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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location
Patrick McAneny
Mark, I met with them at the Annapolis show and spoke with them once or twice when ordering and they were fine , helpful. They now have sold several to Amel owners and know which one to sell you. It comes in a box and is easy to assemble / install , I think total time start to finish was maybe eight hours . Would have been a little less , but I chose to several inches off the tubes to lessen the height . I built my own solar frame and installed three panels , they are out of the way and are never in a shadow . I incorporated davits into my S.S. frame and it has been great to haul the dinghy for trips between the islands.
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Good Luck,
Pat SM #123
-----Original Message----- From: isaac_02906@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Wed, Nov 29, 2017 9:33 am Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location Hello All,
I am considering adding solar to our SM and would like to know where members of the group have placed their panels and how they feel about their choice. Ours does not currently have an arch, but we are willing to add one should that be the best location. It looks like at least a few in the group have nice, clean installations using Atlantic Towers, and any feedback about their product and working with them would be appreciated. Mark SM #391 Ft. Lauderdale
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow light wiring gotcha
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
aaah, that explains it. Thanks Kent. Regards Danny
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Tonnage
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Redouan, Exactly. Gross and Net tons are calculated figures based on volume and have nothing to do with the vessel's weight. CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Nov 29, 2017 02:43, "Rédouan Assar red1assar@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Watermaker low pressure pump for 160 lph unit
eric freedman
Has anyone had good luck with a replacement low pressure lift pump for the Dessalator 160 LPH watermaker Other than a Calpeda? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow light wiring gotcha
No, Danny, a steel wire- fishing tape, 1/4"wide. Kent S/V Kristy Hi Kent, was it a steel measuring tape you used? Mine would be too wide for the job? Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Tom and Kirstin, My panels are 130 watt if I remember correctly, it was 8 years ago. I posted photos on the forum so you should be able to find them. If not I will photo again, but not immediately. If you can I advise putting them both on the Port side. They do restrict access down the side deck slightly and I think it best to limit this to one side. If you put them one each side I think you would find that irritating. Because I was considering changing to a different location I ran the wiring down a rail upright, across the deck and up and over at the back of the cockpit into the large port cockpit locker. Cable tied the wires to the base of the mizzen stay. From there I drilled through into the small locker and through to where the mizzen wiring goes and thence back to the front of the battery compartment to a solar panel controller, and then to the batteries. The intention was to do a more standard process of drilling through the deck etc later. BUT, the wiring is so unobtrusive and effective I have left is as is. It is a long run so use appropriate cabling size. Because you can get sun and no wind and wind and no sun I also have a "super wind" 350 watt wind generator on top of the mizzen. This is an expensive German unit with self feathering blades capable of withstanding very high winds. Very happy with both systems. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Tonnage
Beaute Olivier
Hello, What Bill K says is right. On a British Registry Certificate for a Super Maramu, the Gross tonnage is 33.24, the Register tonnage is 23.35. I remember people from Bureau Veritas coming to the Amel Shipyard and measuring the boats that would fly a British flag. Today, a vessel tonnage is only mentionned with a figure : The tonnage of this vessel is 480. There are rules for vessels of a tonnage above 500. What is a tonnage? A volume calculated differently according to the countries of registration. In France a Super Maramu's tonnage is 30.14. The "tons" expressed previously is in fact 100 cubic feet. This is international for all kinds of vessels. Yes, even the French use this system (tons, which in French is named tonneau, which means "barrel"). 100 cubic feet is approximately 2.83 cubic meters. This volume is mainly made and assessed to put several kinds of taxes on the vessel...cargo ships mainly but leisure crafts too. Finally, if I say that the Super Maramu light displacement is 15.3 tons, this is a ton which weighs 1000 kg, the weight of one cubic meter of water. This is typically a metric figure. And tonnage is not directly related to displacement. A Super Maramu made of carbon/foam sandwich would have a much lighter displacement but the same tonnage as your Super Maramus (in the same country of registration!!). Since 2013, the tonnage of a leisure craft is no more mentioned in a French flag certificate... Olivier
On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 4:41 PM, "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote: Do not assume that the "tons" shown on your documentation certificate has anything to do with the vessel's weight. It is an archaic calculation that is an estimate of the boat's cargo carrying capacity based on its volume. On US certificates it is calculated from the boat’s width, height, and length. Because, you know many of us haul freight with our Amel’s and the government needs to be sure it gets its duties collected accurately. Or something. Some countries use a rough approximate calculation (like the USA and the UK) others take this to the silly limit and require an exact calculation of the internal volume from a lines drawing of the hull. The whole concept is rather a waste to time and energy for a yacht, but rules is rules! Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Fort Lauderdale, FL ---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote : Follow on from my previous. That is way more than Amel specs. Danny Sm 299 Ocean Pearl Sent from my Vodafone Smart
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location
thomas.kleman <no_reply@...>
Hey Danny- we are just about to fit 210 w solar panels on our rails port and starboard using your 1/3 in 2/3 out approach with a similar hardware configuration. Just wondering how big your panels are that require no additional bracing ? We are designing and purchasing things away from the boat (not optimal, but necessary).
