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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow Thruster Travel Adjustment

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Paul,

It is correctly adjusted if you have to pull the wire to raise it about 10mm. 

About 11 years ago I discussed the adjustment of the wire with the Amel Service Manager in the Caribbean...he said, "don't touch it."

All, 

Remember that there are about 3 or 4 versions of the Amel Bow Thruster on the SN and SM. Advice from one owner pertaining to one version may screw up another version. Be careful.

Yesterday I was helping a SM owner and client of mine with a SM in the high 200s. The Thruster propeller shaft had a small dent where the seal meets the shaft. We were using the new spec 29mm seal. It leaked at the dent. We had a machine shop make a stainless steel sleeve for a 30mm shaft and seal it to the damaged shaft. $140USD for the custom sleeve and fitting it to the shaft including pick up and delivery on the same day. 

Sometimes you have to improvise 😊

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Dec 6, 2017 19:32, "pstas2003" <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Tom,

Thank you for your response. 

I have been using the cable grab method to insert the pin, but what is the procedure to adjust the lift mechanism?


All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Cruising St. Lucia

www.RitaKathryn.com



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Martinique. Boat on island about January 18

Mark Erdos
 

We arrived yesterday and are parked about 3 or 4 Amels away from Kimberlite.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark and Cindy

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Martinique

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 6:56 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Martinique. Boat on island about January 18

 

 

Hi All,

I will be in Martinique the evening of January 18 for a while,

Looks like the following boats will be there around that time,

Some owners will be on board and others will be away. In any event here seems to be the list

If you will be there around that time please add your name.

 

Jeff Krause 54 Spirit

Derek Gates 53 Brava

Miles Bidwell-not aboard 53 Lady Bug

Dan Carlson, BeBe, SM#387

Vladimir SM 345 "LIFE is Good"

Olaf MIA-AMARA,  Santorin  Ponton 5

James Cromie La Bella Vie (new owner) SM53

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow Thruster Travel Adjustment

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

The Super Maramu has the on off switch in front of the pin. You cannot operate the bow thruster with the pin in place.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 2:10 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow Thruster Travel Adjustment

 

 

Granted we're only talking millimeters, but it seems the lifting action should stop exactly at the level at which the pin can be inserted without squeezing the cables.. This will provide the proper compression of the shaft seals whether you pin it or not.

That is, if you need to squeeze the cables to get the pin in, either you're over-compressing the seals or they are under-compressed with the pin out.

We have ours lined up so the pin goes in snugly without squeezing the cables. Then, when we're making a passage and want to use the pin we insert it and then give a quick flip of the down switch to unload the cables so all the weight is on the pin..

As I mentioned in a previous post, we rotate the pin behind the locking post to prevent any possibility of it falling out, which is highly unlikely anyway what with all the weight on the pin. 

 

Craig Briggs, SN68

---In amelyachtowners@..., <greatketch@...> wrote :

Tom,

 

The correct adjustment is where you ended up.  The last few millimeters of lift certainly should be by hand, squeezing the wires together.  This makes sure the pin is actually taking the load of the motor (which is HEAVY).  It would be not good at all to have the jack screw supporting the weight of the motor when pounding into a head sea.  As you also noted, if the pin is not doing any actual lifting, it just falls out.



This adjustment also prevents the jack screw from "dead heading" against a excessive load.  This would also be very bad for it.



This is one case where the correct adjustment is much easier to actually achieve than the wrong one!

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Fort Lauderdale, FL


Re: Bow Thruster Travel Adjustment

Craig Briggs
 

Granted we're only talking millimeters, but it seems the lifting action should stop exactly at the level at which the pin can be inserted without squeezing the cables.. This will provide the proper compression of the shaft seals whether you pin it or not.
That is, if you need to squeeze the cables to get the pin in, either you're over-compressing the seals or they are under-compressed with the pin out.
We have ours lined up so the pin goes in snugly without squeezing the cables. Then, when we're making a passage and want to use the pin we insert it and then give a quick flip of the down switch to unload the cables so all the weight is on the pin..
As I mentioned in a previous post, we rotate the pin behind the locking post to prevent any possibility of it falling out, which is highly unlikely anyway what with all the weight on the pin. 

