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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Extra fuel

eric freedman
 

I forgot to mention 10 additional trips from to or from the Long Island  to S. America or the  Caribe in my Tartan 37 with 450 liters of fuel on board. The Tartan would go to weather much better than out Amels.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 6:20 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Extra fuel

 

 

We had three occasions when we used more than 600 liters of fuel.

 

One was a big mistake, sailing from Colombia to Guadeloupe. The trade winds were  particularly strong and we has 30 knots average on the nose for 9 days. The Arc world going the other way did it in 4 days.

 

Another was this fall from Long Island non-stop to Martinique, again strong wind on the nose 12 of wind and 2 days of sailing.. I could have stopped in Bermuda, but it seems like when you pull into Bermuda you are stuck there for days.   

 

The other time was when we had to sail to almost 54  degrees West to get around a huge storm on our way to the Caribbean. This is the storm where Triple Stars lost a crew member.

 

We almost used 600 liters a 4th  time when we were in a hurricane for 36 hours. Herb the weather forecaster told us to divert to Bermuda after the Hurricane at maximum speed. There were 2 more storms of 50 knots coming at us. We beat both storms and continued onto the Caribe without stopping in Bermuda, even though we were looking at the spit buoy off of Bermuda when Herb said to keep going.

 

I have made many trips over 2000 miles and a few over 3000 and have never used up the main tank.

This last trip marked our 35th trip either to or from Ny  to the Caribe or S. America

 

From Puerto Mogan, Grand Canaria to Guadeloupe we used 300 liters, from Long island to Santa Marta Colombia we use 250 liters.

Sometimes we have to run the A/C in addition to the Engine when it is terribly hot below,

Also we use the diesel heater when it is very cold, even though it uses a tiny amount of diesel.

 

However in the 78,000 miles we have sailed it was always nice to have the extra fuel.

 

I think of my very good friend Eric Forsyth in his home made 42 foot West Sail 42.

He has logged over 300,000 miles, and CCA blue water  medal recipient.  We communicate often when he is at sea. One year after  enduring a hurricane south of the Falklands, having his boat holed, losing his electronics, and steering, he headed to Cape town. When he fixed the boat he headed to Caribbean to meet for out birthdays. I read his agonizing reports of making 3-15 miles a day for almost 2 weeks while crossing the equator. I am sure  he  would have liked to have more fuel. He was 82 years old at that time.

He just left his boat in Portugal after sailing from Long Island, to come home for Christmas age 85.

 

 

His book is a great one about his 50 years of sailing https://www.amazon.com/Inexplicable-Attraction-Fifty-Years-Sailing/dp/0692839259

It’s a great read. He Is now 85 years old.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 11:57 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Nauta tank installation.

 

 

I am sure that there is a lot of experience in this Group that the "new-to-Amel" Super Maramus and 54 owners would like to hear regarding onboard fuel. When I was new to this Group, I could not get experienced answers on how much is enough fuel.

 

I bought 10 each 18.9 liter jerry jugs and filled them for each ocean crossing. They added about 300nm to my about 1,000nm range on the Super Maramu (600 liter tank). BTW, the 54 fuel tank is 900 liters and should provide a minimum of 1,300 miles while motoring without carrying extra fuel.

 

My experience around the world is that we never touched the 10 jugs (189 extra liters) and the most that we used on any passage was 400 liters in an isolated case with almost no wind between Panama and the Galapagos. Had we been more experienced, we may have picked a better departure date. During our two 3,000 passages we used about 250 liters each.

 

I hope this helps you make your plans.

 

Best,

 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  
http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Extra fuel

eric freedman
 

We had three occasions when we used more than 600 liters of fuel.

 

One was a big mistake, sailing from Colombia to Guadeloupe. The trade winds were  particularly strong and we has 30 knots average on the nose for 9 days. The Arc world going the other way did it in 4 days.

 

Another was this fall from Long Island non-stop to Martinique, again strong wind on the nose 12 of wind and 2 days of sailing.. I could have stopped in Bermuda, but it seems like when you pull into Bermuda you are stuck there for days.   

