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Re: Auxiliary fuel tanks

Derick Gates
 

Brava's previous owner mounted the life raft on the port stern rail, and installed a 240 Liter aluminum tank in the life raft locker.  This tank is plumbed into the diesel circulation system, allowing it to be used alternatively to the main diesel tank by shutting off the main feed (in the passageway) and the main return line (just before it gets to the main tank) and opening the spare tank return valve (by-passing the main tank return valve) and spare tank feed valve (as it emerges from the spare tank).  

I use the main tank until it is nearly empty, then use the spare tank. Then vice versa after filling the main tank.  I try to use a FIFO approach (First In, First Out) in using the fuel in the two tanks.  As a safety precaution in case of bad diesel, I never fill both tanks at once from the same fuel source.

The extra weight of the full spare tank only adds about a degree of port side list.  I try to counter that with storage of equipment and supplies on the starboard side, but do not obsess about it.

Derick Gates
SM2K#400 Brava
Currently on the hard in Bailey's Boatyard, Falmouth Harbour, Antigua

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop

svsunnyside
 

Hola EricThe only place I can recommend for Kimbelite is CLUB DE PESCA , eventually CLUB NAUTICO (but only eventually)I suggest to avoid a long stay because  Cartagena Bay is very polluted and fouling grow up copiously.
I live 8 months/year in Caracas , where I am resident, the rest between Cartagena and Guna Yala(San Blas).Best wishesGabrieleSunny SideMaramu #219

From: "'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2017, 13:30
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop

