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Looking for a testsail on Amel 54

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Group,

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask but we would really like to have a day out on a Amel 54 to see what she's like to sail. We are living in the South-Caribbean and ideally would like to meet an owner in the Caribbean.
But other offers are also received with gratitude.

We are trying to figure out if a Amel 54 is right for us. It would mean a huge step in our budget so we are trying to figure out if we are the right people for this great yacht.


Thanks in advance to anyone that help us making our mind up.


Arno


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Cautionary Turbo Tale

Duane Siegfri
 

Pat,

Does the breather line (usually a rubber hose attached to the top of the valve cover) go to the air cleaner that feeds the turbo?

Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh water pump needs a knock to start

ya_fohi
 

Bill,

Thanks. It's not the predsure switch. As I don't have any diagrams, are the carbon brushes easy to get to? Any pointers? Can this be done on situ or do I need to remove the pump to get at them?

Cheers,
Paul


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh water pump needs a knock to start

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Paul,

Check the pressure switch and the carbon brushes.


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Nov 23, 2017 08:48, "sharongbrown@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi,

I have a Reya fresh water pump on my Amel 54 and now when the pressure drops it does not start until I give it a knock with my hand at the top. It seems like maybe there is something sticking inside but I have no experience with these pumps so would appreciate some advise on how to remedy this.

Cheers,
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: prop shaft bonding

James Alton
 

Bill,
  On my wooden Loki Yawl the bronze prop has been completely unprotected since the boat was launched in 2000.  On a wooden boat the addition of zincs causes an alkali to build up inside of the boat on the protected metal which slowly destroys the wood hence the aversion to zinc in this case.  It is far cheaper to replace the prop than the wood in other words. The prop at this stage has some corrosion and thinning noticeable along the leading edge but it is minor and the prop is still safe to use.  The stainless shaft still looks perfect even under the packing. I have kept the prop coated with prop speed which lasts multiple years because of the lack of zinc.  Protected bronze tends to bubble off just about any coating you put on it in short order as you are probably aware.  On my Amel I will keep a shaft zinc on to protect things since the alkali does not bother fiberglass and the running gear is more expensive.

James
Sv Suneo Maramu #220


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-------- Original message --------
From: "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 11-23-2017 10:59 AM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: prop shaft bonding


 

If you had an unbonded SS shaft with no anode, I am curious...  how did your prop survive?


Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Ft Lauderdale, FL


Starting Battery BOSCH S5015 (610402092) 110Ah battery Low Self-Discharge

rossirossix4
 

For future searches on starter batteries.

The starter battery part of this discussion reminds me--If there are (European) automotive battery suppliers around you might check out the BOSCH S5015 Battery (610402092) 110Ah 992CA. It is a flooded maintenance free battery.   

The 393x175x190 physical size is exactly perfect for Super Maramu 2000.  Terminals allow cable to the side or ends and were no problem. 

It is low profile enough not to require any modification to the wood above and again sits perfectly in the compartment using the small Amel wood block set on edge at the end (about 1") . This size and type is specified for some of the larger Mercedes (etc) automobiles with the larger V8 diesels and had plenty of muscle for our engines. Bosch has an S3, S4, S5 .  The S3 probably fine, the S4 better, and the S5 with some capacity for higher drain electrics on cars (probably unnecessary but may be a help if your starter battery goes without charging for a longer period of time). 

You can see the specs on the S5015 here (random vendor)  https://www.tayna.co.uk/S5-015-Bosch-Car-Battery-Type-020-S5015-P9707.html 

From Bosch progaganda....

"The Bosch S5 Battery will tolerate short journeys better than any other battery in its price range. Maintenance Free Silver Calcium technology lies at the heart of the Bosch S5 battery series with Labyrinth Lid Technology and superior internal grid construction.  The Bosch S5 can sit for 18+ Months (charged) and its performance will not be compromised."  Impressive looking in the battery compartment BTW (when Adm Bill saw it in Siracusa).  I am away from KAIMI but will post a pic when I return to Malta.

"BOSCH S5 features:
30% higher cold cranking power,
30% longer service life,
For new generation cars with additional safety and comfort electrical equipment,
100% maintenance free battery,
Minimum self-discharge,
Produced using the advanced technology of silver,
Maximum security,
The patented "labyrinth" cover prevents electrolyte spills or evaporate,
Protection from a gas explosion.
Reliable driving short distances in urban cycle."