 

The other time was when we had to sail to almost 54  degrees West to get around a huge storm on our way to the Caribbean. This is the storm where Triple Stars lost a crew member.

 

We almost used 600 liters a 4th  time when we were in a hurricane for 36 hours. Herb the weather forecaster told us to divert to Bermuda after the Hurricane at maximum speed. There were 2 more storms of 50 knots coming at us. We beat both storms and continued onto the Caribe without stopping in Bermuda, even though we were looking at the spit buoy off of Bermuda when Herb said to keep going.

 

I have made many trips over 2000 miles and a few over 3000 and have never used up the main tank.

This last trip marked our 35th trip either to or from Ny  to the Caribe or S. America

 

From Puerto Mogan, Grand Canaria to Guadeloupe we used 300 liters, from Long island to Santa Marta Colombia we use 250 liters.

Sometimes we have to run the A/C in addition to the Engine when it is terribly hot below,

Also we use the diesel heater when it is very cold, even though it uses a tiny amount of diesel.

 

However in the 78,000 miles we have sailed it was always nice to have the extra fuel.

 

I think of my very good friend Eric Forsyth in his home made 42 foot West Sail 42.

He has logged over 300,000 miles, and CCA blue water  medal recipient.  We communicate often when he is at sea. One year after  enduring a hurricane south of the Falklands, having his boat holed, losing his electronics, and steering, he headed to Cape town. When he fixed the boat he headed to Caribbean to meet for out birthdays. I read his agonizing reports of making 3-15 miles a day for almost 2 weeks while crossing the equator. I am sure  he  would have liked to have more fuel. He was 82 years old at that time.

He just left his boat in Portugal after sailing from Long Island, to come home for Christmas age 85.

 

 

His book is a great one about his 50 years of sailing https://www.amazon.com/Inexplicable-Attraction-Fifty-Years-Sailing/dp/0692839259

It’s a great read. He Is now 85 years old.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 11:57 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Nauta tank installation.

 

 

I am sure that there is a lot of experience in this Group that the "new-to-Amel" Super Maramus and 54 owners would like to hear regarding onboard fuel. When I was new to this Group, I could not get experienced answers on how much is enough fuel.

 

I bought 10 each 18.9 liter jerry jugs and filled them for each ocean crossing. They added about 300nm to my about 1,000nm range on the Super Maramu (600 liter tank). BTW, the 54 fuel tank is 900 liters and should provide a minimum of 1,300 miles while motoring without carrying extra fuel.

 

My experience around the world is that we never touched the 10 jugs (189 extra liters) and the most that we used on any passage was 400 liters in an isolated case with almost no wind between Panama and the Galapagos. Had we been more experienced, we may have picked a better departure date. During our two 3,000 passages we used about 250 liters each.

 

I hope this helps you make your plans.

 

Best,

 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  
http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Nauta tank installation.

James Cromie
 

I am grateful for all of the sage advice from the community of experienced sailors on this forum.  
Thank you all for your input.  
Happy Holidays to everyone.  
James
SM347

On Dec 24, 2017, at 11:56 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I am sure that there is a lot of experience in this Group that the "new-to-Amel" Super Maramus and 54 owners would like to hear regarding onboard fuel. When I was new to this Group, I could not get experienced answers on how much is enough fuel.

I bought 10 each 18.9 liter jerry jugs and filled them for each ocean crossing. They added about 300nm to my about 1,000nm range on the Super Maramu (600 liter tank). BTW, the 54 fuel tank is 900 liters and should provide a minimum of 1,300 miles while motoring without carrying extra fuel.

My experience around the world is that we never touched the 10 jugs (189 extra liters) and the most that we used on any passage was 400 liters in an isolated case with almost no wind between Panama and the Galapagos. Had we been more experienced, we may have picked a better departure date. During our two 3,000 passages we used about 250 liters each.

I hope this helps you make your plans.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


Steering greasing points on maramu

smiles bernard
 

Hello there fellow Maramu fans

Behind my steering wheel looks like the attached photo
There is a grease point on the upper alu section in the middle of the photo. There is another on the lower alu section but on the reverse/ hidden face
Does anyone know if this greases the cable or some sort of rack and pinion that then attaches to the cable ?