  Hola Gabriele,Where would you recommend docking Kimberlite for a month or two in Cartagena?What town do you live in Colombia?Fair WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376      From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 11:02 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop    Hola EricThe place where I leave my boat is not at all a marina. It is a Yard  thought and managed for power boat. After ten years I benefit of a special place and a special conditions so I am satisfied also if it is very far from Amel´s owner typology.  I know the soot story becoming from the plant in adverse wind conditions.  Best regards Eric and Enjoy Colombia  GabrieleSunny SideMaramu #219  From: "'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 15:58
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop    Hola Gabriele,Are you satisfied with the marina that you are at in Cartagena?A year ago we were in the Santa Marta marina. It is a lovely marina. Unfortunately when the wind is from the East the boats get coated in coal dust as there is a coal burning plant to the East of the marina. I was thinking of heading to Colombia again later this year to spend some time with my novia.Gracias,EricKimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376   From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 11:13 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop   James,Sunny Side is at Todomar Yard CartagenaYour understanding of my bad english is 100% correct.End of January, I will be on board and I will look for where I ordered my cooler from.The name of your boat is Sueno or Sueño ?RegardsGabrieleSV Sunny SideMaramu #219 From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 9:29
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop   Gabriele,    I am glad that you are having good luck!  Thanks for the tip on the Militec-1, what I have read about the product sounds very promising.  I will order some and give it a try.    So if I understand you correctly,  you changed your aluminum cooler back in 1997 when the engine had 4,000 hours on it,  you now have 10,000 hours on your engine and you are still using the same cooler?  May I ask where you ordered your cooler from?  It seems that some people are having problems with their coolers corroding quickly.    Perhaps our boats were built side by side side since Sueno is #220?   May I ask where your boat is now? Best, James SV SuenoMaramu #220 
On Dec 19, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Gabriele Antolini svsunnyside@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:  Hi James - Good care : YES  ,  Exceptional care: I do not think so. The only thing I use ,  that not everyone use ,  is:  MILITEC-1 (everywhere possible, on sea and on land) according to the producer recommendations . Nothing to do with the cooler. - Cooler  : Yes I have the small square aluminum cooler. I changed it on 97 . when I received the boat, with 4,000 hours.From 99 to 2006 I was living on board using marinas only when could not be evitable. In the last ten years, at the end of my four months sailing season, in April, I ran the engine for one hour with fresh water(half an hour one day and half an hour, one day or two later) . A little of luck is always welcome. GabrieleSV Sunny SideMaramu #219From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@... 
Sent: Tuesday, 19 December 2017, 12:06
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop  Gabriele Anolini,    That is amazing,  you must be taking exceptional care of your transmission.  Do you have a cooler on your transmission?  Foley seems to be saying that 1000 hours is about all that we should expect.  It would be nice to know which factors seem to lead to a longer service life.    Happy Holidays, James SV SuenoMaramu #220 
On Dec 19, 2017, at 11:25 AM, Gabriele Antolini svsunnyside@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:  James I can confirm you that the Hurth 250 transmission can work much more than 4,000 hours. Mine passed 10,000 hours and , still now, never gave me a problem. Best Gabriele AntoliniSV Sunny Side Maramu #219Todomar Yard Cartagena From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@... 
Sent: Monday, 18 December 2017, 23:42
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop  Dave,    Thanks for this information.  At least I now know that at least some of the Hurth 250 transmissions installed on Maramu’s are lasting longer than the 4,000 hours that mine has..  So far my transmission seems to be working fine but the failure mode that you experienced does not sound like a pleasant to experience so maybe I will do something preemptive before long.       I have heard of others having a problem with their aluminum coolers corroding quickly as well..  Without being bonded, I would think that the aluminum parts immersed in seawater would become the sacrificial items on the engine so maybe that could be part of your problem as you suspect.  I am wondering however if there is more than one manufacturer of these coolers with some being made of a more corrosion resistant alloy?  The original cooler on my transmission had a plate on it that in large letters had the name Hurth,  Monchen,  Made in West Germany.  The old rusty hose clamps, hoses and the apparent age of the ID plate and mounting bolts suggests to me that this cooler had been on the transmission for a very long time..  The one that I ordered as a replacement and installed this year with all new hoses was sold by “Mr Cool” 3306107001 ZF Transmission/Gear Cooler.  The replacement cooler cost $165.00 USD.  The Cooler being sold by Foley is much more expensive,  $395.00 which comes with a quart of their special synthetic fluid. I think I will inquire and see what they say about the large cost differential.    Can you tell me where you have been buying your coolers?     In part over corrosion concerns for my cooler, I have been flushing the engine with fresh water whenever the engine will sit for more than a couple of days which I think should help to reduce the corrosion some.   I think that I will open the cooler at least every couple of seasons to see how much corrosion is present.   Best, James  AltonSV Sueno,  #220Arbatax,  Italy 
On Dec 18, 2017, at 8:32 PM, David Wallace svairops@hotmail..com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: James,  Our Hurth 250 started acting up in 2002 with about 6000 hours on the engine. Intermittently it would not go into forward, first discovered when backing out of a slip which made for an interesting evolution. We had it rebuilt with no issue. Maybe I have a grounding problem on the 4.154 but the aluminum cooler only seems to last a year or two.. I now have several, and try to catch the corrosion before it gets to bad. Then I clean up the cooler and rebuild it with aluminum epoxy that I buy from Cotronics. Works really well. Regards, Daves/v Air OpsMaramu #104 On Dec 18, 2017, at 7:50 AM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:  Mike,    My Maramu has a plate mounted just in front of the shift lever warning to never leave the transmission in Fwd. gear while sailing..  My boat has a fixed 20” (?) 3 blade prop which can produce a large amount of torque when sailing at higher speeds.  I am guessing that since your prop feathers(so produces little torque if any when feathered)  that it may not matter as much which gear you use but apparently due to the design the Reverse gear is stronger and therefore safer to use when locking the prop shaft.  Perhaps others can verify if this would be correct.    I also read in Foley the these gears seem to last about 1000 hours on average.  The gear on my boat has the same paint as the engine and I don’t see any evidence of it having been replaced.  The engine now has just over 4,000 hours.  Could others comment on the life expectancy the have experienced with the Hurth gears?  My boat appears to have had an aluminum cooler for a very long time,  it may in fact have been original based on the installation.  I replaced the old cooler with a new aluminum one..  The old one was not leaking but when cleaning out the inside I found several pin holes that were only plugged with corrosion so it was overdue..  I just got an email back from Foley saying that they have discontinued selling the stainless coolers and now only sell the aluminum.  I wonder if there were corrosion concerns betwee the aluminum gear case and the stainless coolers.  I will try to find out.  Best, JamesSV Sueno,  Maramu #220 
On Dec 18, 2017, at 11:19 AM, 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:  Who’d of thought there was so much to know about transmissions and their lubrication! Foley website full of interesting information. On a related topic... Dr.. Diesel Tip #101 at Foley says DO NOT put Hurth trans into forward to stop freewheeling, only reverse.We have always put the trans in forward to stop the freewheeling and fold the Autoprop when under sail. Given Amels have a “C” drive, does Dr. Diesels Tip apply? Have to pose the question just in case there are opinions among our ranks. Mike OndraAletes SM#240Falmouth Harbor, Antigua  
    
   
   
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop

eric freedman
 

Hola Gabriele,

Where would you recommend docking Kimberlite for a month or two in Cartagena?

What town do you live in Colombia?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376







From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 11:02 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop





Hola Eric

The place where I leave my boat is not at all a marina. It is a Yard thought and managed for power boat. After ten years I benefit of a special place and a special conditions so I am satisfied also if it is very far from Amel´s owner typology.



I know the soot story becoming from the plant in adverse wind conditions.



Best regards Eric and Enjoy Colombia



Gabriele

Sunny Side

Maramu #219



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From: "'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 15:58
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop





Hola Gabriele,

Are you satisfied with the marina that you are at in Cartagena?

A year ago we were in the Santa Marta marina. It is a lovely marina. Unfortunately when the wind is from the East the boats get coated in coal dust as there is a coal burning plant to the East of the marina. I was thinking of heading to Colombia again later this year to spend some time with my novia.

Gracias,

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376







From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 11:13 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop





James,

Sunny Side is at Todomar Yard Cartagena

Your understanding of my bad english is 100% correct.

End of January, I will be on board and I will look for where I ordered my cooler from.

The name of your boat is Sueno or Sueño ?

