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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Seafood Party in Martinique

Eric Freedman
 

Alex,

Please keep an eye out for Kimberlite , we will be on Ponton 4 starting the evening of the 18th.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 3:55 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Seafood Party in Martinique

 

 

Hi Jeff,

I'm around and glad to meet you and other Amelians in that timeframe.

My boat will be on the hard for 3-4 days after Jan 15th.

Cheers, Alex

AMEL54 #15 / NO STRESS

 

 

On Monday, December 18, 2017, 7:58:16 AM GMT-4, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Hope so John. Will pass along the hello to Cedric


On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 06:26 PM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hi Jeff hope to make it.  If I can't ask for Cedric at the bar and tell him John and Rick said Hi!

 

On Dec 17, 2017 8:37 AM, "jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good Morning Amelians,

I just returned from Martinique, and plan to return before 1/2. 

I'm going to bring some oysters and scallops with me (which I grow and catch respectively), and hope to set up a little party. 

I'd like to get the Amel people that have been helping us get our boats upgraded together with whoever is around and have some laughs and fun. If there are oysters, wine and scallops there, what Frenchman can refuse that?

I'll look to set up the soiree when I return, but I'm talking early to mid January. Hopefully at the Kokoarum (sp) joint right there.

If any Amelians are around, they will be welcome.

Jeff 

Spirit Amel 54 #14

 

 


Re: Re-rigging and mast step

Arno Luijten
 

Thanks Alexandre,

I don’t want to hijack the topic for the original poster, but it’s so sad you lost your pride and joy. Moreover because it actually happened on my birthday! You had such a great boat and we really enjoyed the tour you gave. I still can’t get over the idea you are considering a boatless life! We really looking forward meeting you again next month.

To the OP: sorry for the digression. I hope you will receive some more useful advice soon. 


---In amelyachtowners@..., <uster@...> wrote :

Hello Arno,

Glad you join the forum!

Was definitely nice meeting you and Mirjam in St Barth last Summer.
You are one of the last people I gave a tour of NIKIMAT.

See you in January in Sint Maarten or Martinique.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Lost on September 6 during Hurricane Irma at
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu. Yard sling lifting positions

James Alton
 

Miles,

   If you want to provide an email address,  I can send you photos of Sueño in the slings.  One other thing to consider is the location of any custom thruhull fittings on your boat, especially sensors that protrude such as a paddle wheel speed sensor. 

Best,  

James

SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Dec 20, 2017, at 5:46 PM, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi there

I’m about to get my 1985 maramu out of the water for the first time in our ownership
I’d really appreciate any advice on where the best position for the yard slings is. 

Normally I’d guess aligned with major bulkheads but I’m not yet too familiar with her underwater profile

Many thanks in advance!
Fair winds 

Miles




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Seafood Party in Martinique

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Maramu. Yard sling lifting positions

smiles bernard
 

Hi there

I’m about to get my 1985 maramu out of the water for the first time in our ownership
I’d really appreciate any advice on where the best position for the yard slings is.

Normally I’d guess aligned with major bulkheads but I’m not yet too familiar with her underwater profile

Many thanks in advance!
Fair winds

Miles


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re-rigging and mast step

Craig Briggs
 

So, Eric, did you unstep the masts and redo wiring, paint etc., as Mike asked, or did the re-rig with the masts up? What was the cost?
Cheers


---In amelyachtowners@..., <kimberlite@...> wrote :

Dear Mike,

We just had the standing rigging replaced by Amels rigger Gaetan in Martinique. Their chief rigger

has been doing Amels for over 25 years. They have all the genuine parts to replace the standing rigging

In stock. They are quite busy so an appointment is necessary.

 

They replaced my rigging in 2 ½ days. Their workmanship is amazing , they even hand polished the chain plates before attaching the rigging.  While you are doing the rigging it would be a good idea to have Amel rebuild the genoa furler as it has to come off to re rig.

Jean COLLIN had this done in the Amel shop there in one day.

Kimberlite is 15 years old with about 78,000 miles on her, it was time.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 8:23 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re-rigging and mast step

 

 

We are considering redoing the standing rigging that hasn’t been touched in 18 years. Would it make sense to step the mast, do detailed inspection, replace parts/wires/messengers, etc.   while the rigging is being replaced?