Many thanks in advance and have a very merry Christmas

Miles

Procedure for setting spinnaker pole

smiles bernard
 

Hello there
I’d be really great full if anyone could explain the spinnaker pole setup procedure on a maramu.
The previous owner mentioned it briefly but is was amongst a great deal of other info so has evaporated somewhat.
Merry Christmas!
Miles

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Nauta tank installation.

Stephen Davis
 

It seems their is no correct answer to how much fuel to carry. Like many here have voiced, I hate to motor and love to sail. With that said, every passage has its own challenges, and most of us would rather be prepared for any eventuality. The one thing I’m not prepared to do is roll around for weeks in the ITCZ while waiting for wind, as I’d prefer to quickly get to the wind, and then enjoy a great sail to our destination. 

We will be departing Panama in a couple of weeks, and embarking on a nearly 5000 nm journey to Hawaii. We tried to find a longer distance between 2 points of land, but this was the best we could do for now. If you have never looked at this route, it poses some unique problems in the first 1500+ miles. You have to deal with the ITCZ and some other phenomena which can create a huge area of little or no wind before you get to the area of NE trades which will carry you swiftly to Hawaii. I’ve  spoke to one sailor who took 48 days enroute on his Hans Christian 43. We hope to make the trip in 28 to 30 days with our swift SM, and some extra fuel in case I can’t find a way to keep us in some wind early on. In our case we will use a 37 gallon Nauta bladder secured just behind the fuel cap on the aft deck, and 5 twenty liter jerry cans in the life raft locker.  We have a valise life raft which lives on the floor at the nav station when on passage. 

We have never carried extra diesel on any passage prior to this, but it seemed  smart this time, and we are happy with the choice. Happy to hear what the rest of you think. Should we take less or more extra diesel?  How about you Bill K...would you take any extra?

If any one is interested in tracking our progress, you see where we are at http://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/Aloha      We expect to depart from the Las Perlas Islands on 8 January, or slightly thereafter. Also, if anyone is planning a trip to Hawaii, we would love to meet you, and will also be serving as the Ocean Cruising Club Port Captain for Hawaii for the year in the islands prior to moving on to the South Pacific. 

Seasons Greetings,

Steve and Liz Davis
Aloha SM72
Shelter Bay, Panama

On Dec 24, 2017, at 11:56, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I am sure that there is a lot of experience in this Group that the "new-to-Amel" Super Maramus and 54 owners would like to hear regarding onboard fuel. When I was new to this Group, I could not get experienced answers on how much is enough fuel.

I bought 10 each 18.9 liter jerry jugs and filled them for each ocean crossing. They added about 300nm to my about 1,000nm range on the Super Maramu (600 liter tank). BTW, the 54 fuel tank is 900 liters and should provide a minimum of 1,300 miles while motoring without carrying extra fuel.

My experience around the world is that we never touched the 10 jugs (189 extra liters) and the most that we used on any passage was 400 liters in an isolated case with almost no wind between Panama and the Galapagos. Had we been more experienced, we may have picked a better departure date. During our two 3,000 passages we used about 250 liters each.

I hope this helps you make your plans.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Nauta tank installation.

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I am sure that there is a lot of experience in this Group that the "new-to-Amel" Super Maramus and 54 owners would like to hear regarding onboard fuel. When I was new to this Group, I could not get experienced answers on how much is enough fuel.

I bought 10 each 18.9 liter jerry jugs and filled them for each ocean crossing. They added about 300nm to my about 1,000nm range on the Super Maramu (600 liter tank). BTW, the 54 fuel tank is 900 liters and should provide a minimum of 1,300 miles while motoring without carrying extra fuel.

My experience around the world is that we never touched the 10 jugs (189 extra liters) and the most that we used on any passage was 400 liters in an isolated case with almost no wind between Panama and the Galapagos. Had we been more experienced, we may have picked a better departure date. During our two 3,000 passages we used about 250 liters each.

I hope this helps you make your plans.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Nauta tank installation.

Porter McRoberts
 

Courtney. 
You have a serious range on the fuel you natively carry. 
Porter. 

