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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
James Alton
Oops, typo. The T series pump is supposed to be rated at 300 GPH, not GPM, sorry for not proof reading my previous post more carefully.
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James SV Suneno, Maramu #220
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Bow Thuster Control Box
Hi All, I have been stricken with the dreaded bow thruster burn up! This has happened to a few of you so I am reaching out because we are stuck for a fix. The usual story - Hole in BT is sitting slightly higher than the pin-lock. The up-sensor was a bit erratic and probably allowed the BT to go up to high and jamming the up-down rod. My model does not have a fuse and sure enough we burnt up the motor. I now have a shiny new fabriqué en France motor and it is installed. When commanding the motor to go up from the helm it goes up. When commanding to go down it buzzes like it is already down. Rod does not move down. We are thinking it is one of the orange relays on the circuit board. We changed the diodes out to be sure it was not them. Does that sound right? Any ideas would be appreciated. We are trying to leave and this is keeping us dockside. Thanks in advance. Chuck s/v Joy SM2K #388
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
James Alton
Duane,
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No, my boat still has the original Amel installed diaphragm pump. The T series pumps that I have had experience with were used for black water tank pump out. So far none of my customers has managed to clog or kill one of these pumps. The pump is supposed to move 300 GPM so I think it might be a little small for a primary bilge pump. I suspect that this pump could be quite reliable as a bilge pump but do not have any experience to support that. One concern would be whether the rubber used in the pump can handle oil that might be in the bilge, perhaps someone knows? James SV Sueno, Maramu #220
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover
Alexandre Uster von Baar
In my case, in Nassau (and once I am done with all that, I will write down everything), the opposite insurance of the powerboat that lost control hit my bow (no damage at this point), then “panic” and put tingfull reverse and that is what created the damages, so that insurance was Pantaenius.
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Pantaenius told my insurance (De Lassee/Helvetia) that my boat was “longer” than the slip and only accepted 50% responsibility and ask me what was my opinion?!? I replied I did not know, that as far as i am concerned was not at fault, so I (kind of) hired a legal (cost me diner) that said: “no the fact that the dock is not as long as the vessel doesn’t have anything to do, not a valid argument” so I replied that to my insurance. Then Pantaenius came back and said: “as you said there was wind a current, so our customer is not at fault and we only accept 50% responsibility” - again Lassee/Helvetia ask my opinion. Here again, I don’t know what to reply, as far as I am concerned not my fault. But again cost me another diner to get legal opinion. So in this case: “Wind and Current” could be a factor “IF” they were strong enough, like in the case of a tropical storm, but certainly not in that accident, so I replied that to my insurance. At that point, I am questioning DeLassee/Helvetia don’t they know these things??? Why even asking me the question, like if I was at fault. I could go on details where DeLassee told me: “We told you not to be in the US waters”. First I was paying 30% more premium to sail in US water - but as I reminded Mr Geofrrey DeLasse, The Bahamas, are NOT part of the US water, it is a former British Colonie independent for 40 years (he never replied to that). Then I could go on and on how difficult it was in Nassau to get quote for stainless, fiberglass, electrical, rigging, nobody wanted to accept responsibility if things did not fit, etc. took me 2 months… (out of these 2 months I spend 80 hours on that). Then was Florida, I finally got a quote, the insurance said it was too expensive, took the 3 months to get another one (same price), then the insurance agreed I was not at fault, but it was not worth for the to hire a lawyer because of the small amount ($20.000). So after 2 months in Nassau and 5 month in Florida, I gave up. Then as I said, I got reimbursed $7000 and am still waiting for $3000, I signed many documents and every month I remind them, they acknowledge, etc. --------------------------------------------
