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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge maintenance
greatketch@...
We don't have any trouble with the bilge smell in the boat, for two reasons.
We are not terribly fussy about what goes down the drain, but we do always was dishes with the strainer in the drain. We also have a sink trap that catches other "chunks" under the sink in the galley. I wouldn't say we were any more careful about this than we would be in home without a garbage grinder. We also have "U" traps made of three elbows and tubing where the drains empty into the sump. Always full of water, they prevent the backup of any engine room odors into the cabin. Bleach is something I don't use on the boat at all. It is just too corrosive to too many things. I clean the sump when it looks like it has accumulated enough "gunk" to need it. It's not very often it needs it. I look whenever I am in the engine room, but I don't have the cleaning on my routine maintenance schedule. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Key West, FL
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aquarius Tour
Thank you both for sharing a bit of your life. Great video and one I can share with my family until I can make my own. Very generous for you to produce and share. Sail safely and enjoy your time together. We look forward to viewing some more YouTube videos. Hopefully we will cross paths some day.
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Chuck and Kim s/V Joy SM2K #388
On Dec 25, 2017, at 7:16 AM, SAMET GOLGECI finikeyachting@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Nauta tank installation.
greatketch@...
Steve, I would not carry extra fuel for the trip you describe. With modern weather forecasts and routing there is no reason you should need to motor for a thousand miles on this trip, even if you are impatient. Having said that, you might need to wait for two weeks or more in Panama for the weather forecast to be suitable for a departure. If you need to get underway on a schedule, you might need more fuel. I haven't done the Panama to Hawaii trip (next year!) but I have done San Diego to Hawaii, and Hawaii to San Francisco and burned nothing--other than for harbor maneuvering. We did sit becalmed and rolling for most of 24 hours in between the coastal winds and the trades on the way west. I think that day we covered 10 miles... One of the interesting exercises I do when running my weather routing is to run it with and without the option of motoring turned on. I seem to always find it makes a lot less difference in final arrival time than I expect. There are times when I might pile on extra fuel. If I was spending a lot of time in a place where fuel was either not conveniently available, or insanely expensive, or if I was going to be doing a lot of fishing (that's when we do burn much of our dinosaur juice). Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Key West, FL ---In amelyachtowners@..., <flyboyscd@...> wrote : It seems their is no correct answer to how much fuel to carry. Like many here have voiced, I hate to motor and love to sail. With that said, every passage has its own challenges, and most of us would rather be prepared for any eventuality. The one thing I’m not prepared to do is roll around for weeks in the ITCZ while waiting for wind, as I’d prefer to quickly get to the wind, and then enjoy a great sail to our destination. We will be departing Panama in a couple of weeks, and embarking on a nearly 5000 nm journey to Hawaii. We tried to find a longer distance between 2 points of land, but this was the best we could do for now. If you have never looked at this route, it poses some unique problems in the first 1500+ miles. You have to deal with the ITCZ and some other phenomena which can create a huge area of little or no wind before you get to the area of NE trades which will carry you swiftly to Hawaii. I’ve spoke to one sailor who took 48 days enroute on his Hans Christian 43. We hope to make the trip in 28 to 30 days with our swift SM, and some extra fuel in case I can’t find a way to keep us in some wind early on. In our case we will use a 37 gallon Nauta bladder secured just behind the fuel cap on the aft deck, and 5 twenty liter jerry cans in the life raft locker. We have a valise life raft which lives on the floor at the nav station when on passage. We have never carried extra diesel on any passage prior to this, but it seemed smart this time, and we are happy with the choice. Happy to hear what the rest of you think. Should we take less or more extra diesel? How about you Bill K...would you take any extra? If any one is interested in tracking our progress, you see where we are at http://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/Aloha We expect to depart from the Las Perlas Islands on 8 January, or slightly thereafter. Also, if anyone is planning a trip to Hawaii, we would love to meet you, and will also be serving as the Ocean Cruising Club Port Captain for Hawaii for the year in the islands prior to moving on to the South Pacific. Seasons Greetings, Steve and Liz Davis Aloha SM72 Shelter Bay, Panama
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Re: Weigh carrying capacity of SM
greatketch@...