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Dec 23, 2017, at 9:59 PM, itsfun1 Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I for one am forced to sail on a schedule.   I will not leave unless the window is big enough but, I willing to burn a lot of fuel if necessary. I love to sail and prefer NOT to burn any fuel except for the generator BUT when I have to get back to work so I can afford to sail I get back to work. 
I love the Idea of extra fuel but for now will follow Joel's orders and not change my Boat for a full year. 
By the way I love all the discussion in this group it is a safe place to say what you feel 
Thanks for that!
Cheers and Merry Christmas 
Courtney 
Trippin'



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 12/23/17 7:25 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Nauta tank installation.

 

Eric,


It's not a question of "wussiness", or "correctness" or any other kind of value judgement.  It's just that different people use their boats differently.  If everybody used their boat in exactly the same way, then we'd all have exactly the same boat, and wouldn't that be a boring world?

We have certainly found ourselves in situations where we NEEDED to be [someplace@sometime] and the engine was required to get there.  We try (and usually manage) to avoid such situations. Other people do not have that luxury/desire and there is no reason they should feel I think I am superior to them because of it.

I try really hard (but don't always succeed) to incorporate my rational for a recommendation so people can evaluate if it applies to their personnel situation. Unless I feel really strongly about a sa fety matter, I always try to say "I would..." and avoid "You should...". 


Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Key West, FL

Weigh carrying capacity of SM

karkauai
 

Hi all.
We are going to carry supplies to Caribbean from Ft Lauderdale to hurricane stricken islands this winter. I'm wondering how much weight I can take on safely. Loaded with all our supplies and provisions, Kristy sits about 1 1/2 inches above the original waterline in the stern, and 4 inches above waterline at the bow.

Can I load her to that waterline? If I go above it, the engine and generator exhausts will be below the water. That doesn't seem like a good idea. If that is ok, what other considerations are important if I load her another inch or more above the waterline?

I was going to carry one pallet (40" x 40" x48") on the foreword cabintop and another one or two broken down below decks as carrying capacity allows. I don't know the weight of the pallets yet.

Any thoughts?

Thanks andMerry Christmas!
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Nauta tank installation.

Courtney Gorman
 

I for one am forced to sail on a schedule.   I will not leave unless the window is big enough but, I willing to burn a lot of fuel if necessary. I love to sail and prefer NOT to burn any fuel except for the generator BUT when I have to get back to work so I can afford to sail I get back to work. 
I love the Idea of extra fuel but for now will follow Joel's orders and not change my Boat for a full year. 
By the way I love all the discussion in this group it is a safe place to say what you feel 
Thanks for that!
Cheers and Merry Christmas 
Courtney 
Trippin'



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 12/23/17 7:25 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Nauta tank installation.

 

Eric,


It's not a question of "wussiness", or "correctness" or any other kind of value judgement.  It's just that different people use their boats differently.  If everybody used their boat in exactly the same way, then we'd all have exactly the same boat, and wouldn't that be a boring world?

We have certainly found ourselves in situations where we NEEDED to be [someplace@sometime] and the engine was required to get there.  We try (and usually manage) to avoid such situations. Other people do not have that luxury/desire and there is no reason they should feel I think I am superior to them because of it.

I try really hard (but don't always succeed) to incorporate my rational for a recommendation so people can evaluate if it applies to their personnel situation. Unless I feel really strongly about a sa fety matter, I always try to say "I would..." and avoid "You should...". 


Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Key West, FL

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Nauta tank installation.

James Alton
 

Bill,

  Well put!  I admire your desire to sail as much as possible with your boat.   Happy Holidays to you and the other Amel owners!

Best,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Dec 23, 2017, at 8:25 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Eric,


It's not a question of "wussiness", or "correctness" or any other kind of value judgement.  It's just that different people use their boats differently.  If everybody used their boat in exactly the same way, then we'd all have exactly the same boat, and wouldn't that be a boring world?

We have certainly found ourselves in situations where we NEEDED to be [someplace@sometime] and the engine was required to get there.  We try (and usually manage) to avoid such situations. Other people do not have that luxury/desire and there is no reason they should feel I think I am superior to them because of it.

