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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] UPDATE *** Martinique. Boat on island about January 18

Peter Forbes
 

Hi all,

Carango will be in Marin next week - is anyone there.

Also Doug? And Carly? Of BeBe very kindly helped me dock Carango yesterday in Marigot Bay - in the scramble of events, I failed to thank them. So THANK YOU BeBe very much. I hope we see you in the next few days?

Peter
Carango Amel 54 #035
Capella Marigot Bay

Peter Forbes
00447836 209730

On 4 Jan 2018, at 05:23, Giovanni Testa gtesta23@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,
I ll be at Marin , fingers crossing, from 5 March.
EUTIKIA SM n 428
Giovanni & Marina TESTA


Il 04/01/2018 08:57, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] ha scritto:
 

 

Hi All,

I will be in Martinique the evening of January 18 for a while,

Looks like the following boats will be there around that time,

Some owners will be on board and others will be away. In any event here seems to be the list

If you will be there around that time please add your name.

 

Jeff Krause 54 Spirit

Derek Gates 53 Brava

Miles Bidwell-not aboard 53 Lady Bug

Dan Carlson, BeBe, SM#387

Vladimir SM 345 "LIFE is Good"

Olaf MIA-AMARA,  Santorin  Ponton 5

James Cromie La Bella Vie (new owner) SM53

Alex Ramseyer, No Stress  AMEL54, 

Mike Ondra  Aletes SM#240

 

 

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 


solar Arch

Marcel Krauth <marcel.krauth@...>
 

Hi everyone

This is my solar Arch on Amel 54 171 with 440w solar panel an victron mmpt regulation

Kind regards

Marcel Krauth

Ganesha 54 nr 171 in Preveza Greece at the moment

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haul out southern Sicily or Malta

Marcel Krauth <marcel.krauth@...>
 

Hi everyone,

I changed my battery last year with a same size battery from Germany 120 ah ins ted of 110 with the old Freedom
They are perfec and the name of the Battery is Perfecta see picture join
I have also a solar Arch from Turkey with 440 w solar panel and Victron regulation with info on my phone

Marcel Krauth
Ganesha S/Y 54 nr 171


On 04/01/2018 07:34, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 

Hi everyone;


We need to haul out in May 2018 for our bottom paint, bow Thruster and C-drive  service. We also need to change out our batteries and possibly install an arch and solar. Looking for recommendation of yards and outfits that you have worked with and can recoomend in southern Sicily, Malta area. I have read most of the discussions on battery selection on the forum. Would appreciate recommended suppliers in the med or other areas that can ship to the med.


Thanks as always;



Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haul out southern Sicily or Malta

Barry Connor
 

Sorry Mohammad my phone spelt your name wrong.
Barry


On Jan 4, 2018, at 7:34 AM, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi everyone;


We need to haul out in May 2018 for our bottom paint, bow Thruster and C-drive  service. We also need to change out our batteries and possibly install an arch and solar. Looking for recommendation of yards and outfits that you have worked with and can recoomend in southern Sicily, Malta area. I have read most of the discussions on battery selection on the forum. Would appreciate recommended suppliers in the med or other areas that can ship to the med.


Thanks as always;



Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haul out southern Sicily or Malta

Barry Connor
 

Hi Mohamed,
We just did our bottom with copper coat in Monastir Tunisia. They have now done two 54’s there that I am aware of. 28 days on the hard, we stayed on the boat and I supervised totally. Copper Coat supplied from UK, they said 21 liters I bought 25 liters and could have used 26 liters, put 6 continuous costs on painting a side a day. The prep took up most of the time. Didn’t do any mechanicals in Monastir, had all that done in Marseille and Hyeres previous year, parts supplied from AMEL. We changed the complete battery bank and starter (13 total)in Nov 2016. Got them from Battery MegaStore online in UK and France, they are doing fine expect them to last a few years. Cost about €90 each, got them with free terminal lugs to connect straight onto the boat cables.
The sail to Monastir was comfortable 3 days 2 nights each way catching 3 tuna in total. All the prices we got in Sicily were too much and I was not allowed to supervise. Monastir will haul you out and paint in 3 days max using your own paint or their supplied paint which I would not trust. I am not on my boat until later this month but if you want all the prices and details I will look for them.
It was hard work and when I left I said I would not go back but now after a few months of thought I would use them again.  I didn’t get cheated but had to watch everything. We also took a new roll 15 meters of alcantara from Italy and got the local Monastir Marina do complete saloon reupholstered for €500. Perfect professional job. Got other jobs done also, sails hull and top sides polished, stainless cleaned. We are still putting together a video.

Best Regards
Barry and Penny
“Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Marina di Ragusa. Sicily



On Jan 4, 2018, at 7:34 AM, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi everyone;


We need to haul out in May 2018 for our bottom paint, bow Thruster and C-drive  service. We also need to change out our batteries and possibly install an arch and solar. Looking for recommendation of yards and outfits that you have worked with and can recoomend in southern Sicily, Malta area. I have read most of the discussions on battery selection on the forum. Would appreciate recommended suppliers in the med or other areas that can ship to the med.