Kent,
I suspect when you describe your boat's current waterline status you are looking at the painted waterline on the hull. That is not the waterline as drawn for the boat on her design drawings. When we picked up Harmonie she was almost empty of gear. I saw the painted waterline was significantly higher at the bow then the stern. About 3 inches if my memory is correct. This struck me as very odd for an unloaded boat. So I measured the distance from the water to the gunwale at bow and stern and compared to the architects drawing. She was spot on her correct fore and aft trim as per the drawing. Take away lesson: The painted waterline is not necessarily where she should sit! If you were to load our boat until the water at the bow was even with the painted line, you would have water at the top of the bowthruster well, and maybe over it! Note that I have NOT done this measurement on ANY other Amel. It is possible it only applies to #160. Amel might have changed the painted waterlines at other times, or a previous owner might have changed yours! I do not know if Amel painted the waterline higher at the bow on our boat as an aesthetic thing, or just got it wrong, but it's definitely not where the boat should sit in the water. As for how much you can carry... A Super Maramu has a LWL of 41.3 feet, a Waterline Beam of about 14.5 feet... A SM has a LWL Area of (very roughly) 0.67 *41.3* 14.5 ~ 400 sq feet So to sink her a extra inch overall will take 400 * 5.33 ~ 2,100 lbs or close to one ton. That's actually a pretty conservative number for a SM because as she settles deeper her LWL becomes a bit longer. So how deep you can take her... I don't have a good answer. If loaded so the heavy stuff was down as low as possible and not concentrated at the ends of the boat, I'd guess two inches (two tons) would be a conservative number. Carrying that much weight as "deck cargo" would certainly reduce the stability of the boat. But I have no idea if it would be dangerous because I don't know her designed center of gravity or metacentric height. For a real answer I think you'll have to talk to a naval architect, or ask Amel. Honestly, my suggestion would be to take the money you would spend on the fuel for that trip and donate it to have the material shipped commercially to the nearest working port. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Key West, FL ---In amelyachtowners@..., <karkauai@...> wrote : Hi all. We are going to carry supplies to Caribbean from Ft Lauderdale to hurricane stricken islands this winter. I'm wondering how much weight I can take on safely. Loaded with all our supplies and provisions, Kristy sits about 1 1/2 inches above the original waterline in the stern, and 4 inches above waterline at the bow. Can I load her to that waterline? If I go above it, the engine and generator exhausts will be below the water. That doesn't seem like a good idea. If that is ok, what other considerations are important if I load her another inch or more above the waterline? I was going to carry one pallet (40" x 40" x48") on the foreword cabintop and another one or two broken down below decks as carrying capacity allows. I don't know the weight of the pallets yet. Any thoughts? Thanks andMerry Christmas! Kent SM 243 Kristy
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge maintenance
Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
Hi Gang,
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The main ingredient to keeping your AMEL sweet smelling is not to let any”ingredient” go down the galley sinks. You must become a fanatic of food remains removal from all dishes to be washed. My 30 year old boat (almost) is always sweet smelling because I am a food waste nazi.. never any bit of food waste in the sinks. I clean out my bilges by adding a small quantity of bleach to a white wash during washing machine operation. I also only use liquid shower gels. “Cleanliness is next to Godliness”…. Merry Christmas Jean-Pierre Germain SY Eleuthera, SM007, Panama
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge maintenance
Hi all, reviewing this past thread on bilge maintenance.
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I am wondering if anyone has tried one of the enzymatic drain maintenance products? My dad used to be a big fan of one of these products at his home, but I did not experiment with it much. I believe it is supposed to be friendly to plumbing. Always looking for ideas to extend the grey water sump/bilge cleaning cycle. Thanks and regards, Dan Carlson, SM #387, sv BeBe .
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
I am following this thread too.
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Y Yacht proposed 60% more than my present policy… Guess I’m not going there… Jean-PIerre Germain SY Eleuthera, SM007
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aquarius Tour
AHOY My Friends; Wishing you all magical Happy Holidays and smooth sailing! May you sail right through a Merry Christmas into a Happy New Year 2018.  🤶 ☃️☃️☃️ 🍾🍾🍾 🥂  (Please excuse typos, this was written on my mobile) Saygilarimizla / Best Regards / Mit Freundliche Grusse; Samet Golgeci Managing Owner Finike Yachting Agency Mobile : +90 542 657 43 03 (Whatsapp Available) Web : www.finikeyachting.com E-mail : finikeyachting@... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Transitlog Renewals + Check in & out procedures for Turkey + Brokerage Yacht Guardianage including technical services and maintenance Real Estate consultancy including organise house repairs + Maintenance Supervising vacant property + Fresh Provisions & Supplies + Duty Free Diesel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Aquarius Tour
Ken Powers <sailingaquarius@...>
Happy Holidays Amel Owners! We have owned Aquarius for just about a year now, and would like to thank all of the ALL of you for your emails and comments because Z and I have learned so much for these emails. The learning curve is big when buying your first boat, especially if your first boat is 53 feet..... THANKS! We have a tour of Aquarius at:
Merry Christmas! Ken Powers Aquarius SM2K #262 Currently in Panama Shelter Ban Marina
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
VLADIMIR SONSEV
Please provide contact info or your Y Yacht an English based insurance broker. MI contact: Sonsev52 at Gmail Vladimir SM345 "LIGE IS GOOD"
On Dec 21, 2017 01:03, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Nauta tank installation.