Regards

Gabriele

SV Sunny Side

Maramu #219



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From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 9:29
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop





Gabriele,



I am glad that you are having good luck! Thanks for the tip on the Militec-1, what I have read about the product sounds very promising. I will order some and give it a try.



So if I understand you correctly, you changed your aluminum cooler back in 1997 when the engine had 4,000 hours on it, you now have 10,000 hours on your engine and you are still using the same cooler? May I ask where you ordered your cooler from? It seems that some people are having problems with their coolers corroding quickly.



Perhaps our boats were built side by side side since Sueno is #220? May I ask where your boat is now?



Best,



James

SV Sueno

Maramu #220



On Dec 19, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Gabriele Antolini svsunnyside@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:





Hi James

- Good care : YES , Exceptional care: I do not think so. The only thing I use , that not everyone use , is: MILITEC-1 (everywhere possible, on sea and on land) according to the producer recommendations . Nothing to do with the cooler.

- Cooler : Yes I have the small square aluminum cooler. I changed it on 97 . when I received the boat, with 4,000 hours.

From 99 to 2006 I was living on board using marinas only when could not be evitable. In the last ten years, at the end of my four months sailing season, in April, I ran the engine for one hour with fresh water(half an hour one day and half an hour, one day or two later) .

A little of luck is always welcome.

Gabriele

SV Sunny Side

Maramu #219


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From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, 19 December 2017, 12:06
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop





Gabriele Anolini,



That is amazing, you must be taking exceptional care of your transmission. Do you have a cooler on your transmission? Foley seems to be saying that 1000 hours is about all that we should expect. It would be nice to know which factors seem to lead to a longer service life.



Happy Holidays,



James



SV Sueno

Maramu #220



On Dec 19, 2017, at 11:25 AM, Gabriele Antolini svsunnyside@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:





James



I can confirm you that the Hurth 250 transmission can work much more than 4,000 hours. Mine passed 10,000 hours and , still now, never gave me a problem.



Best



Gabriele Antolini

SV Sunny Side

Maramu #219

Todomar Yard Cartagena




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From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, 18 December 2017, 23:42
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop





Dave,



Thanks for this information. At least I now know that at least some of the Hurth 250 transmissions installed on Maramu’s are lasting longer than the 4,000 hours that mine has.. So far my transmission seems to be working fine but the failure mode that you experienced does not sound like a pleasant to experience so maybe I will do something preemptive before long.



I have heard of others having a problem with their aluminum coolers corroding quickly as well.. Without being bonded, I would think that the aluminum parts immersed in seawater would become the sacrificial items on the engine so maybe that could be part of your problem as you suspect. I am wondering however if there is more than one manufacturer of these coolers with some being made of a more corrosion resistant alloy? The original cooler on my transmission had a plate on it that in large letters had the name Hurth, Monchen, Made in West Germany. The old rusty hose clamps, hoses and the apparent age of the ID plate and mounting bolts suggests to me that this cooler had been on the transmission for a very long time.. The one that I ordered as a replacement and installed this year with all new hoses was sold by “Mr Cool” 3306107001 ZF Transmission/Gear Cooler. The replacement cooler cost $165.00 USD. The Cooler being sold by Foley is much more expensive, $395.00 which comes with a quart of their special synthetic fluid. I think I will inquire and see what they say about the large cost differential. Can you tell me where you have been buying your coolers?



In part over corrosion concerns for my cooler, I have been flushing the engine with fresh water whenever the engine will sit for more than a couple of days which I think should help to reduce the corrosion some. I think that I will open the cooler at least every couple of seasons to see how much corrosion is present.



Best,



James Alton

SV Sueno, #220

Arbatax, Italy



On Dec 18, 2017, at 8:32 PM, David Wallace svairops@hotmail..com <mailto:svairops@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



James,



Our Hurth 250 started acting up in 2002 with about 6000 hours on the engine. Intermittently it would not go into forward, first discovered when backing out of a slip which made for an interesting evolution. We had it rebuilt with no issue.



Maybe I have a grounding problem on the 4.154 but the aluminum cooler only seems to last a year or two.. I now have several, and try to catch the corrosion before it gets to bad. Then I clean up the cooler and rebuild it with aluminum epoxy that I buy from Cotronics. Works really well.



Regards,



Dave

s/v Air Ops

Maramu #104



On Dec 18, 2017, at 7:50 AM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



Mike,



My Maramu has a plate mounted just in front of the shift lever warning to never leave the transmission in Fwd. gear while sailing. My boat has a fixed 20” (?) 3 blade prop which can produce a large amount of torque when sailing at higher speeds. I am guessing that since your prop feathers(so produces little torque if any when feathered) that it may not matter as much which gear you use but apparently due to the design the Reverse gear is stronger and therefore safer to use when locking the prop shaft. Perhaps others can verify if this would be correct.



