your idea of using the conduit is interesting as it would never corrode.  I wonder if it would be strong enough by itself and how to secure the ends so that it could never move?  Some kind of a plastic replaceable liner inside of a heavy fibreglass pipe glassed at both ends sounds interesting and permanent.

Best,

James
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220


On Nov 20, 2017, at 4:25 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thanks, James, for your good input.  


I'm thinking of using Heavy Wall Schedule 80 PVC electrical conduit for the new hawse pipe - easy to work with and should last longer than I. 
May just lay up fiberglass panels for the bottoms.

Craig SN#68


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Craig,

   Good information.  Just note that plywood panels can definitely rot out if glassed on the top and bottom.  Just think of all of the rotten plywood core decks,  transoms in power boats etc.  If you can however exclude the water from the wood completely or keep the moisture content of the wood below a critical level it will never rot.  Epoxy resin will do a better job of excluding moisture than polyester.  The edge of the plywood panel where the end grain of the wood is needs to be very well sealed since moisture will travel the fastest through the end grain.  Any holes in the panel need to have a ring of epoxy around the hole to prevent any moisture entering the panel, caulking isn’t enough IMO.  A Marine plywood panel should have a waterproof glue but you can buy panels that vary greatly in durability based on the wood species selected.   Wood boats can last a very long time  (one boat that I maintain is 109 years old and the planking is almost all original and solid)  even though they remain wet for most of there lives.  Using durable woods and providing good ventilation are the key points.  For the bow lockers I would suggest selecting a species in the “durable” category such as Fir or Sapele.  Be sure that the panel is solid core with no voids and that the inner plys are of the same species/durability rating.   If the locker contains air that is saturated (near or at 100% humidity due to a lack of venting and water being in the locker) any exposed wood will tend to take on moisture and cannot ever dry.  Opening the locker lids on a nice day or providing some kind of ventilation can help lower the humidity levels in the lockers and thereby extend the life of the original or replacement panels.   

    Thanks for the information about the chain pipe being galvanized,  I did not realize this.  This might be a good place for 316 stainless or perhaps using a very thick fibreglass pipe which will of course wear over time.   

James
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 

On Nov 20, 2017, at 10:53 AM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Over the years there have been several posts about the bow locker floors deteriorating due to water rotting out the plywood. I did a minor repair to mine some years ago, but other sections succumbed and I've now removed the entire floors from both lockers. 


Interesting findings:

- Indeed, virtually all the plywood was rotted out, as I expected

-  Surprisingly, the main entry point for water was the hawse pipe. (I thought my deck locker hatches had been leaking, but they had not.) I had seen some rust stains but never found the cause. Turns out the pipe is a standard galvanized one and, over the years, the chain sliding up and down removed the galvanizing and the pipe rusted through. There was a finger width opening on the back side of the pipe at the top and another further d own and these are not at all obvious.

- Having removed the floors I could inspect the bow thruster structure (with some contortions to get myself below the floor level). The structure is made of plywood, well tabbed into the hull and the corners are glassed together, leaving the middle wood surfaces exposed and, surprisingly, unfinished. Oddly, the lower half, from the hull up, is nicely protected by gelcoat. The upper half is not finished at all and the plywood is starting to delaminate on the front side (which is virtually impossible to see with the floors installed). This is where water will run down from the hawse pipe normally.  Fortunately, it is only the surface layers of the plywood that have delaminated and the remainder is still solid, so I can build it back up with fiberglass laminate.

- The floors were only tabbed on the top (getting to the bottom being impractical) and this provides an excellent lip to lay the new floor s on. I'm using marine plywood and applying fiberglass to the bottom before installation to prevent a recurrence.


So, with many of our boats in the 25-30 year range, this area is worth a close inspection. I'm adding a 10" X 16" inspection hatch on the port side locker to allow for future inspections and easier cleanup of the chain locker in the future.


Cheers,  Craig Briggs, SN#68, Ft Pierce, FL









Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Flopper stoppers off the poles?

Bob Sarff <bob.sarff@...>
 

We use a Magna brand flipper stopper and it works well.  If we had a second one it would be even more effective.  We store in the bow locker it doesn’t take up too much space.  We have the older Maramu.

