Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu steering cable lubrication/service
James Alton
Miles,
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If you have not yet done so, check to be sure that the drag is all of the way off on the wheel. I think that I read a while back that the steering cables are sealed but get someone to verify this. The rudder, hull and skeg clearances are tight so a bit of growth could also certainly stiffen things up. Best of luck, James SV Sueño Maramu #220
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop
smiles bernard
Thanks Ian.
I had wondered about that welded ring. My boat has been re engined but I guess this is to stop running the engine and prop shaft alternator together! Smart. Many thanks for the info I’m not sure what size my alternator is yet but looking fwd to trying it out. I hope it works as well as yours did 😊 All the very best Miles
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop
Ian Park
Miles
Correct. Leave engine in neutral. Your keys should be on a welded ring. Take keys from ignition and switch on prop alternator key. Green light should show charging. To stop turn off and extract key. Green light may still show charging. Stop by putting gears into reverse. Into neutral and start engine. Don’t know what size your alternator is. Mine is a 50amp. It only puts a couple of amps in until I’m over 5 knots then it starts producing. Crossed the Atlantic with batteries at 100% all the way - all on the prop alternator. Have fun. Ian Ocean Hobo SN96
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop
smiles bernard
Hello
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I have yet to test out my maramu prop shaft alternator. I’m hoping to this week though. Am I right in assuming I put the gear into neutral to allow the prop to freewheel then switch on the alternator charging ? Simple as that? To stop just engage the gear to stop the prop from turning then turn off the alternator? Many thanks in advance Miles
On 21 Dec 2017, at 17:08, Ian parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Maramu steering cable lubrication/service
smiles bernard
Hello fellow Maramu owners
We bought our 1985 maramu in the summer of 2017 in the canaries. Sailed her for 2 weeks in the sun then went back to a colder UK and work /school etc We are back aboard again now for Christmas and making plans for a N Atlantic trip next year. The boat has been afloat without us in canaries since and I get the feeling the steering is stiffer. It could be the rudder hardware has fouled a little? but I’m also wondering about how to service and lubricate the steering cables Many thanks in advance for any experience you are able to share Fair winds Miles
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop
Porter McRoberts
Great Question Eric!
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Thanks Gabrielle! Porter Porter McRoberts S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152 Ft. Lauderdale www.fouribis.com ( http://www.fouribis.com/ ) portermcroberts@yahoo.com
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Re: Seafood Party in Martinique
Derick Gates
Jeff,
Let us know what we can bring to the party. Brava should arrive in Le Marin January 15th for a three week stay. I am looking forward to meeting you and the other Amelians. Derick Gates SM2K#400 Brava Currently on the hard in Bailey's Boatyard, Falmouth Harbour, Antigua.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs
James Alton
Christian Alby,
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Thanks for the initial update on your rebuilt Perkins. The Perkins 4-154 manual that I just checked is showing the normal oil pressure to be between 30-60 PSI or about 2.1- 4.2 bar at “maximum engine speed”. They do not seem to list an idling oil pressure. What was the initial oil pressure when the engine was first started and cold? How is the oil pressure at your normal cruising RPM? Is there any chance that your oil pressure gauge is not reading correctly? I am really happy that the engine seems to be running so well for you. Were you unable to find a replacement oil pump for your engine? Best, James SV Sueño Maramu #220
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Re: Auxiliary fuel tanks
Derick Gates
Brava's previous owner mounted the life raft on the port stern rail, and installed a 240 Liter aluminum tank in the life raft locker. This tank is plumbed into the diesel circulation system, allowing it to be used alternatively to the main diesel tank by shutting off the main feed (in the passageway) and the main return line (just before it gets to the main tank) and opening the spare tank return valve (by-passing the main tank return valve) and spare tank feed valve (as it emerges from the spare tank).
