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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

In my case, in Nassau (and once I am done with all that, I will write down everything), the opposite insurance of the powerboat that lost control hit my bow (no damage at this point), then “panic” and put tingfull reverse and that is what created the damages, so that insurance was Pantaenius.

Pantaenius told my insurance (De Lassee/Helvetia) that my boat was “longer” than the slip and only accepted 50% responsibility and ask me what was my opinion?!?
I replied I did not know, that as far as i am concerned was not at fault, so I (kind of) hired a legal (cost me diner) that said: “no the fact that the dock is not as long as the vessel doesn’t have anything to do, not a valid argument” so I replied that to my insurance.

Then Pantaenius came back and said: “as you said there was wind a current, so our customer is not at fault and we only accept 50% responsibility” - again Lassee/Helvetia ask my opinion.
Here again, I don’t know what to reply, as far as I am concerned not my fault. But again cost me another diner to get legal opinion. So in this case: “Wind and Current” could be a factor “IF” they were strong enough, like in the case of a tropical storm, but certainly not in that accident, so I replied that to my insurance.
At that point, I am questioning DeLassee/Helvetia don’t they know these things??? Why even asking me the question, like if I was at fault.
I could go on details where DeLassee told me: “We told you not to be in the US waters”.
First I was paying 30% more premium to sail in US water - but as I reminded Mr Geofrrey DeLasse, The Bahamas, are NOT part of the US water, it is a former British Colonie independent for 40 years (he never replied to that).

Then I could go on and on how difficult it was in Nassau to get quote for stainless, fiberglass, electrical, rigging, nobody wanted to accept responsibility if things did not fit, etc. took me 2 months… (out of these 2 months I spend 80 hours on that).

Then was Florida, I finally got a quote, the insurance said it was too expensive, took the 3 months to get another one (same price), then the insurance agreed I was not at fault, but it was not worth for the to hire a lawyer because of the small amount ($20.000).

So after 2 months in Nassau and 5 month in Florida, I gave up.
Then as I said, I got reimbursed $7000 and am still waiting for $3000, I signed many documents and every month I remind them, they acknowledge, etc.



--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 11/30/17, Ron Hynes riffhynes@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 30, 2017, 11:16 AM


 









Some years ago
after the horrendous hurricane seasons of 2005-6 in Florida
and elsewhere, discovery during a lawsuit involving a major
insurer uncovered a voluminous report from one of the major
management consulting firms (Peat, Marwick...if memory
serves), that essentially recommended, “deny, deny,
deny” as a successful tactic to minimize loses. This same
report, almost verbatim, was disclosed in another lawsuit
with another major insurer later in the year. Sad but
true...you never know how good (or bad) your insurer is
until you need it!
I’ve
had Pantaenius for a couple of years and had my first claim
in more than 40 years of boating resolved painlessly to my
satisfaction. Of course, they might drop me on renewal and I
won’t be surprised. 
Similar to Alex, I was rammed in a
marina in Norfolk about 15 years ago. The vessel causing the
accident was insured by a company whose major business was
insuring motorcycles. After months of negotiating and
justifying my damages, my insurer stepped up and made me
whole. They went to litigation over the incident and I never
learned how it was settled, but my insurer dropped me under
the pretense that I had placed my vessel in a vulnerable
location in the marina.  Against tide and wind.  After
striking me, he t-boned a ninety footer on the opposite side
of the marina. I always wondered if his insurer though he
was also in a vulnerable location!

Ron
Hynes954.319.0944
On Nov 22,
2017, at 3:56 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 






Hello Pat,



In Nassau, my insurance (Helvetia) agreed I was at zero
fault, but since the opposite insurance (Pantaenius) only
accepted 50% responsibility, Helvetia said it is not worth
the expense to hire a lawyer… (of course, not their
money).

We argued for 8 months until I gave up and accepted 50%
responsibility.



Repair work had not started that my insurance went up 15%…
(because I have a claim now).



Also every time I got a quote, Helvetia said it was too
expensive, that I had to look for a new one, etc. that took
7 months (2 months in Nassau) and 5 months in Florida.

It took them 3 months to find someone who charged almost the
same amount, but had to go up the river, etc. I end up
paying the guy myself.



Then 3.5 years later, I was paid $7000 am still being own
$3000.



