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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
Forgot to say we’ll be here for a couple of months.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Martinique www.creampuff.us
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Hi Mark, How long will you be in Martinique? Are you in the marina with the other Amels? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
If you make it to the windward Islands I would be interested in taking the old pump of your hands for the parts you mention. We don’t plan on going much further north than Guadeloupe this season.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising – Martinique
From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
On Behalf Of thomas.kleman
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:57 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
Hello all- I own Super Maramu #422, L'ORIENT. I replaced my original bilge pump at sea a few months ago as it started leaking from the seal with the diaphragm. Later, I took it apart and noted (among other things) that the all-important plastic gear is intact; the motor and pivot arm appear fine as well.......which I believe is important for folks who elect to rebuild and keep theirs.
I'm keeping my replacement bilge pump in service and would entertain interesting barter offers of spare parts for my leaking but still largely operational bilge pump. Payment in a reasonable Sancerre is also acceptable.
I'll be back on my boat in Antigua end of December and will be stationary for at least a few weeks doing bottom job/prop seal/bow thruster service. Lorient422"at"gmail"dot"com.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
Hi Eric,
Right now we are anchored off Saint Anne’s. We well be moving into the marina Wednesday. Not sure what our slip assignment is yet.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff www.creampuff.us
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Hi Mark, How long will you be in Martinique? Are you in the marina with the other Amels? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
If you make it to the windward Islands I would be interested in taking the old pump of your hands for the parts you mention. We don’t plan on going much further north than Guadeloupe this season.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising – Martinique
From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
On Behalf Of thomas.kleman
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:57 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
Hello all- I own Super Maramu #422, L'ORIENT. I replaced my original bilge pump at sea a few months ago as it started leaking from the seal with the diaphragm. Later, I took it apart and noted (among other things) that the all-important plastic gear is intact; the motor and pivot arm appear fine as well.......which I believe is important for folks who elect to rebuild and keep theirs.
I'm keeping my replacement bilge pump in service and would entertain interesting barter offers of spare parts for my leaking but still largely operational bilge pump. Payment in a reasonable Sancerre is also acceptable.
I'll be back on my boat in Antigua end of December and will be stationary for at least a few weeks doing bottom job/prop seal/bow thruster service. Lorient422"at"gmail"dot"com.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
Eric Freedman
Hi Mark, How long will you be in Martinique? Are you in the marina with the other Amels? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 1:03 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
If you make it to the windward Islands I would be interested in taking the old pump of your hands for the parts you mention. We don’t plan on going much further north than Guadeloupe this season.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising – Martinique
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of thomas.kleman
Hello all- I own Super Maramu #422, L'ORIENT. I replaced my original bilge pump at sea a few months ago as it started leaking from the seal with the diaphragm. Later, I took it apart and noted (among other things) that the all-important plastic gear is intact; the motor and pivot arm appear fine as well.......which I believe is important for folks who elect to rebuild and keep theirs.
I'm keeping my replacement bilge pump in service and would entertain interesting barter offers of spare parts for my leaking but still largely operational bilge pump. Payment in a reasonable Sancerre is also acceptable.
I'll be back on my boat in Antigua end of December and will be stationary for at least a few weeks doing bottom job/prop seal/bow thruster service. Lorient422"at"gmail"dot"com.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
If you make it to the windward Islands I would be interested in taking the old pump of your hands for the parts you mention. We don’t plan on going much further north than Guadeloupe this season.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising – Martinique www.creampuff.us
From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of thomas.kleman
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:57 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
Hello all- I own Super Maramu #422, L'ORIENT. I replaced my original bilge pump at sea a few months ago as it started leaking from the seal with the diaphragm. Later, I took it apart and noted (among other things) that the all-important plastic gear is intact; the motor and pivot arm appear fine as well.......which I believe is important for folks who elect to rebuild and keep theirs.
I'm keeping my replacement bilge pump in service and would entertain interesting barter offers of spare parts for my leaking but still largely operational bilge pump. Payment in a reasonable Sancerre is also acceptable.
I'll be back on my boat in Antigua end of December and will be stationary for at least a few weeks doing bottom job/prop seal/bow thruster service. Lorient422"at"gmail"dot"com.