I use the main tank until it is nearly empty, then use the spare tank. Then vice versa after filling the main tank. I try to use a FIFO approach (First In, First Out) in using the fuel in the two tanks. As a safety precaution in case of bad diesel, I never fill both tanks at once from the same fuel source. The extra weight of the full spare tank only adds about a degree of port side list. I try to counter that with storage of equipment and supplies on the starboard side, but do not obsess about it. Derick Gates SM2K#400 Brava Currently on the hard in Bailey's Boatyard, Falmouth Harbour, Antigua
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop
svsunnyside
Hola EricThe only place I can recommend for Kimbelite is CLUB DE PESCA , eventually CLUB NAUTICO (but only eventually)I suggest to avoid a long stay because Cartagena Bay is very polluted and fouling grow up copiously.
I live 8 months/year in Caracas , where I am resident, the rest between Cartagena and Guna Yala(San Blas).Best wishesGabrieleSunny SideMaramu #219 From: "'sailormon' kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2017, 13:30 Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop Hola Gabriele,Where would you recommend docking Kimberlite for a month or two in Cartagena?What town do you live in Colombia?Fair WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 11:02 AM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop Hola EricThe place where I leave my boat is not at all a marina. It is a Yard thought and managed for power boat. After ten years I benefit of a special place and a special conditions so I am satisfied also if it is very far from Amel´s owner typology. I know the soot story becoming from the plant in adverse wind conditions. Best regards Eric and Enjoy Colombia GabrieleSunny SideMaramu #219 From: "'sailormon' kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 15:58 Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop Hola Gabriele,Are you satisfied with the marina that you are at in Cartagena?A year ago we were in the Santa Marta marina. It is a lovely marina. Unfortunately when the wind is from the East the boats get coated in coal dust as there is a coal burning plant to the East of the marina. I was thinking of heading to Colombia again later this year to spend some time with my novia.Gracias,EricKimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 11:13 AM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop James,Sunny Side is at Todomar Yard CartagenaYour understanding of my bad english is 100% correct.End of January, I will be on board and I will look for where I ordered my cooler from.The name of your boat is Sueno or Sueño ?RegardsGabrieleSV Sunny SideMaramu #219 From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@aol.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 9:29 Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop Gabriele, I am glad that you are having good luck! Thanks for the tip on the Militec-1, what I have read about the product sounds very promising. I will order some and give it a try. So if I understand you correctly, you changed your aluminum cooler back in 1997 when the engine had 4,000 hours on it, you now have 10,000 hours on your engine and you are still using the same cooler? May I ask where you ordered your cooler from? It seems that some people are having problems with their coolers corroding quickly. Perhaps our boats were built side by side side since Sueno is #220? May I ask where your boat is now? Best, James SV SuenoMaramu #220 On Dec 19, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Gabriele Antolini svsunnyside@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi James - Good care : YES , Exceptional care: I do not think so. The only thing I use , that not everyone use , is: MILITEC-1 (everywhere possible, on sea and on land) according to the producer recommendations . Nothing to do with the cooler. - Cooler : Yes I have the small square aluminum cooler. I changed it on 97 . when I received the boat, with 4,000 hours.From 99 to 2006 I was living on board using marinas only when could not be evitable. In the last ten years, at the end of my four months sailing season, in April, I ran the engine for one hour with fresh water(half an hour one day and half an hour, one day or two later) . A little of luck is always welcome. GabrieleSV Sunny SideMaramu #219From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@aol.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 19 December 2017, 12:06 Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop Gabriele Anolini, That is amazing, you must be taking exceptional care of your transmission. Do you have a cooler on your transmission? Foley seems to be saying that 1000 hours is about all that we should expect. It would be nice to know which factors seem to lead to a longer service life. Happy Holidays, James SV SuenoMaramu #220 On Dec 19, 2017, at 11:25 AM, Gabriele Antolini svsunnyside@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: James I can confirm you that the Hurth 250 transmission can work much more than 4,000 hours. Mine passed 10,000 hours and , still now, never gave me a problem. Best Gabriele AntoliniSV Sunny Side Maramu #219Todomar Yard Cartagena From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@aol.