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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thuster Control Box

Ryan Meador
 

I made two assumptions that are perhaps incorrect: I assumed that the lights share a buzzer via a pair of diodes at the helm, thus if a light is on, the buzzer is also on; and I assumed that the sensors cut power to the up/down motor at the same time they activate the light/buzzer.  I think I have seen such circuitry for the former in my boat, but who knows if it is original or if I'm remembering correctly.  Does anyone have electrical schematics for this whole system?  I don't believe it is in the pile of schematics I have, but I will try to remember to check.  It is not doing anything complicated, so we should be able to reverse engineer it even if we can't figure out how the old ones work.  Maybe I'll create a schematic this weekend if nobody has one already.

Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Chuck,

on SM 299 the bow thruster has sensors clamped to the ram that lifts and lowers the thruster. These need to be properly positioned. The clamps can be loosened and the (little oblong black boxes) moved up or down as they set the start and stop points. Position by trial and error. 

Regards

Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 01 December 2017 at 11:00 "clacey9@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Hi All,

I have been stricken with the dreaded bow thruster burn up! This has happened to a few of you so I am reaching out because we are stuck for a fix. The usual story - Hole in BT is sitting slightly higher than the pin-lock. The up-sensor was a bit erratic and probably allowed the BT to go up to high and jamming the up-down rod. My model does not have a fuse and sure enough we burnt up the motor. I now have a shiny new fabriqué en France motor and it is installed. When commanding the motor to go up from the helm it goes up. When commanding to go down it buzzes like it is already down. Rod does not move down. We are thinking it is one of the orange relays on the circuit board. We changed the diodes out to be sure it was not them. Does that sound right? Any ideas would be appreciated. We are trying to leave and this is keeping us dockside. Thanks in advance.

Chuck

s/v Joy

SM2K #388

 

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

Ian Townsend
 

We installed the Atlantic Towers arch three years ago. Been very satisfied with it. But like others, not comfortable with the lateral sway. Using mostly standard rail hardware and a length of 1" SS rail, we fastened one end about halfway up the aft leg of the arch (attached to an Atlantic Towers collar) and the other to the deck just fwd of where the transom begins. We like the stiffness this brings to the entire fixture.

Ian Townsend
SM153
Loca Lola II 
New River, Fort Lauderdale, FL


On Dec 1, 2017, at 10:20 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Mark,
I just added an Atlantic Towers arch with solar on the arch.  I added 4 150watt panels.  The supports for the panels sold by Atlantic Towers didn't work with my panels and new supports were manufactured.  Atlantic didn't want to take their supports back, so I have them for sale.
Craig Briggs helped me install the arch...it took 2 1/2 days after a couple of mis-starts.  The install is straightforward and clean.  I used the supplied backing plates.  There is some side-to-side movement which I am so far dealing with when at sea with crossing lines from the arch to the aft cleats.  Attaching the arch to the lifelines helps some, but I will probably add removable cables angling from the arch to a pad-eye in the center of the deck below the aft lifeline.  I would use them when at sea, and remove them (at least the starboard one) when at anchor or med-moored.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi,

With those tall arches and the tendency for sway I would be concerned about the stress on the fiberglass where the mountings are attached. That sway would translate into considerable lever action on the mounting points. Over time watch for star fracturing of the gel coat. 

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl


On 02 December 2017 at 04:20 "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Mark,
I just added an Atlantic Towers arch with solar on the arch.  I added 4 150watt panels.  The supports for the panels sold by Atlantic Towers didn't work with my panels and new supports were manufactured.  Atlantic didn't want to take their supports back, so I have them for sale.
Craig Briggs helped me install the arch...it took 2 1/2 days after a couple of mis-starts.  The install is straightforward and clean.  I used the supplied backing plates.  There is some side-to-side movement which I am so far dealing with when at sea with crossing lines from the arch to the aft cleats.  Attaching the arch to the lifelines helps some, but I will probably add removable cables angling from the arch to a pad-eye in the center of the deck below the aft lifeline.  I would use them when at sea, and remove them (at least the starboard one) when at anchor or med-moored.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243
 

 


 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thuster Control Box

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Chuck,

on SM 299 the bow thruster has sensors clamped to the ram that lifts and lowers the thruster. These need to be properly positioned. The clamps can be loosened and the (little oblong black boxes) moved up or down as they set the start and stop points. Position by trial and error. 

Regards

Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 01 December 2017 at 11:00 "clacey9@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi All,

I have been stricken with the dreaded bow thruster burn up! This has happened to a few of you so I am reaching out because we are stuck for a fix. The usual story - Hole in BT is sitting slightly higher than the pin-lock. The up-sensor was a bit erratic and probably allowed the BT to go up to high and jamming the up-down rod. My model does not have a fuse and sure enough we burnt up the motor. I now have a shiny new fabriqué en France motor and it is installed. When commanding the motor to go up from the helm it goes up. When commanding to go down it buzzes like it is already down. Rod does not move down. We are thinking it is one of the orange relays on the circuit board. We changed the diodes out to be sure it was not them. Does that sound right? Any ideas would be appreciated. We are trying to leave and this is keeping us dockside. Thanks in advance.