I try really hard (but don't always succeed) to incorporate my rational for a recommendation so people can evaluate if it applies to their personnel situation. Unless I feel really strongly about a sa fety matter, I always try to say "I would..." and avoid "You should...". 


Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Key West, FL


Re: Nauta tank installation.

greatketch@...
 

Eric,

It's not a question of "wussiness", or "correctness" or any other kind of value judgement.  It's just that different people use their boats differently.  If everybody used their boat in exactly the same way, then we'd all have exactly the same boat, and wouldn't that be a boring world?

We have certainly found ourselves in situations where we NEEDED to be [someplace@sometime] and the engine was required to get there.  We try (and usually manage) to avoid such situations. Other people do not have that luxury/desire and there is no reason they should feel I think I am superior to them because of it.

I try really hard (but don't always succeed) to incorporate my rational for a recommendation so people can evaluate if it applies to their personnel situation. Unless I feel really strongly about a safety matter, I always try to say "I would..." and avoid "You should...". 


Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Key West, FL

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Nauta tank installation.

eric freedman
 

James,

On my Tartan 37 years ago, I  literally motored from Bermuda to Long Island. Even with a code 0 sail there was absolutely no wind to sail.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 8:40 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Nauta tank installation.

 

 

EriC- I think others would agree that you are NOT a wuss!...

Thanks for the detail on this. I’m thinking of having a spare Nauta tank for the passage north to New England. 

 

James


On Dec 23, 2017, at 1:25 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Our Nauta Tank installation(s)

I have 6 pad eyes through bolted into my port locker for a 50+ gallon Nauta tank. With the corners  attached  to the pad eyes with carabineers and with the 2 strap also attached, the tank is very solid when full.

The tank runs from the outboard side of the port locker to the inboard side of the port locker-Just Fits.

Across the middle of the port locker is a board and the tank sits against that board.

 

 

There are 2 versions of the tank. I bought the one with the fitting attached.. It is also coated with  nylon like a good wetsuit and is not prone to abrasion. Over the last 15 years I have tried many ways to fill the tank.

 

The solution if found  is to use just one 5/8 inch hose hooked to the tank then to  a Jabsco vane puppy pump then another hose that is long and runs from the pump  to the fuel fill. In the middle I wired a 2 way DPDT switch for in and out of the fuel.

When I  had Kimberlite built they installed a 24 volt watertight outlet to the left side of the vertical control of the bow thruster.

 

To fill the tank we use a 6 gallon bucket that we have on board. We  fill it continuously filling the bucket and running the pump. When the tank is about ¾ full we “ burp the tank” . I reverse the pump and someone vigorously steps on the tank numerous times. It is amazing how much air comes out into the ½ full bucket.. We do this twice more while we fill the tank until the tank looks pregnant with no air inside and 50+ gallons inside.

 

The fuel does not slosh around as there is no air and no space for the fuel to slosh.

 

When we need the entire contents of the tank, we reverse the pump and drain it completely, We then remove that tank and lift it up centering the drain above the rest of the tank and drain the last drop of fuel. The tank then looks like it is vacuum sealed.

We then fold it up , put it in a strong bag and put in the locker.

 

We made 2 very long nonstop trips , so I added another Nauta tank.

We lashed and tied it to the aft cabin top and filled it the same way. Needless to say

We really tied it down to the grab rails and mizzen mast. We also cable tied the straps so they would not loosen. It did not move an inch.

The first fuel we used was from that tank.

 

In both cases we came in with a full main tank and some fuel in the aluminum life raft locker tanks.

It is nice to have 330 gallons of fuel on board.

With just the Nauta tank in the port locker we were 2 degrees to port.

 

Ok I’m a wuss.  Unfortunately some of my crew have plane reservation and work so we are sometimes forced to motor.

I hate it but it is necessary.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 6:45 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auxiliary fuel tanks

 

 

James,

 

I used a Nauta flexible tank, not for fuel but as a holding tank on my old boat.  

 

Properly installed and protected from chafe they work great.  It can be tough securing them properly, and because they are flexible, it is impossible to stop the liquid contents from sloshing, so you need to be sure you don't make them so big, or put them in a such a place, that they can have an adverse effect on the stability of the boat.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Key West, Florida.