I also read in Foley the these gears seem to last about 1000 hours on average. The gear on my boat has the same paint as the engine and I don’t see any evidence of it having been replaced. The engine now has just over 4,000 hours. Could others comment on the life expectancy the have experienced with the Hurth gears? My boat appears to have had an aluminum cooler for a very long time, it may in fact have been original based on the installation. I replaced the old cooler with a new aluminum one.. The old one was not leaking but when cleaning out the inside I found several pin holes that were only plugged with corrosion so it was overdue.. I just got an email back from Foley saying that they have discontinued selling the stainless coolers and now only sell the aluminum. I wonder if there were corrosion concerns betwee the aluminum gear case and the stainless coolers. I will try to find out.



Best,



James

SV Sueno, Maramu #220



On Dec 18, 2017, at 11:19 AM, 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:





Who’d of thought there was so much to know about transmissions and their lubrication! Foley website full of interesting information. On a related topic...



Dr.. Diesel Tip #101 at Foley says DO NOT put Hurth trans into forward to stop freewheeling, only reverse.

We have always put the trans in forward to stop the freewheeling and fold the Autoprop when under sail. Given Amels have a “C” drive, does Dr. Diesels Tip apply? Have to pose the question just in case there are opinions among our ranks.



Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Falmouth Harbor, Antigua

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auxiliary fuel tanks

eric freedman
 

Hi Tom,

I don’t notice any major list to port with the 70 gallons in the liferaft locker, possibly a degree or two.

Additionally the fuel in the tanks is not a permanent condition as is the batteries.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of thomas.kleman
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 10:31 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auxiliary fuel tanks

 

 

Hey Eric- I've been toying around with the idea of repurposing the life-raft locker in this way. One non-scientific data point that has given me pause is that when I last changed batteries, I had all 13 DT-31 batteries on the port side of my boat outside the cockpit waiting to be taken off. I noticed (or at least I perceived) a slight list of my boat to port. I wondered if 300 liters of fuel in the locker would create a similar issue. Have you noticed this ? Confession- I've done no calculations relating to the relative weights, the position of those weights, etc............one of those possible boat projects that sits idling in front of the first speed bump it encounters.

 

Tom Kleman

SV L'ORIENT

SM2K #422

Currently in Antigua 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop

Ian Park
 

John
I didn’t know it was continued into the earlier SMs. I am quite happy with a bit of drag to get all the amps back in the batteries under sail.
I have about the same engine hours as you.

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96
Marigot Bay

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop

John Clark
 

Ian,
  Some early SMs also have the shaft alternator.  I have used it extensively for the last year.  The previous owner sailed around the world with trans in neutral to make use of the alternator.  So far with 4500 hrs on engine and trans we are running fine.
Also have fixed blade prop. Hurth Z25 trans and TAMD22.

John

SV Annie. SM37
St. Augustine.

On Dec 18, 2017 7:41 PM, "Ian parkianj@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

There are some Maramus and Santorins out there that benefit greatly from the prop shaft alternator. The only time I engage reverse with the engine off is to ensure the prop shaft alternator is off prior to startup of the engine. I only engage forward when the engine is on and I want to go forward.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN6

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auxiliary fuel tanks

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

I do the same. I have 3 tanks 15 G each. And I have 24 V pump that fit's in the tanks. 

Vladimir
SM 345 " LIFE IS GOOD"

On Dec 21, 2017 11:32, "thomas.kleman" <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Hey Eric- I've been toying around with the idea of repurposing the life-raft locker in this way. One non-scientific data point that has given me pause is that when I last changed batteries, I had all 13 DT-31 batteries on the port side of my boat outside the cockpit waiting to be taken off. I noticed (or at least I perceived) a slight list of my boat to port. I wondered if 300 liters of fuel in the locker would create a similar issue. Have you noticed this ? Confession- I've done no calculations relating to the relative weights, the position of those weights, etc............one of those possible boat projects that sits idling in front of the first speed bump it encounters.


Tom Kleman
SV L'ORIENT
SM2K #422
Currently in Antigua 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop

svsunnyside
 

Hola EricThe place where I leave my boat is not at all a marina. It is a Yard  thought and managed for power boat. After ten years I benefit of a special place and a special conditions so I am satisfied also if it is very far from Amel´s owner typology.
I know the soot story becoming from the plant in adverse wind conditions.
Best regards Eric and Enjoy Colombia
GabrieleSunny SideMaramu #219

From: "'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 15:58
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop

  Hola Gabriele,Are you satisfied with the marina that you are at in Cartagena?A year ago we were in the Santa Marta marina. It is a lovely marina. Unfortunately when the wind is from the East the boats get coated in coal dust as there is a coal burning plant to the East of the marina. I was thinking of heading to Colombia again later this year to spend some time with my novia.Gracias,EricKimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376      From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 11:13 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop    James,Sunny Side is at Todomar Yard CartagenaYour understanding of my bad english is 100% correct.End of January, I will be on board and I will look for where I ordered my cooler from.The name of your boat is Sueno or Sueño ?RegardsGabrieleSV Sunny SideMaramu #219  From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 9:29
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop    Gabriele,     I am glad that you are having good luck!  Thanks for the tip on the Militec-1, what I have read about the product sounds very promising.  I will order some and give it a try.     So if I understand you correctly,  you changed your aluminum cooler back in 1997 when the engine had 4,000 hours on it,  you now have 10,000 hours on your engine and you are still using the same cooler?  May I ask where you ordered your cooler from?  It seems that some people are having problems with their coolers corroding quickly.     Perhaps our boats were built side by side side since Sueno is #220?   May I ask where your boat is now?  Best,  James SV SuenoMaramu #220  
On Dec 19, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Gabriele Antolini svsunnyside@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:    Hi James - Good care : YES  ,  Exceptional care: I do not think so. The only thing I use ,  that not everyone use ,  is:  MILITEC-1 (everywhere possible, on sea and on land) according to the producer recommendations . Nothing to do with the cooler. - Cooler  : Yes I have the small square aluminum cooler. I changed it on 97 . when I received the boat, with 4,000 hours.From 99 to 2006 I was living on board using marinas only when could not be evitable. In the last ten years, at the end of my four months sailing season, in April, I ran the engine for one hour with fresh water(half an hour one day and half an hour, one day or two later) . A little of luck is always welcome. GabrieleSV Sunny SideMaramu #219From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@... 
Sent: Tuesday, 19 December 2017, 12:06
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop   Gabriele Anolini,     That is amazing,  you must be taking exceptional care of your transmission.  Do you have a cooler on your transmission?  Foley seems to be saying that 1000 hours is about all that we should expect.  It would be nice to know which factors seem to lead to a longer service life.     Happy Holidays,  James  SV SuenoMaramu #220  
On Dec 19, 2017, at 11:25 AM, Gabriele Antolini svsunnyside@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:    James  I can confirm you that the Hurth 250 transmission can work much more than 4,000 hours. Mine passed 10,000 hours and , still now, never gave me a problem.  Best  Gabriele AntoliniSV Sunny Side Maramu #219Todomar Yard Cartagena  From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@... 
Sent: Monday, 18 December 2017, 23:42
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop   Dave,     Thanks for this information.  At least I now know that at least some of the Hurth 250 transmissions installed on Maramu’s are lasting longer than the 4,000 hours that mine has..  So far my transmission seems to be working fine but the failure mode that you experienced does not sound like a pleasant to experience so maybe I will do something preemptive before long.        I have heard of others having a problem with their aluminum coolers corroding quickly as well..  Without being bonded, I would think that the aluminum parts immersed in seawater would become the sacrificial items on the engine so maybe that could be part of your problem as you suspect.  I am wondering however if there is more than one manufacturer of these coolers with some being made of a more corrosion resistant alloy?  The original cooler on my transmission had a plate on it that in large letters had the name Hurth,  Monchen,  Made in West Germany.  The old rusty hose clamps, hoses and the apparent age of the ID plate and mounting bolts suggests to me that this cooler had been on the transmission for a very long time..  The one that I ordered as a replacement and installed this year with all new hoses was sold by “Mr Cool” 3306107001 ZF Transmission/Gear Cooler.  The replacement cooler cost $165.00 USD.  The Cooler being sold by Foley is much more expensive,  $395.00 which comes with a quart of their special synthetic fluid. I think I will inquire and see what they say about the large cost differential.    Can you tell me where you have been buying your coolers?      In part over corrosion concerns for my cooler, I have been flushing the engine with fresh water whenever the engine will sit for more than a couple of days which I think should help to reduce the corrosion some.   I think that I will open the cooler at least every couple of seasons to see how much corrosion is present.    Best,  James  AltonSV Sueno,  #220Arbatax,  Italy  
On Dec 18, 2017, at 8:32 PM, David Wallace svairops@hotmail..com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:  James,   Our Hurth 250 started acting up in 2002 with about 6000 hours on the engine. Intermittently it would not go into forward, first discovered when backing out of a slip which made for an interesting evolution. We had it rebuilt with no issue.  Maybe I have a grounding problem on the 4.154 but the aluminum cooler only seems to last a year or two. I now have several, and try to catch the corrosion before it gets to bad. Then I clean up the cooler and rebuild it with aluminum epoxy that I buy from Cotronics. Works really well.  Regards,  Daves/v Air OpsMaramu #104  On Dec 18, 2017, at 7:50 AM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Mike,     My Maramu has a plate mounted just in front of the shift lever warning to never leave the transmission in Fwd. gear while sailing.  My boat has a fixed 20” (?) 3 blade prop which can produce a large amount of torque when sailing at higher speeds.  I am guessing that since your prop feathers(so produces little torque if any when feathered)  that it may not matter as much which gear you use but apparently due to the design the Reverse gear is stronger and therefore safer to use when locking the prop shaft.  Perhaps others can verify if this would be correct.     I also read in Foley the these gears seem to last about 1000 hours on average.  The gear on my boat has the same paint as the engine and I don’t see any evidence of it having been replaced.  The engine now has just over 4,000 hours.  Could others comment on the life expectancy the have experienced with the Hurth gears?  My boat appears to have had an aluminum cooler for a very long time,  it may in fact have been original based on the installation.  I replaced the old cooler with a new aluminum one..  The old one was not leaking but when cleaning out the inside I found several pin holes that were only plugged with corrosion so it was overdue..  I just got an email back from Foley saying that they have discontinued selling the stainless coolers and now only sell the aluminum.  I wonder if there were corrosion concerns betwee the aluminum gear case and the stainless coolers.  I will try to find out.   Best,  JamesSV Sueno,  Maramu #220  
On Dec 18, 2017, at 11:19 AM, 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:    Who’d of thought there was so much to know about transmissions and their lubrication! Foley website full of interesting information. On a related topic... Dr.. Diesel Tip #101 at Foley says DO NOT put Hurth trans into forward to stop freewheeling, only reverse.We have always put the trans in forward to stop the freewheeling and fold the Autoprop when under sail. Given Amels have a “C” drive, does Dr. Diesels Tip apply? Have to pose the question just in case there are opinions among our ranks. Mike OndraAletes SM#240Falmouth Harbor, Antigua   
       