Craig Briggs, SN68

---In amelyachtowners@..., <greatketch@...> wrote :

Tom,

The correct adjustment is where you ended up.  The last few millimeters of lift certainly should be by hand, squeezing the wires together.  This makes sure the pin is actually taking the load of the motor (which is HEAVY).  It would be not good at all to have the jack screw supporting the weight of the motor when pounding into a head sea.  As you also noted, if the pin is not doing any actual lifting, it just falls out.

This adjustment also prevents the jack screw from "dead heading" against a excessive load.  This would also be very bad for it.

This is one case where the correct adjustment is much easier to actually achieve than the wrong one!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL


Re: Bow Thruster Travel Adjustment

Craig Briggs
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Martinique. Boat on island about January 18

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

I also forgot to ask if you have the yanmar engine?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 9:59 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Martinique. Boat on island about January 18

 

 

Eric - thanks for getting a list together.  Jessica and I are looking forward to meeting the others when we head down to Le Marin.  We will be there 12/15 - 22, 1/9 - 15, and 2/23 - 3/4.  We’ll be down there again around 4/27 at which point we are planning on sailing up to Rhode Island.  

 

On our first trip down, we have a lot of gear to bring, but if anyone is in need of something being brought down, we’d be happy to try to help if possible. 

 

James

SV La Bella Vita

SM #347

 

On Dec 6, 2017, at 5:56 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi All,

I will be in Martinique the evening of January 18 for a while,

Looks like the following boats will be there around that time,

Some owners will be on board and others will be away. In any event here seems to be the list

If you will be there around that time please add your name.

 

Jeff Krause 54 Spirit

Derek Gates 53 Brava

Miles Bidwell-not aboard 53 Lady Bug

Dan Carlson, BeBe, SM#387

Vladimir SM 345 "LIFE is Good" 

Olaf MIA-AMARA,  Santorin  Ponton 5

James Cromie La Bella Vie (new owner) SM53

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Martinique. Boat on island about January 18

James Cromie <jamescromie@...>
 

Eric - thanks for getting a list together.  Jessica and I are looking forward to meeting the others when we head down to Le Marin.  We will be there 12/15 - 22, 1/9 - 15, and 2/23 - 3/4.  We’ll be down there again around 4/27 at which point we are planning on sailing up to Rhode Island.  

On our first trip down, we have a lot of gear to bring, but if anyone is in need of something being brought down, we’d be happy to try to help if possible. 

James
SV La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Dec 6, 2017, at 5:56 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi All,

I will be in Martinique the evening of January 18 for a while,

Looks like the following boats will be there around that time,

Some owners will be on board and others will be away. In any event here seems to be the list

If you will be there around that time please add your name.

 

Jeff Krause 54 Spirit

Derek Gates 53 Brava

Miles Bidwell-not aboard 53 Lady Bug

Dan Carlson, BeBe, SM#387

Vladimir SM 345 "LIFE is Good" 

Olaf MIA-AMARA,  Santorin  Ponton 5

James Cromie La Bella Vie (new owner) SM53

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 




Re: Bow Thruster Travel Adjustment

greatketch@...
 

Tom,

The correct adjustment is where you ended up.  The last few millimeters of lift certainly should be by hand, squeezing the wires together.  This makes sure the pin is actually taking the load of the motor (which is HEAVY).  It would be not good at all to have the jack screw supporting the weight of the motor when pounding into a head sea.  As you also noted, if the pin is not doing any actual lifting, it just falls out.

This adjustment also prevents the jack screw from "dead heading" against a excessive load.  This would also be very bad for it.

This is one case where the correct adjustment is much easier to actually achieve than the wrong one!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL


Re: Bow Thruster Travel Adjustment

greatketch@...
 