I have heard good reviews for Pantaenius and was considering
to change.

I caution everyone who subscribe their insurance through De
Lassee or using Helvetia to rethink their policy.

Rafael is also insured with Helvetia, I urge him to hire a
lawyer, because they started doing the same thing with him.




Sincerely, Alexandre.



--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 11/22/17, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@aol.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2017, 7:01 AM





 



















Alex, I

had forgotten it was your boat that was hit in Nassau ,
I

remember how long that took to to resolve , if it was

resolved. You have had more than your share of damage
and

hassles with insurance/repairs . I have Pantaenius and

without a question , they replaced every piece of

electronics on my boat ($58,000) total , all new and
better

equipment , with no cost to me. So I can't bring

pressure , but if you are not treated fairly , I would
urge

owners insured with your company  to cancel their
policies

and sight your treatment for their cancellation . 

Stay Strong,



Pat



SM Shenanigans













-----Original

Message-----



From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



To: amelyachtowners

<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>



Sent: Wed, Nov 22, 2017 6:48 am



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover

















 



























Thanks Pat.











I hope the cover will be ok, may be because it was in a

compartment where water was not exposed to the sun (so
no

growth). Otherwise it is sad to see the growth slowly

taking over…











Based on my experience 3.5 years ago in Nassau (a boat
lost

control and damaged my bow pulpit) (and my insurance
agreed

I was at zero fault) I knew it would be a fight.





They are also doing the exact same thing with Rafael, I
will

write all about it.











Anyway, have a great day.











Sincerely, Alexandre











--------------------------------------------





On Tue, 11/21/17, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@aol.com

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:











Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover





To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com





Date: Tuesday, November 21, 2017, 4:01 PM

















 



























































Alex,





Keep me posted on the cover , being in water should not

have





hurt it much. Sorry your insurance co. is making things





worse for you , as though lack of maintenance would
have





been a contributing factor in face of 200 mile winds. 





Good Luck,











Pat





























-----Original





Message-----











From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com





[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>











To: amelyachtowners





<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>











Sent: Tue, Nov 21, 2017 4:21 pm











Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover





















































 



















































































Hello Pat,



































Been so busy I haven’t read many of the forum message

for





the last 9 days.

















But just read this one out of the blue.



































I don’t think I removed it from the vessel.

















I think know where it is (in the life raft storage).

















Once the vessel is raised (2 weeks?) I will remove it

and





see if it is ok.



































But I did save the cockpit extension.



































General information, as it might take me another week
to





have time to read the forum message. So if meanwhile
you





need to contact me, please email me directly to uster@rocketmail.com



































I just spent 55 hours searching and organizing all the





invoices I could found on the maintenance I did for the

last





5 years.

















My lawyers are pretty happy with the work (I don’t

think





the insurance will be).

















I still have a lot to do this week.

















Then will be back making the inventory.



































When things calm down, I will give a full detail report

on





the forum.

















Many of you will be VERY surprised and people insured





through De Lassee should search for other insurances.



































Sincerely, Alexandre



































--------------------------------------------

















On Tue, 11/21/17, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@aol.com





[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>





wrote:



































Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover

















To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

















Date: Tuesday, November 21, 2017, 2:53 PM





















































 



















































































































































































Alex, Do

















you have the vinyl helm cover for sale. My wife threw





ours

















away a couple years ago, can't tell you why ,





neither

















can she. I was hoping to find one to borrow and use as

a

















template. I hope things are getting much better for
you

















,you've been thru Hell .

















Thanks, 



































Pat



































SM Shenanigans


Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.

Duane Siegfri
 

Ignore my last, didn't read the subject line!

Duane


Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.

Duane Siegfri
 

James,

I'm just curious...is this your bilge pump?

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.

James Alton
 

Bill,

I have had very good luck with the Sealand T-series pumps on customer boats for more than 20 years.  As Bill says these things will pump just about anything and survive.  I have even accidentally pumped small rocks through one without any damage.   They are designed to pull a significant vacuum so can deal with gooey pickup issues that a lesser pump cannot handle.  I did not realize that these were now available on Amazon, thanks for the link.

