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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: solar Arch

Marcel Krauth <marcel.krauth@...>
 


Sorry I think I forgot to join the picture

On 04/01/2018 14:22, arno.luijten@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 

Hi Marcel,

Is it only me or did you forget to attach the picture? Where did you get the arch form?

Regards,

Arno



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haul out southern Sicily or Malta

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I would choose Manoel Island Boatyard, Malta over di Ragusa, and did in 2013. Larger assortment of parts/material, more experience, and less price. 


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Jan 4, 2018 00:35, "mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi everyone;


We need to haul out in May 2018 for our bottom paint, bow Thruster and C-drive  service. We also need to change out our batteries and possibly install an arch and solar. Looking for recommendation of yards and outfits that you have worked with and can recoomend in southern Sicily, Malta area. I have read most of the discussions on battery selection on the forum. Would appreciate recommended suppliers in the med or other areas that can ship to the med.


Thanks as always;



Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099







VAT in Martinique

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

As I remember my last trip to Martinique, at least some, maybe all, of the venders removed VAT when I gave them a copy of my US documentation. I remember specifically this happened when I bought a new dinghy at Caribe?.

I asked Gaetan (Martinique Rigger) about this. He says, "Yes it's correct, all the Boats from USA get the VAT out of the final quotation." Maybe some vendors are allowed/licensed to do this without you purchasing a permit.

I would love to hear from one of you that's there now.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


UPDATE *** Martinique. Boat on island about January 18

eric freedman
 

 Hi All,

I will be in Martinique the evening of January 18 for a while,

Looks like the following boats will be there around that time,

Some owners will be on board and others will be away. In any event here seems to be the list

If you will be there around that time please add your name.

 

Jeff Krause 54 Spirit

Derek Gates 53 Brava

Miles Bidwell-not aboard 53 Lady Bug

Dan Carlson, BeBe, SM#387

Vladimir SM 345 "LIFE is Good"

Olaf MIA-AMARA,  Santorin  Ponton 5

James Cromie La Bella Vie (new owner) SM53

Alex Ramseyer, No Stress  AMEL54, 

Mike Ondra Aletes SM#240

Tom Peacock  SM #240 Aletes

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Looking for a Super Maramu 2000

eric freedman
 

Hi,

There is a fellow in Guadeloupe called JP. If you contact the Guadeloupe marina concierge she knows him. He knows many Super Maramus for sale. There is also Joel Potter he  I am sure can find you a boat.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 8:58 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Looking for a Super Maramu 2000

 

 

Hello AMELians,

 

I want to upgrade my AMEL from a Santorin to a Super Maramu 2000 ;-) So, I'm looking to buy a Super Maramu 2000.

 

Does anyone know a SM2000 in good conditions which is on the market or will be soon on the market? I already searched on yachtworld.

 

I'm currently in the Caribbean. But I'm willing to travel to Europe.

 

Pls send a PM to olaf.bauer@....

 

Fair winds

Olaf

 

MIA-AMARA, SN No. 135, Martinique

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] UPDATE *** Martinique. Boat on island about January 18

Thomas Peacock
 

We are planning on arriving in Le Marin by evening of 15 JAN. Probably spending a week, Gaetan will be re-rigging. Look forward meeting all. One advantage of being on a little bit of France is the bubbly is very affordable.

Some confusion, Mike Ondra and I co-own Aletes, we both are still working at real jobs (well, sort of).

Tom Peacock
SM #240 Aletes
Falmouth Harbour, Antigua

On Jan 4, 2018, at 2:57 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


  

Hi All,

I will be in Martinique the evening of January 18 for a while,

Looks like the following boats will be there around that time,

Some owners will be on board and others will be away. In any event here seems to be the list

If you will be there around that time please add your name.

 

Jeff Krause 54 Spirit

Derek Gates 53 Brava

Miles Bidwell-not aboard 53 Lady Bug

Dan Carlson, BeBe, SM#387

Vladimir SM 345 "LIFE is Good" 

Olaf MIA-AMARA,  Santorin  Ponton 5

James Cromie La Bella Vie (new owner) SM53

Alex Ramseyer, No Stress  AMEL54, 

Mike Ondra  Aletes SM#240

 

 

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 




Looking for a Super Maramu 2000

olaf_renos@...
 