Paul,

On mine (which is older and might be a bit different...) the primary adjustment is where the cable attaches to the top of the motor.  If you loosen the jam nut, and pull the pin that hold the cable in place, there is a significant amount of vertical adjustment in the position of the motor by turning that fitting and varying the depth of thread in the motor.

I wouldn't adjust the position of the limit switches unless it was clear that was needed, and there was room in the travel of the jack screw to accommodate the change.

Bill Kinney
Sm160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Easy Lock Companionway Slide

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Bill,

I am also adding a block of some plastic like nylon or something more shock resistant to the area above the locking board.

In this way when I pull up the companionway it will be in the exact place to close the latches. I am tired of having to look at the board to see if it is lined up.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

.

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 7:10 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Easy Lock Companionway Slide

 

 

Bill,

I actually like the metal ones better. However I did not know of them at the time.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Easy Lock Companionway Slide

 

 

The files on the homemade cam were posted by Bill Rouse.  They are a great design and I am sure work well, and certainly look great.

 

As a full time liveaboard, the option of machining teak really isn't available to me.  Even if it was, my time is more valuable than the cost of the commercially available lever cams.  

 

Of course there are others who would enjoy the process of making them from scratch, and not put a price on the time involved.  They will end up with something more elegant than I have and I would not begrudge them such satisfaction for a second.

 

The commercial product is certainly not as nice a solution as the custom made teak cams, but are they are way better than the handwheels!

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Fort Lauderdale, FL


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Easy Lock Companionway Slide

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Bill,

I actually like the metal ones better. However I did not know of them at the time.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Easy Lock Companionway Slide

 

 

The files on the homemade cam were posted by Bill Rouse.  They are a great design and I am sure work well, and certainly look great.

 

As a full time liveaboard, the option of machining teak really isn't available to me.  Even if it was, my time is more valuable than the cost of the commercially available lever cams.  

 

Of course there are others who would enjoy the process of making them from scratch, and not put a price on the time involved.  They will end up with something more elegant than I have and I would not begrudge them such satisfaction for a second.

 

The commercial product is certainly not as nice a solution as the custom made teak cams, but are they are way better than the handwheels!

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Fort Lauderdale, FL


Re: Bow Thruster Travel Adjustment

pstas2003 <no_reply@...>
 

Tom,

Thank you for your response. 

I have been using the cable grab method to insert the pin, but what is the procedure to adjust the lift mechanism?

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Cruising St. Lucia

www.RitaKathryn.com


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Easy Lock Companionway Slide [1 Attachment]

greatketch@...
 

The files on the homemade cam were posted by Bill Rouse.  They are a great design and I am sure work well, and certainly look great.

As a full time liveaboard, the option of machining teak really isn't available to me.  Even if it was, my time is more valuable than the cost of the commercially available lever cams.  

Of course there are others who would enjoy the process of making them from scratch, and not put a price on the time involved.  They will end up with something more elegant than I have and I would not begrudge them such satisfaction for a second.

The commercial product is certainly not as nice a solution as the custom made teak cams, but are they are way better than the handwheels!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL


Martinique. Boat on island about January 18

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi All,

I will be in Martinique the evening of January 18 for a while,

Looks like the following boats will be there around that time,

Some owners will be on board and others will be away. In any event here seems to be the list

If you will be there around that time please add your name.

 

Jeff Krause 54 Spirit

Derek Gates 53 Brava

Miles Bidwell-not aboard 53 Lady Bug

Dan Carlson, BeBe, SM#387

Vladimir SM 345 "LIFE is Good"

Olaf MIA-AMARA,  Santorin  Ponton 5

James Cromie La Bella Vie (new owner) SM53

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Easy Lock Companionway Slide [1 Attachment]

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi Bill,

About 10 or 12  years another Amel owner made them out of teak and posted dimensions and measurements in the photos sections. I have had them since I saw them.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 4:54 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Easy Lock Companionway Slide [1 Attachment]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

When I first saw a Super Maramu, I thought that some kind of cam would be a much better solution to clamping the bar that locks the companionway than the fussy hand wheels that were used.  I gather that toward the end of the production run, Amel saw that light and started using them.