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Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
thomas.kleman <no_reply@...>
Hello all- I own Super Maramu #422, L'ORIENT. I replaced my original bilge pump at sea a few months ago as it started leaking from the seal with the diaphragm. Later, I took it apart and noted (among other things) that the all-important plastic gear is intact; the motor and pivot arm appear fine as well.......which I believe is important for folks who elect to rebuild and keep theirs.
I'm keeping my replacement bilge pump in service and would entertain interesting barter offers of spare parts for my leaking but still largely operational bilge pump. Payment in a reasonable Sancerre is also acceptable. I'll be back on my boat in Antigua end of December and will be stationary for at least a few weeks doing bottom job/prop seal/bow thruster service. Lorient422"at"gmail"dot"com.
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Re: Charcoal Filter
Duane Siegfri
Paul, Alexandre, and Vladimir:
Thanks for your thoughts and experiences! Duane
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 dishwasher failure (and solution)
Mohammad Shirloo
Hello Thomas;
Thank you for sharing your experience.
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo Amel 54 #099
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Of potential interest to 54-ians with a Dometic dishwasher.
We had an issue with it, leaking heavily and showing error code 10 (issue with the water intake, as per the manual).
The problem was that the conduit to some sort of "there is enough water in the dishwasher" captor was very dirty, preventing it from stopping the inflow until the no-intake water error was reported. Unfortunately that means the overflow too.
The solution was simply to clean that conduit, after removing the plastic ring that covers it at the bottom of the inside of the dishwasher (3 screws) underneath the metal filter. No need to remove the dishwasher from its location to do that, although we did to track to issue down, and it's fairly straightforward.
Hope that will help
Thomas & Soraya Garulfo Amel 54 #122 Gran Canaria, Canary Island, Spain
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
greatketch@...
James, We went through the Bahamas last year and had a great time. There are places we want to visit again and new places to see. So far our favorite stop has been the more remote island of Mayaguana. A vented loop shouldn't add much resistance, it's pretty straight through, I think your guess of a foot of head is a good one. Putting in a vent and breaking the syphon action does eliminate the "credit" you get for the down slope of the piping past that point. So you have to count the static head up to the vent, and then not subtract the reduced height to the discharge. Not sharpening my pencil too much, but with 2 in ID smooth bore pipe or hose, and that pump I'd expect between 1500 and 2000GPH in the system you describe. Getting a better estimate than that is probably beyond the precision of the data we have available. FYI, To measure the flow from my bilge pump, I ran the pump until it first sucked air and turned it off. I then added a measured amount of water (12 liters) to the sump, and then ran it again until it sucked air and called that the time to discharge 12 liters. ---In amelyachtowners@..., <lokiyawl2@...> wrote : Bill, Have a great time in the Bahamas. We have spent quite a bit of time over there on various boats over the years. What a great resource you are. It will be intersting to compare the actual test data to the predictions. If I decide to add this pump, I think that I can get by with only 6-7' of piping which would be 2" smooth bore fiberglass piping with a length of hose to connect the pump to the piping. No elbows but some gentle bends. Can you tell me the losses to expect in a vented loop? This would also be fiberglass pipe so I can make the radius the optinum curve. I assume that some energy is returned as the fluid is falling from the vent to the discharge but have no idea of how to calculate that part. The 4 foot actual lift might be 3 1/2' but the vented loop may add another foot? The Seland pump can be an ongoing offer and maybe if you want I will also send down the 4000 pump for you to test as well if it is of interest. James SV Sueno, Maramu #220
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
James Alton
Bill, Have a great time in the Bahamas. We have spent quite a bit of time over there on various boats over the years. What a great resource you are. It will be intersting to compare the actual test data to the predictions. If I decide to add this pump, I think that I can get by with only 6-7' of piping which would be 2" smooth bore fiberglass piping with a length of hose to connect the pump to the piping. No elbows but some gentle bends. Can you tell me the losses to expect in a vented loop? This would also be fiberglass pipe so I can make the radius the optinum curve. I assume that some energy is returned as the fluid is falling from the vent to the discharge but have no idea of how to calculate that part. The 4 foot actual lift might be 3 1/2' but the vented loop may add another foot? The Seland pump can be an ongoing offer and maybe if you want I will also send down the 4000 pump for you to test as well if it is of interest. James SV Sueno, Maramu #220 Sent from Samsung Mobile
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From: "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> Date: 12-03-2017 12:02 PM (GMT-04:00) To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure. James, Your offer of testing a Sealand pump in an Amel bilge is fun and fascinating. Unfortunetly we'll be headed to the Bahamas before such fun could be had! Yes, the Rule can pump 27 feet up, but at zero flow rate. Also, the head required to actually move water is more than just the lift height. The piping resistance is the larger and usually more significant contributor. (Note, I am a chemical engineer, and for a time pumps and pump selection was an important part of my world. So I'll likely subject the good members of this forum to way more detail than they need...) I did a quick and dirty calculation of flow rate for the following system: 10 feet of smooth bore 1.5" hose, two elbows, a total of 4 feet of vertical lift. I calculate such a system would require a pump discharge head of about 6.7 feet at 10
00GPH. Pretty close to a Rule 4000 pump curve. (Details available on request for you masochists out there...) 2 inch hose would be better, but you get the idea... Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Fort Lauderdale, FL
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow Thuster Control Box
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Mark, There were 3 variations of the bow thruster control that I know of. I have no other information. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow Thuster Control Box
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Porter, No, the 54 has the infamous BOXTRON. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
greatketch@...