Hello AMELians,

 

I want to upgrade my AMEL from a Santorin to a Super Maramu 2000 ;-) So, I'm looking to buy a Super Maramu 2000.

 

Does anyone know a SM2000 in good conditions which is on the market or will be soon on the market? I already searched on yachtworld.

 

I'm currently in the Caribbean. But I'm willing to travel to Europe.

 

Pls send a PM to olaf.bauer@....

 

Fair winds

Olaf

 

MIA-AMARA, SN No. 135, Martinique



Re: solar Arch

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Marcel,

Is it only me or did you forget to attach the picture? Where did you get the arch form?

Regards,

Arno


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RE: UPDATE *** Martinique. Boat on island about January 18

Leopold Hauer
 



Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 04.01.2018 um 08:02 schrieb 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

 

 

 Hello, 

How nice! We (Yin Yang ) are here at least until end of the month, on 594, Callisto will arrive on the 17th.
We will have a great time!
Margaret and Leo

Hi All,

I will be in Martinique the evening of January 18 for a while,

Looks like the following boats will be there around that time,

Some owners will be on board and others will be away. In any event here seems to be the list

If you will be there around that time please add your name.

 

Jeff Krause 54 Spirit

Derek Gates 53 Brava

Miles Bidwell-not aboard 53 Lady Bug

Dan Carlson, BeBe, SM#387

Vladimir SM 345 "LIFE is Good"

Olaf MIA-AMARA,  Santorin  Ponton 5

James Cromie La Bella Vie (new owner) SM53

Alex Ramseyer, No Stress  AMEL54, 

Mike Ondra Aletes SM#240

Leo Hauer, SM 69  Yin Yang

 

 

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] UPDATE *** Martinique. Boat on island about January 18

James Cromie
 

Hi everyone. My wife and daughters and I will be on La Bella Vita in Le Marin 1/9-1/16. Hope to see some of you. 

James


On Jan 4, 2018, at 7:28 AM, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,


Carango will be in Marin next week - is anyone there.

Also Doug? And Carly? Of BeBe very kindly helped me dock Carango yesterday in Marigot Bay - in the scramble of events, I failed to thank them. So THANK YOU BeBe very much. I hope we see you in the next few days?

Peter
Carango Amel 54 #035
Capella Marigot Bay

Peter Forbes
00447836 209730

On 4 Jan 2018, at 05:23, Giovanni Testa gtesta23@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,
I ll be at Marin , fingers crossing, from 5 March.
EUTIKIA SM n 428
Giovanni & Marina TESTA


Il 04/01/2018 08:57, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] ha scritto:
 

 

Hi All,

I will be in Martinique the evening of January 18 for a while,

Looks like the following boats will be there around that time,

Some owners will be on board and others will be away. In any event here seems to be the list

If you will be there around that time please add your name.

 

Jeff Krause 54 Spirit

Derek Gates 53 Brava

Miles Bidwell-not aboard 53 Lady Bug

Dan Carlson, BeBe, SM#387

Vladimir SM 345 "LIFE is Good"

Olaf MIA-AMARA,  Santorin  Ponton 5

James Cromie La Bella Vie (new owner) SM53

Alex Ramseyer, No Stress  AMEL54, 

Mike Ondra  Aletes SM#240

 

 

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] UPDATE *** Martinique. Boat on island about January 18

Peter Forbes
 

Hi all,

Carango will be in Marin next week - is anyone there.

Also Doug? And Carly? Of BeBe very kindly helped me dock Carango yesterday in Marigot Bay - in the scramble of events, I failed to thank them. So THANK YOU BeBe very much. I hope we see you in the next few days?

Peter
Carango Amel 54 #035
Capella Marigot Bay

Peter Forbes
00447836 209730

On 4 Jan 2018, at 05:23, Giovanni Testa gtesta23@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,
I ll be at Marin , fingers crossing, from 5 March.
EUTIKIA SM n 428
Giovanni & Marina TESTA


Il 04/01/2018 08:57, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] ha scritto:
 

 

Hi All,

I will be in Martinique the evening of January 18 for a while,

Looks like the following boats will be there around that time,

Some owners will be on board and others will be away. In any event here seems to be the list

If you will be there around that time please add your name.