Chuck

s/v Joy

SM2K #388

 

 


 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.

James Sterling
 

Most of the Jabsco 'designated' bilge pumps of this type such as their belt driven bellows/diaphragm models range from 3.5 to 8 gpm.  I think my current model is around 5 gpm.  I'm betting the original Amel pump was close to that also but may be wrong.  I see no reason the Sealand wouldn't serve as a replacement. All suggestions so far have been in the same general area.


S/V Longbow SM2K #418






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On Thursday, November 30, 2017, 4:17:55 PM CST, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Oops, typo.  The T series pump is supposed to be rated at 300 GPH, not GPM,  sorry for not proof reading my previous post more carefully.


James
SV Suneno,  Maramu #220

On Nov 30, 2017, at 5:52 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Duane,


   No, my boat still has the original Amel installed diaphragm pump.  The T series pumps that I have had experience with were used for black water tank pump out.  So far none of my customers has managed to clog or kill one of these pumps.  The pump is supposed to move 300 GPM so I think it might be a little small for a primary bilge pump.  I suspect that this pump could be quite reliable as a bilge pump but do not have any experience to support that.  One concern would be whether the rubber used in the pump can handle oil that might be in the bilge,  perhaps someone knows?

James
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Nov 30, 2017, at 3:54 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James,


I'm just curious...is this your bilge pump?

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thuster Control Box

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Ok a bit more clarification trying not to repeat myself. When the helm command is disconnected the ram can be lowered and raised directly from the power supply in the BT compartment. All three sensors light correctly. When connected back up and commanded from the helm I get this. Command up ram works, sensors work and ram works. Command down and buzzer immediately buzzes and but no sensor light and no ram movement down. Any ideas what else to look for in this circuit.

Thx,
Chuck
s/v Joy

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 3:00 PM, clacey9@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi All,

I have been stricken with the dreaded bow thruster burn up! This has happened to a few of you so I am reaching out because we are stuck for a fix. The usual story - Hole in BT is sitting slightly higher than the pin-lock. The up-sensor was a bit erratic and probably allowed the BT to go up to high and jamming the up-down rod. My model does not have a fuse and sure enough we burnt up the motor. I now have a shiny new fabriqué en France motor and it is installed. When commanding the motor to go up from the helm it goes up. When commanding to go down it buzzes like it is already down. Rod does not move down. We are thinking it is one of the orange relays on the circuit board. We changed the diodes out to be sure it was not them. Does that sound right? Any ideas would be appreciated. We are trying to leave and this is keeping us dockside. Thanks in advance.

Chuck

s/v Joy

SM2K #388

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

karkauai
 

Hi Mark,
I just added an Atlantic Towers arch with solar on the arch.  I added 4 150watt panels.  The supports for the panels sold by Atlantic Towers didn't work with my panels and new supports were manufactured.  Atlantic didn't want to take their supports back, so I have them for sale.
Craig Briggs helped me install the arch...it took 2 1/2 days after a couple of mis-starts.  The install is straightforward and clean.  I used the supplied backing plates.  There is some side-to-side movement which I am so far dealing with when at sea with crossing lines from the arch to the aft cleats.  Attaching the arch to the lifelines helps some, but I will probably add removable cables angling from the arch to a pad-eye in the center of the deck below the aft lifeline.  I would use them when at sea, and remove them (at least the starboard one) when at anchor or med-moored.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Quantity and Type of Primary Rode

karkauai
 

I'm happy with 300ft of G40 10mm chain. When I replaced the 15 year old chain (200ft) I added another 100ft. The added weight seems to improve motion when hard on the wind in a sea (less slamming). I rarely anchor in water deeper than 30ft, but the extra rode is a plus when it's unavoidable.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

[Amel Yacht Owners] Swimming platform

Sv Garulfo
 

Hello,

We need to make some changes to our swimming platform.
Has anyone needed to/managed to separate the two pieces of fibreglass either side from the stainless steel frame? These seem to be glued to transverse bars in addition the visible screws.
We hope to separate the fibreglass parts without breaking them.

Your comments and suggestions are very welcome.
Thanks in advance,

Soraya & Thomas
GARULFO
A54-122
Currently in Las Palmas, Gran Canaria

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow Thuster Control Box

James Cromie
 

I also might be interested, depending upon the cost.

James
S/V Soteria
SM 347

On Nov 30, 2017, at 8:06 PM, eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I might also be interested in a control box.