Always a pleasure to get opinions from this group.

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Lying lonely until January at Falmouth Harbor, Antigua

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Seafood Party in Martinique

Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
 

Hi Jeff,
I'm around and glad to meet you and other Amelians in that timeframe.
My boat will be on the hard for 3-4 days after Jan 15th.
Cheers, Alex
AMEL54 #15 / NO STRESS


On Monday, December 18, 2017, 7:58:16 AM GMT-4, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Hope so John. Will pass along the hello to Cedric


On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 06:26 PM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hi Jeff hope to make it.  If I can't ask for Cedric at the bar and tell him John and Rick said Hi!

On Dec 17, 2017 8:37 AM, "jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good Morning Amelians,
I just returned from Martinique, and plan to return before 1/2. 
I'm going to bring some oysters and scallops with me (which I grow and catch respectively), and hope to set up a little party. 
I'd like to get the Amel people that have been helping us get our boats upgraded together with whoever is around and have some laughs and fun. If there are oysters, wine and scallops there, what Frenchman can refuse that?
I'll look to set up the soiree when I return, but I'm talking early to mid January. Hopefully at the Kokoarum (sp) joint right there.
If any Amelians are around, they will be welcome.
Jeff 
Spirit Amel 54 #14



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop

Eric Freedman
 

Hola Gabriele,

Are you satisfied with the marina that you are at in Cartagena?

A year ago we were in the Santa Marta marina. It is a lovely marina. Unfortunately when the wind is from the East the boats get coated in coal dust as there is a coal burning plant to the East of the marina. I was thinking of heading to Colombia again later this year to spend some time with my novia.

Gracias,

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376







From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 11:13 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop





James,

Sunny Side is at Todomar Yard Cartagena

Your understanding of my bad english is 100% correct.

End of January, I will be on board and I will look for where I ordered my cooler from.

The name of your boat is Sueno or Sueño ?

Regards

Gabriele

SV Sunny Side

Maramu #219



_____

From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@aol.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 9:29
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop





Gabriele,



I am glad that you are having good luck! Thanks for the tip on the Militec-1, what I have read about the product sounds very promising. I will order some and give it a try.



So if I understand you correctly, you changed your aluminum cooler back in 1997 when the engine had 4,000 hours on it, you now have 10,000 hours on your engine and you are still using the same cooler? May I ask where you ordered your cooler from? It seems that some people are having problems with their coolers corroding quickly.



Perhaps our boats were built side by side side since Sueno is #220? May I ask where your boat is now?



Best,



James

SV Sueno

Maramu #220



On Dec 19, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Gabriele Antolini svsunnyside@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:





Hi James

- Good care : YES , Exceptional care: I do not think so. The only thing I use , that not everyone use , is: MILITEC-1 (everywhere possible, on sea and on land) according to the producer recommendations . Nothing to do with the cooler.

- Cooler : Yes I have the small square aluminum cooler. I changed it on 97 . when I received the boat, with 4,000 hours.

From 99 to 2006 I was living on board using marinas only when could not be evitable. In the last ten years, at the end of my four months sailing season, in April, I ran the engine for one hour with fresh water(half an hour one day and half an hour, one day or two later) .

A little of luck is always welcome.

Gabriele

SV Sunny Side

Maramu #219


_____


From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@aol.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 19 December 2017, 12:06
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop





Gabriele Anolini,



That is amazing, you must be taking exceptional care of your transmission. Do you have a cooler on your transmission? Foley seems to be saying that 1000 hours is about all that we should expect. It would be nice to know which factors seem to lead to a longer service life.



Happy Holidays,



James



SV Sueno

Maramu #220



On Dec 19, 2017, at 11:25 AM, Gabriele Antolini svsunnyside@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:





James



I can confirm you that the Hurth 250 transmission can work much more than 4,000 hours. Mine passed 10,000 hours and , still now, never gave me a problem.