Thanks as always;



Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] UPDATE *** Martinique. Boat on island about January 18

Giovanni TESTA
 

Hi all,
I ll be at Marin , fingers crossing, from 5 March.
EUTIKIA SM n 428
Giovanni & Marina TESTA


Il 04/01/2018 08:57, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] ha scritto:
 

 

Hi All,

I will be in Martinique the evening of January 18 for a while,

Looks like the following boats will be there around that time,

Some owners will be on board and others will be away. In any event here seems to be the list

If you will be there around that time please add your name.

 

Jeff Krause 54 Spirit

Derek Gates 53 Brava

Miles Bidwell-not aboard 53 Lady Bug

Dan Carlson, BeBe, SM#387

Vladimir SM 345 "LIFE is Good"

Olaf MIA-AMARA,  Santorin  Ponton 5

James Cromie La Bella Vie (new owner) SM53

Alex Ramseyer, No Stress  AMEL54, 

Mike Ondra  Aletes SM#240

 

 

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

eric freedman
 

Mike,

It would be a good time to have your Genoa Furler rebuilt as it has to come off to re-rig.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 2:58 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

 

 

Hi Mike,

When do you plan on arriving in Martinique.?

Did you make an appointment with Gaetan?

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 8:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

 

 

Thank you all for your insights on rigging replacement. What a great resource are the people of this BB so willing to share their knowledge and help each other with often times complex decisions.

We are moving forward with the work with Gaetan later this month for future passages with reduced risk and increased peace of mind.

Fair winds,

Mike Ondra

SV Aletes SM#240

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 5:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

 

 

Mike the video you want is part 2… the part where they cut apart the existing rigging is at 22:00 (although all three parts are worth watching as it’s interesting how it was all done - I think I’d still get Gaetan to do it with the correct Amel bits for me though! :-). 

 

Thanks.. Brent

Future SM Owner


On Jan 3, 2018, 7:35 AM -0500, 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>, wrote:



 

Looking at the Delos video now. Looks like a 3 part video, maybe an hour watch. But have a couple of appointments now and will not be able to view until later today.

We are getting some more substantive data now.

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 7:04 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

 

 

Hmmm….

 

Have you seen that video? I believe their boat is newer than ours..

 

On Jan 3, 2018, at 6:01 AM, Brent Cameron brentcameron61@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

I’m a lurker here and love watching this forum for the very useful nuggets of information that leak out on a daily basis from the owners so don’t usually contribute but buried down in the original question on this topic was a statement: "BTW, one owner noted that he was told by Gaetan that he had never seen an Amel with a failed rig. “  

 

I can’t say whether or not this is actually true or not, but on a  passage from Bermuda to Antiqua this last November, there was an Amel (a Kirk I believe) that lost it’s rig in a series of squalls that two other Amel’s (Super Maramus - including the one I was crewimg  on) went through within radio distance of each other without drama.  The other Amel saw them and went over to lend some fuel so that they could make landfall as they were about 400 nautical miles from shore when it happened and weren’t sure they had enough to motor in.   I have left the names of the boats out in order to protect the privacy of the owners..   Also, there is a youtube episode of S/V Delos (another SM) on youtube where they re rigged her (they had the fittings professionally done in Thailand but did the installation themselves) and had cut one of the fittings apart  just as Eric mentioned with his sage advice - they found that it wasn’t far away from failing after being “inspected” bay a professional rigger.   I’d listen to Eric on this one…. (Back to lurking until I get my SM hopefully this fall).  

 

Brent Cameron,

Future SM Owner


On Jan 2, 2018, 10:44 PM -0500, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>, wrote:

 

 

Mike,

Rigging wire does not usually fail. The rigging usually fails at the fittings. Beside magna fluxing or x raying

You do not know what is going on inside the fitting.

 

Gaetan’s head rigger showed me a swage eye stud that he cut open with a band saw. It was on its last legs- the attached wire looked fine. He showed me a new swage that he had cut open from his rotary swaging machines. You could hardly see the strands of wire as the swage was so tight.

 

Kimberlite is in the open ocean 85 percent of the time, if not sitting in a hot marina with salt water down in the swages.  After 15 years , it was time for me to replace the rigging. I had previously mentioned that I replaced 3 pieces of wire and fittings at a very reputable St Maarten rigger due to the impending failure of the wire two fitting  and one fitting was cracked. That was 2 years ago.

However we have put a lot of miles on Kimberlite.

 

Rigging is like the line in dirty harry “how lucky do you feel?”

If you are just coastal cruising then I guess if the rig comes down and doesn’t kill anyone you will be fine.