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 18 December 2017, 23:42 Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop Dave, Thanks for this information. At least I now know that at least some of the Hurth 250 transmissions installed on Maramu’s are lasting longer than the 4,000 hours that mine has.. So far my transmission seems to be working fine but the failure mode that you experienced does not sound like a pleasant to experience so maybe I will do something preemptive before long. I have heard of others having a problem with their aluminum coolers corroding quickly as well.. Without being bonded, I would think that the aluminum parts immersed in seawater would become the sacrificial items on the engine so maybe that could be part of your problem as you suspect. I am wondering however if there is more than one manufacturer of these coolers with some being made of a more corrosion resistant alloy? The original cooler on my transmission had a plate on it that in large letters had the name Hurth, Monchen, Made in West Germany. The old rusty hose clamps, hoses and the apparent age of the ID plate and mounting bolts suggests to me that this cooler had been on the transmission for a very long time.. The one that I ordered as a replacement and installed this year with all new hoses was sold by “Mr Cool” 3306107001 ZF Transmission/Gear Cooler. The replacement cooler cost $165.00 USD. The Cooler being sold by Foley is much more expensive, $395.00 which comes with a quart of their special synthetic fluid. I think I will inquire and see what they say about the large cost differential. Can you tell me where you have been buying your coolers? In part over corrosion concerns for my cooler, I have been flushing the engine with fresh water whenever the engine will sit for more than a couple of days which I think should help to reduce the corrosion some. I think that I will open the cooler at least every couple of seasons to see how much corrosion is present. Best, James AltonSV Sueno, #220Arbatax, Italy On Dec 18, 2017, at 8:32 PM, David Wallace svairops@hotmail..com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: James, Our Hurth 250 started acting up in 2002 with about 6000 hours on the engine. Intermittently it would not go into forward, first discovered when backing out of a slip which made for an interesting evolution. We had it rebuilt with no issue. Maybe I have a grounding problem on the 4.154 but the aluminum cooler only seems to last a year or two.. I now have several, and try to catch the corrosion before it gets to bad. Then I clean up the cooler and rebuild it with aluminum epoxy that I buy from Cotronics. Works really well. Regards, Daves/v Air OpsMaramu #104 On Dec 18, 2017, at 7:50 AM, James Alton lokiyawl2@aol.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Mike, My Maramu has a plate mounted just in front of the shift lever warning to never leave the transmission in Fwd. gear while sailing.. My boat has a fixed 20” (?) 3 blade prop which can produce a large amount of torque when sailing at higher speeds. I am guessing that since your prop feathers(so produces little torque if any when feathered) that it may not matter as much which gear you use but apparently due to the design the Reverse gear is stronger and therefore safer to use when locking the prop shaft. Perhaps others can verify if this would be correct. I also read in Foley the these gears seem to last about 1000 hours on average. The gear on my boat has the same paint as the engine and I don’t see any evidence of it having been replaced. The engine now has just over 4,000 hours. Could others comment on the life expectancy the have experienced with the Hurth gears? My boat appears to have had an aluminum cooler for a very long time, it may in fact have been original based on the installation. I replaced the old cooler with a new aluminum one.. The old one was not leaking but when cleaning out the inside I found several pin holes that were only plugged with corrosion so it was overdue.. I just got an email back from Foley saying that they have discontinued selling the stainless coolers and now only sell the aluminum. I wonder if there were corrosion concerns betwee the aluminum gear case and the stainless coolers. I will try to find out. Best, JamesSV Sueno, Maramu #220 On Dec 18, 2017, at 11:19 AM, 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@verizon.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Who’d of thought there was so much to know about transmissions and their lubrication! Foley website full of interesting information. On a related topic... Dr.. Diesel Tip #101 at Foley says DO NOT put Hurth trans into forward to stop freewheeling, only reverse.We have always put the trans in forward to stop the freewheeling and fold the Autoprop when under sail. Given Amels have a “C” drive, does Dr. Diesels Tip apply? Have to pose the question just in case there are opinions among our ranks. 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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop
eric freedman