James
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Nov 30, 2017, at 2:15 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I used one of those Jabsco diaphragm pumps as a shower sump discharge.  I think it lasted about a year.  Sealand makes a pump that is much more robust than anything from Jabsco.  The T-series discharge pump is likely the one you would want.  Like this:


http://amzn.to/2jzkzTD

Technically, they are bellows pumps, not diaphragm pumps, and that is a good thing.  No diaphragm to tear or wear.  It is sometimes described as a "macerator" pump, but it is not, it does not need to be, it pumps all kinds of lumps and chunks without needing to chop it up.

I used one of these for 15 years as part of my Vacuflush toilet in daily use.  Changing the check valves occasionally was the only maintenance ever required.  The check valves are the same kind of joker valve used in toilets.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

My boat has a Jabsco Model 59090-0012 Diaphragm pump that has failed.  The pump is no longer manufactured.  Parts may be difficult to find.  Can anyone recommend a replacement diaphragm pump?

James Sterling

> S/V Longbow SM2K #418




Another thought on Toilet joker valves.

greatketch@...
 

While doing some work on our toilet system, I noticed another possible failure mode that will cause the joker valve to fail to seal and let "stuff" flow back into the toilet.  We had a thread that explored a lot of possible causes of this unpleasant problem a little while ago.  This is one possible cause I think we missed on that round of discussions.


Hard "calcium" deposits build up in the discharge line from the toilet to the holding tank.  It is possible for these  deposits to accumulate in the fitting where the "tail" of the joker valves extends.  The diameter of that fitting can shrink to the point that you install a perfect good new joker, but it is pinched in the fitting and held slightly open, causing the back flow that people have so much trouble with.  


Moral of the story:  Be sure that fitting is clean to its full diameter every time you change the joker valve.


Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Fort Lauderdale, FL


Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.

greatketch@...
 

I used one of those Jabsco diaphragm pumps as a shower sump discharge.  I think it lasted about a year.  Sealand makes a pump that is much more robust than anything from Jabsco.  The T-series discharge pump is likely the one you would want.  Like this:

http://amzn.to/2jzkzTD

Technically, they are bellows pumps, not diaphragm pumps, and that is a good thing.  No diaphragm to tear or wear.  It is sometimes described as a "macerator" pump, but it is not, it does not need to be, it pumps all kinds of lumps and chunks without needing to chop it up.

I used one of these for 15 years as part of my Vacuflush toilet in daily use.  Changing the check valves occasionally was the only maintenance ever required.  The check valves are the same kind of joker valve used in toilets.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL



---In amelyachtowners@..., <jamessterling88@...> wrote :

My boat has a Jabsco Model 59090-0012 Diaphragm pump that has failed.  The pump is no longer manufactured.  Parts may be difficult to find.  Can anyone recommend a replacement diaphragm pump?

James Sterling

> S/V Longbow SM2K #418


Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.

James Sterling
 

My boat has a Jabsco Model 59090-0012 Diaphragm pump that has failed.  The pump is no longer manufactured.  Parts may be difficult to find.  Can anyone recommend a replacement diaphragm pump?

James Sterling

> S/V Longbow SM2K #418



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover

Ron Hynes <riffhynes@...>
 

Some years ago after the horrendous hurricane seasons of 2005-6 in Florida and elsewhere, discovery during a lawsuit involving a major insurer uncovered a voluminous report from one of the major management consulting firms (Peat, Marwick...if memory serves), that essentially recommended, “deny, deny, deny” as a successful tactic to minimize loses. This same report, almost verbatim, was disclosed in another lawsuit with another major insurer later in the year. Sad but true...you never know how good (or bad) your insurer is until you need it!

I’ve had Pantaenius for a couple of years and had my first claim in more than 40 years of boating resolved painlessly to my satisfaction. Of course, they might drop me on renewal and I won’t be surprised. 

Similar to Alex, I was rammed in a marina in Norfolk about 15 years ago. The vessel causing the accident was insured by a company whose major business was insuring motorcycles. After months of negotiating and justifying my damages, my insurer stepped up and made me whole. They went to litigation over the incident and I never learned how it was settled, but my insurer dropped me under the pretense that I had placed my vessel in a vulnerable location in the marina.  Against tide and wind.  After striking me, he t-boned a ninety footer on the opposite side of the marina. I always wondered if his insurer though he was also in a vulnerable location!