However using an Amel for what it was built for , I would change the rig.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 3:06 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

 

 

Aletes SM#240 1999 is also facing the re-rigging decision. Various people and sources on internet search suggest wire rigging service life of 16, 12, or even 6 years. Most recommendations are by those with vested interest in replacements, ie.. riggers and wire manufacturers. I have seen a Coast Guard report relating to failures on commercial catamarans in Hawaii that talk about 10 years. Finally I checked with our insurance agent. I figure if any entity has skin in the game (other than the boat owner/occupants) it would be the insurance industry. Our agent was quick to say that the insurance carriers are OK with standing rigging up to 20 years. Thereafter they will require detailed rigging inspections (not just looking up from the deck) every 2 to 5 years (depending on the insurer). This seems like a reasonable and reasoned way to address the aging rigging question and for me was comforting relative to the somewhat arbitrary nature of the shorter lifespan recommendations..

 

So. Here we are with an 18 year old boat that in Amel terms I would consider lightly used (probably less than 12 months total in the open ocean). We are looking at a $13K investment with Gaetan at Caraibe Marine, possibly later this month.. This is not quite a case of “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” but it does feel like, if a  thorough inspection does not identify any problems, why replace a perfectly good rig, especially one this robust.

 

Anyway, we are leaning towards doing it. There seems to be no way to evaluate investing $13K in the equation of risk v. peace of mind.

 

Thoughts welcome.

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240 Falmouth, Antigua

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 11:48 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Riggers In Trinidad and Martinique

 

 

I've been in the group a while but don't often access it..  I' finishing up a circumnavigation and planning to replace the rigging on my 1995 Super Maramu.  It looks great to me, but it is 22 years old.  I have three quotes from different riggers in different countries. The costs vary greatly for both labor and parts, but especially labor.  I have included a summary of the quotes below broken down by labor and parts.  All quotes are for 316 stainless steel and includes all turnbuckles and upper eye pieces..  My question to this forum is whether any of you have knowledge of Jason Romell in Trinidad.  I've had good reports on Gaetan of Caraibe Marine  in Martinique who is recommended by the local Amel office.   Romell is recommended by Peake Yachts in Trinidad where my boat is on the hard..  I include these details since it may help other owners thinking of re-rigging.  BTW, one owner not ed that he was told by Gaetan that he had never seen an Amel with a failed rig.  I provide the costs in Euros and US Dollars converted at a rate of 1.19 US dollars per Euro..  

 

 

Quote From  

          Euro              Labor

          Euro            Parts

        Euro          Total

    Dollars      Total

Trinidad - Jason Romell

1,513

6,607

8,119

$9662

Martinique - Caraibe Marine

3,429

8,106

11,535

$13,726

Seattle - Northwest Rigging

8,580

9,552

18,132

$21,577

Seattle Higher Than Trinidad By

150%

18%

57%

57%

Martinique Higher Than Trinidad By

127%

23%

42%

42%

NW Higher Than Trinidad By

467%

45%

123%

123%


I am trending toward the less expensive quote from Trinidad contingent on meeting Jason on Friday.  But I'm very tempted to go for the more expensive quote from Martinique given the recommendation form Amel.   Ken Powers had Aquarius rigged in Martinique last year and was quite happy.  

 

Any comments appreciated.  Happy New Year to all!

 

Bill Shaproski

S/V Pacific Cool

 

 

 

 

 

Re: UPDATE *** Martinique. Boat on island about January 18

eric freedman
 

 

 

 

Hi All,

I will be in Martinique the evening of January 18 for a while,

Looks like the following boats will be there around that time,

Some owners will be on board and others will be away. In any event here seems to be the list

If you will be there around that time please add your name.

 

Jeff Krause 54 Spirit

Derek Gates 53 Brava

Miles Bidwell-not aboard 53 Lady Bug

Dan Carlson, BeBe, SM#387

Vladimir SM 345 "LIFE is Good"

Olaf MIA-AMARA,  Santorin  Ponton 5

James Cromie La Bella Vie (new owner) SM53

Alex Ramseyer, No Stress  AMEL54, 

Mike Ondra Aletes SM#240

 

 

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

UPDATE *** Martinique. Boat on island about January 18

eric freedman
 

 

 

 

Hi All,

I will be in Martinique the evening of January 18 for a while,

Looks like the following boats will be there around that time,

Some owners will be on board and others will be away. In any event here seems to be the list

If you will be there around that time please add your name.

 

Jeff Krause 54 Spirit

Derek Gates 53 Brava

Miles Bidwell-not aboard 53 Lady Bug

Dan Carlson, BeBe, SM#387

Vladimir SM 345 "LIFE is Good"

Olaf MIA-AMARA,  Santorin  Ponton 5

James Cromie La Bella Vie (new owner) SM53

Alex Ramseyer, No Stress  AMEL54, 

Mike Ondra Aletes SM#240

 

 

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

eric freedman
 

Hi Mike,

When do you plan on arriving in Martinique.?

Did you make an appointment with Gaetan?

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 8:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

 

 

Thank you all for your insights on rigging replacement. What a great resource are the people of this BB so willing to share their knowledge and help each other with often times complex decisions.