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Next you could try the route of the Clipper race from China to California 5700 miles. Fair Winds on your amazing passage. Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 12:34 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Nauta tank installation.
It seems their is no correct answer to how much fuel to carry. Like many here have voiced, I hate to motor and love to sail. With that said, every passage has its own challenges, and most of us would rather be prepared for any eventuality. The one thing I’m not prepared to do is roll around for weeks in the ITCZ while waiting for wind, as I’d prefer to quickly get to the wind, and then enjoy a great sail to our destination.
We will be departing Panama in a couple of weeks, and embarking on a nearly 5000 nm journey to Hawaii. We tried to find a longer distance between 2 points of land, but this was the best we could do for now. If you have never looked at this route, it poses some unique problems in the first 1500+ miles. You have to deal with the ITCZ and some other phenomena which can create a huge area of little or no wind before you get to the area of NE trades which will carry you swiftly to Hawaii. I’ve spoke to one sailor who took 48 days enroute on his Hans Christian 43. We hope to make the trip in 28 to 30 days with our swift SM, and some extra fuel in case I can’t find a way to keep us in some wind early on. In our case we will use a 37 gallon Nauta bladder secured just behind the fuel cap on the aft deck, and 5 twenty liter jerry cans in the life raft locker. We have a valise life raft which lives on the floor at the nav station when on passage.
We have never carried extra diesel on any passage prior to this, but it seemed smart this time, and we are happy with the choice. Happy to hear what the rest of you think. Should we take less or more extra diesel? How about you Bill K...would you take any extra?
If any one is interested in tracking our progress, you see where we are at http://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/Aloha We expect to depart from the Las Perlas Islands on 8 January, or slightly thereafter. Also, if anyone is planning a trip to Hawaii, we would love to meet you, and will also be serving as the Ocean Cruising Club Port Captain for Hawaii for the year in the islands prior to moving on to the South Pacific.
Seasons Greetings,
Steve and Liz Davis Aloha SM72 Shelter Bay, Panama
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Extra fuel
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
I forgot to mention 10 additional trips from to or from the Long Island to S. America or the Caribe in my Tartan 37 with 450 liters of fuel on board. The Tartan would go to weather much better than out Amels. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 6:20 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Extra fuel
We had three occasions when we used more than 600 liters of fuel.
One was a big mistake, sailing from Colombia to Guadeloupe. The trade winds were particularly strong and we has 30 knots average on the nose for 9 days. The Arc world going the other way did it in 4 days.
Another was this fall from Long Island non-stop to Martinique, again strong wind on the nose 12 of wind and 2 days of sailing.. I could have stopped in Bermuda, but it seems like when you pull into Bermuda you are stuck there for days.
The other time was when we had to sail to almost 54 degrees West to get around a huge storm on our way to the Caribbean. This is the storm where Triple Stars lost a crew member.
We almost used 600 liters a 4th time when we were in a hurricane for 36 hours. Herb the weather forecaster told us to divert to Bermuda after the Hurricane at maximum speed. There were 2 more storms of 50 knots coming at us. We beat both storms and continued onto the Caribe without stopping in Bermuda, even though we were looking at the spit buoy off of Bermuda when Herb said to keep going.
I have made many trips over 2000 miles and a few over 3000 and have never used up the main tank. This last trip marked our 35th trip either to or from Ny to the Caribe or S. America
From Puerto Mogan, Grand Canaria to Guadeloupe we used 300 liters, from Long island to Santa Marta Colombia we use 250 liters. Sometimes we have to run the A/C in addition to the Engine when it is terribly hot below, Also we use the diesel heater when it is very cold, even though it uses a tiny amount of diesel.
However in the 78,000 miles we have sailed it was always nice to have the extra fuel.
I think of my very good friend Eric Forsyth in his home made 42 foot West Sail 42. He has logged over 300,000 miles, and CCA blue water medal recipient. We communicate often when he is at sea. One year after enduring a hurricane south of the Falklands, having his boat holed, losing his electronics, and steering, he headed to Cape town. When he fixed the boat he headed to Caribbean to meet for out birthdays. I read his agonizing reports of making 3-15 miles a day for almost 2 weeks while crossing the equator. I am sure he would have liked to have more fuel. He was 82 years old at that time. He just left his boat in Portugal after sailing from Long Island, to come home for Christmas age 85.