Also, we're looking at several wiring diagrams and have seen a lot of different setups (i.e. fusing both before and after the MPPT controller, on-off toggle for power, ammeter location, etc. Anything you learned from wiring this would be appreciated. Tom and Kirstin L'ORIENT SM2K # 422
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar Panel Location
Patrick McAneny
Steve, I was the first one to purchase and install an Atlantic arch, and I was concerned about how it or any arch would look. We now actually think it looks fine and has not interfered with the lines of the boat. I cut the tubes and reduced the height and I believe it looks better and I still have plenty of headroom to pass under. Reducing height also brings the weight lower , especially with the dinghy hoisted.
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Pat SM#123
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Morrison steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Wed, Nov 29, 2017 11:14 am Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar Panel Location I just this morning removed one of Emek’s stainless arches we had made. He made it up and sent it in the spring but it has been nothing but issues. The fit was horrendous and though he made gestures to get it sorted, he never followed through. All 4 feet sat poorly with gaps to the inside or out ranging from 1/8” to 5/8” on the starboard forward mounting foot. The geometry was so off that every time I brought welders out to look, they either went into hiding and never returned calls and emails, or they promised to make it right but said it would be thousands (5+) to cut, refabricate, weld, polish and mount. As it is holding us back from sailing at the moment, I pulled it all off and put it in storage to sort out next summer. Though I don’t love the look o the Atlantic arch, I know several boats who have gone that route and do not complain. I would look at the new LG 350w panels from nearing in Ft Lauderdale. Two will fit nicely atop the Atlantic and give you good power.
Steve Morrison
SM 380 TouRai
Ft Lauderdale marine center
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Mark Before our first ocean crossing in 2009 we fitted two panels clamped to the rail port side just aft of the cockpit. There is no need for props or braces They are about 1/3 inside the rail 2/3 out. The clamps have hand wheel nuts that allow easy tightening and loosening. This makes it quick and easy to put them in an upright position when docking or in confined spaces. In over 40,000 sea miles in all sort of conditions we have never had an issue with seas striking them. When we fitted them we had no time to use other options so we put them on the rail and decided that if it was not convenient or effective we would shift them to an alternative, It has proved to be very satisfactory and we have no need or desire to move them. In 2009 the general wisdom on the Amel forum was that big arches put too much weight on the stern and the SM structure was not designed for the loads of arches . Now the arches seem to be the number one fashion statement. (grin). Any way we are happy with what we have, but we are ocean wallopers not marina animals. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Flexofold Prop
Great discussion, but somewhat bewildering for mere mortals like myself!
I've just placed an order for an Autoprop on the basis of 1. good customer service from Bruntons, 2. I know it fits and work because many (maybe most?) other 54's have it, 3. I could see no compelling reason to choose differently. It won't be fitted until next year. In the meantime I need to consider whether I need a rope cutter too. Cheers all Dean SY Stella Amel 54 #154
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar Panel Location
Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
Hi Steve,
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EMEK is well known for their lack of response to customer problems… however, my own EMEK arch is good. Regards, Jean-Pierre Germain SY Eleuthera, SM007 Panama
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar Panel Location
Steve sorry to hear about your issues have a great season miss seeing you in Brunswick
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Cheers
Courtney
54 Trippin'
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Morrison steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Wed, Nov 29, 2017 11:14 am Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar Panel Location I just this morning removed one of Emek’s stainless arches we had made. He made it up and sent it in the spring but it has been nothing but issues. The fit was horrendous and though he made gestures to get it sorted, he never followed through. All 4 feet sat poorly with gaps to the inside or out ranging from 1/8” to 5/8” on the starboard forward mounting foot. The geometry was so off that every time I brought welders out to look, they either went into hiding and never returned calls and emails, or they promised to make it right but said it would be thousands (5+) to cut, refabricate, weld, polish and mount. As it is holding us back from sailing at the moment, I pulled it all off and put it in storage to sort out next summer. Though I don’t love the look o the Atlantic arch, I know several boats who have gone that route and do not complain. I would look at the new LG 350w panels from nearing in Ft Lauderdale. Two will fit nicely atop the Atlantic and give you good power.