Hola Gabriele,
Where would you recommend docking Kimberlite for a month or two in Cartagena? What town do you live in Colombia? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 11:02 AM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop Hola Eric The place where I leave my boat is not at all a marina. It is a Yard thought and managed for power boat. After ten years I benefit of a special place and a special conditions so I am satisfied also if it is very far from Amel´s owner typology. I know the soot story becoming from the plant in adverse wind conditions. Best regards Eric and Enjoy Colombia Gabriele Sunny Side Maramu #219 _____ From: "'sailormon' kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 15:58 Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop Hola Gabriele, Are you satisfied with the marina that you are at in Cartagena? A year ago we were in the Santa Marta marina. It is a lovely marina. Unfortunately when the wind is from the East the boats get coated in coal dust as there is a coal burning plant to the East of the marina. I was thinking of heading to Colombia again later this year to spend some time with my novia. Gracias, Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 11:13 AM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop James, Sunny Side is at Todomar Yard Cartagena Your understanding of my bad english is 100% correct. End of January, I will be on board and I will look for where I ordered my cooler from. The name of your boat is Sueno or Sueño ? Regards Gabriele SV Sunny Side Maramu #219 _____ From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@aol.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 9:29 Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop Gabriele, I am glad that you are having good luck! Thanks for the tip on the Militec-1, what I have read about the product sounds very promising. I will order some and give it a try. So if I understand you correctly, you changed your aluminum cooler back in 1997 when the engine had 4,000 hours on it, you now have 10,000 hours on your engine and you are still using the same cooler? May I ask where you ordered your cooler from? It seems that some people are having problems with their coolers corroding quickly. Perhaps our boats were built side by side side since Sueno is #220? May I ask where your boat is now? Best, James SV Sueno Maramu #220 On Dec 19, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Gabriele Antolini svsunnyside@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi James - Good care : YES , Exceptional care: I do not think so. The only thing I use , that not everyone use , is: MILITEC-1 (everywhere possible, on sea and on land) according to the producer recommendations . Nothing to do with the cooler. - Cooler : Yes I have the small square aluminum cooler. I changed it on 97 . when I received the boat, with 4,000 hours. From 99 to 2006 I was living on board using marinas only when could not be evitable. In the last ten years, at the end of my four months sailing season, in April, I ran the engine for one hour with fresh water(half an hour one day and half an hour, one day or two later) . A little of luck is always welcome. Gabriele SV Sunny Side Maramu #219 _____ From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@aol.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 19 December 2017, 12:06 Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop Gabriele Anolini, That is amazing, you must be taking exceptional care of your transmission. Do you have a cooler on your transmission? Foley seems to be saying that 1000 hours is about all that we should expect. It would be nice to know which factors seem to lead to a longer service life. Happy Holidays, James SV Sueno Maramu #220 On Dec 19, 2017, at 11:25 AM, Gabriele Antolini svsunnyside@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: James I can confirm you that the Hurth 250 transmission can work much more than 4,000 hours. Mine passed 10,000 hours and , still now, never gave me a problem. Best Gabriele Antolini SV Sunny Side Maramu #219 Todomar Yard Cartagena _____ From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@aol.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 18 December 2017, 23:42 Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop Dave, Thanks for this information. At least I now know that at least some of the Hurth 250 transmissions installed on Maramu’s are lasting longer than the 4,000 hours that mine has.. So far my transmission seems to be working fine but the failure mode that you experienced does not sound like a pleasant to experience so maybe I will do something preemptive before long. I have heard of others having a problem with their aluminum coolers corroding quickly as well.. Without being bonded, I would think that the aluminum parts immersed in seawater would become the sacrificial items on the engine so maybe that could be part of your problem as you suspect. I am wondering however if there is more than one manufacturer of these coolers with some being made of a more corrosion resistant alloy? The original cooler on my transmission had a plate on it that in large letters had the name