Anyway, perfect size and shape (for SM 2000), plenty of power, low self-discharge, moderate price.  It definitely has more punch than our previous 31 series--a slightly faster steady crank really helps the Onan start quickly.  The 18+ month sitting is probably in a vehicle with car alarm, advanced computer, etc. Other brands are probably good also.
 
Bob, KAIMI SM429

 


Re: prop shaft bonding

greatketch@...
 

If you had an unbonded SS shaft with no anode, I am curious...  how did your prop survive?

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Ft Lauderdale, FL


Fresh water pump needs a knock to start

ya_fohi
 

Hi,

I have a Reya fresh water pump on my Amel 54 and now when the pressure drops it does not start until I give it a knock with my hand at the top. It seems like maybe there is something sticking inside but I have no experience with these pumps so would appreciate some advise on how to remedy this.

Cheers,
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98



Re: Saltwater Manifold

greatketch@...
 

It is very strange the highly variable life of the SM manifold. 

I took ours (20 years old) out last year, cleaned it, checked the metal thickness, and in every way it was like new.  Other than a bit of green patina on the outside surface, it looked as though it had been manufactured yesterday. I gave it a new coat of black paint, and it is back in. Unless something changes dramatically, it should give us good service for many more years.

Both the main seacock and the manifold should be connected to the bonding system, although the presence or lack of of bonding would have no impact on _external_ corrosion of those parts.

Maintenance might have something to do with it.  Allowing salt to sit against the manifold from a tiny leak at the hose joint would be a bad thing.  Stop the leak, and be sure the solid salt is rinsed away. Such salt can create a conductive path from the stainless hose clamps to the copper manifold that would not be a good thing.

I have heard that some people will drop a "chorine tablet" (Calcium hypochlorite) into the seachest to discourage bio-fouling.  This would also explain a short life for the copper manifold (and any other copper parts in the seawater piping!) and is (in my opinion) a bad idea.

Otherwise than those guesses I have no idea what happens to some of these manifolds...  copper should have a very long, almost indefinite, life in seawater service.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Cautionary Turbo Tale

Patrick McAneny
 

Duane, I can only confirm from what you wrote , that I am not as much of a mechanic as yourself. I don't have a Yanmar , but I assume a Volvo would function the same as you describe. A couple of things I do know , is to always start with the simple and work towards the complex. The other is that oil belongs in the engine , not in the intake manifold , where I guess it could result in a runaway engine. Since I will be having the turbo rebuilt , I will for now , assume it was the source , especially considering its proximity to the oil. I had noticed the loss of oil and was thinking maybe oil seals . Now I am hoping it also was the result of a leak in  the turbo . Hope that is not just hopeful thinking .
Happy Thanksgiving,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Nov 23, 2017 6:30 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Cautionary Turbo Tale

 
Pat,

Please check on what I'm about to write yourself since I'm not much of a mechanic.  

Oil in the Intercooler Air Duct is not necessarily an indication of an oil leak in the Turbo.  On my Yanmar there is a breather tube connected to the valve cover and to the air filter.  The intent is that when pressure in the crankcase increases it is relieved by the breather tube.  Pressure is caused by heat increasing the air pressure inside the crankcase, but mostly from "blow by", which are the gases that leak out of the combustion chamber.  

These gasses contains some hydrocarbons, and instead of letting it drip under the engine the tube directs it to the air intake.  If there is a lot of oil, that's not a good thing.  If there is some evidence of oil streaking, or the intercooler is a bit wet with oi l, that's normal.  The amount of "blow by" is proportional to the condition of the piston rings, valve seats, etc.  A worn out engine will have more "blow by" than a new one.

Of course, it could also be an oil leak in the turbo...

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: Cautionary Turbo Tale

Duane Siegfri
 

Pat,

Please check on what I'm about to write yourself since I'm not much of a mechanic.  

Oil in the Intercooler Air Duct is not necessarily an indication of an oil leak in the Turbo.  On my Yanmar there is a breather tube connected to the valve cover and to the air filter.  The intent is that when pressure in the crankcase increases it is relieved by the breather tube.  Pressure is caused by heat increasing the air pressure inside the crankcase, but mostly from "blow by", which are the gases that leak out of the combustion chamber.  

These gasses contains some hydrocarbons, and instead of letting it drip under the engine the tube directs it to the air intake.  If there is a lot of oil, that's not a good thing.  If there is some evidence of oil streaking, or the intercooler is a bit wet with oil, that's normal.  The amount of "blow by" is proportional to the condition of the piston rings, valve seats, etc.  A worn out engine will have more "blow by" than a new one.