 

Jeff Krause 54 Spirit

Derek Gates 53 Brava

Miles Bidwell-not aboard 53 Lady Bug

Dan Carlson, BeBe, SM#387

Vladimir SM 345 "LIFE is Good"

Olaf MIA-AMARA,  Santorin  Ponton 5

James Cromie La Bella Vie (new owner) SM53

Alex Ramseyer, No Stress  AMEL54, 

Mike Ondra  Aletes SM#240

 

 

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 



solar Arch

Marcel Krauth <marcel.krauth@...>
 

Hi everyone

This is my solar Arch on Amel 54 171 with 440w solar panel an victron mmpt regulation

Kind regards

Marcel Krauth

Ganesha 54 nr 171 in Preveza Greece at the moment


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haul out southern Sicily or Malta

Marcel Krauth <marcel.krauth@...>
 

Hi everyone,

I changed my battery last year with a same size battery from Germany 120 ah ins ted of 110 with the old Freedom
They are perfec and the name of the Battery is Perfecta see picture join
I have also a solar Arch from Turkey with 440 w solar panel and Victron regulation with info on my phone

Marcel Krauth
Ganesha S/Y 54 nr 171


On 04/01/2018 07:34, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 

Hi everyone;


We need to haul out in May 2018 for our bottom paint, bow Thruster and C-drive  service. We also need to change out our batteries and possibly install an arch and solar. Looking for recommendation of yards and outfits that you have worked with and can recoomend in southern Sicily, Malta area. I have read most of the discussions on battery selection on the forum. Would appreciate recommended suppliers in the med or other areas that can ship to the med.


Thanks as always;



Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haul out southern Sicily or Malta

Barry Connor
 

Sorry Mohammad my phone spelt your name wrong.
Barry


On Jan 4, 2018, at 7:34 AM, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi everyone;


We need to haul out in May 2018 for our bottom paint, bow Thruster and C-drive  service. We also need to change out our batteries and possibly install an arch and solar. Looking for recommendation of yards and outfits that you have worked with and can recoomend in southern Sicily, Malta area. I have read most of the discussions on battery selection on the forum. Would appreciate recommended suppliers in the med or other areas that can ship to the med.


Thanks as always;



Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haul out southern Sicily or Malta

Barry Connor
 

Hi Mohamed,
We just did our bottom with copper coat in Monastir Tunisia. They have now done two 54’s there that I am aware of. 28 days on the hard, we stayed on the boat and I supervised totally. Copper Coat supplied from UK, they said 21 liters I bought 25 liters and could have used 26 liters, put 6 continuous costs on painting a side a day. The prep took up most of the time. Didn’t do any mechanicals in Monastir, had all that done in Marseille and Hyeres previous year, parts supplied from AMEL. We changed the complete battery bank and starter (13 total)in Nov 2016. Got them from Battery MegaStore online in UK and France, they are doing fine expect them to last a few years. Cost about €90 each, got them with free terminal lugs to connect straight onto the boat cables.
The sail to Monastir was comfortable 3 days 2 nights each way catching 3 tuna in total. All the prices we got in Sicily were too much and I was not allowed to supervise. Monastir will haul you out and paint in 3 days max using your own paint or their supplied paint which I would not trust. I am not on my boat until later this month but if you want all the prices and details I will look for them.
It was hard work and when I left I said I would not go back but now after a few months of thought I would use them again.  I didn’t get cheated but had to watch everything. We also took a new roll 15 meters of alcantara from Italy and got the local Monastir Marina do complete saloon reupholstered for €500. Perfect professional job. Got other jobs done also, sails hull and top sides polished, stainless cleaned. We are still putting together a video.

Best Regards
Barry and Penny
“Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Marina di Ragusa. Sicily



On Jan 4, 2018, at 7:34 AM, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi everyone;


We need to haul out in May 2018 for our bottom paint, bow Thruster and C-drive  service. We also need to change out our batteries and possibly install an arch and solar. Looking for recommendation of yards and outfits that you have worked with and can recoomend in southern Sicily, Malta area. I have read most of the discussions on battery selection on the forum. Would appreciate recommended suppliers in the med or other areas that can ship to the med.