We are moving forward with the work with Gaetan later this month for future passages with reduced risk and increased peace of mind.

Fair winds,

Mike Ondra

SV Aletes SM#240

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 5:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

 

 

Mike the video you want is part 2… the part where they cut apart the existing rigging is at 22:00 (although all three parts are worth watching as it’s interesting how it was all done - I think I’d still get Gaetan to do it with the correct Amel bits for me though! :-). 

 

Thanks.. Brent

Future SM Owner


On Jan 3, 2018, 7:35 AM -0500, 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>, wrote:


 

Looking at the Delos video now. Looks like a 3 part video, maybe an hour watch. But have a couple of appointments now and will not be able to view until later today.

We are getting some more substantive data now.

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 7:04 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

 

 

Hmmm….

 

Have you seen that video? I believe their boat is newer than ours.

 

On Jan 3, 2018, at 6:01 AM, Brent Cameron brentcameron61@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

I’m a lurker here and love watching this forum for the very useful nuggets of information that leak out on a daily basis from the owners so don’t usually contribute but buried down in the original question on this topic was a statement: "BTW, one owner noted that he was told by Gaetan that he had never seen an Amel with a failed rig. “  

 

I can’t say whether or not this is actually true or not, but on a  passage from Bermuda to Antiqua this last November, there was an Amel (a Kirk I believe) that lost it’s rig in a series of squalls that two other Amel’s (Super Maramus - including the one I was crewimg  on) went through within radio distance of each other without drama.  The other Amel saw them and went over to lend some fuel so that they could make landfall as they were about 400 nautical miles from shore when it happened and weren’t sure they had enough to motor in.   I have left the names of the boats out in order to protect the privacy of the owners..   Also, there is a youtube episode of S/V Delos (another SM) on youtube where they re rigged her (they had the fittings professionally done in Thailand but did the installation themselves) and had cut one of the fittings apart  just as Eric mentioned with his sage advice - they found that it wasn’t far away from failing after being “inspected” bay a professional rigger.   I’d listen to Eric on this one…. (Back to lurking until I get my SM hopefully this fall).  

 

Brent Cameron,

Future SM Owner


On Jan 2, 2018, 10:44 PM -0500, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>, wrote:

 

 

Mike,

Rigging wire does not usually fail. The rigging usually fails at the fittings. Beside magna fluxing or x raying

You do not know what is going on inside the fitting.

 

Gaetan’s head rigger showed me a swage eye stud that he cut open with a band saw. It was on its last legs- the attached wire looked fine. He showed me a new swage that he had cut open from his rotary swaging machines. You could hardly see the strands of wire as the swage was so tight.

 

Kimberlite is in the open ocean 85 percent of the time, if not sitting in a hot marina with salt water down in the swages.  After 15 years , it was time for me to replace the rigging. I had previously mentioned that I replaced 3 pieces of wire and fittings at a very reputable St Maarten rigger due to the impending failure of the wire two fitting  and one fitting was cracked. That was 2 years ago.

However we have put a lot of miles on Kimberlite.

 

Rigging is like the line in dirty harry “how lucky do you feel?”

If you are just coastal cruising then I guess if the rig comes down and doesn’t kill anyone you will be fine.

However using an Amel for what it was built for , I would change the rig.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 3:06 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

 

 

Aletes SM#240 1999 is also facing the re-rigging decision. Various people and sources on internet search suggest wire rigging service life of 16, 12, or even 6 years. Most recommendations are by those with vested interest in replacements, ie.. riggers and wire manufacturers. I have seen a Coast Guard report relating to failures on commercial catamarans in Hawaii that talk about 10 years. Finally I checked with our insurance agent. I figure if any entity has skin in the game (other than the boat owner/occupants) it would be the insurance industry. Our agent was quick to say that the insurance carriers are OK with standing rigging up to 20 years. Thereafter they will require detailed rigging inspections (not just looking up from the deck) every 2 to 5 years (depending on the insurer). This seems like a reasonable and reasoned way to address the aging rigging question and for me was comforting relative to the somewhat arbitrary nature of the shorter lifespan recommendations.

 

So. Here we are with an 18 year old boat that in Amel terms I would consider lightly used (probably less than 12 months total in the open ocean). We are looking at a $13K investment with Gaetan at Caraibe Marine, possibly later this month.. This is not quite a case of “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” but it does feel like, if a  thorough inspection does not identify any problems, why replace a perfectly good rig, especially one this robust.

 

Anyway, we are leaning towards doing it. There seems to be no way to evaluate investing $13K in the equation of risk v. peace of mind.

 

Thoughts welcome.