 

I put that thought aside, never actually looking for a solution until I was on Steve's TouRai this past week which had been retro fitted with cam levers... "Hey! Where did you get those?"  He pointed me in the right direction. Turns out what I thought was a very clever idea might well be clever, but is not exactly original.

 

There is one company in Germany, Kipp, that makes a wide variety of various goodies, including an assortment of cam levers.  The ones that I needed were M8, internal thread, cam levers.  They are available in an assortment of materials, coated steel, aluminum, plastic, and stainless.  Pic the look you like, and pick your price (from US$12 to US$80 each)

 

These are the ones we installed: http://amzn.to/2BL5AOM

 

If you adjust them so the levers hang straight down when open they don't turn, and stay adjusted as you want them.  Just lift the handle, and the bar looks down. Quite slick.  

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Fort Lauderdale, FL

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow Thruster Travel Adjustment

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

oops, that is SM 299, not 200

Danny

On 07 December 2017 at 07:29 "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Thomas,

I agree with your approach.

Danny

SM 200 Ocean Pearl

On 07 December 2017 at 06:10 "thomas.kleman" <no_reply@...> wrote:

 

Hey Paul- it seems like almost a two part problem......first, you want to get the pin in to create the seal. This can be done by just pulling the lift wire, lifting the thruster the remaining few millimeters to get the pin in. The second part involves the more complex task of adjusting the lift mechanism to achieve the correct height when the red indicator light indicates full lift on the unit.........personally, I have never mastered this. At one point I had it perfectly aligned but this yielded a new problem. With the holes perfectly aligned at full lift, there was no friction on the pin and in rough seas the pin actually slipped out after it was fully inserted. So I now lift it the last few millimeters by hand and insert the pin so the weight of the thruster holds the pin in place while keeping the seal firm. Bottom line, not a drop of water in the bow thruster bay. I will be anxiously reading these responses because one of the old salts always has a way to improve processes like these.


Tom Kleman
sm2k 422 L'ORIENT


---In amelyachtowners@..., <no_reply@...> wrote :

We recently serviced our bow thruster and now the unit now longer comes up high enough to insert the pin easily.  There are (what appear to be) three adjustment pots.  Two are located above the control box and one below,  Of the two above, the one to starboard is labeled “B”  the one to port is unlabeled.  The one located below the control box is labeled “H”.

Are these indeed the adjustment pots and if so, which one is used to adjust the upward stopping point.

I have searched the manual and forum and can’t seem to located the information.

Thank in advance for any and all responses.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Cruising St. Lucia

www.RitaKathryn.com

 


 

 


 


Re: Bow Thruster Travel Adjustment

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Tom,
On the SN there is a fixed retaining post for the locking pin. You insert the locking pin fully through the shaft hole, then rotate it so the bent end goes behind the retaining post, preventing it from accidentally slipping out. 
When removed the locking pin stores down a hole on top of the port side the vertical support tube.
I suspect the SM is the same, but perhaps not.
Cheers, Craig SN#68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <no_reply@...> wrote :

Hey Paul- it seems like almost a two part problem......first, you want to get the pin in to create the seal. This can be done by just pulling the lift wire, lifting the thruster the remaining few millimeters to get the pin in. The second part involves the more complex task of adjusting the lift mechanism to achieve the correct height when the red indicator light indicates full lift on the unit.........personally, I have never mastered this. At one point I had it perfectly aligned but this yielded a new problem. With the holes perfectly aligned at full lift, there was no friction on the pin and in rough seas the pin actually slipped out after it was fully inserted. So I now lift it the last few millimeters by hand and insert the pin so the weight of the thruster holds the pin in place while keeping the seal firm. Bottom line, not a drop of water in the bow thruster bay. I will be anxiously reading these responses because one of the old salts always has a way to improve processes like these.