Best



Gabriele Antolini

SV Sunny Side

Maramu #219

Todomar Yard Cartagena




_____


From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@aol.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 18 December 2017, 23:42
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop





Dave,



Thanks for this information. At least I now know that at least some of the Hurth 250 transmissions installed on Maramu’s are lasting longer than the 4,000 hours that mine has. So far my transmission seems to be working fine but the failure mode that you experienced does not sound like a pleasant to experience so maybe I will do something preemptive before long.



I have heard of others having a problem with their aluminum coolers corroding quickly as well.. Without being bonded, I would think that the aluminum parts immersed in seawater would become the sacrificial items on the engine so maybe that could be part of your problem as you suspect. I am wondering however if there is more than one manufacturer of these coolers with some being made of a more corrosion resistant alloy? The original cooler on my transmission had a plate on it that in large letters had the name Hurth, Monchen, Made in West Germany. The old rusty hose clamps, hoses and the apparent age of the ID plate and mounting bolts suggests to me that this cooler had been on the transmission for a very long time.. The one that I ordered as a replacement and installed this year with all new hoses was sold by “Mr Cool” 3306107001 ZF Transmission/Gear Cooler. The replacement cooler cost $165.00 USD. The Cooler being sold by Foley is much more expensive, $395.00 which comes with a quart of their special synthetic fluid. I think I will inquire and see what they say about the large cost differential. Can you tell me where you have been buying your coolers?



In part over corrosion concerns for my cooler, I have been flushing the engine with fresh water whenever the engine will sit for more than a couple of days which I think should help to reduce the corrosion some. I think that I will open the cooler at least every couple of seasons to see how much corrosion is present.



Best,



James Alton

SV Sueno, #220

Arbatax, Italy



On Dec 18, 2017, at 8:32 PM, David Wallace svairops@hotmail..com <mailto:svairops@hotmail.com> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



James,



Our Hurth 250 started acting up in 2002 with about 6000 hours on the engine. Intermittently it would not go into forward, first discovered when backing out of a slip which made for an interesting evolution. We had it rebuilt with no issue.



Maybe I have a grounding problem on the 4.154 but the aluminum cooler only seems to last a year or two. I now have several, and try to catch the corrosion before it gets to bad. Then I clean up the cooler and rebuild it with aluminum epoxy that I buy from Cotronics. Works really well.



Regards,



Dave

s/v Air Ops

Maramu #104



On Dec 18, 2017, at 7:50 AM, James Alton lokiyawl2@aol.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:





Mike,



My Maramu has a plate mounted just in front of the shift lever warning to never leave the transmission in Fwd. gear while sailing. My boat has a fixed 20” (?) 3 blade prop which can produce a large amount of torque when sailing at higher speeds. I am guessing that since your prop feathers(so produces little torque if any when feathered) that it may not matter as much which gear you use but apparently due to the design the Reverse gear is stronger and therefore safer to use when locking the prop shaft. Perhaps others can verify if this would be correct.



I also read in Foley the these gears seem to last about 1000 hours on average. The gear on my boat has the same paint as the engine and I don’t see any evidence of it having been replaced. The engine now has just over 4,000 hours. Could others comment on the life expectancy the have experienced with the Hurth gears? My boat appears to have had an aluminum cooler for a very long time, it may in fact have been original based on the installation. I replaced the old cooler with a new aluminum one.. The old one was not leaking but when cleaning out the inside I found several pin holes that were only plugged with corrosion so it was overdue.. I just got an email back from Foley saying that they have discontinued selling the stainless coolers and now only sell the aluminum. I wonder if there were corrosion concerns betwee the aluminum gear case and the stainless coolers. I will try to find out.



Best,



James

SV Sueno, Maramu #220



On Dec 18, 2017, at 11:19 AM, 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@verizon.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:





Who’d of thought there was so much to know about transmissions and their lubrication! Foley website full of interesting information. On a related topic...



Dr.. Diesel Tip #101 at Foley says DO NOT put Hurth trans into forward to stop freewheeling, only reverse.

We have always put the trans in forward to stop the freewheeling and fold the Autoprop when under sail. Given Amels have a “C” drive, does Dr. Diesels Tip apply? Have to pose the question just in case there are opinions among our ranks.



Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Falmouth Harbor, Antigua


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re-rigging and mast step

Eric Freedman
 

Dear Mike,

We just had the standing rigging replaced by Amels rigger Gaetan in Martinique. Their chief rigger

has been doing Amels for over 25 years. They have all the genuine parts to replace the standing rigging

In stock. They are quite busy so an appointment is necessary.

 

They replaced my rigging in 2 ½ days. Their workmanship is amazing , they even hand polished the chain plates before attaching the rigging.  While you are doing the rigging it would be a good idea to have Amel rebuild the genoa furler as it has to come off to re rig.

Jean COLLIN had this done in the Amel shop there in one day.

Kimberlite is 15 years old with about 78,000 miles on her, it was time.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 8:23 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re-rigging and mast step

 

 

We are considering redoing the standing rigging that hasn’t been touched in 18 years. Would it make sense to step the mast, do detailed inspection, replace parts/wires/messengers, etc.   while the rigging is being replaced?

Always a pleasure to get opinions from this group.

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Lying lonely until January at Falmouth Harbor, Antigua

 


Re: Insurance

Ian Park
 

Paul,
Great hear good news after bad. We transferred to Y Yachts 3 years ago. Comforting to know it was a good move.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

Paul Osterberg
 

Pat

Thank you

Ralph informed me about the closure so everything under control. 

Yes it was very nice to get the go-ahead before Christmas, now we can relax on that matter and enjoy time with family

 

Paul


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop

James Alton
 

Gabriele,

I have not yet visited Columbia.. Your english is fine, no problem. I will post what I find out about the coolers sold by Foley. Thanks for planning to provide the information that you have on a source for the aluminum coolers sometime next year.

That is very interesting that you are asking the spelling of my boat’s name. I have been leaving of the accent since it does not appear anywhere on my Mac keyboard so I assumed that it was unavailable. Since you did ask about this however, I did some research on the internet and found a key sequence that will allow me to type Sueño with the accent. I should have researched this earlier! This is the boats original name, which means Dream in Spanish.

Best,
James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Dec 20, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Gabriele Antolini svsunnyside@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


James,
Sunny Side is at Todomar Yard Cartagena
Your understanding of my bad english is 100% correct.
End of January, I will be on board and I will look for where I ordered my cooler from.
The name of your boat is Sueno or Sueño ?
Regards
Gabriele
SV Sunny Side
Maramu #219


From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@aol.com <mailto:lokiyawl2@aol.com> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 9:29
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop


Gabriele,

I am glad that you are having good luck! Thanks for the tip on the Militec-1, what I have read about the product sounds very promising. I will order some and give it a try.

So if I understand you correctly, you changed your aluminum cooler back in 1997 when the engine had 4,000 hours on it, you now have 10,000 hours on your engine and you are still using the same cooler? May I ask where you ordered your cooler from? It seems that some people are having problems with their coolers corroding quickly.

Perhaps our boats were built side by side side since Sueno is #220? May I ask where your boat is now?

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Dec 19, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Gabriele Antolini svsunnyside@yahoo.com <mailto:svsunnyside@yahoo.com> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:


Hi James
- Good care : YES , Exceptional care: I do not think so. The only thing I use , that not everyone use , is: MILITEC-1 (everywhere possible, on sea and on land) according to the producer recommendations . Nothing to do with the cooler.
- Cooler : Yes I have the small square aluminum cooler. I changed it on 97 . when I received the boat, with 4,000 hours.
From 99 to 2006 I was living on board using marinas only when could not be evitable. In the last ten years, at the end of my four months sailing season, in April, I ran the engine for one hour with fresh water(half an hour one day and half an hour, one day or two later) .
A little of luck is always welcome.

Gabriele
SV Sunny Side
Maramu #219
From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@aol.com <mailto:lokiyawl2@aol.com> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 19 December 2017, 12:06
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop


Gabriele Anolini,

That is amazing, you must be taking exceptional care of your transmission. Do you have a cooler on your transmission? Foley seems to be saying that 1000 hours is about all that we should expect. It would be nice to know which factors seem to lead to a longer service life.