Of course, it could also be an oil leak in the turbo...

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: Amel 54 Corrosion

Arno Luijten
 

Dear Group,

Thanks for all responses. It seems to prove the principle of "use it or loose it" is very much valid for Amels as well.
The Amel we've looked at has seen very little usage, less then 600 motor hours.
As a result the interior looks very good but the technical installations are not in great shape.
So my guess is that buying such a yacht would take a lot of effort to get effort to get back in shape with substantial costs associated.
At present the price does not reflect this as far a I can tell. As usual the broker tries to downplay the problems but I would expect him to do so. However our funds are limited and we cannot afford a money-pit other then  a yacht in good shape already is.

We will need to take look at other Amels for finding our new cruising-home.

Thanks again.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Cautionary Turbo Tale

Mark Erdos
 

Pat,

 

So glad you are able to escape relatively cheap. This is wise advice. I guess this is why surgical staff count the sponges in the OR.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising – St Lucia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 8:34 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Cautionary Turbo Tale

 

 

Several months ago my engine lost performance , it would not exceed 1800 rpm. I have a Volvo TMD 22A and normally could get it up to 3000 rpm. I discovered that the turbine did not spin easily and assumed it was the result of running it slowly and a build up of carbon. Today , I took the turbo off and brought it home , while trying to explain how a turbo works to my wife and pointing to where the air enters the turbo , she innocently asked me, Is that supposed to be there? When I looked , I could not believe it, there was a tightly wound  wad of paper towel sucked tightly up against the turbine. I don't know how any air got passed it. I must have left a paper towel in the engine room and it got sucked up through the filter , which is not a proper filter at all . There is a black plastic housing in where I would expect a filter to be , but it is empty . I will now place a wide mesh screen over the opening. This explains the gray smoke , and some black smoke I never had before , not enough air. I also discovered oil in the tube connected to the intake manifold , not good , I assume the turbo has a bad seal . Needless to say, its going in  for a rebuild. So keep track of those paper towels , and save your turbo !

Happy Thanksgiving Pilgrims ,

Pat & Diane,

SM Shenanigans


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

Warren Traill
 

It was rebuilt in Langkawi by Zainol who has since passed away unfortunately.

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 November 2017 12:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

 

 

Hi Warren and Zetta,  Did you get it rebuit in Thailand?  Interested in recommendation on Good Mechanic.


Re: Amel 54 Corrosion

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

It takes some care to keep a boat looking more or less OK.

Our mirrors were "affected on the sides" as you say, on our then-10 year-old '53 when we bought it in 2012 in Fort Lauderdale.  I am not sure if it got any worse in subsequent years, as those things that you see every day are hard to objectively measure.

In 2016, we replaced all of our mirrors in Barcelona, at not much cost.  It turns out that Amel mirrors are thicker than regular household mirrors.  I believe we followed on the footsteps of great advice from a friend.

21 months later, the mirrors still look brand-new.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K No. 350 (2002)
Under sail, Patara to Kas


Re: Anchor chain channel liner

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

In Fort Lauderdale, I was told the lining material is called "shark skin," but could never find any.  In La Rochelle in 2015 I asked one of the Amel technicians who was aboard to replace it, he said the material is no longer available.

To reduce the amount of wear on the liner, we did two things in Fort Lauderdale:

2014: Two small, rectangular, "starboard" pads were glued into the vertical or nearly vertical leading edges of the fiberglass, aft of where the stainless steel ends.  Otherwise, the fiberglass had begun to show deterioration.  The pads now show significant abrasion, but are still in very good working order.

2015: Two narrow pieces of teak were screwed into the floor of the channel, about halfway between the windlass and the stainless steel.   The chain runs in between the pieces of wood when the anchor is down, and the anchor and its swivel and shackle no longer strike the shark skin when the anchor is up.  The wood shows quite a bit of abrasion, but both pieces are in good working order.

The "shark skin" shows no additional wear and tear since 2015, despite anchoring out most of the time.  Had these measures not been undertaken, I am positive the "shark skin" would have had to be replaced by now.