Bob
S/V Chara


On Nov 20, 2017, at 10:58 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Davi

We use a big bucket with a rubber flap in the bottom of the bucket in which I have made a lot of holes. when not in use as a flopper stopper, it hangs on the solar gantry and we store fruits and onions in it, it works great for that as eventual water do not stay in the bucket.
it works ok as a flopper stopper, but i think a triangular shaped plywood board with a small lead weight would be better as larger surface and rellatively easy to store.
Will probably manufacture one later. 
Concerning rolling going down wind it's much less that one can expect, on our Atlantic crossing we run pooled out Genoa and Balooner for 6-7 days and the rolling was not a big issue, on the contrary very comfortable, and easy to furl when encounter squalls.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Does my ONAN need a new 12V charger?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex, 

That 
​battery
 is undersized. Why did you buy a Grp27? Your 54 came with a Grp31
​.
 The Grp27 battery ​you bought is 840CCA. Deka makes a Grp 31 1000CCA battery.

Did you replace your other batteries?
Do you have the 4 cylinder Onan, or 3?

If you are reading battery voltage in the cockpit, you must be reading it on a Volvo output panel, which means that you have the entire suite of Volvo electronics, 2 computers and various sensors powered-up as well as the 12VDC exhaust fans running. I am guessing 6-10 amps at 12VDC draw on your starting battery. This is NOT a way to test resting voltage, nor is it the thing to do before starting the generator.

In my opinion, you undersized the starting battery. This is especially significant when we are talking about the generator. The length of 12VDC wire from the starting battery to the starter is almost 7 meters from battery to starting motor. If everything is perfect, the wire that Amel uses for this is adequate, but, with an undersized battery, I suspect NOT.

Continue testing the "resting voltage," but at the battery. Continue to look for resting voltage of less than 12.8 volts, then see if you can determine why. Turning ON your Volvo systems and energizing the fans will drop the voltage and drain the battery. You did not say whether you "prime" the Onan when starting. This is pressing and holding down before starting. This should not be necessary for you unless the Onan has not started in a while. If you do this before starting, you will drain the battery.

Hopefully, you will learn why the resting voltage got as low as 12.4 volts (basically discharged), and hopefully your battery is OK. However, I think you need to plan on replacing that Group 27 starting battery with the correct size. BTW, if after running the Onan only for 1-2 hours the resting voltage on the starting battery after turning OFF the Onan should be 12.8-12.9 VDC at the battery...if it is not, the little alternator on the Onan needs attention.

I have forgotten the output of that little alternator, but see to remember something like only 10 amps.

Good luck.

​Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

So these are the answers to Bill's questions:
1. I  read it from the display in the cockpit, which in the past showed the same numbers when I did it at the battery.
2. I went to IWW in St. Georges and the employee tested a battery in the shelf (they store them loaded), but I was stupid enought not to interfere when he took another battery from that same shelf when we went to the cashier.



4. This morning I saw 12,8V before starting and the genset started fine. But yesterday I had the main engine running for ca. 10 min after I discovered the starting problem.
5. I own no load tester, but I will get one from a friend and uncircle the problem....

Thanks for your advice,
Alex / NO STRESS
AMEL54 #15


On Sunday, November 19, 2017, 1:23:39 PM GMT-4, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

It certainly looks like the alternator on the Onan is not charging the battery.


Lots of possible reasons... 

As with anything electrical, start with ALL the connections.  They are not always the most likely cause, but they are cheap and easy to fix, so it makes sense to test them first.  Since the problem started after a service on the generator, it is quite possible you bumped a wire and broke a connection somewhere.  Many times I have been working in the engine room and managed to bump the main power switch on the genset...  "Why won't this darn things start???"

Be sure to NEVER disconnect the alternator from the battery when it is running.  That will kill the diodes in very short order.

If it turns out the alternator is the source of the problem, it is almost certainly able to be rebuilt at a fr action of the cost of a new one.  That service is available all over.

Bill Kinney
sm160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL


---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

When the generator runs, I see 13,6V on the starter battery. When I turn the ignition key of the engine in the cockpit the current goes down to 13,2V (maybe because of the ventilator in engine room / generator is still running). When I start the main engine the current goes to 14,4V.

After servicing the ONAN and replacing the starter battery a short while ago, everything worked find for a while, but this morning the ONAN only started AFTER I started the main engine. The starter battery showed 12, 4 V initially. It showed 13,2 after I run the genset for 2h and then 12,8 anoher 2h later. All observations come from the little display in the cockpit.

So what is the conclusion of you fellow Amelians from this observations?

Thanks, Alex
SY NO STRESS in Grenada
AMEL54 #15





--
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970