James,
Your offer of testing a Sealand pump in an Amel bilge is fun and fascinating. Unfortunetly we'll be headed to the Bahamas before such fun could be had! Yes, the Rule can pump 27 feet up, but at zero flow rate. Also, the head required to actually move water is more than just the lift height. The piping resistance is the larger and usually more significant contributor. (Note, I am a chemical engineer, and for a time pumps and pump selection was an important part of my world. So I'll likely subject the good members of this forum to way more detail than they need...) I did a quick and dirty calculation of flow rate for the following system: 10 feet of smooth bore 1.5" hose, two elbows, a total of 4 feet of vertical lift. I calculate such a system would require a pump discharge head of about 6.7 feet at 1000GPH. Pretty close to a Rule 4000 pump curve. (Details available on request for you masochists out there...) 2 inch hose would be better, but you get the idea... Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Fort Lauderdale, FL
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Re: Battery Charger Options
greatketch@...
Alan,
We are (relatively) new owners of a Victron MultiPlus 24/3000/70 charger/inverter. After 4 months, I obviously can't speak to long term reliability, but the performance and feature set are exceptional. It is much more sophisticated than the Xantrax unit it replaced and much more precise at voltage control while charging. One of the reasons we chose this unit was that we can use the optional USC interface and connect a computer to fully program each of the parameters. This lets us match the performance of both the inverter and the charger to our battery system and have it manage the AC system exactly as we want. For a stand-alone charger, I think you'll be happy with the Centaur. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Fort Lauderdale, FL
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
VLADIMIR SONSEV
Offshore racing council required two electrical and two manual bilge pumps. One manual pump must be down below. Just for your information. Vladimir SM "Life is Good"
On Dec 2, 2017 13:58, "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
James Alton
Bill Kinney,
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Thanks for giving your opinion on sizing bilge pumps, along with the list of pumps that you carry. I really like the idea of doing some testing to get some real world data before considering making any changes. I am curious about the Rule 4000 centrifugal pump since according to the flow chart it is supposed to be able to lift as high as 27 ft. which I think is almost 12 psi? The pump also has a 2” discharge. http://www.strongmanpumps.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Rule-Pump-Performance-Chart.jpg My interest in this pump would be for dewatering and if installed it would be mounted well above the bottom of the sump and hopefully would never get wet. When time permits, I will do some of my own testing to simulate an installation in my Maramu with one of the 4000 GPH Rule pumps and will post what I find out. I would like to see a number above 30 GPM..we will see. I am aware that the centrifugal pumps are rated at 0 head and with no hose and agree that this has no bearing on real life conditions. One other factor that I have found which can greatly reduce the discharge of a pump more than expected is the type of house being used. The type that is heavily corrugated internally appears to reduce the flow by about half (visual observation of the stream as opposed to actual measurement) as compared to a smooth bore hose of similar diameter. Assuming you are in Florida. I have a 12V Sealand T2 pump at my shop which is also in Florida that I would be glad to ship to you and cover the shipping on both ways if you would like to do a capacity test? I have not checked to see if the 12V version of this pump has different specs. than the 24V? James SV Sueno, Maramu #220
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Re: Bow Thuster Control Box
Don't know if newer control boxes/boards are different, but on my SN (1992 #68) the board is pretty simple and I could easily spot the fried segments of printed conductor and simply soldered wire jumpers between the endpoint nodes. That was many years ago and it's worked perfectly since.