Tom Kleman
sm2k 422 L'ORIENT


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow Thruster Travel Adjustment

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Thomas,

I agree with your approach.

Danny

SM 200 Ocean Pearl

On 07 December 2017 at 06:10 "thomas.kleman" <no_reply@...> wrote:

 

Hey Paul- it seems like almost a two part problem......first, you want to get the pin in to create the seal. This can be done by just pulling the lift wire, lifting the thruster the remaining few millimeters to get the pin in. The second part involves the more complex task of adjusting the lift mechanism to achieve the correct height when the red indicator light indicates full lift on the unit.........personally, I have never mastered this. At one point I had it perfectly aligned but this yielded a new problem. With the holes perfectly aligned at full lift, there was no friction on the pin and in rough seas the pin actually slipped out after it was fully inserted. So I now lift it the last few millimeters by hand and insert the pin so the weight of the thruster holds the pin in place while keeping the seal firm. Bottom line, not a drop of water in the bow thruster bay. I will be anxiously reading these responses because one of the old salts always has a way to improve processes like these.


Tom Kleman
sm2k 422 L'ORIENT


---In amelyachtowners@..., <no_reply@...> wrote :

We recently serviced our bow thruster and now the unit now longer comes up high enough to insert the pin easily.  There are (what appear to be) three adjustment pots.  Two are located above the control box and one below,  Of the two above, the one to starboard is labeled “B”  the one to port is unlabeled.  The one located below the control box is labeled “H”.

Are these indeed the adjustment pots and if so, which one is used to adjust the upward stopping point.

I have searched the manual and forum and can’t seem to located the information.

Thank in advance for any and all responses.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Cruising St. Lucia

www.RitaKathryn.com

 


 


Re: Bow Thruster Travel Adjustment

thomas.kleman <no_reply@...>
 

Hey Paul- it seems like almost a two part problem......first, you want to get the pin in to create the seal. This can be done by just pulling the lift wire, lifting the thruster the remaining few millimeters to get the pin in. The second part involves the more complex task of adjusting the lift mechanism to achieve the correct height when the red indicator light indicates full lift on the unit.........personally, I have never mastered this. At one point I had it perfectly aligned but this yielded a new problem. With the holes perfectly aligned at full lift, there was no friction on the pin and in rough seas the pin actually slipped out after it was fully inserted. So I now lift it the last few millimeters by hand and insert the pin so the weight of the thruster holds the pin in place while keeping the seal firm. Bottom line, not a drop of water in the bow thruster bay. I will be anxiously reading these responses because one of the old salts always has a way to improve processes like these.

Tom Kleman
sm2k 422 L'ORIENT


---In amelyachtowners@..., <no_reply@...> wrote :

We recently serviced our bow thruster and now the unit now longer comes up high enough to insert the pin easily.  There are (what appear to be) three adjustment pots.  Two are located above the control box and one below,  Of the two above, the one to starboard is labeled “B”  the one to port is unlabeled.  The one located below the control box is labeled “H”.

Are these indeed the adjustment pots and if so, which one is used to adjust the upward stopping point.

I have searched the manual and forum and can’t seem to located the information.

Thank in advance for any and all responses.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Cruising St. Lucia

www.RitaKathryn.com


Bow Thruster Travel Adjustment

pstas2003 <no_reply@...>
 

We recently serviced our bow thruster and now the unit now longer comes up high enough to insert the pin easily.  There are (what appear to be) three adjustment pots.  Two are located above the control box and one below,  Of the two above, the one to starboard is labeled “B”  the one to port is unlabeled.  The one located below the control box is labeled “H”.

Are these indeed the adjustment pots and if so, which one is used to adjust the upward stopping point.

I have searched the manual and forum and can’t seem to located the information.

Thank in advance for any and all responses.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Cruising St. Lucia

www.RitaKathryn.com