---In amelyachtowners@..., <jamescromie@...> wrote :

Has anyone used the collapsible auxiliary fuel containers that are available?  They seem like a nice option for economizing in space when not needed.. 

 

James

sm 347

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Nauta tank installation.

James Cromie
 

EriC- I think others would agree that you are NOT a wuss!...
Thanks for the detail on this. I’m thinking of having a spare Nauta tank for the passage north to New England. 

James


On Dec 23, 2017, at 1:25 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Our Nauta Tank installation(s)

I have 6 pad eyes through bolted into my port locker for a 50+ gallon Nauta tank. With the corners  attached  to the pad eyes with carabineers and with the 2 strap also attached, the tank is very solid when full.

The tank runs from the outboard side of the port locker to the inboard side of the port locker-Just Fits.

Across the middle of the port locker is a board and the tank sits against that board.

 

 

There are 2 versions of the tank. I bought the one with the fitting attached. It is also coated with  nylon like a good wetsuit and is not prone to abrasion. Over the last 15 years I have tried many ways to fill the tank.

 

The solution if found  is to use just one 5/8 inch hose hooked to the tank then to  a Jabsco vane puppy pump then another hose that is long and runs from the pump  to the fuel fill. In the middle I wired a 2 way DPDT switch for in and out of the fuel.

When I  had Kimberlite built they installed a 24 volt watertight outlet to the left side of the vertical control of the bow thruster.

 

To fill the tank we use a 6 gallon bucket that we have on board. We  fill it continuously filling the bucket and running the pump. When the tank is about ¾ full we “ burp the tank” . I reverse the pump and someone vigorously steps on the tank numerous times. It is amazing how much air comes out into the ½ full bucket.. We do this twice more while we fill the tank until the tank looks pregnant with no air inside and 50+ gallons inside.

 

The fuel does not slosh around as there is no air and no space for the fuel to slosh.

 

When we need the entire contents of the tank, we reverse the pump and drain it completely, We then remove that tank and lift it up centering the drain above the rest of the tank and drain the last drop of fuel. The tank then looks like it is vacuum sealed.

We then fold it up , put it in a strong bag and put in the locker.

 

We made 2 very long nonstop trips , so I added another Nauta tank.

We lashed and tied it to the aft cabin top and filled it the same way. Needless to say

We really tied it down to the grab rails and mizzen mast. We also cable tied the straps so they would not loosen. It did not move an inch.

The first fuel we used was from that tank.

 

In both cases we came in with a full main tank and some fuel in the aluminum life raft locker tanks.

It is nice to have 330 gallons of fuel on board.

With just the Nauta tank in the port locker we were 2 degrees to port.

 

Ok I’m a wuss.  Unfortunately some of my crew have plane reservation and work so we are sometimes forced to motor.

I hate it but it is necessary.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 6:45 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auxiliary fuel tanks

 

 

James,

 

I used a Nauta flexible tank, not for fuel but as a holding tank on my old boat.  

 

Properly installed and protected from chafe they work great.  It can be tough securing them properly, and because they are flexible, it is impossible to stop the liquid contents from sloshing, so you need to be sure you don't make them so big, or put them in a such a place, that they can have an adverse effect on the stability of the boat.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Key West, Florida.



---In amelyachtowners@..., <jamescromie@...> wrote :

Has anyone used the collapsible auxiliary fuel containers that are available?  They seem like a nice option for economizing in space when not needed.. 

 

James

sm 347

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auxiliary fuel tanks

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, The big lockers on the port side with additional fuel , tools ,etc. only adds to the list. Anything that is not plumb and level draws the attention of my carpenter's eye , and may bother me more than most. I also believe that I detect a small difference in performance hard on the wind , depending on tack . In the scheme of things , not a big deal.
Merry Christmas Everyone,
Pat & Diane
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Dec 22, 2017 7:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auxiliary fuel tanks

 
Pat,

In my paperwork that has traveled with the boat since she was delivered, there is a drawing  labeled "Super Maramu, Hull #1" that shows the batteries installed across the front of the engine room.  If Hull #1 was actually initially assembled that way, the first time she hit the water I'll bet the batteries were relocated pretty quickly!