His book is a great one about his 50 years of sailing https://www.amazon.com/Inexplicable-Attraction-Fifty-Years-Sailing/dp/0692839259 It’s a great read. He Is now 85 years old.
Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
I am sure that there is a lot of experience in this Group that the "new-to-Amel" Super Maramus and 54 owners would like to hear regarding onboard fuel. When I was new to this Group, I could not get experienced answers on how much is enough fuel.
I bought 10 each 18.9 liter jerry jugs and filled them for each ocean crossing. They added about 300nm to my about 1,000nm range on the Super Maramu (600 liter tank). BTW, the 54 fuel tank is 900 liters and should provide a minimum of 1,300 miles while motoring without carrying extra fuel.
My experience around the world is that we never touched the 10 jugs (189 extra liters) and the most that we used on any passage was 400 liters in an isolated case with almost no wind between Panama and the Galapagos. Had we been more experienced, we may have picked a better departure date. During our two 3,000 passages we used about 250 liters each.
I hope this helps you make your plans.
Best,
CW Bill Rouse
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Extra fuel
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
We had three occasions when we used more than 600 liters of fuel.
One was a big mistake, sailing from Colombia to Guadeloupe. The trade winds were particularly strong and we has 30 knots average on the nose for 9 days. The Arc world going the other way did it in 4 days.
Another was this fall from Long Island non-stop to Martinique, again strong wind on the nose 12 of wind and 2 days of sailing.. I could have stopped in Bermuda, but it seems like when you pull into Bermuda you are stuck there for days.
The other time was when we had to sail to almost 54 degrees West to get around a huge storm on our way to the Caribbean. This is the storm where Triple Stars lost a crew member.
We almost used 600 liters a 4th time when we were in a hurricane for 36 hours. Herb the weather forecaster told us to divert to Bermuda after the Hurricane at maximum speed. There were 2 more storms of 50 knots coming at us. We beat both storms and continued onto the Caribe without stopping in Bermuda, even though we were looking at the spit buoy off of Bermuda when Herb said to keep going.
I have made many trips over 2000 miles and a few over 3000 and have never used up the main tank. This last trip marked our 35th trip either to or from Ny to the Caribe or S. America
From Puerto Mogan, Grand Canaria to Guadeloupe we used 300 liters, from Long island to Santa Marta Colombia we use 250 liters. Sometimes we have to run the A/C in addition to the Engine when it is terribly hot below, Also we use the diesel heater when it is very cold, even though it uses a tiny amount of diesel.
However in the 78,000 miles we have sailed it was always nice to have the extra fuel.
I think of my very good friend Eric Forsyth in his home made 42 foot West Sail 42. He has logged over 300,000 miles, and CCA blue water medal recipient. We communicate often when he is at sea. One year after enduring a hurricane south of the Falklands, having his boat holed, losing his electronics, and steering, he headed to Cape town. When he fixed the boat he headed to Caribbean to meet for out birthdays. I read his agonizing reports of making 3-15 miles a day for almost 2 weeks while crossing the equator. I am sure he would have liked to have more fuel. He was 82 years old at that time. He just left his boat in Portugal after sailing from Long Island, to come home for Christmas age 85.
His book is a great one about his 50 years of sailing https://www.amazon.com/Inexplicable-Attraction-Fifty-Years-Sailing/dp/0692839259 It’s a great read. He Is now 85 years old.
Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 11:57 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Nauta tank installation.
I am sure that there is a lot of experience in this Group that the "new-to-Amel" Super Maramus and 54 owners would like to hear regarding onboard fuel. When I was new to this Group, I could not get experienced answers on how much is enough fuel.
I bought 10 each 18.9 liter jerry jugs and filled them for each ocean crossing. They added about 300nm to my about 1,000nm range on the Super Maramu (600 liter tank). BTW, the 54 fuel tank is 900 liters and should provide a minimum of 1,300 miles while motoring without carrying extra fuel.
My experience around the world is that we never touched the 10 jugs (189 extra liters) and the most that we used on any passage was 400 liters in an isolated case with almost no wind between Panama and the Galapagos. Had we been more experienced, we may have picked a better departure date. During our two 3,000 passages we used about 250 liters each.
I hope this helps you make your plans.
Best,
CW Bill Rouse
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Nauta tank installation.