Ron Hynes
954.319.0944

On Nov 22, 2017, at 3:56 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Pat,

In Nassau, my insurance (Helvetia) agreed I was at zero fault, but since the opposite insurance (Pantaenius) only accepted 50% responsibility, Helvetia said it is not worth the expense to hire a lawyer… (of course, not their money).
We argued for 8 months until I gave up and accepted 50% responsibility.

Repair work had not started that my insurance went up 15%… (because I have a claim now).

Also every time I got a quote, Helvetia said it was too expensive, that I had to look for a new one, etc. that took 7 months (2 months in Nassau) and 5 months in Florida.
It took them 3 months to find someone who charged almost the same amount, but had to go up the river, etc. I end up paying the guy myself.

Then 3.5 years later, I was paid $7000 am still being own $3000.

I have heard good reviews for Pantaenius and was considering to change.
I caution everyone who subscribe their insurance through De Lassee or using Helvetia to rethink their policy.
Rafael is also insured with Helvetia, I urge him to hire a lawyer, because they started doing the same thing with him.

Sincerely, Alexandre.

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 11/22/17, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2017, 7:01 AM


 









Alex, I
had forgotten it was your boat that was hit in Nassau , I
remember how long that took to to resolve , if it was
resolved. You have had more than your share of damage and
hassles with insurance/repairs . I have Pantaenius and
without a question , they replaced every piece of
electronics on my boat ($58,000) total , all new and better
equipment , with no cost to me. So I can't bring
pressure , but if you are not treated fairly , I would urge
owners insured with your company  to cancel their policies
and sight your treatment for their cancellation . 
Stay Strong,

Pat

SM Shenanigans






-----Original
Message-----

From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

To: amelyachtowners
<amelyachtowners@...>

Sent: Wed, Nov 22, 2017 6:48 am

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover








 













Thanks Pat.





I hope the cover will be ok, may be because it was in a
compartment where water was not exposed to the sun (so no
growth). Otherwise it is sad to see the growth slowly
taking over…





Based on my experience 3.5 years ago in Nassau (a boat lost
control and damaged my bow pulpit) (and my insurance agreed
I was at zero fault) I knew it would be a fight.


They are also doing the exact same thing with Rafael, I will
write all about it.





Anyway, have a great day.





Sincerely, Alexandre





--------------------------------------------


On Tue, 11/21/17, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:





Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover


To: amelyachtowners@...


Date: Tuesday, November 21, 2017, 4:01 PM








 





























Alex,


Keep me posted on the cover , being in water should not
have


hurt it much. Sorry your insurance co. is making things


worse for you , as though lack of maintenance would have


been a contributing factor in face of 200 mile winds. 


Good Luck,





Pat














-----Original


Message-----





From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...


[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>





To: amelyachtowners


<amelyachtowners@...>





Sent: Tue, Nov 21, 2017 4:21 pm





Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover


























 









































Hello Pat,

















Been so busy I haven’t read many of the forum message
for


the last 9 days.








But just read this one out of the blue.

















I don’t think I removed it from the vessel.








I think know where it is (in the life raft storage).








Once the vessel is raised (2 weeks?) I will remove it
and


see if it is ok.

















But I did save the cockpit extension.

















General information, as it might take me another week to


have time to read the forum message. So if meanwhile you


need to contact me, please email me directly to uster@...

















I just spent 55 hours searching and organizing all the


invoices I could found on the maintenance I did for the
last


5 years.








My lawyers are pretty happy with the work (I don’t
think


the insurance will be).








I still have a lot to do this week.








Then will be back making the inventory.

















When things calm down, I will give a full detail report
on


the forum.








Many of you will be VERY surprised and people insured


through De Lassee should search for other insurances.

















Sincerely, Alexandre

















--------------------------------------------








On Tue, 11/21/17, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@...


[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>


wrote:

















Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Helm cover








To: amelyachtowners@...








Date: Tuesday, November 21, 2017, 2:53 PM


























 

























































































Alex, Do








you have the vinyl helm cover for sale. My wife threw


ours








away a couple years ago, can't tell you why ,


neither








can she. I was hoping to find one to borrow and use as
a








template. I hope things are getting much better for you








,you've been thru Hell .