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240 Falmouth, Antigua

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 11:48 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Riggers In Trinidad and Martinique

 

 

I've been in the group a while but don't often access it..  I' finishing up a circumnavigation and planning to replace the rigging on my 1995 Super Maramu.  It looks great to me, but it is 22 years old.  I have three quotes from different riggers in different countries. The costs vary greatly for both labor and parts, but especially labor.  I have included a summary of the quotes below broken down by labor and parts.  All quotes are for 316 stainless steel and includes all turnbuckles and upper eye pieces..  My question to this forum is whether any of you have knowledge of Jason Romell in Trinidad.  I've had good reports on Gaetan of Caraibe Marine  in Martinique who is recommended by the local Amel office.   Romell is recommended by Peake Yachts in Trinidad where my boat is on the hard..  I include these details since it may help other owners thinking of re-rigging.  BTW, one owner not ed that he was told by Gaetan that he had never seen an Amel with a failed rig.  I provide the costs in Euros and US Dollars converted at a rate of 1.19 US dollars per Euro..  

 

 

Quote From  

          Euro              Labor

          Euro            Parts

        Euro          Total

    Dollars      Total

Trinidad - Jason Romell

1,513

6,607

8,119

$9662

Martinique - Caraibe Marine

3,429

8,106

11,535

$13,726

Seattle - Northwest Rigging

8,580

9,552

18,132

$21,577

Seattle Higher Than Trinidad By

150%

18%

57%

57%

Martinique Higher Than Trinidad By

127%

23%

42%

42%

NW Higher Than Trinidad By

467%

45%

123%

123%


I am trending toward the less expensive quote from Trinidad contingent on meeting Jason on Friday.  But I'm very tempted to go for the more expensive quote from Martinique given the recommendation form Amel.   Ken Powers had Aquarius rigged in Martinique last year and was quite happy.  

 

Any comments appreciated.  Happy New Year to all!

 

Bill Shaproski

S/V Pacific Cool

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] UPDATE *** Martinique. Boat on island about January 18

eric freedman
 

 

Hi All,

I will be in Martinique the evening of January 18 for a while,

Looks like the following boats will be there around that time,

Some owners will be on board and others will be away. In any event here seems to be the list

If you will be there around that time please add your name.

 

Jeff Krause 54 Spirit

Derek Gates 53 Brava

Miles Bidwell-not aboard 53 Lady Bug

Dan Carlson, BeBe, SM#387

Vladimir SM 345 "LIFE is Good"

Olaf MIA-AMARA,  Santorin  Ponton 5

James Cromie La Bella Vie (new owner) SM53

Alex Ramseyer, No Stress  AMEL54, 

Mike Ondra  Aletes SM#240

 

 

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Riggers In Trinidad and Martinique

eric freedman
 

I believe the exception for boats in transit is for 6 months and is not honored by all vendors. However Amel and their sub contractors do honor the exemption certificate. It cost me 450 euros.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 7:34 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Cc: Bill Shaproski​ S/V Pacific Cool
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Riggers In Trinidad and Martinique

 

 

Yes, check Douglas Yacht Services for VAT exemption.  I paid about 400 Eur and was VAT exempt for all boat purchases for one year.

 

John

 

On Jan 3, 2018 11:53 AM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

 

I confirmed your price with Gaetan in Martinique of 11,535 euro, but that includes 673 euro of Martinique VAT. The last time I was in Martinique there was a very simple process for non-EU registered boats to establish exemption from VAT. Hopefully this still exists and your price will be 10,862 euro.

 

According to Gaetan, the reason I had a different quote is the quote that I had did not include all of the parts. I had already replaced some of the rigging parts on BeBe and he did not include those parts.

 

Best,

 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  
http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

 

 

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 10:48 AM, pacificcool@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I've been in the group a while but don't often access it.  I' finishing up a circumnavigation and planning to replace the rigging on my 1995 Super Maramu.  It looks great to me, but it is 22 years old.  I have three quotes from different riggers in different countries. The costs vary greatly for both labor and parts, but especially labor.  I have included a summary of the quotes below broken down by labor and parts.  All quotes are for 316 stainless steel and includes all turnbuckles and upper eye pieces.  My question to this forum is whether any of you have knowledge of Jason Romell in Trinidad.  I've had good reports on Gaetan of Caraibe Marine  in Martinique who is recommended by the local Amel office.   Romell is recommended by Peake Yachts in Trinidad where my boat is on the hard.  I include these details since it may help other owners thinking of re-rigging.  BTW, one owner noted that he was told by Gaetan that he had never seen an Amel with a failed rig.  I provide the costs in Euros and US Dollars converted at a rate of 1.19 US dollars per Euro.  

 

 

Quote From  

          Euro              Labor

          Euro            Parts

        Euro          Total

    Dollars      Total

Trinidad - Jason Romell

1,513

6,607

8,119

$9662

Martinique - Caraibe Marine

3,429

8,106

11,535

$13,726

Seattle - Northwest Rigging

8,580

9,552

18,132

$21,577

Seattle Higher Than Trinidad By

150%

18%

57%

57%

Martinique Higher Than Trinidad By

127%

23%

42%

42%

NW Higher Than Trinidad By

467%

45%

123%

123%


I am trending toward the less expensive quote from Trinidad contingent on meeting Jason on Friday.  But I'm very tempted to go for the more expensive quote from Martinique given the recommendation form Amel.   Ken Powers had Aquarius rigged in Martinique last year and was quite happy.  