     
     
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re-rigging and mast step

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Tom,

I have of pictures of your boat anchored at Gustavia from when I arrive there last June.
If you let me know your email address I email them to you.
My email is uster@... (uster at rocketmail dot com)

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Thu, 12/21/17, thomas. kleman <no_reply@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re-rigging and mast step
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, December 21, 2017, 9:43 AM


 









I can second the comments here regarding Caribe
Greement (the Amel rigger in Martinique). Philipe (owner)
and Gaetan were great. We replaced all the standing rigging
and added a staysail per Amel's specs including the
backstay rigging. The work was done very
professionally......and the total was about $10,000 for the
rigging and another $6,000 for the staysail rig
installation. We bought the actual staysail from North Sails
in Martinique for around $2,000. Philipe and Gaetan seem to
do quite a bit of work on Amels and they both love these
boats (they also stock everything you would
need)......Philipe told me he never sees an Amel come in
with an actual rig failure as the components are of super
high quality out of the factory. He's 53 and still
climbs masts every day, so I guess he'd
know.
Tom
KlemanSV L'ORIENTSM2K #422

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re-rigging and mast step

thomas.kleman <no_reply@...>
 

I can second the comments here regarding Caribe Greement (the Amel rigger in Martinique). Philipe (owner) and Gaetan were great. We replaced all the standing rigging and added a staysail per Amel's specs including the backstay rigging. The work was done very professionally......and the total was about $10,000 for the rigging and another $6,000 for the staysail rig installation. We bought the actual staysail from North Sails in Martinique for around $2,000. Philipe and Gaetan seem to do quite a bit of work on Amels and they both love these boats (they also stock everything you would need)......Philipe told me he never sees an Amel come in with an actual rig failure as the components are of super high quality out of the factory. He's 53 and still climbs masts every day, so I guess he'd know.

Tom Kleman
SV L'ORIENT
SM2K #422

Re: Auxiliary fuel tanks

thomas.kleman <no_reply@...>
 

Hey Eric- I've been toying around with the idea of repurposing the life-raft locker in this way. One non-scientific data point that has given me pause is that when I last changed batteries, I had all 13 DT-31 batteries on the port side of my boat outside the cockpit waiting to be taken off. I noticed (or at least I perceived) a slight list of my boat to port. I wondered if 300 liters of fuel in the locker would create a similar issue. Have you noticed this ? Confession- I've done no calculations relating to the relative weights, the position of those weights, etc............one of those possible boat projects that sits idling in front of the first speed bump it encounters.

Tom Kleman
SV L'ORIENT
SM2K #422
Currently in Antigua 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] The magic hose removal tool

eric freedman
 

Mark,

It really depends om how you use the tool. If you elevate the point and go medieval with the tool   it will pierce the hose. The purpose of this tool is to wedge the larger portion of the point parallel to the hose. You then roll the tool around the perimeter of the fitting it will  loosen the hose. Never elevate the point. I have used it a few times and I have had no problems. The tool must be used gently and slowly. I cannot understand how one could pierce a hose if you maintain the tool in correct position. A small screwdriver is not the way to remove a hose that will probably pierce the hose. Then again I am a jeweler and don’t break small things.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 5:01 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] The magic hose removal tool

 

 

I was introduced to this tool when I attended diesel school. However, our instructor said to use it as a last ditch effort to remove a stuck hose since it is likely to puncture or cut the hose. He suggest a method that has work very well using WD40. Spray the rim of the hose with WD40 and let it sit for a couple of minutes. Twist the hose a little. Repeat if necessary. If this fails, us the tool (or a small screw driver) to open up a small spot on the end of the hose. Insert the red spray straw that comes with the WD40 and spray in WD40. This has always worked.

 

Be sure to remove WD40 with dishwashing detergent before replacing the hose since you’ll probably want the hose to stay on.

 

Dish washing detergent is also a great lube to use when replacing stubborn hoses and impellers.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Martinique

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 12:27 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] The magic hose removal tool

 

 

Hi All,

I am sure many of you already have this tool. After 40 years of breaking my back trying to get hoses off of hose barbs and fittings , I saw this on the internet for less than $4-.