Thanks as always;



Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] UPDATE *** Martinique. Boat on island about January 18

Giovanni TESTA
 

Hi all,
I ll be at Marin , fingers crossing, from 5 March.
EUTIKIA SM n 428
Giovanni & Marina TESTA


Il 04/01/2018 08:57, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] ha scritto:
 

 

Hi All,

I will be in Martinique the evening of January 18 for a while,

Looks like the following boats will be there around that time,

Some owners will be on board and others will be away. In any event here seems to be the list

If you will be there around that time please add your name.

 

Jeff Krause 54 Spirit

Derek Gates 53 Brava

Miles Bidwell-not aboard 53 Lady Bug

Dan Carlson, BeBe, SM#387

Vladimir SM 345 "LIFE is Good"

Olaf MIA-AMARA,  Santorin  Ponton 5

James Cromie La Bella Vie (new owner) SM53

Alex Ramseyer, No Stress  AMEL54, 

Mike Ondra  Aletes SM#240

 

 

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

eric freedman
 

Mike,

It would be a good time to have your Genoa Furler rebuilt as it has to come off to re-rig.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 2:58 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

 

 

Hi Mike,

When do you plan on arriving in Martinique.?

Did you make an appointment with Gaetan?

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 8:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

 

 

Thank you all for your insights on rigging replacement. What a great resource are the people of this BB so willing to share their knowledge and help each other with often times complex decisions.

We are moving forward with the work with Gaetan later this month for future passages with reduced risk and increased peace of mind.

Fair winds,

Mike Ondra

SV Aletes SM#240

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 5:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

 

 

Mike the video you want is part 2… the part where they cut apart the existing rigging is at 22:00 (although all three parts are worth watching as it’s interesting how it was all done - I think I’d still get Gaetan to do it with the correct Amel bits for me though! :-). 

 

Thanks.. Brent

Future SM Owner


On Jan 3, 2018, 7:35 AM -0500, 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>, wrote:



 

Looking at the Delos video now. Looks like a 3 part video, maybe an hour watch. But have a couple of appointments now and will not be able to view until later today.

We are getting some more substantive data now.

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 7:04 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

 

 

Hmmm….

 

Have you seen that video? I believe their boat is newer than ours..

 

On Jan 3, 2018, at 6:01 AM, Brent Cameron brentcameron61@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

I’m a lurker here and love watching this forum for the very useful nuggets of information that leak out on a daily basis from the owners so don’t usually contribute but buried down in the original question on this topic was a statement: "BTW, one owner noted that he was told by Gaetan that he had never seen an Amel with a failed rig. “  

 

I can’t say whether or not this is actually true or not, but on a  passage from Bermuda to Antiqua this last November, there was an Amel (a Kirk I believe) that lost it’s rig in a series of squalls that two other Amel’s (Super Maramus - including the one I was crewimg  on) went through within radio distance of each other without drama.  The other Amel saw them and went over to lend some fuel so that they could make landfall as they were about 400 nautical miles from shore when it happened and weren’t sure they had enough to motor in.   I have left the names of the boats out in order to protect the privacy of the owners..   Also, there is a youtube episode of S/V Delos (another SM) on youtube where they re rigged her (they had the fittings professionally done in Thailand but did the installation themselves) and had cut one of the fittings apart  just as Eric mentioned with his sage advice - they found that it wasn’t far away from failing after being “inspected” bay a professional rigger.   I’d listen to Eric on this one…. (Back to lurking until I get my SM hopefully this fall).  

 

Brent Cameron,

Future SM Owner


On Jan 2, 2018, 10:44 PM -0500, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>, wrote:

 

 

Mike,

Rigging wire does not usually fail. The rigging usually fails at the fittings. Beside magna fluxing or x raying

You do not know what is going on inside the fitting.

 

Gaetan’s head rigger showed me a swage eye stud that he cut open with a band saw. It was on its last legs- the attached wire looked fine. He showed me a new swage that he had cut open from his rotary swaging machines. You could hardly see the strands of wire as the swage was so tight.

 

Kimberlite is in the open ocean 85 percent of the time, if not sitting in a hot marina with salt water down in the swages.  After 15 years , it was time for me to replace the rigging. I had previously mentioned that I replaced 3 pieces of wire and fittings at a very reputable St Maarten rigger due to the impending failure of the wire two fitting  and one fitting was cracked. That was 2 years ago.

However we have put a lot of miles on Kimberlite.

 

Rigging is like the line in dirty harry “how lucky do you feel?”