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Craig ---In amelyachtowners@..., <johnhayes862@...> wrote : Hi Chuck Count me in My Santorin is 1991 vintage John Hayes Nga Waka Wellington New Zealand
On 3/12/2017, at 9:21 AM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Charcoal Filter
VLADIMIR SONSEV
On Dec 3, 2017 07:49, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. Hi Duane,
I have carbon filter on my watermaker suction line to reduce chlorine during a wash cycle. I use 5 micron carbon filter and I don't use a booster pump. But you have to be very careful restricting high pressure pump suction line. You have to select carbon filter that gives you low pressure drop at maximum flow. Too much restriction on a suction line can damage your high pressure pump. You have to measure a vacuum on the suction line. You should not have deeper vacuum than pump specification alow at maximum flow. I have permanently installed a combination vacuum/Pressure gauge on the suction line. I monitor gauge readings and change filters if vacuum is deeper than in the pump spec. Best regards Vladimir S/V "LIFE IS GOOD "
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Charcoal Filter
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good morning Duane,
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I won’t answer your question, but just share my experience. I had a carbon filter “after” the fresh water pump for the same reason - I wish I had been able to put it after the “flushing” valve, as all the water had chlorine removed instead of only the one going to the water maker. I also had a sediment filter “before” the fresh water pump, this was to reduce the maintenance/cleaning on the fresh water pump. It work well, but the water pressure considerably decreased and I had to lower the setting on the D-Square/Pressure Plate significantly running on house power (was never a problem on shore power). Sincerely, Alexandre --------------------------------------------
On Sat, 12/2/17, sailor63109@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Charcoal Filter To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 2, 2017, 11:48 AM I'm planning on adding a charcoal filter prior to the watermaker to remove chlorine. As long as I'm adding it, it seems reasonable to filter all the fresh water for the boat. Does anyone have an idea how much a 10" carbon block filter (like this: https://airwaterice.com/filters/10-5-micron-carbon-block.html) would reduce the flow and pressure at the faucets in the boat? We have the Marco UP3 4gpm fresh water pump and it seems to do well without the filter. I just don't know how much reduction in flow I'll have with the carbon filter in line. I checked the flow at the kitchen tap at 1.5gpm, but the pump was not running at full speed so it's hard to tell what it could pump with more head loss from the filter. In the forward head it was at 3.0gpm. With both the kitchen and fwd head faucet on the flow from the galley faucet total flow was 3.2gpm. Looking at the Flow vs. Pressure diagram from Marco, the pump is operating toward the high pressure side of the pump curve. Duane Wanderer, SM#477
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Charcoal Filter
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good morning Duane,
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I won’t answer your question, but just share my experience. I had a carbon filter “after” the fresh water pump for the same reason - I wish I had been able to put it after the “flushing” valve, as all the water had chlorine removed instead of only the one going to the water maker. I also had a sediment filter “before” the fresh water pump, this was to reduce the maintenance/cleaning on the fresh water pump. It work well, but the water pressure considerably decreased and I had to lower the setting on the D-Square/Pressure Plate significantly running on house power (was never a problem on shore power). Sincerely, Alexandre --------------------------------------------
On Sat, 12/2/17, sailor63109@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Charcoal Filter To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 2, 2017, 11:48 AM I'm planning on adding a charcoal filter prior to the watermaker to remove chlorine. As long as I'm adding it, it seems reasonable to filter all the fresh water for the boat. Does anyone have an idea how much a 10" carbon block filter (like this: https://airwaterice.com/filters/10-5-micron-carbon-block.html) would reduce the flow and pressure at the faucets in the boat? We have the Marco UP3 4gpm fresh water pump and it seems to do well without the filter. I just don't know how much reduction in flow I'll have with the carbon filter in line. I checked the flow at the kitchen tap at 1.5gpm, but the pump was not running at full speed so it's hard to tell what it could pump with more head loss from the filter. In the forward head it was at 3.0gpm. With both the kitchen and fwd head faucet on the flow from the galley faucet total flow was 3.2gpm. Looking at the Flow vs. Pressure diagram from Marco, the pump is operating toward the high pressure side of the pump curve. Duane Wanderer, SM#477
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Re: Battery Charger Options
We have a Victron Skyllar 24/100 for 3 Years now, very happy with it
Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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