On Thu, 11/30/17, Ron Hynes riffhynes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Thursday, November 30, 2017, 11:16 AM Some years ago after the horrendous hurricane seasons of 2005-6 in Florida and elsewhere, discovery during a lawsuit involving a major insurer uncovered a voluminous report from one of the major management consulting firms (Peat, Marwick...if memory serves), that essentially recommended, “deny, deny, deny” as a successful tactic to minimize loses. This same report, almost verbatim, was disclosed in another lawsuit with another major insurer later in the year. Sad but true...you never know how good (or bad) your insurer is until you need it! I’ve had Pantaenius for a couple of years and had my first claim in more than 40 years of boating resolved painlessly to my satisfaction. Of course, they might drop me on renewal and I won’t be surprised. Similar to Alex, I was rammed in a marina in Norfolk about 15 years ago. The vessel causing the accident was insured by a company whose major business was insuring motorcycles. After months of negotiating and justifying my damages, my insurer stepped up and made me whole. They went to litigation over the incident and I never learned how it was settled, but my insurer dropped me under the pretense that I had placed my vessel in a vulnerable location in the marina. Against tide and wind. After striking me, he t-boned a ninety footer on the opposite side of the marina. I always wondered if his insurer though he was also in a vulnerable location! Ron Hynes954.319.0944 On Nov 22, 2017, at 3:56 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Hello Pat, In Nassau, my insurance (Helvetia) agreed I was at zero fault, but since the opposite insurance (Pantaenius) only accepted 50% responsibility, Helvetia said it is not worth the expense to hire a lawyer… (of course, not their money). We argued for 8 months until I gave up and accepted 50% responsibility. Repair work had not started that my insurance went up 15%… (because I have a claim now). Also every time I got a quote, Helvetia said it was too expensive, that I had to look for a new one, etc. that took 7 months (2 months in Nassau) and 5 months in Florida. It took them 3 months to find someone who charged almost the same amount, but had to go up the river, etc. I end up paying the guy myself. Then 3.5 years later, I was paid $7000 am still being own $3000. I have heard good reviews for Pantaenius and was considering to change. I caution everyone who subscribe their insurance through De Lassee or using Helvetia to rethink their policy. Rafael is also insured with Helvetia, I urge him to hire a lawyer, because they started doing the same thing with him. Sincerely, Alexandre. -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 11/22/17, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2017, 7:01 AM Alex, I had forgotten it was your boat that was hit in Nassau , I remember how long that took to to resolve , if it was resolved. You have had more than your share of damage and hassles with insurance/repairs . I have Pantaenius and without a question , they replaced every piece of electronics on my boat ($58,000) total , all new and better equipment , with no cost to me. So I can't bring pressure , but if you are not treated fairly , I would urge owners insured with your company to cancel their policies and sight your treatment for their cancellation . Stay Strong, Pat SM Shenanigans -----Original Message----- From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Wed, Nov 22, 2017 6:48 am Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover Thanks Pat. I hope the cover will be ok, may be because it was in a compartment where water was not exposed to the sun (so no growth). Otherwise it is sad to see the growth slowly taking over… Based on my experience 3.5 years ago in Nassau (a boat lost control and damaged my bow pulpit) (and my insurance agreed I was at zero fault) I knew it would be a fight. They are also doing the exact same thing with Rafael, I will write all about it. Anyway, have a great day. Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 11/21/17, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, November 21, 2017, 4:01 PM Alex, Keep me posted on the cover , being in water should not have hurt it much. Sorry your insurance co. is making things worse for you , as though lack of maintenance would have been a contributing factor in face of 200 mile winds. Good Luck, Pat -----Original Message----- From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Tue, Nov 21, 2017 4:21 pm Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover Hello Pat, Been so busy I haven’t read many of the forum message for the last 9 days. But just read this one out of the blue. I don’t think I removed it from the vessel. I think know where it is (in the life raft storage). Once the vessel is raised (2 weeks?) I will remove it and see if it is ok. But I did save the cockpit extension. General information, as it might take me another week to have time to read the forum message. So if meanwhile you need to contact me, please email me directly to uster@... I just spent 55 hours searching and organizing all the invoices I could found on the maintenance I did for the last 5 years. My lawyers are pretty happy with the work (I don’t think the insurance will be). I still have a lot to do this week. Then will be back making the inventory. When things calm down, I will give a full detail report on the forum. Many of you will be VERY surprised and people insured through De Lassee should search for other insurances. Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 11/21/17, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, November 21, 2017, 2:53 PM Alex, Do you have the vinyl helm cover for sale. My wife threw ours away a couple years ago, can't tell you why , neither can she. I was hoping to find one to borrow and use as a template. I hope things are getting much better for you ,you've been thru Hell . Thanks, Pat SM Shenanigans
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Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
Duane Siegfri
Ignore my last, didn't read the subject line!