If you are just coastal cruising then I guess if the rig comes down and doesn’t kill anyone you will be fine.

However using an Amel for what it was built for , I would change the rig.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 3:06 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

 

 

Aletes SM#240 1999 is also facing the re-rigging decision. Various people and sources on internet search suggest wire rigging service life of 16, 12, or even 6 years. Most recommendations are by those with vested interest in replacements, ie.. riggers and wire manufacturers. I have seen a Coast Guard report relating to failures on commercial catamarans in Hawaii that talk about 10 years. Finally I checked with our insurance agent. I figure if any entity has skin in the game (other than the boat owner/occupants) it would be the insurance industry. Our agent was quick to say that the insurance carriers are OK with standing rigging up to 20 years. Thereafter they will require detailed rigging inspections (not just looking up from the deck) every 2 to 5 years (depending on the insurer). This seems like a reasonable and reasoned way to address the aging rigging question and for me was comforting relative to the somewhat arbitrary nature of the shorter lifespan recommendations..

 

So. Here we are with an 18 year old boat that in Amel terms I would consider lightly used (probably less than 12 months total in the open ocean). We are looking at a $13K investment with Gaetan at Caraibe Marine, possibly later this month.. This is not quite a case of “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” but it does feel like, if a  thorough inspection does not identify any problems, why replace a perfectly good rig, especially one this robust.

 

Anyway, we are leaning towards doing it. There seems to be no way to evaluate investing $13K in the equation of risk v. peace of mind.

 

Thoughts welcome.

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240 Falmouth, Antigua

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 11:48 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Riggers In Trinidad and Martinique

 

 

I've been in the group a while but don't often access it..  I' finishing up a circumnavigation and planning to replace the rigging on my 1995 Super Maramu.  It looks great to me, but it is 22 years old.  I have three quotes from different riggers in different countries. The costs vary greatly for both labor and parts, but especially labor.  I have included a summary of the quotes below broken down by labor and parts.  All quotes are for 316 stainless steel and includes all turnbuckles and upper eye pieces..  My question to this forum is whether any of you have knowledge of Jason Romell in Trinidad.  I've had good reports on Gaetan of Caraibe Marine  in Martinique who is recommended by the local Amel office.   Romell is recommended by Peake Yachts in Trinidad where my boat is on the hard..  I include these details since it may help other owners thinking of re-rigging.  BTW, one owner not ed that he was told by Gaetan that he had never seen an Amel with a failed rig.  I provide the costs in Euros and US Dollars converted at a rate of 1.19 US dollars per Euro..  

 

 

Quote From  

          Euro              Labor

          Euro            Parts

        Euro          Total

    Dollars      Total

Trinidad - Jason Romell

1,513

6,607

8,119

$9662

Martinique - Caraibe Marine

3,429

8,106

11,535

$13,726

Seattle - Northwest Rigging

8,580

9,552

18,132

$21,577

Seattle Higher Than Trinidad By

150%

18%

57%

57%

Martinique Higher Than Trinidad By

127%

23%

42%

42%

NW Higher Than Trinidad By

467%

45%

123%

123%


I am trending toward the less expensive quote from Trinidad contingent on meeting Jason on Friday.  But I'm very tempted to go for the more expensive quote from Martinique given the recommendation form Amel.   Ken Powers had Aquarius rigged in Martinique last year and was quite happy.  

 

Any comments appreciated.  Happy New Year to all!

 

Bill Shaproski

S/V Pacific Cool

 

 

 

 

 


Re: UPDATE *** Martinique. Boat on island about January 18

eric freedman
 

 

 

 

Hi All,

I will be in Martinique the evening of January 18 for a while,

Looks like the following boats will be there around that time,

Some owners will be on board and others will be away. In any event here seems to be the list

If you will be there around that time please add your name.

 

Jeff Krause 54 Spirit

Derek Gates 53 Brava

Miles Bidwell-not aboard 53 Lady Bug

Dan Carlson, BeBe, SM#387

Vladimir SM 345 "LIFE is Good"

Olaf MIA-AMARA,  Santorin  Ponton 5

James Cromie La Bella Vie (new owner) SM53

Alex Ramseyer, No Stress  AMEL54, 

Mike Ondra Aletes SM#240

 

 

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 


UPDATE *** Martinique. Boat on island about January 18

eric freedman
 

 

 

 

Hi All,

I will be in Martinique the evening of January 18 for a while,

Looks like the following boats will be there around that time,

Some owners will be on board and others will be away. In any event here seems to be the list

If you will be there around that time please add your name.