Please let me know the cost when you find out.
fair Winds
eric
Sm 376 Kimberlite
 
 
 
On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 06:08 PM, Chuck Lacey clacey9@...[amelyachtowners] wrote:
 
 
 

Thank you Patrick,
Count me in for a spare "box of tricks". Maud told me the same thing. "No longer made". The circuit board seems a simple layout for the electrically inclined among us (not me). This whole process has been nerve racking to say the least. Such a critical part for safe maneuverability.

Chuck
s/v Joy
388
Stuck in Ft.Lauderdale

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 3:58 PM, pjn.mccallin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good evening Chuck, assuming it’s the box of tricks not the limit switches, whilst I cannot help by way of providing you with a new box, a short while ago I contacted Olivier asking if he would contact the original maker to re manufacturing a new box for me. The answer was that one box was not an attractive option, however if a number could get together he might be able to assist.

The fact is that without this box we are dead in the water, ever since I took delivery I am contious that Amel specific items will become harder and harder to source.
Might I suggest you contact Olivier to see what could be done in terms of a bulk order?
Sorry I cannot be more help but it may be a way out if it’s the box not a limit switch problem
Patrick 385 CARAMELLE Antigua.




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow Thuster Control Box

eric freedman
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Balmar Smart Guage

Ian Park
 

Bill,
On my Santorin the house and start battery negatives are all connected but the bar..
Why would this be wrong? It gives me a reading for the separate batteries on my Mastervolt.

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN 96 (Grenada)

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

paul schofield <pwschofield@...>
 

I installed an almost identical configuration as Mark did on Trillium.  An Atlantic tower arch, davits, solar mounts with two LG310 watt panels from Platt Electric.

https://m.platt.com/platt-electric-supply/Solar-Modules/Monocrystalline-60-Cell/Products.aspx?cid=6257

Also installed two Victron charge controllers, one for each panel.  Working good so far.  

I agree that i'll need some form of sway control on the arch, even with the schedule 80 aluminum tubing.

Paul
Trillium SM 215



On Nov 30, 2017 11:17 AM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We purchased the arch based on a recommendation from Pat (SM Shenanigans). We love it. The specs can be found on AtlanticArch web site. They have pictures of Pat’s Amel featured there. We purchased their heavy duty model with davits and solar mount kit.

 

We installed 2  LG315 panels https://www.emarineinc.com/LG-315W-Solar-Panel-Fixed-Frame

 

We also installed the davits. However, we do NOT use the davits for bluewater sailing. We stow the dink on the aft cabin coachtop when offshore. We will sail with the dink on the davits only when in protected waters or for lifting it at night. The arch easily supports the Highfield310 with 15hp motor. About 200 lbs.

 

We installed a padeye on the transom and added cables to prevent side to side sway of the arch. I put pelican hooks on the cables so we can quickly unfasten when not using the dink on the arch. You will need some type of sway protection.

 

If you are in Greece consider a trip to Turkey and have Emek install one of Riza’s arches.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising – St. Lucia, the crime island

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 11:20 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

 

 

Hi Mark,

 

That's a really neat solution.

  1. Do you have the specifications of this arch  or can they be found at Atlantic ( whose own photos of an Amel are terrible--taken at sunset )
  2. What size panels did you fit ?
  3. Do you also use the arch as davits and if so can you say what your experience is ?

 

       Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM302, Greece


From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 30 November 2017 14:14:59
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

 

Cream Puff with an Atlantic Arch and new solar: http://www.creampuff.us/2016/08/free-solar-energy/

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising – St. Lucia, the crime island

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 9:17 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

 

 

Mark, I met with them at the Annapolis show and spoke with them once or twice when ordering and they were fine , helpful.  They now have sold several to Amel owners and know which one to sell you. It comes in a box and is easy to assemble / install , I think total time start to finish was maybe eight hours . Would have been a little less , but I chose to several inches off the tubes to lessen the height . I built my own solar frame and installed three panels , they are out of the way and are never in a shadow . I incorporated davits into my S.S. frame and it has been great to haul the dinghy for trips between the islands.

Good Luck,

Pat SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: isaac_02906@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Nov 29, 2017 9:33 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar Panel Location

 

Hello All,

I am considering adding solar to our SM and would like to know where members of the group have placed their panels and how they feel about their choice.  Ours does not currently have an arch, but we are willing to add one should that be the best location.  It looks like at least a few in the group have nice, clean installations using Atlantic Towers, and any feedback about their product and working with them would be appreciated.

Mark
SM #391
Ft. Lauderdale

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Balmar Smart Guage

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

The answer to your question, Eric, is no.