Cheers,

Peregrinus
SM2K Nr. 350 (2002)
Underway, Patara to Kas, Turkey


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Cautionary Turbo Tale

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Excellent share and reminder that sometimes (as some on this group remind us) check the easy (and visible) stuff first. If it was me the shop would have called with a $ boat-buck bill as they flicked the paper towel into the trash. Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Chuck & Kim
s/v Joy
SM388

Virus-free. www.avast.com

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 5:34 PM, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Several months ago my engine lost performance , it would not exceed 1800 rpm. I have a Volvo TMD 22A and normally could get it up to 3000 rpm. I discovered that the turbine did not spin easily and assumed it was the result of running it slowly and a build up of carbon. Today , I took the turbo off and brought it home , while trying to explain how a turbo works to my wife and pointing to where the air enters the turbo , she innocently asked me, Is that supposed to be there? When I looked , I could not believe it, there was a tightly wound  wad of paper towel sucked tightly up against the turbine. I don't know how any air got passed it. I must have left a paper towel in the engine room and it got sucked up through the filter , which is not a proper filter at all . There is a black plastic housing in where I would expect a filter to be , but it is empty . I will now place a wide mesh screen over the opening. This explains the gray smoke , and some black smoke I never had before , not enough air. I also discovered oil in the tube connected to the intake manifold , not good , I assume the turbo has a bad seal . Needless to say, its going in  for a rebuild. So keep track of those paper towels , and save your turbo !

Happy Thanksgiving Pilgrims ,

Pat & Diane,

SM Shenanigans



Re: Anchor chain channel liner

Duane Siegfri
 

I had that peel off of our boat as well.  I replaced it with an EPDM pad that I glued down.  This is a 30" square pad made out of rubber roofing material that is laid down for walkways on "rubber" (EPDM) roofs.  It's available on the internet, search for EPDM walkway pad.  They have raised dots to improve traction, are very resistant to UV, and look OK in black.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Cautionary Turbo Tale

Patrick McAneny
 

Several months ago my engine lost performance , it would not exceed 1800 rpm. I have a Volvo TMD 22A and normally could get it up to 3000 rpm. I discovered that the turbine did not spin easily and assumed it was the result of running it slowly and a build up of carbon. Today , I took the turbo off and brought it home , while trying to explain how a turbo works to my wife and pointing to where the air enters the turbo , she innocently asked me, Is that supposed to be there? When I looked , I could not believe it, there was a tightly wound  wad of paper towel sucked tightly up against the turbine. I don't know how any air got passed it. I must have left a paper towel in the engine room and it got sucked up through the filter , which is not a proper filter at all . There is a black plastic housing in where I would expect a filter to be , but it is empty . I will now place a wide mesh screen over the opening. This explains the gray smoke , and some black smoke I never had before , not enough air. I also discovered oil in the tube connected to the intake manifold , not good , I assume the turbo has a bad seal . Needless to say, its going in  for a rebuild. So keep track of those paper towels , and save your turbo !

Happy Thanksgiving Pilgrims ,

Pat & Diane,

SM Shenanigans


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Jean Pierre & Company

My policy is for “agreed value” and they want to pay “market value”, I have to prove my boat was well maintained, etc. will go in detail.

Yes they likely will succeed in paying less, but I want everybody to be aware of their practices.

I did not spend 3 days “emptying” the boat, I spent 2.5 days complying with insurance regulations.

Every time there was a close risk of hurricane I did the same thing.
My insurance policy says: remove all sails (and personally I think it is stupid to remove the main and mizzen since they are in the mast - but this is what the insurance ask and if you don’t comply the policy says they will cancel the policy) removing and folding the Genoa, Staysail, Main and Mizzen took me 7 hours (I am by myself), then had to secure boom to deck, removing anything that can offer wind resistance (like putting the outboard into inside compartment).
Insurance ask to triple the dock lines, I did more than that as I had 21 dock lines and 2 chaines this it took me an entire day.
I already had lots of fencer on (always do), then I removed what you can.

I am not sure where you get the “bunker like” hotel. If this is because of the Hurricane proof window (which broke), for your information, ALL hotels and most houses have hurricane proof windows and shutters, I just pick the cheapest of the closest hotel.

2 persons asked me why I didn’t leave.
First, it is always easy to ask the question “after” the facts.

When in life people are faced with a danger (not just sailing but anything), the reaction is either “fight” or “fly”. Hesitation and changing your mind will always be against you.
Once you commit to one option, you can not change your mind as you loose valuable time. A typical example is: you drive the light goes orange, you either accelerate or stop. If you hesitate you loose time, if you first brake then accelerate or vice versa you end up in the middle of the intersection and put yourself more at risk of having an accident.