Ignoring interior cabinet work, the biggest permanent asymmetry in weight distribution is the generator and the batteries. Nine G31 batteries just don't add up to one Onan 6.5KW genset. Newer boats that have 13 batteries probably have less of an issue with this.

When we took delivery of our boat, she was essentially empty of all stores.  She had a list of about 1 degree to port, although she came very close to level when the fuel tank was topped off.. So my guess, is that's the w ay she came. 

With so much easily accessible storage on the port side (the liferaft locker, and the cockpit locker) it's really hard to keep from making that worse when the boat is your one and only home that has to hold everything.  But we try. 

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Key West, FL


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Bill , I also have a list to port of maybe one or two degrees ,I can see ,feel it , I could never figure why. Amel would have certainly balanced things out in the design . While you have the generator to port , you have a fuel and batteries to starboard . I was concerned that some how my particular boat was mis formed , or my mast not centered , I took measurements . Do you think our boats came out of the factory with a list or is there another explanation.
Merry Christmas to all,
Pat SM#123



Nauta tank installation.

eric freedman
 

Our Nauta Tank installation(s)

I have 6 pad eyes through bolted into my port locker for a 50+ gallon Nauta tank. With the corners  attached  to the pad eyes with carabineers and with the 2 strap also attached, the tank is very solid when full.

The tank runs from the outboard side of the port locker to the inboard side of the port locker-Just Fits.

Across the middle of the port locker is a board and the tank sits against that board.

 

 

There are 2 versions of the tank. I bought the one with the fitting attached. It is also coated with  nylon like a good wetsuit and is not prone to abrasion. Over the last 15 years I have tried many ways to fill the tank.

 

The solution if found  is to use just one 5/8 inch hose hooked to the tank then to  a Jabsco vane puppy pump then another hose that is long and runs from the pump  to the fuel fill. In the middle I wired a 2 way DPDT switch for in and out of the fuel.

When I  had Kimberlite built they installed a 24 volt watertight outlet to the left side of the vertical control of the bow thruster.

 

To fill the tank we use a 6 gallon bucket that we have on board. We  fill it continuously filling the bucket and running the pump. When the tank is about ¾ full we “ burp the tank” . I reverse the pump and someone vigorously steps on the tank numerous times. It is amazing how much air comes out into the ½ full bucket.. We do this twice more while we fill the tank until the tank looks pregnant with no air inside and 50+ gallons inside.

 

The fuel does not slosh around as there is no air and no space for the fuel to slosh.

 

When we need the entire contents of the tank, we reverse the pump and drain it completely, We then remove that tank and lift it up centering the drain above the rest of the tank and drain the last drop of fuel. The tank then looks like it is vacuum sealed.

We then fold it up , put it in a strong bag and put in the locker.

 

We made 2 very long nonstop trips , so I added another Nauta tank.

We lashed and tied it to the aft cabin top and filled it the same way. Needless to say

We really tied it down to the grab rails and mizzen mast. We also cable tied the straps so they would not loosen. It did not move an inch.

The first fuel we used was from that tank.

 

In both cases we came in with a full main tank and some fuel in the aluminum life raft locker tanks.

It is nice to have 330 gallons of fuel on board.

With just the Nauta tank in the port locker we were 2 degrees to port.

 

Ok I’m a wuss.  Unfortunately some of my crew have plane reservation and work so we are sometimes forced to motor.

I hate it but it is necessary.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 6:45 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auxiliary fuel tanks

 

 

James,

 

I used a Nauta flexible tank, not for fuel but as a holding tank on my old boat.  

 

Properly installed and protected from chafe they work great.  It can be tough securing them properly, and because they are flexible, it is impossible to stop the liquid contents from sloshing, so you need to be sure you don't make them so big, or put them in a such a place, that they can have an adverse effect on the stability of the boat.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Key West, Florida.



---In amelyachtowners@..., <jamescromie@...> wrote :

Has anyone used the collapsible auxiliary fuel containers that are available?  They seem like a nice option for economizing in space when not needed. 