 

Any comments appreciated.  Happy New Year to all!

 

Bill Shaproski

S/V Pacific Cool

 


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Riggers In Trinidad and Martinique

eric freedman
 

Hi Ian and Linda ,

Is Jean Collin returning to Martinique one day soon?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 4:56 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Riggers In Trinidad and Martinique

 

 

I'm in Marin now and there is still the facility for tax exclusion (10%). It costs 450 euros, so you need to be spending more than 4,500 euros to be cost effective.
Look out for Patrick on S M 'Django Mayosa' , his wife deals with this and he also represents the Martinique Sailing Association. They speak excellent English.

We had a number of jobs done including new engine and C Drive mounts, new engine blowers and cleaning the heat exchanger, taking off the boom to remove the gearbox etc, replacing the tricolour and anchor light and some new standing rigging work. Total cost was €2700 which I was delighted with. The whole team were great. Jean Collin leaves for Amel Hyeres on Friday and Alban takes over here. I can't speak too highly of Didier the engine mechanic. He is exceptionally dedicated to his work and is only satisfied with perfection, but above all is the most charming man to have on your boat.

Apologies for the big spiel, but I believe like many others that supporting Amel is vital and they charge a fair price for excellent work.

Happy 2018 adventures to all

Ian and Linda

Ocean Hobo SN96 - Martinique

Haul out southern Sicily or Malta

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi everyone;


We need to haul out in May 2018 for our bottom paint, bow Thruster and C-drive  service. We also need to change out our batteries and possibly install an arch and solar. Looking for recommendation of yards and outfits that you have worked with and can recoomend in southern Sicily, Malta area. I have read most of the discussions on battery selection on the forum. Would appreciate recommended suppliers in the med or other areas that can ship to the med.


Thanks as always;



Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

Mike Ondra
 

Thank you all for your insights on rigging replacement. What a great resource are the people of this BB so willing to share their knowledge and help each other with often times complex decisions.

We are moving forward with the work with Gaetan later this month for future passages with reduced risk and increased peace of mind.

Fair winds,

Mike Ondra

SV Aletes SM#240

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 5:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

 

 

Mike the video you want is part 2… the part where they cut apart the existing rigging is at 22:00 (although all three parts are worth watching as it’s interesting how it was all done - I think I’d still get Gaetan to do it with the correct Amel bits for me though! :-). 

 

Thanks.. Brent

Future SM Owner


On Jan 3, 2018, 7:35 AM -0500, 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>, wrote:

 

Looking at the Delos video now. Looks like a 3 part video, maybe an hour watch. But have a couple of appointments now and will not be able to view until later today.

We are getting some more substantive data now.

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 7:04 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

 

 

Hmmm….

 

Have you seen that video? I believe their boat is newer than ours.

 

On Jan 3, 2018, at 6:01 AM, Brent Cameron brentcameron61@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

I’m a lurker here and love watching this forum for the very useful nuggets of information that leak out on a daily basis from the owners so don’t usually contribute but buried down in the original question on this topic was a statement: "BTW, one owner noted that he was told by Gaetan that he had never seen an Amel with a failed rig. “  

 

I can’t say whether or not this is actually true or not, but on a  passage from Bermuda to Antiqua this last November, there was an Amel (a Kirk I believe) that lost it’s rig in a series of squalls that two other Amel’s (Super Maramus - including the one I was crewimg  on) went through within radio distance of each other without drama.  The other Amel saw them and went over to lend some fuel so that they could make landfall as they were about 400 nautical miles from shore when it happened and weren’t sure they had enough to motor in.   I have left the names of the boats out in order to protect the privacy of the owners..   Also, there is a youtube episode of S/V Delos (another SM) on youtube where they re rigged her (they had the fittings professionally done in Thailand but did the installation themselves) and had cut one of the fittings apart  just as Eric mentioned with his sage advice - they found that it wasn’t far away from failing after being “inspected” bay a professional rigger.   I’d listen to Eric on this one…. (Back to lurking until I get my SM hopefully this fall).  

 

Brent Cameron,

Future SM Owner


On Jan 2, 2018, 10:44 PM -0500, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>, wrote:

 

 

Mike,

Rigging wire does not usually fail. The rigging usually fails at the fittings. Beside magna fluxing or x raying

You do not know what is going on inside the fitting.

 

Gaetan’s head rigger showed me a swage eye stud that he cut open with a band saw. It was on its last legs- the attached wire looked fine. He showed me a new swage that he had cut open from his rotary swaging machines. You could hardly see the strands of wire as the swage was so tight.

 

Kimberlite is in the open ocean 85 percent of the time, if not sitting in a hot marina with salt water down in the swages.  After 15 years , it was time for me to replace the rigging. I had previously mentioned that I replaced 3 pieces of wire and fittings at a very reputable St Maarten rigger due to the impending failure of the wire two fitting  and one fitting was cracked. That was 2 years ago.