Steve Morrison
SM 380 TouRai
Ft Lauderdale marine center
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar Panel Location
Stephen Morrison <steve_morrison@...>
I just this morning removed one of Emek’s stainless arches we had made. He made it up and sent it in the spring but it has been nothing but issues. The fit was horrendous and though he made gestures to get it sorted, he never followed through. All 4 feet sat poorly with gaps to the inside or out ranging from 1/8” to 5/8” on the starboard forward mounting foot. The geometry was so off that every time I brought welders out to look, they either went into hiding and never returned calls and emails, or they promised to make it right but said it would be thousands (5+) to cut, refabricate, weld, polish and mount. As it is holding us back from sailing at the moment, I pulled it all off and put it in storage to sort out next summer. Though I don’t love the look o the Atlantic arch, I know several boats who have gone that route and do not complain. I would look at the new LG 350w panels from nearing in Ft Lauderdale. Two will fit nicely atop the Atlantic and give you good power.
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On Nov 29, 2017, at 10:46 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: Solar Panel Location
greatketch@...
Mark,
We used an Atlantic Tower arch to hold two 315W Panasonic panels. It worked well, and we are happy with the result. We are currently at Lauderdale Marine Center if you wanted to stop over and see, you would be welcome. I liked the Atlantic Arch because of its light weight. Installation of the arch was a two day project. Another day or two for the panel install. On my old boat I had panels on the rail. On my way east from Hawaii I ran into a “bit of weather”. We took a wave across the boat that threw green water against the back side of the leeward side panel, which were folded down. The panels were fine, but the rail they were attached to sutained significant damage. That experience has made my leery of rail mounted panels. Bill Kinney sM160, Harmonie Fort Lauderdale, FL
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Re: Solar Panel Location
Hello Mark
We have 450 w solar panels on an Arc from Emek marine, works great, I added 2x100 watt on the rail and 2x100 watt flexible panels on the Bimini. Now we have two groups 450 and 400 watt, we are very pleased with the setup. Considering adding 2x100 watt flexible panels on top of the spray hood. Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Tonnage
greatketch@...
Do not assume that the "tons" shown on your documentation certificate has anything to do with the vessel's weight.
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It is an archaic calculation that is an estimate of the boat's cargo carrying capacity based on its volume. On US certificates it is calculated from the boat’s width, height, and length. Because, you know many of us haul freight with our Amel’s and the government needs to be sure it gets its duties collected accurately. Or something. Some countries use a rough approximate calculation (like the USA and the UK) others take this to the silly limit and require an exact calculation of the internal volume from a lines drawing of the hull. The whole concept is rather a waste to time and energy for a yacht, but rules is rules! Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Fort Lauderdale, FL ---In amelyachtowners@..., <simms@...> wrote : Follow on from my previous. That is way more than Amel specs. Sent from my Vodafone Smart
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Solar Panel Location
Mark Isaac
Hello All,
I am considering adding solar to our SM and would like to know where members of the group have placed their panels and how they feel about their choice. Ours does not currently have an arch, but we are willing to add one should that be the best location. It looks like at least a few in the group have nice, clean installations using Atlantic Towers, and any feedback about their product and working with them would be appreciated. Mark SM #391 Ft. Lauderdale
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Tonnage
Ian Park
Figures for a Santorin are -
Part 1 brass registration plate on board says 15 13/100 tons Registration certificate says Gross Tonnage 18.11 and Registered tonnage 15.13 The original AMEL brochure says Displacement loaded 22,045 lbs and total weight empty 18,738 lbs, ballast 8,156lbs. When hauled out in UK by crane we registered a shade over 15 tons (British). Confirm previous comments that Part 1 registration refers to an ancient measurement of predicted volume. If anyone fancies doing the math between all these figures - enjoy! Ian Ocean Hobo SN96
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Tonnage
Dear Andy
The British Registry allows the use of a simple approximate formula, which is not recognized by the Danish Registry. Thanks anyway Jeppe
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