Happy Holidays,

James

SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Dec 19, 2017, at 11:25 AM, Gabriele Antolini svsunnyside@yahoo.com <mailto:svsunnyside@yahoo.com> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:


James

I can confirm you that the Hurth 250 transmission can work much more than 4,000 hours. Mine passed 10,000 hours and , still now, never gave me a problem.

Best

Gabriele Antolini
SV Sunny Side
Maramu #219
Todomar Yard Cartagena


From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@aol.com <mailto:lokiyawl2@aol.com> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 18 December 2017, 23:42
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop


Dave,

Thanks for this information. At least I now know that at least some of the Hurth 250 transmissions installed on Maramu’s are lasting longer than the 4,000 hours that mine has. So far my transmission seems to be working fine but the failure mode that you experienced does not sound like a pleasant to experience so maybe I will do something preemptive before long.

I have heard of others having a problem with their aluminum coolers corroding quickly as well.. Without being bonded, I would think that the aluminum parts immersed in seawater would become the sacrificial items on the engine so maybe that could be part of your problem as you suspect. I am wondering however if there is more than one manufacturer of these coolers with some being made of a more corrosion resistant alloy? The original cooler on my transmission had a plate on it that in large letters had the name Hurth, Monchen, Made in West Germany. The old rusty hose clamps, hoses and the apparent age of the ID plate and mounting bolts suggests to me that this cooler had been on the transmission for a very long time.. The one that I ordered as a replacement and installed this year with all new hoses was sold by “Mr Cool” 3306107001 ZF Transmission/Gear Cooler. The replacement cooler cost $165.00 USD. The Cooler being sold by Foley is much more expensive, $395.00 which comes with a quart of their special synthetic fluid. I think I will inquire and see what they say about the large cost differential. Can you tell me where you have been buying your coolers?

In part over corrosion concerns for my cooler, I have been flushing the engine with fresh water whenever the engine will sit for more than a couple of days which I think should help to reduce the corrosion some. I think that I will open the cooler at least every couple of seasons to see how much corrosion is present.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno, #220
Arbatax, Italy

On Dec 18, 2017, at 8:32 PM, David Wallace svairops@hotmail..com <mailto:svairops@hotmail.com> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:

James,

Our Hurth 250 started acting up in 2002 with about 6000 hours on the engine. Intermittently it would not go into forward, first discovered when backing out of a slip which made for an interesting evolution. We had it rebuilt with no issue.

Maybe I have a grounding problem on the 4.154 but the aluminum cooler only seems to last a year or two. I now have several, and try to catch the corrosion before it gets to bad. Then I clean up the cooler and rebuild it with aluminum epoxy that I buy from Cotronics. Works really well.

Regards,

Dave
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104

On Dec 18, 2017, at 7:50 AM, James Alton lokiyawl2@aol.com <mailto:lokiyawl2@aol.com> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:

Mike,

My Maramu has a plate mounted just in front of the shift lever warning to never leave the transmission in Fwd. gear while sailing. My boat has a fixed 20” (?) 3 blade prop which can produce a large amount of torque when sailing at higher speeds. I am guessing that since your prop feathers(so produces little torque if any when feathered) that it may not matter as much which gear you use but apparently due to the design the Reverse gear is stronger and therefore safer to use when locking the prop shaft. Perhaps others can verify if this would be correct.

I also read in Foley the these gears seem to last about 1000 hours on average. The gear on my boat has the same paint as the engine and I don’t see any evidence of it having been replaced. The engine now has just over 4,000 hours. Could others comment on the life expectancy the have experienced with the Hurth gears? My boat appears to have had an aluminum cooler for a very long time, it may in fact have been original based on the installation. I replaced the old cooler with a new aluminum one.. The old one was not leaking but when cleaning out the inside I found several pin holes that were only plugged with corrosion so it was overdue.. I just got an email back from Foley saying that they have discontinued selling the stainless coolers and now only sell the aluminum. I wonder if there were corrosion concerns betwee the aluminum gear case and the stainless coolers. I will try to find out.

Best,

James
SV Sueno, Maramu #220

On Dec 18, 2017, at 11:19 AM, 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@verizon.net <mailto:mdondra@verizon.net> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:


Who’d of thought there was so much to know about transmissions and their lubrication! Foley website full of interesting information. On a related topic...