Ian, that bar connects all of the house batteries, not the start battery.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thuster Control Box

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Thanks Ryan,
I am not on the boat right now. The boat is new to me as well. Let me see if I have the workflow correct. When command 'up' the H light is off as ram is moving and lights when ram is in position and buzzer goes off at helm. Same for lowering but with sensor B. When command 'down' sensor is not lit until ram is in low position. When sensor B is lit then sensor SP is lit signifying the prop can move. Down buzzer was on but ram was not down and sensor B was not lit. So I assumed it was relay and not sensor. We will change sensor tomorrow just to be sure.

Chuck
s/v Joy 388

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

If the control system is acting like the thruster is already down, I'd suspect whatever sensor determines it is in the down position, not the controls/relays.  You already said your up-sensor was not working right, so why not the down-sensor too?  Did you repair the up-sensor already so that you won't burn up the new motor?

Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 5:00 PM, clacey9@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi All,

I have been stricken with the dreaded bow thruster burn up! This has happened to a few of you so I am reaching out because we are stuck for a fix. The usual story - Hole in BT is sitting slightly higher than the pin-lock. The up-sensor was a bit erratic and probably allowed the BT to go up to high and jamming the up-down rod. My model does not have a fuse and sure enough we burnt up the motor. I now have a shiny new fabriqué en France motor and it is installed. When commanding the motor to go up from the helm it goes up. When commanding to go down it buzzes like it is already down. Rod does not move down. We are thinking it is one of the orange relays on the circuit board. We changed the diodes out to be sure it was not them. Does that sound right? Any ideas would be appreciated. We are trying to leave and this is keeping us dockside. Thanks in advance.

Chuck

s/v Joy

SM2K #388

 



Battery Charger Options

seagasm
 

Good morning Crew, it would appear I may be up for a new Battery Charger. Any recommendations on make and model? I am looking along the possibility of a Victron Centaur Charger 24/60 unit.
 

Product Page at https://www.victronenergy.com/chargers/centaur-charger-12v-24v


Best Regards

Barry & Robyn

Tradewinds III SM#171

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow Thuster Control Box

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Thank you Patrick,
Count me in for a spare "box of tricks". Maud told me the same thing. "No longer made". The circuit board seems a simple layout for the electrically inclined among us (not me). This whole process has been nerve racking to say the least. Such a critical part for safe maneuverability.

Chuck
s/v Joy
388
Stuck in Ft.Lauderdale

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 3:58 PM, pjn.mccallin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good evening Chuck, assuming it’s the box of tricks not the limit switches, whilst I cannot help by way of providing you with a new box, a short while ago I contacted Olivier asking if he would contact the original maker to re manufacturing a new box for me. The answer was that one box was not an attractive option, however if a number could get together he might be able to assist.

The fact is that without this box we are dead in the water, ever since I took delivery I am contious that Amel specific items will become harder and harder to source.
Might I suggest you contact Olivier to see what could be done in terms of a bulk order?
Sorry I cannot be more help but it may be a way out if it’s the box not a limit switch problem
Patrick 385 CARAMELLE Antigua.


Re: Bow Thuster Control Box

pjn.mccallin@...
 

Good evening Chuck, assuming it’s the box of tricks not the limit switches, whilst I cannot help by way of providing you with a new box, a short while ago I contacted Olivier asking if he would contact the original maker to re manufacturing a new box for me. The answer was that one box was not an attractive option, however if a number could get together he might be able to assist.
The fact is that without this box we are dead in the water, ever since I took delivery I am contious that Amel specific items will become harder and harder to source.
Might I suggest you contact Olivier to see what could be done in terms of a bulk order?
Sorry I cannot be more help but it may be a way out if it’s the box not a limit switch problem
Patrick 385 CARAMELLE Antigua.

Re: Balmar Smart Guage

Ian Park
 

Mine does, a copper bar connecting all negatives.
Ian
Ocean Hobo SN6

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thuster Control Box

Ryan Meador
 

If the control system is acting like the thruster is already down, I'd suspect whatever sensor determines it is in the down position, not the controls/relays.  You already said your up-sensor was not working right, so why not the down-sensor too?  Did you repair the up-sensor already so that you won't burn up the new motor?

Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 5:00 PM, clacey9@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi All,

I have been stricken with the dreaded bow thruster burn up! This has happened to a few of you so I am reaching out because we are stuck for a fix. The usual story - Hole in BT is sitting slightly higher than the pin-lock. The up-sensor was a bit erratic and probably allowed the BT to go up to high and jamming the up-down rod. My model does not have a fuse and sure enough we burnt up the motor. I now have a shiny new fabriqué en France motor and it is installed. When commanding the motor to go up from the helm it goes up. When commanding to go down it buzzes like it is already down. Rod does not move down. We are thinking it is one of the orange relays on the circuit board. We changed the diodes out to be sure it was not them. Does that sound right? Any ideas would be appreciated. We are trying to leave and this is keeping us dockside. Thanks in advance.

Chuck

s/v Joy

SM2K #388