 

James

sm 347

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auxiliary fuel tanks

Stephen Davis
 

At least through hull #72, the batteries were installed in the engine room, but most have been modified to put the batteries under the pilot berth. I’m curious to know when Amel changed the location, and maybe Olivier can answer this question. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Shelter Bay, Panama

On Dec 22, 2017, at 20:37, john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bill, Pat, and Thomas,

 I have a 1990 (#37) SM.  My batteries are located under the pilot berth, but it looks like there is formed into the structure an area for batteries in the aft  part of the engine room.  On my hull it appears to have never been utilized except for the starting battery.  The main battery disconnects and bus bar are located adjacent to this area.  My boat has no list....at least not on the inclinometer...I can't perceive a list either if anyone trusts my eyes.  Bill I do keep the main tank full, and store 4 22 liter jerry cans in the port cockpit locker.  The life raft locker has only a life-raft and floating "ditch barrel."

During my boat searching I do seem to recall running across an early SM with a small battery bank in the engine room rather than under the pilot berth, and it did have a genset.


What to make of all of this?  Who knows.  ...well Olivier probably does.

John Clark
SV Annie  SM 37
St. Augustine

Re: Auxiliary fuel tanks

John Clark
 

Hi Bill, Pat, and Thomas,
 I have a 1990 (#37) SM.  My batteries are located under the pilot berth, but it looks like there is formed into the structure an area for batteries in the aft  part of the engine room.  On my hull it appears to have never been utilized except for the starting battery.  The main battery disconnects and bus bar are located adjacent to this area.  My boat has no list....at least not on the inclinometer...I can't perceive a list either if anyone trusts my eyes.  Bill I do keep the main tank full, and store 4 22 liter jerry cans in the port cockpit locker.  The life raft locker has only a life-raft and floating "ditch barrel."

During my boat searching I do seem to recall running across an early SM with a small battery bank in the engine room rather than under the pilot berth, and it did have a genset.


What to make of all of this?  Who knows.  ...well Olivier probably does.

John Clark
SV Annie  SM 37
St. Augustine

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auxiliary fuel tanks

greatketch@...
 

Pat,

In my paperwork that has traveled with the boat since she was delivered, there is a drawing  labeled "Super Maramu, Hull #1" that shows the batteries installed across the front of the engine room.  If Hull #1 was actually initially assembled that way, the first time she hit the water I'll bet the batteries were relocated pretty quickly!

Ignoring interior cabinet work, the biggest permanent asymmetry in weight distribution is the generator and the batteries. Nine G31 batteries just don't add up to one Onan 6.5KW genset. Newer boats that have 13 batteries probably have less of an issue with this.

When we took delivery of our boat, she was essentially empty of all stores.  She had a list of about 1 degree to port, although she came very close to level when the fuel tank was topped off.. So my guess, is that's the way she came. 

With so much easily accessible storage on the port side (the liferaft locker, and the cockpit locker) it's really hard to keep from making that worse when the boat is your one and only home that has to hold everything.  But we try. 

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Key West, FL


---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailw32@...> wrote :

Bill , I also have a list to port of maybe one or two degrees ,I can see ,feel it , I could never figure why. Amel would have certainly balanced things out in the design . While you have the generator to port , you have a fuel and batteries to starboard . I was concerned that some how my particular boat was mis formed , or my mast not centered , I took measurements . Do you think our boats came out of the factory with a list or is there another explanation.
Merry Christmas to all,
Pat SM#123



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Auxiliary fuel tanks

greatketch@...
 

James,

I used a Nauta flexible tank, not for fuel but as a holding tank on my old boat.  

Properly installed and protected from chafe they work great.  It can be tough securing them properly, and because they are flexible, it is impossible to stop the liquid contents from sloshing, so you need to be sure you don't make them so big, or put them in a such a place, that they can have an adverse effect on the stability of the boat.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Key West, Florida.


---In amelyachtowners@..., <jamescromie@...> wrote :

Has anyone used the collapsible auxiliary fuel containers that are available?  They seem like a nice option for economizing in space when not needed. 

James
sm 347