However we have put a lot of miles on Kimberlite.

 

Rigging is like the line in dirty harry “how lucky do you feel?”

If you are just coastal cruising then I guess if the rig comes down and doesn’t kill anyone you will be fine.

However using an Amel for what it was built for , I would change the rig.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 3:06 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

 

 

Aletes SM#240 1999 is also facing the re-rigging decision. Various people and sources on internet search suggest wire rigging service life of 16, 12, or even 6 years. Most recommendations are by those with vested interest in replacements, ie. riggers and wire manufacturers. I have seen a Coast Guard report relating to failures on commercial catamarans in Hawaii that talk about 10 years. Finally I checked with our insurance agent. I figure if any entity has skin in the game (other than the boat owner/occupants) it would be the insurance industry. Our agent was quick to say that the insurance carriers are OK with standing rigging up to 20 years. Thereafter they will require detailed rigging inspections (not just looking up from the deck) every 2 to 5 years (depending on the insurer). This seems like a reasonable and reasoned way to address the aging rigging question and for me was comforting relative to the somewhat arbitrary nature of the shorter lifespan recommendations.

 

So. Here we are with an 18 year old boat that in Amel terms I would consider lightly used (probably less than 12 months total in the open ocean). We are looking at a $13K investment with Gaetan at Caraibe Marine, possibly later this month.. This is not quite a case of “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” but it does feel like, if a  thorough inspection does not identify any problems, why replace a perfectly good rig, especially one this robust.

 

Anyway, we are leaning towards doing it. There seems to be no way to evaluate investing $13K in the equation of risk v. peace of mind.

 

Thoughts welcome.

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240 Falmouth, Antigua

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 11:48 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Riggers In Trinidad and Martinique

 

 

I've been in the group a while but don't often access it..  I' finishing up a circumnavigation and planning to replace the rigging on my 1995 Super Maramu.  It looks great to me, but it is 22 years old.  I have three quotes from different riggers in different countries. The costs vary greatly for both labor and parts, but especially labor.  I have included a summary of the quotes below broken down by labor and parts.  All quotes are for 316 stainless steel and includes all turnbuckles and upper eye pieces..  My question to this forum is whether any of you have knowledge of Jason Romell in Trinidad.  I've had good reports on Gaetan of Caraibe Marine  in Martinique who is recommended by the local Amel office.   Romell is recommended by Peake Yachts in Trinidad where my boat is on the hard.  I include these details since it may help other owners thinking of re-rigging.  BTW, one owner not ed that he was told by Gaetan that he had never seen an Amel with a failed rig.  I provide the costs in Euros and US Dollars converted at a rate of 1.19 US dollars per Euro..  

 

 

Quote From  

          Euro              Labor

          Euro            Parts

        Euro          Total

    Dollars      Total

Trinidad - Jason Romell

1,513

6,607

8,119

$9662

Martinique - Caraibe Marine

3,429

8,106

11,535

$13,726

Seattle - Northwest Rigging

8,580

9,552

18,132

$21,577

Seattle Higher Than Trinidad By

150%

18%

57%

57%

Martinique Higher Than Trinidad By

127%

23%

42%

42%

NW Higher Than Trinidad By

467%

45%

123%

123%


I am trending toward the less expensive quote from Trinidad contingent on meeting Jason on Friday.  But I'm very tempted to go for the more expensive quote from Martinique given the recommendation form Amel.   Ken Powers had Aquarius rigged in Martinique last year and was quite happy.  

 

Any comments appreciated.  Happy New Year to all!

 

Bill Shaproski

S/V Pacific Cool

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Riggers In Trinidad and Martinique

John Clark
 

Yes, check Douglas Yacht Services for VAT exemption.  I paid about 400 Eur and was VAT exempt for all boat purchases for one year.

John

On Jan 3, 2018 11:53 AM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,

I confirmed your price with Gaetan in Martinique of 11,535 euro, but that includes 673 euro of Martinique VAT. The last time I was in Martinique there was a very simple process for non-EU registered boats to establish exemption from VAT. Hopefully this still exists and your price will be 10,862 euro.

According to Gaetan, the reason I had a different quote is the quote that I had did not include all of the parts. I had already replaced some of the rigging parts on BeBe and he did not include those parts.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550



On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 10:48 AM, pacificcool@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I've been in the group a while but don't often access it.  I' finishing up a circumnavigation and planning to replace the rigging on my 1995 Super Maramu.  It looks great to me, but it is 22 years old.  I have three quotes from different riggers in different countries. The costs vary greatly for both labor and parts, but especially labor.  I have included a summary of the quotes below broken down by labor and parts.  All quotes are for 316 stainless steel and includes all turnbuckles and upper eye pieces.  My question to this forum is whether any of you have knowledge of Jason Romell in Trinidad.  I've had good reports on Gaetan of Caraibe Marine  in Martinique who is recommended by the local Amel office.   Romell is recommended by Peake Yachts in Trinidad where my boat is on the hard.  I include these details since it may help other owners thinking of re-rigging.  BTW, one owner noted that he was told by Gaetan that he had never seen an Amel with a failed rig.  I provide the costs in Euros and US Dollars converted at a rate of 1.19 US dollars per Euro.  