Thanks, 

















Pat

















SM Shenanigans




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Thanks, Mark,


We have read such mixed reviews about Emek. I think that all the Turkish yards have been hard hit by the exodus of yachts and the slump in the local currency and you can't help thinking  that some of their business ethics have suffered.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 30 November 2017 16:17:50
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location
 

We purchased the arch based on a recommendation from Pat (SM Shenanigans). We love it. The specs can be found on AtlanticArch web site. They have pictures of Pat’s Amel featured there. We purchased their heavy duty model with davits and solar mount kit.

 

We installed 2  LG315 panels https://www.emarineinc.com/LG-315W-Solar-Panel-Fixed-Frame

 

We also installed the davits. However, we do NOT use the davits for bluewater sailing. We stow the dink on the aft cabin coachtop when offshore. We will sail with the dink on the davits only when in protected waters or for lifting it at night. The arch easily supports the Highfield310 with 15hp motor. About 200 lbs.

 

We installed a padeye on the transom and added cables to prevent side to side sway of the arch. I put pelican hooks on the cables so we can quickly unfasten when not using the dink on the arch. You will need some type of sway protection.

 

If you are in Greece consider a trip to Turkey and have Emek install one of Riza’s arches.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising – St. Lucia, the crime island

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 11:20 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

 

 

Hi Mark,

 

That's a really neat solution.

  1. Do you have the specifications of this arch  or can they be found at Atlantic ( whose own photos of an Amel are terrible--taken at sunset )
  2. What size panels did you fit ?
  3. Do you also use the arch as davits and if so can you say what your experience is ?

 

       Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM302, Greece


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 30 November 2017 14:14:59
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

 

Cream Puff with an Atlantic Arch and new solar: http://www.creampuff.us/2016/08/free-solar-energy/

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising – St. Lucia, the crime island

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 9:17 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

 

 

Mark, I met with them at the Annapolis show and spoke with them once or twice when ordering and they were fine , helpful.  They now have sold several to Amel owners and know which one to sell you. It comes in a box and is easy to assemble / install , I think total time start to finish was maybe eight hours . Would have been a little less , but I chose to several inches off the tubes to lessen the height . I built my own solar frame and installed three panels , they are out of the way and are never in a shadow . I incorporated davits into my S.S. frame and it has been great to haul the dinghy for trips between the islands.

Good Luck,

Pat SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: isaac_02906@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners Sent: Wed, Nov 29, 2017 9:33 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

 

Hello All,

I am considering adding solar to our SM and would like to know where members of the group have placed their panels and how they feel about their choice.  Ours does not currently have an arch, but we are willing to add one should that be the best location.  It looks like at least a few in the group have nice, clean installations using Atlantic Towers, and any feedback about their product and working with them would be appreciated.

Mark
SM #391
Ft. Lauderdale

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

Mark Erdos
 

We purchased the arch based on a recommendation from Pat (SM Shenanigans). We love it. The specs can be found on AtlanticArch web site. They have pictures of Pat’s Amel featured there. We purchased their heavy duty model with davits and solar mount kit.

 

We installed 2  LG315 panels https://www.emarineinc.com/LG-315W-Solar-Panel-Fixed-Frame

 

We also installed the davits. However, we do NOT use the davits for bluewater sailing. We stow the dink on the aft cabin coachtop when offshore. We will sail with the dink on the davits only when in protected waters or for lifting it at night. The arch easily supports the Highfield310 with 15hp motor. About 200 lbs.

 

We installed a padeye on the transom and added cables to prevent side to side sway of the arch. I put pelican hooks on the cables so we can quickly unfasten when not using the dink on the arch. You will need some type of sway protection.

 

If you are in Greece consider a trip to Turkey and have Emek install one of Riza’s arches.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising – St. Lucia, the crime island

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 11:20 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

 

 

Hi Mark,

 

That's a really neat solution.

  1. Do you have the specifications of this arch  or can they be found at Atlantic ( whose own photos of an Amel are terrible--taken at sunset )
  2. What size panels did you fit ?
  3. Do you also use the arch as davits and if so can you say what your experience is ?