Dr.. Diesel Tip #101 at Foley says DO NOT put Hurth trans into forward to stop freewheeling, only reverse.
We have always put the trans in forward to stop the freewheeling and fold the Autoprop when under sail. Given Amels have a “C” drive, does Dr. Diesels Tip apply? Have to pose the question just in case there are opinions among our ranks.

Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240
Falmouth Harbor, Antigua









Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

Patrick McAneny
 

Paul, If you have trouble contacting Georgetown Marina , they just closed until after the New Years and Nick who will be doing the work on your boat left a couple of days ago for New Zealand and will return in three weeks. I am glad things work out with your insurance.
Happy Holidays,
Pat & Diane
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Dec 20, 2017 1:41 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 
It has been a few posts concerning Insurance. This is our experience
We hit an underwater breakwater this summer which resulted in rather high cost for the repair. It is not until you have a claim one know if one could trust and recommend the insurer. Today we got the go ahead from the insurer to repair our SM Kerpa. We have had Oliver Beauté to inspect the damage, and Kerpa will be repaired according to his instructions.  All communication with the insurance company has been very prompt and correct. Our Insurer is Y Yacht an English based insurance broker with rather reasonable rates.
 
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Paul,

Thanks for keeping us updated and again sorry about your mishap.
That is the way to go with Olivier as your adjuster.

Earlier this year I actually contacted Barrie Sullivan from Y Insurance and was considering using them next year.
They were stricter on Hurricane plan and solo sailing (only 18 hours) but with clear explanations on how you dock, sail, etc. they were willing to increased back to 24 hours, allow some marinas, etc.
They seem reasonable and open to discussion.

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Wed, 12/20/17, osterberg.paul.l@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 12:27 PM


 









It has been a few posts
concerning Insurance. This is our experienceWe hit an underwater
breakwater this summer which resulted in rather high cost
for the repair. It is
not until you have a claim one know if one could trust and
recommend the
insurer. Today we got the go ahead from the insurer to
repair our SM Kerpa. We
have had Oliver Beauté to inspect the damage, and Kerpa
will be repaired according
to his instructions.  All communication
with the insurance company has been very prompt and correct.
Our Insurer is Y Yacht an English based insurance broker
with rather
reasonable rates.  Paul on S/Y Kerpa
SM#259


Insurance

Paul Osterberg
 

It has been a few posts concerning Insurance. This is our experience

We hit an underwater breakwater this summer which resulted in rather high cost for the repair. It is not until you have a claim one know if one could trust and recommend the insurer. Today we got the go ahead from the insurer to repair our SM Kerpa. We have had Oliver Beauté to inspect the damage, and Kerpa will be repaired according to his instructions.  All communication with the insurance company has been very prompt and correct. Our Insurer is Y Yacht an English based insurance broker with rather reasonable rates.

 

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Re-rigging and mast step

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Arno,

Glad you join the forum!

Was definitely nice meeting you and Mirjam in St Barth last Summer.
You are one of the last people I gave a tour of NIKIMAT.

See you in January in Sint Maarten or Martinique.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Lost on September 6 during Hurricane Irma at
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA


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On Wed, 12/20/17, arno.luijten@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Re-rigging and mast step
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 10:10 AM


 









I have no direct experience with Amel (yet) but
looking at my own boat, I would say yes, it make a lot of
sense. Looking at all parts up close always reveals things
you can’t see when the masts are up. If your masts are
painted you may consider a paint job as well. But replacing
the runnig rigging, inspecting the sheaves, anchor points.
etc.  and lubrication of whatever it is that is up there is
for sure no luxury. The added value is you will have even
more peace of mind afterwards about the rigging.
Cheers,Arno


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop

svsunnyside
 

James,
Sunny Side is at Todomar Yard Cartagena
Your understanding of my bad english is 100% correct.
End of January, I will be on board and I will look for where I ordered my cooler from.
The name of your boat is Sueno or Sueño ?
Regards
Gabriele
SV Sunny Side
Maramu #219



From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 9:29
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop

 
Gabriele,

   I am glad that you are having good luck!  Thanks for the tip on the Militec-1, what I have read about the product sounds very promising.  I will order some and give it a try.