Hurth, Monchen, Made in West Germany. The old rusty hose clamps, hoses and the apparent age of the ID plate and mounting bolts suggests to me that this cooler had been on the transmission for a very long time.. The one that I ordered as a replacement and installed this year with all new hoses was sold by “Mr Cool” 3306107001 ZF Transmission/Gear Cooler. The replacement cooler cost $165.00 USD. The Cooler being sold by Foley is much more expensive, $395.00 which comes with a quart of their special synthetic fluid. I think I will inquire and see what they say about the large cost differential. Can you tell me where you have been buying your coolers? In part over corrosion concerns for my cooler, I have been flushing the engine with fresh water whenever the engine will sit for more than a couple of days which I think should help to reduce the corrosion some. I think that I will open the cooler at least every couple of seasons to see how much corrosion is present. Best, James Alton SV Sueno, #220 Arbatax, Italy On Dec 18, 2017, at 8:32 PM, David Wallace svairops@hotmail..com <mailto:svairops@hotmail.com> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: James, Our Hurth 250 started acting up in 2002 with about 6000 hours on the engine. Intermittently it would not go into forward, first discovered when backing out of a slip which made for an interesting evolution. We had it rebuilt with no issue. Maybe I have a grounding problem on the 4.154 but the aluminum cooler only seems to last a year or two.. I now have several, and try to catch the corrosion before it gets to bad. Then I clean up the cooler and rebuild it with aluminum epoxy that I buy from Cotronics. Works really well. Regards, Dave s/v Air Ops Maramu #104 On Dec 18, 2017, at 7:50 AM, James Alton lokiyawl2@aol.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Mike, My Maramu has a plate mounted just in front of the shift lever warning to never leave the transmission in Fwd. gear while sailing. My boat has a fixed 20” (?) 3 blade prop which can produce a large amount of torque when sailing at higher speeds. I am guessing that since your prop feathers(so produces little torque if any when feathered) that it may not matter as much which gear you use but apparently due to the design the Reverse gear is stronger and therefore safer to use when locking the prop shaft. Perhaps others can verify if this would be correct. I also read in Foley the these gears seem to last about 1000 hours on average. The gear on my boat has the same paint as the engine and I don’t see any evidence of it having been replaced. The engine now has just over 4,000 hours. Could others comment on the life expectancy the have experienced with the Hurth gears? My boat appears to have had an aluminum cooler for a very long time, it may in fact have been original based on the installation. I replaced the old cooler with a new aluminum one.. The old one was not leaking but when cleaning out the inside I found several pin holes that were only plugged with corrosion so it was overdue.. I just got an email back from Foley saying that they have discontinued selling the stainless coolers and now only sell the aluminum. I wonder if there were corrosion concerns betwee the aluminum gear case and the stainless coolers. I will try to find out. Best, James SV Sueno, Maramu #220 On Dec 18, 2017, at 11:19 AM, 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@verizon.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Who’d of thought there was so much to know about transmissions and their lubrication! Foley website full of interesting information. On a related topic... Dr.. Diesel Tip #101 at Foley says DO NOT put Hurth trans into forward to stop freewheeling, only reverse. We have always put the trans in forward to stop the freewheeling and fold the Autoprop when under sail. Given Amels have a “C” drive, does Dr. Diesels Tip apply? Have to pose the question just in case there are opinions among our ranks. Mike Ondra Aletes SM#240 Falmouth Harbor, Antigua
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auxiliary fuel tanks
eric freedman
Hi Tom, I don’t notice any major list to port with the 70 gallons in the liferaft locker, possibly a degree or two. Additionally the fuel in the tanks is not a permanent condition as is the batteries. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of thomas.kleman
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 10:31 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auxiliary fuel tanks
Hey Eric- I've been toying around with the idea of repurposing the life-raft locker in this way. One non-scientific data point that has given me pause is that when I last changed batteries, I had all 13 DT-31 batteries on the port side of my boat outside the cockpit waiting to be taken off. I noticed (or at least I perceived) a slight list of my boat to port. I wondered if 300 liters of fuel in the locker would create a similar issue. Have you noticed this ? Confession- I've done no calculations relating to the relative weights, the position of those weights, etc............one of those possible boat projects that sits idling in front of the first speed bump it encounters.