 

       Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM302, Greece


From: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: 30 November 2017 14:14:59
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

 

Cream Puff with an Atlantic Arch and new solar: http://www.creampuff.us/2016/08/free-solar-energy/

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising – St. Lucia, the crime island

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 9:17 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

 

 

Mark, I met with them at the Annapolis show and spoke with them once or twice when ordering and they were fine , helpful.  They now have sold several to Amel owners and know which one to sell you. It comes in a box and is easy to assemble / install , I think total time start to finish was maybe eight hours . Would have been a little less , but I chose to several inches off the tubes to lessen the height . I built my own solar frame and installed three panels , they are out of the way and are never in a shadow . I incorporated davits into my S.S. frame and it has been great to haul the dinghy for trips between the islands.

Good Luck,

Pat SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: isaac_02906@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Nov 29, 2017 9:33 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

 

Hello All,

I am considering adding solar to our SM and would like to know where members of the group have placed their panels and how they feel about their choice.  Ours does not currently have an arch, but we are willing to add one should that be the best location.  It looks like at least a few in the group have nice, clean installations using Atlantic Towers, and any feedback about their product and working with them would be appreciated.

Mark
SM #391
Ft. Lauderdale

 


Balmar Smart Guage

ericmeury@...
 

I'm about to install the Balmar Smart guage. on my Santorin.


It can monitor both banks but it requires that both banks share a common ground.


Does the Amel Start and House Banks share a common ground.




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Mark,


That's a really neat solution.

  1. Do you have the specifications of this arch  or can they be found at Atlantic ( whose own photos of an Amel are terrible--taken at sunset )
  2. What size panels did you fit ?
  3. Do you also use the arch as davits and if so can you say what your experience is ?

       Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM302, Greece


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 30 November 2017 14:14:59
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location
 

Cream Puff with an Atlantic Arch and new solar: http://www.creampuff.us/2016/08/free-solar-energy/

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising – St. Lucia, the crime island

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 9:17 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

 

 

Mark, I met with them at the Annapolis show and spoke with them once or twice when ordering and they were fine , helpful.  They now have sold several to Amel owners and know which one to sell you. It comes in a box and is easy to assemble / install , I think total time start to finish was maybe eight hours . Would have been a little less , but I chose to several inches off the tubes to lessen the height . I built my own solar frame and installed three panels , they are out of the way and are never in a shadow . I incorporated davits into my S.S. frame and it has been great to haul the dinghy for trips between the islands.

Good Luck,

Pat SM #123

-----Original Message-----
From: isaac_02906@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Nov 29, 2017 9:33 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

 

Hello All,

I am considering adding solar to our SM and would like to know where members of the group have placed their panels and how they feel about their choice.  Ours does not currently have an arch, but we are willing to add one should that be the best location.  It looks like at least a few in the group have nice, clean installations using Atlantic Towers, and any feedback about their product and working with them would be appreciated.

Mark
SM #391
Ft. Lauderdale

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

Mark Erdos
 

Cream Puff with an Atlantic Arch and new solar: http://www.creampuff.us/2016/08/free-solar-energy/

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising – St. Lucia, the crime island

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 9:17 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

 

 

Mark, I met with them at the Annapolis show and spoke with them once or twice when ordering and they were fine , helpful.  They now have sold several to Amel owners and know which one to sell you. It comes in a box and is easy to assemble / install , I think total time start to finish was maybe eight hours . Would have been a little less , but I chose to several inches off the tubes to lessen the height . I built my own solar frame and installed three panels , they are out of the way and are never in a shadow . I incorporated davits into my S.S. frame and it has been great to haul the dinghy for trips between the islands.

Good Luck,

Pat SM #123

-----Original Message-----
From: isaac_02906@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Nov 29, 2017 9:33 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

 

Hello All,

I am considering adding solar to our SM and would like to know where members of the group have placed their panels and how they feel about their choice.  Ours does not currently have an arch, but we are willing to add one should that be the best location.  It looks like at least a few in the group have nice, clean installations using Atlantic Towers, and any feedback about their product and working with them would be appreciated.