   So if I understand you correctly,  you changed your aluminum cooler back in 1997 when the engine had 4,000 hours on it,  you now have 10,000 hours on your engine and you are still using the same cooler?  May I ask where you ordered your cooler from?  It seems that some people are having problems with their coolers corroding quickly.

   Perhaps our boats were built side by side side since Sueno is #220?   May I ask where your boat is now?

Best,

James 
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Dec 19, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Gabriele Antolini svsunnyside@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi James
 - Good care : YES  ,  Exceptional care: I do not think so. The only thing I use ,  that not everyone use ,  is:  MILITEC-1 (everywhere possible, on sea and on land) according to the producer recommendations . Nothing to do with the cooler.
 - Cooler  : Yes I have the small square aluminum cooler. I changed it on 97 . when I received the boat, with 4,000 hours.
From 99 to 2006 I was living on board using marinas only when could not be evitable. In the last ten years, at the end of my four months sailing season, in April, I ran the engine for one hour with fresh water(half an hour one day and half an hour, one day or two later) . 
A little of luck is always welcome. 

Gabriele
SV Sunny Side
Maramu #219

From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@... 
Sent: Tuesday, 19 December 2017, 12:06
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop

 
Gabriele Anolini,

   That is amazing,  you must be taking exceptional care of your transmission.  Do you have a cooler on your transmission?  Foley seems to be saying that 1000 hours is about all that we should expect.  It would be nice to know which factors seem to lead to a longer service life.   

Happy Holidays,

James

SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Dec 19, 2017, at 11:25 AM, Gabriele Antolini svsunnyside@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


James

I can confirm you that the Hurth 250 transmission can work much more than 4,000 hours. Mine passed 10,000 hours and , still now, never gave me a problem.

Best

Gabriele Antolini
SV Sunny Side 
Maramu #219
Todomar Yard Cartagena



From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@... 
Sent: Monday, 18 December 2017, 23:42
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop

 
Dave,

   Thanks for this information.  At least I now know that at least some of the Hurth 250 transmissions installed on Maramu’s are lasting longer than the 4,000 hours that mine has.  So far my transmission seems to be working fine but the failure mode that you experienced does not sound like a pleasant to experience so maybe I will do something preemptive before long.  

    I have heard of others having a problem with their aluminum coolers corroding quickly as well..  Without being bonded, I would think that the aluminum parts immersed in seawater would become the sacrificial items on the engine so maybe that could be part of your problem as you suspect.  I am wondering however if there is more than one manufacturer of these coolers with some being made of a more corrosion resistant alloy?  The original cooler on my transmission had a plate on it that in large letters had the name Hurth,  Monchen,  Made in West Germany.  The old rusty hose clamps, hoses and the apparent age of the ID plate and mounting bolts suggests to me that this cooler had been on the transmission for a very long time..  The one that I ordered as a replacement and installed this year with all new hoses was sold by “Mr Cool” 3306107001 ZF Transmission/Gear Cooler.  The replacement cooler cost $165.00 USD.  The Cooler being sold by Foley is much more expensive,  $395.00 which comes with a quart of their special synthetic fluid. I think I will inquire and see what they say about the large cost differential.    Can you tell me where you have been buying your coolers?

    In part over corrosion concerns for my cooler, I have been flushing the engine with fresh water whenever the engine will sit for more than a couple of days which I think should help to reduce the corrosion some.   I think that I will open the cooler at least every couple of seasons to see how much corrosion is present.  

Best,

James  Alton
SV Sueno,  #220
Arbatax,  Italy

On Dec 18, 2017, at 8:32 PM, David Wallace svairops@hotmail..com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James, 

Our Hurth 250 started acting up in 2002 with about 6000 hours on the engine. Intermittently it would not go into forward, first discovered when backing out of a slip which made for an interesting evolution. We had it rebuilt with no issue.

Maybe I have a grounding problem on the 4.154 but the aluminum cooler only seems to last a year or two. I now have several, and try to catch the corrosion before it gets to bad. Then I clean up the cooler and rebuild it with aluminum epoxy that I buy from Cotronics. Works really well.