Tom Kleman SV L'ORIENT SM2K #422 Currently in Antigua
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop
Ian Park
John
I didn’t know it was continued into the earlier SMs. I am quite happy with a bit of drag to get all the amps back in the batteries under sail. I have about the same engine hours as you. Ian Ocean Hobo SN96 Marigot Bay
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop
John Clark
Ian, Some early SMs also have the shaft alternator. I have used it extensively for the last year. The previous owner sailed around the world with trans in neutral to make use of the alternator. So far with 4500 hrs on engine and trans we are running fine. Also have fixed blade prop. Hurth Z25 trans and TAMD22. John SV Annie. SM37 St. Augustine.
On Dec 18, 2017 7:41 PM, "Ian parkianj@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auxiliary fuel tanks
VLADIMIR SONSEV
I do the same. I have 3 tanks 15 G each. And I have 24 V pump that fit's in the tanks. Vladimir SM 345 " LIFE IS GOOD"
On Dec 21, 2017 11:32, "thomas.kleman" <no_reply@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop
svsunnyside
Hola EricThe place where I leave my boat is not at all a marina. It is a Yard thought and managed for power boat. After ten years I benefit of a special place and a special conditions so I am satisfied also if it is very far from Amel´s owner typology.
I know the soot story becoming from the plant in adverse wind conditions. Best regards Eric and Enjoy Colombia GabrieleSunny SideMaramu #219 From: "'sailormon' kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 15:58 Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop Hola Gabriele,Are you satisfied with the marina that you are at in Cartagena?A year ago we were in the Santa Marta marina. It is a lovely marina. Unfortunately when the wind is from the East the boats get coated in coal dust as there is a coal burning plant to the East of the marina. I was thinking of heading to Colombia again later this year to spend some time with my novia.Gracias,EricKimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 11:13 AM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop James,Sunny Side is at Todomar Yard CartagenaYour understanding of my bad english is 100% correct.End of January, I will be on board and I will look for where I ordered my cooler from.The name of your boat is Sueno or Sueño ?RegardsGabrieleSV Sunny SideMaramu #219 From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@aol.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 20 December 2017, 9:29 Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop Gabriele, I am glad that you are having good luck! Thanks for the tip on the Militec-1, what I have read about the product sounds very promising. I will order some and give it a try. So if I understand you correctly, you changed your aluminum cooler back in 1997 when the engine had 4,000 hours on it, you now have 10,000 hours on your engine and you are still using the same cooler? May I ask where you ordered your cooler from? It seems that some people are having problems with their coolers corroding quickly. Perhaps our boats were built side by side side since Sueno is #220? May I ask where your boat is now? Best, James SV SuenoMaramu #220 On Dec 19, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Gabriele Antolini svsunnyside@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi James - Good care : YES , Exceptional care: I do not think so. The only thing I use , that not everyone use , is: MILITEC-1 (everywhere possible, on sea and on land) according to the producer recommendations . Nothing to do with the cooler. - Cooler : Yes I have the small square aluminum cooler. I changed it on 97 . when I received the boat, with 4,000 hours.From 99 to 2006 I was living on board using marinas only when could not be evitable. In the last ten years, at the end of my four months sailing season, in April, I ran the engine for one hour with fresh water(half an hour one day and half an hour, one day or two later) . A little of luck is always welcome. GabrieleSV Sunny SideMaramu #219From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@aol.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 19 December 2017, 12:06 Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop Gabriele Anolini, That is amazing, you must be taking exceptional care of your transmission. Do you have a cooler on your transmission? Foley seems to be saying that 1000 hours is about all that we should expect. It would be nice to know which factors seem to lead to a longer service life. Happy Holidays, James SV SuenoMaramu #220 On Dec 19, 2017, at 11:25 AM, Gabriele Antolini svsunnyside@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: James I can confirm you that the Hurth 250 transmission can work much more than 4,000 hours. Mine passed 10,000 hours and , still now, never gave me a problem. Best Gabriele AntoliniSV Sunny Side Maramu #219Todomar Yard Cartagena From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@aol.