Mark
SM #391
Ft. Lauderdale

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

Patrick McAneny
 

Mark, I met with them at the Annapolis show and spoke with them once or twice when ordering and they were fine , helpful.  They now have sold several to Amel owners and know which one to sell you. It comes in a box and is easy to assemble / install , I think total time start to finish was maybe eight hours . Would have been a little less , but I chose to several inches off the tubes to lessen the height . I built my own solar frame and installed three panels , they are out of the way and are never in a shadow . I incorporated a wind generator and  davits into my S.S. frame and it has been great to haul the dinghy for trips between the islands. Here is a few photos of Amels with the arch installed.
Here is a link to the website, sort by looking for Amel in the Manufacturer Sail drop down box.

http://www.atlantictowers.com/photofinder.php

Good Luck,
Pat SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: isaac_02906@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Nov 29, 2017 9:33 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

 
Hello All,

I am considering adding solar to our SM and would like to know where members of the group have placed their panels and how they feel about their choice.  Ours does not currently have an arch, but we are willing to add one should that be the best location.  It looks like at least a few in the group have nice, clean installations using Atlantic Towers, and any feedback about their product and working with them would be appreciated.

Mark
SM #391
Ft. Lauderdale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

Patrick McAneny
 

Mark, I met with them at the Annapolis show and spoke with them once or twice when ordering and they were fine , helpful.  They now have sold several to Amel owners and know which one to sell you. It comes in a box and is easy to assemble / install , I think total time start to finish was maybe eight hours . Would have been a little less , but I chose to several inches off the tubes to lessen the height . I built my own solar frame and installed three panels , they are out of the way and are never in a shadow . I incorporated davits into my S.S. frame and it has been great to haul the dinghy for trips between the islands.
Good Luck,
Pat SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: isaac_02906@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Nov 29, 2017 9:33 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

 
Hello All,

I am considering adding solar to our SM and would like to know where members of the group have placed their panels and how they feel about their choice.  Ours does not currently have an arch, but we are willing to add one should that be the best location.  It looks like at least a few in the group have nice, clean installations using Atlantic Towers, and any feedback about their product and working with them would be appreciated.

Mark
SM #391
Ft. Lauderdale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow light wiring gotcha

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

aaah, that explains it.

Thanks Kent.

Regards

Danny

On 30 November 2017 at 10:52 "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

No, Danny, a steel wire- fishing tape, 1/4"wide.

Kent
S/V Kristy
Hi Kent,

was it a steel measuring tape you used? Mine would be too wide for the job?

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 27 November 2017 at 19:34 "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Dean.  I don't know how the 54 bow pulpit compares to the SM 2000, but on Kristy, I was able to use a steel tape starting at the exit by the starboard light and retrieving it at the bottom of the stanchion.  I attached a small line to the end of the tape and retrieved it at the stanchion without getting the steel tape out.  I then pulled a larger line through, then pulled the new cable through using some lubricant designed for pulling wires.  I felt really lucky after doing exactly what you did.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243

On Nov 25, 2017, at 11:40, trifin@... wrote:

 

 

When I bought my 54 in August, the bowlight was not working.  Anyway, Lopo were great and sent me a new light free of charge.  Today I have been attempting to connect the new light, which has ended in a little disaster!


It was quite a challenge to remove the old cable which runs inside the pulpit rail with a 90degree corner at the front another maybe 70 deg corner at the aft end of the rail before going into the cockpit locker.


Eventually I succeeded in pulling the old cable through with a 3mm mouse line attached, leaving the mouse line to pull the new cable through. All good so far!


I then tried to pull the new cable through and only succeeded in breaking the mouse line before getting the new cable past the first 90 deg corner.  😡  The break was at the foot of the rail, where there must be a sharp edge which cut through the mouse cord. Maybe I should have a used a wire mouse line!


So, where does this leave me ?  Is there any clever way to recover from this and get the new cable through the pulpit rail?  


Time to open that bottle of wine Wolfgang. At least it's warm in here now :-)


Cheers

Dean

SY Stella


 

 


 

 

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Tonnage

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 


Redouan,

Exactly. Gross and Net tons are calculated figures based on volume and have nothing to do with the vessel's weight.

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Nov 29, 2017 02:43, "Rédouan Assar red1assar@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello, 


From my humble experience with tonnage calculations when designing and registering fishing vessels I believe the tonnage is linked to the volume of the boat, not its weight and is referring to ancient cargoes of barils or ‘tonneau’ in french.

I recommend that you ask amel as they can easily give you this from the linesplan or you need to spend some time out of the water with a theodolite and pick up the hull lines to calculate the volume. You then use the class formulae to get the tonnage value required by your specific country of registry. 