Duane
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Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
Duane Siegfri
James,
I'm just curious...is this your bilge pump? Duane Wanderer, SM#477
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
James Alton
Bill, James SV Sueno, Maramu #220
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Another thought on Toilet joker valves.
greatketch@...
While doing some work on our toilet system, I noticed another possible failure mode that will cause the joker valve to fail to seal and let "stuff" flow back into the toilet. We had a thread that explored a lot of possible causes of this unpleasant problem a little while ago. This is one possible cause I think we missed on that round of discussions. Hard "calcium" deposits build up in the discharge line from the toilet to the holding tank. It is possible for these deposits to accumulate in the fitting where the "tail" of the joker valves extends. The diameter of that fitting can shrink to the point that you install a perfect good new joker, but it is pinched in the fitting and held slightly open, causing the back flow that people have so much trouble with. Moral of the story: Be sure that fitting is clean to its full diameter every time you change the joker valve. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Fort Lauderdale, FL
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Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
greatketch@...
I used one of those Jabsco diaphragm pumps as a shower sump discharge. I think it lasted about a year. Sealand makes a pump that is much more robust than anything from Jabsco. The T-series discharge pump is likely the one you would want. Like this:
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http://amzn.to/2jzkzTD Technically, they are bellows pumps, not diaphragm pumps, and that is a good thing. No diaphragm to tear or wear. It is sometimes described as a "macerator" pump, but it is not, it does not need to be, it pumps all kinds of lumps and chunks without needing to chop it up. I used one of these for 15 years as part of my Vacuflush toilet in daily use. Changing the check valves occasionally was the only maintenance ever required. The check valves are the same kind of joker valve used in toilets. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Fort Lauderdale, FL ---In amelyachtowners@..., <jamessterling88@...> wrote : My boat has a Jabsco Model 59090-0012 Diaphragm pump that has failed. The pump is no longer manufactured. Parts may be difficult to find. Can anyone recommend a replacement diaphragm pump? James Sterling
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Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
James Sterling
My boat has a Jabsco Model 59090-0012 Diaphragm pump that has failed. The pump is no longer manufactured. Parts may be difficult to find. Can anyone recommend a replacement diaphragm pump?
James Sterling > S/V Longbow SM2K #418
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover
Ron Hynes <riffhynes@...>
Some years ago after the horrendous hurricane seasons of 2005-6 in Florida and elsewhere, discovery during a lawsuit involving a major insurer uncovered a voluminous report from one of the major management consulting firms (Peat, Marwick...if memory serves), that essentially recommended, “deny, deny, deny” as a successful tactic to minimize loses. This same report, almost verbatim, was disclosed in another lawsuit with another major insurer later in the year. Sad but true...you never know how good (or bad) your insurer is until you need it! I’ve had Pantaenius for a couple of years and had my first claim in more than 40 years of boating resolved painlessly to my satisfaction. Of course, they might drop me on renewal and I won’t be surprised. Similar to Alex, I was rammed in a marina in Norfolk about 15 years ago. The vessel causing the accident was insured by a company whose major business was insuring motorcycles. After months of negotiating and justifying my damages, my insurer stepped up and made me whole. They went to litigation over the incident and I never learned how it was settled, but my insurer dropped me under the pretense that I had placed my vessel in a vulnerable location in the marina. Against tide and wind. After striking me, he t-boned a ninety footer on the opposite side of the marina. I always wondered if his insurer though he was also in a vulnerable location! Ron Hynes 954.319.0944
On Nov 22, 2017, at 3:56 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Thanks, Mark,
We have read such mixed reviews about Emek. I think that all the Turkish yards have been hard hit by the exodus of yachts and the slump in the local currency and you can't help thinking that some of their business ethics have suffered.