Just insert it between the fitting and hose,  work it around between  the fitting and hose to break it loose then one tug and you are done.

 

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1098525465

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] The magic hose removal tool

Mark Erdos
 

I was introduced to this tool when I attended diesel school. However, our instructor said to use it as a last ditch effort to remove a stuck hose since it is likely to puncture or cut the hose. He suggest a method that has work very well using WD40. Spray the rim of the hose with WD40 and let it sit for a couple of minutes. Twist the hose a little. Repeat if necessary. If this fails, us the tool (or a small screw driver) to open up a small spot on the end of the hose. Insert the red spray straw that comes with the WD40 and spray in WD40. This has always worked.

 

Be sure to remove WD40 with dishwashing detergent before replacing the hose since you’ll probably want the hose to stay on.

 

Dish washing detergent is also a great lube to use when replacing stubborn hoses and impellers.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Martinique

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 12:27 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] The magic hose removal tool

 

 

Hi All,

I am sure many of you already have this tool. After 40 years of breaking my back trying to get hoses off of hose barbs and fittings , I saw this on the internet for less than $4-.

Just insert it between the fitting and hose,  work it around between  the fitting and hose to break it loose then one tug and you are done.

 

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1098525465

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

James
will do an update when returning to home port in 2019
Just to complete results of trial run, oïl pressure went down to 1 bar at 700 rpm after 3 hrs running (cooling maintained at 70°C).
Engine purring nicely, no leaks.
I book it to the ol pump condition (scored  innards).
Added Wynn's Supercharge to thicken oïl & oïl pressure went up to 1.2 bar at 700 Rpm; much better but temporary solution.
Thinking of adding one oïl pump piggy-back on engine (oïl cooling hoses) either driven by pulley or electric. Will pursue.

Fair winds

christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - SC de Tenerife

Christian Alby - France home fixe +33 (0)5 34 39 06 02 home Internet +33 (0)9 60 37 22 72 mobile +33 (0)6 42 69 07 80


Le ‎mercredi‎ ‎20‎ ‎décembre‎ ‎2017‎ ‎10‎:‎18‎:‎26‎ ‎GMT, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :


 

christian alby,


    Thanks for taking the time to update us on your freshly rebuilt 4-154 along with verifying the cause of the failure.  I hope that the engine provides you many years of good service.  If not too much trouble, could you do another update in 1-2 years on how the engine has held up?

Thanks,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Dec 20, 2017, at 4:54 AM, calbyy@yahoo..fr [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Thanks to all Amel sailors who assisted me find parts for my 1982 Perkins M 4.154.
Engine is rebuilt now with new pistons, liners, bearings ... Including a brand new starter to replace the one burnt by the workshop electrician who tried to run faster by hooking my 'old faithfull' 12 volts starter on 2 batteries in series at 24 Volts !
Engine on board 19/12; hooked up & running same day at 17:00 (lost time on drive end bolts offset by 1/4 turn - lift engine & rotate whell -, then oïl cooler hoses inverted, no return = no oïl on pressure gauge).

the cause of the fault was definetly the diesel lift pump diaphragm; 63 US$ Worth of spare, Worth changing on engines which did not run for over a year or so. Check them often.

Otherwise I can only recommend UK & USA suppliers who responded & supplied replacement parts; And Tenerife workshop 'Precision T.' who did a perfect job on the mechanical part; Just keep electricians away from our installations, not their best show of experience.

We shall sail away on 24/12 to continue our round trip of South Atlantic.

fair winds to all 

christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 1982 now (not for long) in SC de Tenerife 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] The magic hose removal tool

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks Eric. Good piece of info. Placed order on Amazon.
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 8:27 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] The magic hose removal tool

 

Hi All,

I am sure many of you already have this tool. After 40 years of breaking my back trying to get hoses off of hose barbs and fittings , I saw this on the internet for less than $4-.

Just insert it between the fitting and hose,  work it around between  the fitting and hose to break it loose then one tug and you are done.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1098525465

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

thumb screws for impeller plates

eric freedman
 

I replaced the bolts that hold the cover plates on my engine with brass thumb screws like the one in the

Link. Very easy to remove and replace.

 

https://www.mcmaster.com/#metric-thumb-screws/=1arwqdj then look at Metric Stainless Steel Raised Knurled-Head Thumb Screws – these are steel I found ones in brass.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

From: sailormon [mailto:kimberlite@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 11:43 PM
To: 'amelyachtowners@...'
Subject: Auxiliary fuel tanks

 

I decided some time ago that the life raft locker was too deep for my life raft. I put the raft in the port cockpit locker and filled the life raft locker with jerry cans.  Filling the tank with jerry cans at sea is usually a messy proposal. I finally decided to have 2 tanks fitted into the life  raft locker. Just in case my main tank has a problem I did not plumb them into the main tank.

 

To empty I just fit a hose to the tank barb and then to  a  jabsco vane pump  another hose to the output and I can transfer 2 tanks about 70 gallons to the main tank or wherever is needed without spilling a drop.