If mid way I had decided to leave (and where?) I would have spent many hours putting the sails back on.

Here are some example:
In 2014 Jerome (who asked me that question) owned a 54, we were in different marinas in Grand Bahama, both scarred, we stayed he even had his boat on a traveller, the storm passed far enough.
In 2015 I went to Atlantis Marina for Hurricane Joaquin which came pretty closed to Nassau, etc. then I made the mistake to leave too soon…
In 2016 Hurricane Matthew was too south be a factor but regardless my lines were tripled, etc. the dock master at Club Nautico called my boat a “Destroyer” because of all the fenders.
In July this year, I was in St Barth and there was chance of a tropical storm developing, like all my neighbors we was scarred because the port is not protected and they kick you out if there is a name storm. Every time the storm either did not form or went away and we celebrated but I decided to leave Gustavia.
Early August I called Port de Plaisance, since their Hurricane slips were already booked I contacted IGY who still had hurricane slips and moved there. For info, none of the boats in Port de Plaisance survived either.
Hurricane Irma was expected to pass 20 NM north of Sint Maarten.

So for those who think of leaving when a hurricane is coming.
Do you know how many people left and are missing?
Jean Pierre and many, likely have wife or girlfriends with them, etc.
I am single hand and my insurance policy specifically limits me to 24 hours, then I must anchor or go into a marina for x hours.
Some other insurance like Y Insurance (which I was considering) only allow 16 hours solo.
If you don’t respect that, your insurance will void your coverage and this can not only cost your vessel but also the damaged you did to another vessel.

Then, where do you go???
North? South?
BVI? (all destroyed now)
Puerto Rico?
Again easy to say after the facts.
Then let’s say you go.
A Super Maramu will do 7 kt, a name storm will move 15 kt.
People should look at the Beaufort scale: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaufort_scale
A Hurricane Category “1” has wave of 46 ft heigh. That is over 4 floor ups.
Do you want to take the risk to end up in something like that?
I heard many stories of people largely exaggerating “thinking” they were in 40 foot sea with 40 kt of wind…

Anyway, I feel I am getting upset so it is time to stop.

Alexandre




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On Wed, 11/22/17, Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air jgermain@xs4all.nl [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2017, 8:21 AM


 









Hello Pat & Alexandre,
I have been exposed to insurance
companies internal workings in the past.  I will play the
devil’s advocate here so don’t shot the
messenger.
- Their first reaction is to
refuse payment due to… name some excuse.
- Then they negotiate for a
lesser value than claimed… and normally, they will succeed
as the insured normally cannot afford the mounting lawyers
bills.
One important point to remember
in Alexandre’s case, is that he spent 3 days removing the
spares from his boat and moved to a “bunker like” hotel.
 They will latch on this to force the responsibility to
Alexandre… (why did you not sail your boat away?? Will be
the first question and regardless of his answer, the next
question will be… “why did you remove the spares from
your boat and move to “bunker”?
I hope owners who suffered
damages due to the hurricanes of this past season receive
fair treatment from their insurer;… but don’t expect
miracles!
Best of luck to you
Alexandre,

Jean-Pierre GermainSY Eleuthera, SM 007Panama.

On 22 Nov 2017, at 08:01, Patrick
Mcaneny sailw32@aol.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
Alex, I had forgotten it was your boat
that was hit in Nassau , I remember how long that took to to
resolve , if it was resolved. You have had more than your
share of damage and hassles with insurance/repairs . I have
Pantaenius and without a question , they replaced every
piece of electronics on my boat ($58,000) total , all new
and better equipment , with no cost to me. So I can't
bring pressure , but if you are not treated fairly , I would
urge owners insured with your company  to cancel their
policies and sight your treatment for their cancellation
. Stay
Strong,PatSM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Alexandre
Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 22,
2017 6:48 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Helm cover

 Thanks Pat.  

I hope the cover will be ok, may
be because it was in a compartment where water was not
exposed to the sun (so no growth). Otherwise it is sad to
see the growth slowly taking over…  

Based on my experience 3.5 years
ago in Nassau (a boat lost control and damaged my bow
pulpit) (and my insurance agreed I was at zero fault) I knew
it would be a fight.  
They are also doing
the exact same thing with Rafael, I will write all about
it. 

Anyway, have a great day. 

Sincerely, Alexandre