It is interesting that it is required for Sailing boat of this size, usually in Europe it is for commercial vessels above 24m, hence many fishermen asking for 23.95m boats!

Redouan

On 29 Nov 2017, at 08:42, seagasm@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Don't get confused with Tonnes (metric) and Tons (imperial). Tonne is an alternate spelling used to describe a metric ton. It is almost never used in American English, but it is widely used outside of the United States. Again, a tonne, also known as a metric ton, is a unit of measurement equal to 1,000 kilograms. A tonne is larger than a U.S. ton.

Best Regards
Barry & Robyn
Tradewinds III SM # 171


Watermaker low pressure pump for 160 lph unit

eric freedman
 

Has anyone had good luck with a replacement low pressure lift pump for the Dessalator 160 LPH watermaker

Other than a Calpeda?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow light wiring gotcha

karkauai
 

No, Danny, a steel wire- fishing tape, 1/4"wide.

Kent
S/V Kristy
Hi Kent,

was it a steel measuring tape you used? Mine would be too wide for the job?

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 27 November 2017 at 19:34 "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Dean.  I don't know how the 54 bow pulpit compares to the SM 2000, but on Kristy, I was able to use a steel tape starting at the exit by the starboard light and retrieving it at the bottom of the stanchion.  I attached a small line to the end of the tape and retrieved it at the stanchion without getting the steel tape out.  I then pulled a larger line through, then pulled the new cable through using some lubricant designed for pulling wires.  I felt really lucky after doing exactly what you did.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243

On Nov 25, 2017, at 11:40, trifin@... wrote:

 

 

When I bought my 54 in August, the bowlight was not working.  Anyway, Lopo were great and sent me a new light free of charge.  Today I have been attempting to connect the new light, which has ended in a little disaster!


It was quite a challenge to remove the old cable which runs inside the pulpit rail with a 90degree corner at the front another maybe 70 deg corner at the aft end of the rail before going into the cockpit locker.


Eventually I succeeded in pulling the old cable through with a 3mm mouse line attached, leaving the mouse line to pull the new cable through. All good so far!


I then tried to pull the new cable through and only succeeded in breaking the mouse line before getting the new cable past the first 90 deg corner.  😡  The break was at the foot of the rail, where there must be a sharp edge which cut through the mouse cord. Maybe I should have a used a wire mouse line!


So, where does this leave me ?  Is there any clever way to recover from this and get the new cable through the pulpit rail?  


Time to open that bottle of wine Wolfgang. At least it's warm in here now :-)


Cheers

Dean

SY Stella


 

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Tom and Kirstin,

My panels are 130 watt if I remember correctly, it was 8 years ago. I posted photos on the forum so you should be able to find them. If not I will photo again, but not immediately. If you can I advise putting them both on the Port side. They do restrict access down the side deck slightly and I think it best to limit this to one side. If you put them one each side I think you would find that irritating. Because I was considering changing to a different location I ran the wiring down a rail upright, across the deck and up and over at the back of the cockpit into the large port cockpit locker. Cable tied the wires to the base of the mizzen stay. From there I drilled through into the small locker and through to where the mizzen wiring goes and thence back to the front of the battery compartment to a solar panel controller, and then to the batteries.

The intention was to do  a more standard process of drilling through the deck etc later. BUT, the wiring is so unobtrusive and effective I have left is as is. It is a long run so use appropriate cabling size. Because you can get sun and no wind and wind and no sun I also have a "super wind" 350 watt wind generator on top of the mizzen. This is an expensive German unit with self feathering blades capable of withstanding very high winds. Very happy with both systems.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl


On 30 November 2017 at 08:54 "thomas.kleman" <no_reply@...> wrote:

 

Hey Danny- we are just about to fit 210 w solar panels on our rails port and starboard using your 1/3 in 2/3 out approach with a similar hardware configuration. Just wondering how big your panels are that require no additional bracing ? We are designing and purchasing things away from the boat (not optimal, but necessary).


Also, we're looking at several wiring diagrams and have seen a lot of different setups (i.e. fusing both before and after the MPPT controller, on-off toggle for power, ammeter location, etc. Anything you learned from wiring this would be appreciated.


Tom and Kirstin
L'ORIENT
SM2K # 422