Quote From             Euro              Labor           Euro            Parts         Euro          Total     Dollars      Total
Trinidad - Jason Romell 1,513 6,607 8,119 $9662
Martinique - Caraibe Marine 3,429 8,106 11,535 $13,726
Seattle - Northwest Rigging 8,580 9,552 18,132 $21,577
Seattle Higher Than Trinidad By 150% 18% 57% 57%
Martinique Higher Than Trinidad By 127% 23% 42% 42%
NW Higher Than Trinidad By 467% 45% 123% 123%

I am trending toward the less expensive quote from Trinidad contingent on meeting Jason on Friday.  But I'm very tempted to go for the more expensive quote from Martinique given the recommendation form Amel.   Ken Powers had Aquarius rigged in Martinique last year and was quite happy.  

Any comments appreciated.  Happy New Year to all!

Bill Shaproski
S/V Pacific Cool



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Inverter Replacement

greatketch@...
 

The Victron Multi we installed has no internal connection between the DC Negative and the AC safety ground, so it has no conflict with the Amel wiring.

I have been told that there are some battery chargers that do make this kind of connection, but I do not think they have a place on ANY boat--even one conventionally wired with a grounded DC negative.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Key West, Florida


---In amelyachtowners@..., <mcerdos@...> wrote :

Bill,

 

I would be interested to see how you installed this without compromising the integrity of the ground and bonding system. Please share.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Martinique

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 1:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Inverter Replacement

 

 

Ian,

 

We installed a Victron inverter/charger that we have been very happy with--so far.  No noticable electrical noise, low idle current draw.  They make a full line of chargers, inverters, solar controllers, and such.  Nothing onboard has complained about the quality of power.  It is pretty sophisticated, and the charger and inverter functions are highly configurable.

 

The are a Dutch company, so I assume they are widely available in the EU.  The 2KW inverter is about US$850 from their US outlets.



Will it last 20 years?  Come back and ask me in another 19...

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Key West, Florida

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

Brent Cameron
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Inverter Replacement

Mark Erdos
 

Bill,

 

I would be interested to see how you installed this without compromising the integrity of the ground and bonding system. Please share.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Martinique

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 1:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Inverter Replacement

 

 

Ian,

 

We installed a Victron inverter/charger that we have been very happy with--so far.  No noticable electrical noise, low idle current draw.  They make a full line of chargers, inverters, solar controllers, and such.  Nothing onboard has complained about the quality of power.  It is pretty sophisticated, and the charger and inverter functions are highly configurable.

 

The are a Dutch company, so I assume they are widely available in the EU.  The 2KW inverter is about US$850 from their US outlets.



Will it last 20 years?  Come back and ask me in another 19...

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Key West, Florida

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Crusader is fitted with a Cristec 1600VA 50Hz inverter which has just
failed. Having taken it out and examined it briefly, it would seem that
there is damage to one of the relays and evidence of burnt tracks on one
of the PCB's. Cristec will repair the unit by replacing both the PCB's
but to do so will cost around €1050 including shipping. The 1600VA model
is no longer available. A 2000VA model costs €1528 plus VAT at 20%.

I shall probably send it back for repair, but before doing so I am
wondering if there are any recommendations for a good cheaper
alternative? You can get a 2KW inverter for less than $400 on eBay, but
I would expect that they might be electrically very noisy and the sine
wave not so 'pure' as is claimed, which could cause equipment damage.

Does anyone recommend a cheaper alternative that will not cause
interference to laptops, SSB, Navtex etc?

With thanks

Ian Shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader Larnaca Cyprus

Re: Riggers In Trinidad and Martinique

Ian Park
 

I'm in Marin now and there is still the facility for tax exclusion (10%). It costs 450 euros, so you need to be spending more than 4,500 euros to be cost effective.
Look out for Patrick on S M 'Django Mayosa' , his wife deals with this and he also represents the Martinique Sailing Association. They speak excellent English.

We had a number of jobs done including new engine and C Drive mounts, new engine blowers and cleaning the heat exchanger, taking off the boom to remove the gearbox etc, replacing the tricolour and anchor light and some new standing rigging work. Total cost was €2700 which I was delighted with. The whole team were great. Jean Collin leaves for Amel Hyeres on Friday and Alban takes over here. I can't speak too highly of Didier the engine mechanic. He is exceptionally dedicated to his work and is only satisfied with perfection, but above all is the most charming man to have on your boat.

Apologies for the big spiel, but I believe like many others that supporting Amel is vital and they charge a fair price for excellent work.

Happy 2018 adventures to all

Ian and Linda

Ocean Hobo SN96 - Martinique