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 18 December 2017, 23:42 Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurth Transmissions freewheeling folding prop Dave, Thanks for this information. At least I now know that at least some of the Hurth 250 transmissions installed on Maramu’s are lasting longer than the 4,000 hours that mine has.. So far my transmission seems to be working fine but the failure mode that you experienced does not sound like a pleasant to experience so maybe I will do something preemptive before long. I have heard of others having a problem with their aluminum coolers corroding quickly as well.. Without being bonded, I would think that the aluminum parts immersed in seawater would become the sacrificial items on the engine so maybe that could be part of your problem as you suspect. I am wondering however if there is more than one manufacturer of these coolers with some being made of a more corrosion resistant alloy? The original cooler on my transmission had a plate on it that in large letters had the name Hurth, Monchen, Made in West Germany. The old rusty hose clamps, hoses and the apparent age of the ID plate and mounting bolts suggests to me that this cooler had been on the transmission for a very long time.. The one that I ordered as a replacement and installed this year with all new hoses was sold by “Mr Cool” 3306107001 ZF Transmission/Gear Cooler. The replacement cooler cost $165.00 USD. The Cooler being sold by Foley is much more expensive, $395.00 which comes with a quart of their special synthetic fluid. I think I will inquire and see what they say about the large cost differential. Can you tell me where you have been buying your coolers? In part over corrosion concerns for my cooler, I have been flushing the engine with fresh water whenever the engine will sit for more than a couple of days which I think should help to reduce the corrosion some. I think that I will open the cooler at least every couple of seasons to see how much corrosion is present. Best, James AltonSV Sueno, #220Arbatax, Italy On Dec 18, 2017, at 8:32 PM, David Wallace svairops@hotmail..com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: James, Our Hurth 250 started acting up in 2002 with about 6000 hours on the engine. Intermittently it would not go into forward, first discovered when backing out of a slip which made for an interesting evolution. We had it rebuilt with no issue. Maybe I have a grounding problem on the 4.154 but the aluminum cooler only seems to last a year or two. I now have several, and try to catch the corrosion before it gets to bad. Then I clean up the cooler and rebuild it with aluminum epoxy that I buy from Cotronics. Works really well. Regards, Daves/v Air OpsMaramu #104 On Dec 18, 2017, at 7:50 AM, James Alton lokiyawl2@aol.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Mike, My Maramu has a plate mounted just in front of the shift lever warning to never leave the transmission in Fwd. gear while sailing. My boat has a fixed 20” (?) 3 blade prop which can produce a large amount of torque when sailing at higher speeds. I am guessing that since your prop feathers(so produces little torque if any when feathered) that it may not matter as much which gear you use but apparently due to the design the Reverse gear is stronger and therefore safer to use when locking the prop shaft. Perhaps others can verify if this would be correct. I also read in Foley the these gears seem to last about 1000 hours on average. The gear on my boat has the same paint as the engine and I don’t see any evidence of it having been replaced. The engine now has just over 4,000 hours. Could others comment on the life expectancy the have experienced with the Hurth gears? My boat appears to have had an aluminum cooler for a very long time, it may in fact have been original based on the installation. I replaced the old cooler with a new aluminum one.. The old one was not leaking but when cleaning out the inside I found several pin holes that were only plugged with corrosion so it was overdue.. I just got an email back from Foley saying that they have discontinued selling the stainless coolers and now only sell the aluminum. I wonder if there were corrosion concerns betwee the aluminum gear case and the stainless coolers. I will try to find out. Best, JamesSV Sueno, Maramu #220 On Dec 18, 2017, at 11:19 AM, 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@verizon.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Who’d of thought there was so much to know about transmissions and their lubrication! Foley website full of interesting information. On a related topic... Dr.. Diesel Tip #101 at Foley says DO NOT put Hurth trans into forward to stop freewheeling, only reverse.We have always put the trans in forward to stop the freewheeling and fold the Autoprop when under sail. Given Amels have a “C” drive, does Dr. Diesels Tip apply? 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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re-rigging and mast step
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Hello Tom,
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I have of pictures of your boat anchored at Gustavia from when I arrive there last June. If you let me know your email address I email them to you. My email is uster@rocketmail.com (uster at rocketmail dot com) Sincerely, Alexandre --------------------------------------------