Regards,

Dave
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104

On Dec 18, 2017, at 7:50 AM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Mike,

   My Maramu has a plate mounted just in front of the shift lever warning to never leave the transmission in Fwd. gear while sailing.  My boat has a fixed 20” (?) 3 blade prop which can produce a large amount of torque when sailing at higher speeds.  I am guessing that since your prop feathers(so produces little torque if any when feathered)  that it may not matter as much which gear you use but apparently due to the design the Reverse gear is stronger and therefore safer to use when locking the prop shaft.  Perhaps others can verify if this would be correct.

   I also read in Foley the these gears seem to last about 1000 hours on average.  The gear on my boat has the same paint as the engine and I don’t see any evidence of it having been replaced.  The engine now has just over 4,000 hours.  Could others comment on the life expectancy the have experienced with the Hurth gears?  My boat appears to have had an aluminum cooler for a very long time,  it may in fact have been original based on the installation.  I replaced the old cooler with a new aluminum one.  The old one was not leaking but when cleaning out the inside I found several pin holes that were only plugged with corrosion so it was overdue.  I just got an email back from Foley saying that they have discontinued selling the stainless coolers and now only sell the aluminum.  I wonder if there were corrosion concerns betwee the aluminum gear case and the stainless coolers.  I will try to find out. 

Best,

James
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Dec 18, 2017, at 11:19 AM, 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Who’d of thought there was so much to know about transmissions and their lubrication! Foley website full of interesting information. On a related topic..
 
Dr.. Diesel Tip #101 at Foley says DO NOT put Hurth trans into forward to stop freewheeling, only reverse.
We have always put the trans in forward to stop the freewheeling and fold the Autoprop when under sail. Given Amels have a “C” drive, does Dr. Diesels Tip apply? Have to pose the question just in case there are opinions among our ranks.
 
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240
Falmouth Harbor, Antigua
 

















Re: Re-rigging and mast step

Arno Luijten
 

I have no direct experience with Amel (yet) but looking at my own boat, I would say yes, it make a lot of sense. Looking at all parts up close always reveals things you can’t see when the masts are up. If your masts are painted you may consider a paint job as well. But replacing the runnig rigging, inspecting the sheaves, anchor points. etc.  and lubrication of whatever it is that is up there is for sure no luxury. The added value is you will have even more peace of mind afterwards about the rigging.

Cheers,
Arno


Re-rigging and mast step

Mike Ondra
 

We are considering redoing the standing rigging that hasn’t been touched in 18 years. Would it make sense to step the mast, do detailed inspection, replace parts/wires/messengers, etc.   while the rigging is being replaced?

Always a pleasure to get opinions from this group.

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Lying lonely until January at Falmouth Harbor, Antigua

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

James Alton
 

christian alby,

    Thanks for taking the time to update us on your freshly rebuilt 4-154 along with verifying the cause of the failure.  I hope that the engine provides you many years of good service.  If not too much trouble, could you do another update in 1-2 years on how the engine has held up?

Thanks,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Dec 20, 2017, at 4:54 AM, calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Thanks to all Amel sailors who assisted me find parts for my 1982 Perkins M 4.154.
Engine is rebuilt now with new pistons, liners, bearings ... Including a brand new starter to replace the one burnt by the workshop electrician who tried to run faster by hooking my 'old faithfull' 12 volts starter on 2 batteries in series at 24 Volts !
Engine on board 19/12; hooked up & running same day at 17:00 (lost time on drive end bolts offset by 1/4 turn - lift engine & rotate whell -, then oïl cooler hoses inverted, no return = no oïl on pressure gauge).

the cause of the fault was definetly the diesel lift pump diaphragm; 63 US$ Worth of spare, Worth changing on engines which did not run for over a year or so. Check them often.

Otherwise I can only recommend UK & USA suppliers who responded & supplied replacement parts; And Tenerife workshop 'Precision T.' who did a perfect job on the mechanical part; Just keep electricians away from our installations, not their best show of experience.

We shall sail away on 24/12 to continue our round trip of South Atlantic.

fair winds to all 

christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 1982 now (not for long) in SC de Tenerife