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece
From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 30 November 2017 16:17:50 To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location We purchased the arch based on a recommendation from Pat (SM Shenanigans). We love it. The specs can be found on AtlanticArch web site. They have pictures of Pat’s Amel featured there. We purchased their heavy duty model with davits and solar mount kit.
We installed 2 LG315 panels https://www.emarineinc.com/LG-315W-Solar-Panel-Fixed-Frame
We also installed the davits. However, we do NOT use the davits for bluewater sailing. We stow the dink on the aft cabin coachtop when offshore. We will sail with the dink on the davits only when in protected waters or for lifting it at night. The arch easily supports the Highfield310 with 15hp motor. About 200 lbs.
We installed a padeye on the transom and added cables to prevent side to side sway of the arch. I put pelican hooks on the cables so we can quickly unfasten when not using the dink on the arch. You will need some type of sway protection.
If you are in Greece consider a trip to Turkey and have Emek install one of Riza’s arches.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising – St. Lucia, the crime island www.creampuff.us
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Hi Mark,
That's a really neat solution.
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM302, Greece From: amelyachtowners@...
on behalf of 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]
Cream Puff with an Atlantic Arch and new solar: http://www.creampuff.us/2016/08/free-solar-energy/
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising – St. Lucia, the crime island www.creampuff.us
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Mark, I met with them at the Annapolis show and spoke with them once or twice when ordering and they were fine , helpful. They now have sold several to Amel owners and know which one to sell you. It comes in a box and is easy to assemble / install , I think total time start to finish was maybe eight hours . Would have been a little less , but I chose to several inches off the tubes to lessen the height . I built my own solar frame and installed three panels , they are out of the way and are never in a shadow . I incorporated davits into my S.S. frame and it has been great to haul the dinghy for trips between the islands. Good Luck, Pat SM #123 -----Original Message-----
Hello All,
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location
We purchased the arch based on a recommendation from Pat (SM Shenanigans). We love it. The specs can be found on AtlanticArch web site. They have pictures of Pat’s Amel featured there. We purchased their heavy duty model with davits and solar mount kit.
We installed 2 LG315 panels https://www.emarineinc.com/LG-315W-Solar-Panel-Fixed-Frame
We also installed the davits. However, we do NOT use the davits for bluewater sailing. We stow the dink on the aft cabin coachtop when offshore. We will sail with the dink on the davits only when in protected waters or for lifting it at night. The arch easily supports the Highfield310 with 15hp motor. About 200 lbs.
We installed a padeye on the transom and added cables to prevent side to side sway of the arch. I put pelican hooks on the cables so we can quickly unfasten when not using the dink on the arch. You will need some type of sway protection.
If you are in Greece consider a trip to Turkey and have Emek install one of Riza’s arches.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising – St. Lucia, the crime island www.creampuff.us
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Hi Mark,
That's a really neat solution.
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM302, Greece
From: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: 30 November 2017 14:14:59 To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location
Cream Puff with an Atlantic Arch and new solar: http://www.creampuff.us/2016/08/free-solar-energy/
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising – St. Lucia, the crime island www.creampuff.us
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Mark, I met with them at the Annapolis show and spoke with them once or twice when ordering and they were fine , helpful. They now have sold several to Amel owners and know which one to sell you. It comes in a box and is easy to assemble / install , I think total time start to finish was maybe eight hours . Would have been a little less , but I chose to several inches off the tubes to lessen the height . I built my own solar frame and installed three panels , they are out of the way and are never in a shadow . I incorporated davits into my S.S. frame and it has been great to haul the dinghy for trips between the islands. Good Luck, Pat SM #123 -----Original Message-----
Hello All,
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Balmar Smart Guage
ericmeury@...
I'm about to install the Balmar Smart guage. on my Santorin. It can monitor both banks but it requires that both banks share a common ground. Does the Amel Start and House Banks share a common ground.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Hi Mark,
That's a really neat solution.