On Thu, 12/21/17, thomas. kleman <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re-rigging and mast step To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 21, 2017, 9:43 AM I can second the comments here regarding Caribe Greement (the Amel rigger in Martinique). Philipe (owner) and Gaetan were great. We replaced all the standing rigging and added a staysail per Amel's specs including the backstay rigging. The work was done very professionally......and the total was about $10,000 for the rigging and another $6,000 for the staysail rig installation. We bought the actual staysail from North Sails in Martinique for around $2,000. Philipe and Gaetan seem to do quite a bit of work on Amels and they both love these boats (they also stock everything you would need)......Philipe told me he never sees an Amel come in with an actual rig failure as the components are of super high quality out of the factory. He's 53 and still climbs masts every day, so I guess he'd know. Tom KlemanSV L'ORIENTSM2K #422
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re-rigging and mast step
thomas.kleman <no_reply@...>
I can second the comments here regarding Caribe Greement (the Amel rigger in Martinique). Philipe (owner) and Gaetan were great. We replaced all the standing rigging and added a staysail per Amel's specs including the backstay rigging. The work was done very professionally......and the total was about $10,000 for the rigging and another $6,000 for the staysail rig installation. We bought the actual staysail from North Sails in Martinique for around $2,000. Philipe and Gaetan seem to do quite a bit of work on Amels and they both love these boats (they also stock everything you would need)......Philipe told me he never sees an Amel come in with an actual rig failure as the components are of super high quality out of the factory. He's 53 and still climbs masts every day, so I guess he'd know.
Tom Kleman SV L'ORIENT SM2K #422
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Re: Auxiliary fuel tanks
thomas.kleman <no_reply@...>
Hey Eric- I've been toying around with the idea of repurposing the life-raft locker in this way. One non-scientific data point that has given me pause is that when I last changed batteries, I had all 13 DT-31 batteries on the port side of my boat outside the cockpit waiting to be taken off. I noticed (or at least I perceived) a slight list of my boat to port. I wondered if 300 liters of fuel in the locker would create a similar issue. Have you noticed this ? Confession- I've done no calculations relating to the relative weights, the position of those weights, etc............one of those possible boat projects that sits idling in front of the first speed bump it encounters.
Tom Kleman SV L'ORIENT SM2K #422 Currently in Antigua
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] The magic hose removal tool
eric freedman
Mark, It really depends om how you use the tool. If you elevate the point and go medieval with the tool it will pierce the hose. The purpose of this tool is to wedge the larger portion of the point parallel to the hose. You then roll the tool around the perimeter of the fitting it will loosen the hose. Never elevate the point. I have used it a few times and I have had no problems. The tool must be used gently and slowly. I cannot understand how one could pierce a hose if you maintain the tool in correct position. A small screwdriver is not the way to remove a hose that will probably pierce the hose. Then again I am a jeweler and don’t break small things.
Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 5:01 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] The magic hose removal tool
I was introduced to this tool when I attended diesel school. However, our instructor said to use it as a last ditch effort to remove a stuck hose since it is likely to puncture or cut the hose. He suggest a method that has work very well using WD40. Spray the rim of the hose with WD40 and let it sit for a couple of minutes. Twist the hose a little. Repeat if necessary. If this fails, us the tool (or a small screw driver) to open up a small spot on the end of the hose. Insert the red spray straw that comes with the WD40 and spray in WD40. This has always worked.
Be sure to remove WD40 with dishwashing detergent before replacing the hose since you’ll probably want the hose to stay on.
Dish washing detergent is also a great lube to use when replacing stubborn hoses and impellers.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Martinique
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Hi All, I am sure many of you already have this tool. After 40 years of breaking my back trying to get hoses off of hose barbs and fittings , I saw this on the internet for less than $4-. Just insert it between the fitting and hose, work it around between the fitting and hose to break it loose then one tug and you are done.
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1098525465
Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
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