James Cromie <jamescromie@...>
I am grateful for all of the sage advice from the community of experienced sailors on this forum.
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Thank you all for your input. Happy Holidays to everyone. James SM347
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Steering greasing points on maramu
smiles bernard
Hello there fellow Maramu fans
Behind my steering wheel looks like the attached photo There is a grease point on the upper alu section in the middle of the photo. There is another on the lower alu section but on the reverse/ hidden face Does anyone know if this greases the cable or some sort of rack and pinion that then attaches to the cable ? Many thanks in advance and have a very merry Christmas Miles
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Procedure for setting spinnaker pole
smiles bernard
Hello there
I’d be really great full if anyone could explain the spinnaker pole setup procedure on a maramu. The previous owner mentioned it briefly but is was amongst a great deal of other info so has evaporated somewhat. Merry Christmas! Miles
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Nauta tank installation.
Stephen Davis
It seems their is no correct answer to how much fuel to carry. Like many here have voiced, I hate to motor and love to sail. With that said, every passage has its own challenges, and most of us would rather be prepared for any eventuality. The one thing I’m not prepared to do is roll around for weeks in the ITCZ while waiting for wind, as I’d prefer to quickly get to the wind, and then enjoy a great sail to our destination. We will be departing Panama in a couple of weeks, and embarking on a nearly 5000 nm journey to Hawaii. We tried to find a longer distance between 2 points of land, but this was the best we could do for now. If you have never looked at this route, it poses some unique problems in the first 1500+ miles. You have to deal with the ITCZ and some other phenomena which can create a huge area of little or no wind before you get to the area of NE trades which will carry you swiftly to Hawaii. I’ve spoke to one sailor who took 48 days enroute on his Hans Christian 43. We hope to make the trip in 28 to 30 days with our swift SM, and some extra fuel in case I can’t find a way to keep us in some wind early on. In our case we will use a 37 gallon Nauta bladder secured just behind the fuel cap on the aft deck, and 5 twenty liter jerry cans in the life raft locker. We have a valise life raft which lives on the floor at the nav station when on passage. We have never carried extra diesel on any passage prior to this, but it seemed smart this time, and we are happy with the choice. Happy to hear what the rest of you think. Should we take less or more extra diesel? How about you Bill K...would you take any extra? If any one is interested in tracking our progress, you see where we are at http://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/Aloha We expect to depart from the Las Perlas Islands on 8 January, or slightly thereafter. Also, if anyone is planning a trip to Hawaii, we would love to meet you, and will also be serving as the Ocean Cruising Club Port Captain for Hawaii for the year in the islands prior to moving on to the South Pacific. Seasons Greetings, Steve and Liz Davis Aloha SM72 Shelter Bay, Panama
On Dec 24, 2017, at 11:56, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Nauta tank installation.
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
I am sure that there is a lot of experience in this Group that the "new-to-Amel" Super Maramus and 54 owners would like to hear regarding onboard fuel. When I was new to this Group, I could not get experienced answers on how much is enough fuel. I bought 10 each 18.9 liter jerry jugs and filled them for each ocean crossing. They added about 300nm to my about 1,000nm range on the Super Maramu (600 liter tank). BTW, the 54 fuel tank is 900 liters and should provide a minimum of 1,300 miles while motoring without carrying extra fuel. My experience around the world is that we never touched the 10 jugs (189 extra liters) and the most that we used on any passage was 400 liters in an isolated case with almost no wind between Panama and the Galapagos. Had we been more experienced, we may have picked a better departure date. During our two 3,000 passages we used about 250 liters each. I hope this helps you make your plans. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Nauta tank installation.
Courtney.
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You have a serious range on the fuel you natively carry. Porter.
On Dec 23, 2017, at 9:59 PM, itsfun1 Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Weigh carrying capacity of SM
Hi all.
We are going to carry supplies to Caribbean from Ft Lauderdale to hurricane stricken islands this winter. I'm wondering how much weight I can take on safely. Loaded with all our supplies and provisions, Kristy sits about 1 1/2 inches above the original waterline in the stern, and 4 inches above waterline at the bow. Can I load her to that waterline? If I go above it, the engine and generator exhausts will be below the water. That doesn't seem like a good idea. If that is ok, what other considerations are important if I load her another inch or more above the waterline? I was going to carry one pallet (40" x 40" x48") on the foreword cabintop and another one or two broken down below decks as carrying capacity allows. I don't know the weight of the pallets yet. Any thoughts? Thanks andMerry Christmas! Kent SM 243 Kristy
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