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM302, Greece
From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 30 November 2017 14:14:59 To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location Cream Puff with an Atlantic Arch and new solar: http://www.creampuff.us/2016/08/free-solar-energy/
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising – St. Lucia, the crime island www.creampuff.us
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Mark, I met with them at the Annapolis show and spoke with them once or twice when ordering and they were fine , helpful. They now have sold several to Amel owners and know which one to sell you. It comes in a box and is easy to assemble / install , I think total time start to finish was maybe eight hours . Would have been a little less , but I chose to several inches off the tubes to lessen the height . I built my own solar frame and installed three panels , they are out of the way and are never in a shadow . I incorporated davits into my S.S. frame and it has been great to haul the dinghy for trips between the islands. Good Luck, Pat SM #123 -----Original Message-----
Hello All,
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location
Cream Puff with an Atlantic Arch and new solar: http://www.creampuff.us/2016/08/free-solar-energy/
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising – St. Lucia, the crime island www.creampuff.us
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Mark, I met with them at the Annapolis show and spoke with them once or twice when ordering and they were fine , helpful. They now have sold several to Amel owners and know which one to sell you. It comes in a box and is easy to assemble / install , I think total time start to finish was maybe eight hours . Would have been a little less , but I chose to several inches off the tubes to lessen the height . I built my own solar frame and installed three panels , they are out of the way and are never in a shadow . I incorporated davits into my S.S. frame and it has been great to haul the dinghy for trips between the islands. Good Luck, Pat SM #123
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From: isaac_02906@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Wed, Nov 29, 2017 9:33 am Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location
Hello All,
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location
Patrick McAneny
Mark, I met with them at the Annapolis show and spoke with them once or twice when ordering and they were fine , helpful. They now have sold several to Amel owners and know which one to sell you. It comes in a box and is easy to assemble / install , I think total time start to finish was maybe eight hours . Would have been a little less , but I chose to several inches off the tubes to lessen the height . I built my own solar frame and installed three panels , they are out of the way and are never in a shadow . I incorporated a wind generator and davits into my S.S. frame and it has been great to haul the dinghy for trips between the islands. Here is a few photos of Amels with the arch installed.
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Here is a link to the website, sort by looking for Amel in the Manufacturer Sail drop down box.
http://www.atlantictowers.com/photofinder.php
Good Luck,
Pat SM #123
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From: isaac_02906@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Wed, Nov 29, 2017 9:33 am Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location Hello All,
I am considering adding solar to our SM and would like to know where members of the group have placed their panels and how they feel about their choice. Ours does not currently have an arch, but we are willing to add one should that be the best location. It looks like at least a few in the group have nice, clean installations using Atlantic Towers, and any feedback about their product and working with them would be appreciated. Mark SM #391 Ft. Lauderdale
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location
Patrick McAneny
Mark, I met with them at the Annapolis show and spoke with them once or twice when ordering and they were fine , helpful. They now have sold several to Amel owners and know which one to sell you. It comes in a box and is easy to assemble / install , I think total time start to finish was maybe eight hours . Would have been a little less , but I chose to several inches off the tubes to lessen the height . I built my own solar frame and installed three panels , they are out of the way and are never in a shadow . I incorporated davits into my S.S. frame and it has been great to haul the dinghy for trips between the islands.
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Good Luck,
Pat SM #123
-----Original Message----- From: isaac_02906@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Wed, Nov 29, 2017 9:33 am Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location Hello All,
I am considering adding solar to our SM and would like to know where members of the group have placed their panels and how they feel about their choice. Ours does not currently have an arch, but we are willing to add one should that be the best location. It looks like at least a few in the group have nice, clean installations using Atlantic Towers, and any feedback about their product and working with them would be appreciated. Mark SM #391 Ft. Lauderdale
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow light wiring gotcha
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
aaah, that explains it. Thanks Kent. Regards Danny
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Tonnage
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Redouan, Exactly. Gross and Net tons are calculated figures based on volume and have nothing to do with the vessel's weight. CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Nov 29, 2017 02:43, "Rédouan Assar red1assar@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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