It hhas worked well for many years.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/723973515

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 11:27 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] The magic hose removal tool

 

 

Hi All,

I am sure many of you already have this tool. After 40 years of breaking my back trying to get hoses off of hose barbs and fittings , I saw this on the internet for less than $4-.

Just insert it between the fitting and hose,  work it around between  the fitting and hose to break it loose then one tug and you are done.

 

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1098525465

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

Auxiliary fuel tanks

eric freedman
 

I decided some time ago that the life raft locker was too deep for my life raft. I put the raft in the port cockpit locker and filled the life raft locker with jerry cans.  Filling the tank with jerry cans at sea is usually a messy proposal. I finally decided to have 2 tanks fitted into the life  raft locker. Just in case my main tank has a problem I did not plumb them into the main tank.

 

To empty I just fit a hose to the tank barb and then to  a  jabsco vane pump  another hose to the output and I can transfer 2 tanks about 70 gallons to the main tank or wherever is needed without spilling a drop.

It hhas worked well for many years.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/723973515

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 11:27 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] The magic hose removal tool

 

 

Hi All,

I am sure many of you already have this tool. After 40 years of breaking my back trying to get hoses off of hose barbs and fittings , I saw this on the internet for less than $4-.

Just insert it between the fitting and hose,  work it around between  the fitting and hose to break it loose then one tug and you are done.

 

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1098525465

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

The magic hose removal tool

eric freedman
 

Hi All,

I am sure many of you already have this tool. After 40 years of breaking my back trying to get hoses off of hose barbs and fittings , I saw this on the internet for less than $4-.

Just insert it between the fitting and hose,  work it around between  the fitting and hose to break it loose then one tug and you are done.

 

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1098525465

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re-rigging and mast step

eric freedman
 

Mike,

The complete rigging was about 11,000 euros.

The masts look great and Gaetan said the step did not need to be changed.

 

Rebuilding the Genoa furler was 1000 euros they only replaced the 9 bearings and 5 seals. The gears were fine. They said the gears were like new since I added grease ports. I believe Martinique is the only place you can get the two gears for the genoa furler if needed.

 

I would also look into having the engine and C drive mounts changed. I changed mine even though they seemed fine. However comparing the new ones to the old ones, the old engine mounts were ½ inch lower than the new ones.

Changing the engine mounts was a very difficult job for me. , I would never do it again. I am getting too old for that much work.

 

More surprisingly were the rubber bushings in the engine coupling-they were nearly destroyed. If I did nothing else I would change the bushings. That is a MUST DO.

 

Fair Winds Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 4:17 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re-rigging and mast step

 

 

So, Eric, did you unstep the masts and redo wiring, paint etc., as Mike asked, or did the re-rig with the masts up? What was the cost?

Cheers



---In amelyachtowners@..., <kimberlite@...> wrote :

Dear Mike,

We just had the standing rigging replaced by Amels rigger Gaetan in Martinique. Their chief rigger

has been doing Amels for over 25 years. They have all the genuine parts to replace the standing rigging

In stock. They are quite busy so an appointment is necessary.

 

They replaced my rigging in 2 ½ days. Their workmanship is amazing , they even hand polished the chain plates before attaching the rigging.  While you are doing the rigging it would be a good idea to have Amel rebuild the genoa furler as it has to come off to re rig.

Jean COLLIN had this done in the Amel shop there in one day.

Kimberlite is 15 years old with about 78,000 miles on her, it was time.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 8:23 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re-rigging and mast step

 

 

We are considering redoing the standing rigging that hasn’t been touched in 18 years. Would it make sense to step the mast, do detailed inspection, replace parts/wires/messengers, etc.   while the rigging is being replaced?

Always a pleasure to get opinions from this group.

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Lying lonely until January at Falmouth Harbor, Antigua

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Seafood Party in Martinique

eric freedman
 

Alex,

Please keep an eye out for Kimberlite , we will be on Ponton 4 starting the evening of the 18th.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 3:55 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Seafood Party in Martinique

 

 

Hi Jeff,

I'm around and glad to meet you and other Amelians in that timeframe.

My boat will be on the hard for 3-4 days after Jan 15th.

Cheers, Alex

AMEL54 #15 / NO STRESS

 

 

On Monday, December 18, 2017, 7:58:16 AM GMT-4, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Hope so John. Will pass along the hello to Cedric


On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 06:26 PM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hi Jeff hope to make it.  If I can't ask for Cedric at the bar and tell him John and Rick said Hi!

 

On Dec 17, 2017 8:37 AM, "jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good Morning Amelians,

I just returned from Martinique, and plan to return before 1/2. 

I'm going to bring some oysters and scallops with me (which I grow and catch respectively), and hope to set up a little party. 

I'd like to get the Amel people that have been helping us get our boats upgraded together with whoever is around and have some laughs and fun. If there are oysters, wine and scallops there, what Frenchman can refuse that?

I'll look to set up the soiree when I return, but I'm talking early to mid January. Hopefully at the Kokoarum (sp) joint right there.

If any Amelians are around, they will be welcome.

Jeff 

Spirit Amel 54 #14