 

Jeff Krause 54 Spirit

Derek Gates 53 Brava

Miles Bidwell-not aboard 53 Lady Bug

Dan Carlson, BeBe, SM#387

Vladimir SM 345 "LIFE is Good"

Olaf MIA-AMARA,  Santorin  Ponton 5

James Cromie La Bella Vie (new owner) SM53

Alex Ramseyer, No Stress  AMEL54, 

Mike Ondra Aletes SM#240

 

 

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

eric freedman
 

Hi Mike,

When do you plan on arriving in Martinique.?

Did you make an appointment with Gaetan?

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 8:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

 

 

Thank you all for your insights on rigging replacement. What a great resource are the people of this BB so willing to share their knowledge and help each other with often times complex decisions.

We are moving forward with the work with Gaetan later this month for future passages with reduced risk and increased peace of mind.

Fair winds,

Mike Ondra

SV Aletes SM#240

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 5:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

 

 

Mike the video you want is part 2… the part where they cut apart the existing rigging is at 22:00 (although all three parts are worth watching as it’s interesting how it was all done - I think I’d still get Gaetan to do it with the correct Amel bits for me though! :-). 

 

Thanks.. Brent

Future SM Owner


On Jan 3, 2018, 7:35 AM -0500, 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>, wrote:


 

Looking at the Delos video now. Looks like a 3 part video, maybe an hour watch. But have a couple of appointments now and will not be able to view until later today.

We are getting some more substantive data now.

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 7:04 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

 

 

Hmmm….

 

Have you seen that video? I believe their boat is newer than ours.

 

On Jan 3, 2018, at 6:01 AM, Brent Cameron brentcameron61@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

I’m a lurker here and love watching this forum for the very useful nuggets of information that leak out on a daily basis from the owners so don’t usually contribute but buried down in the original question on this topic was a statement: "BTW, one owner noted that he was told by Gaetan that he had never seen an Amel with a failed rig. “  

 

I can’t say whether or not this is actually true or not, but on a  passage from Bermuda to Antiqua this last November, there was an Amel (a Kirk I believe) that lost it’s rig in a series of squalls that two other Amel’s (Super Maramus - including the one I was crewimg  on) went through within radio distance of each other without drama.  The other Amel saw them and went over to lend some fuel so that they could make landfall as they were about 400 nautical miles from shore when it happened and weren’t sure they had enough to motor in.   I have left the names of the boats out in order to protect the privacy of the owners..   Also, there is a youtube episode of S/V Delos (another SM) on youtube where they re rigged her (they had the fittings professionally done in Thailand but did the installation themselves) and had cut one of the fittings apart  just as Eric mentioned with his sage advice - they found that it wasn’t far away from failing after being “inspected” bay a professional rigger.   I’d listen to Eric on this one…. (Back to lurking until I get my SM hopefully this fall).  

 

Brent Cameron,

Future SM Owner


On Jan 2, 2018, 10:44 PM -0500, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>, wrote:

 

 

Mike,

Rigging wire does not usually fail. The rigging usually fails at the fittings. Beside magna fluxing or x raying

You do not know what is going on inside the fitting.

 

Gaetan’s head rigger showed me a swage eye stud that he cut open with a band saw. It was on its last legs- the attached wire looked fine. He showed me a new swage that he had cut open from his rotary swaging machines. You could hardly see the strands of wire as the swage was so tight.

 

Kimberlite is in the open ocean 85 percent of the time, if not sitting in a hot marina with salt water down in the swages.  After 15 years , it was time for me to replace the rigging. I had previously mentioned that I replaced 3 pieces of wire and fittings at a very reputable St Maarten rigger due to the impending failure of the wire two fitting  and one fitting was cracked. That was 2 years ago.

However we have put a lot of miles on Kimberlite.

 

Rigging is like the line in dirty harry “how lucky do you feel?”

If you are just coastal cruising then I guess if the rig comes down and doesn’t kill anyone you will be fine.

However using an Amel for what it was built for , I would change the rig.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 3:06 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing standing rigging

 

 

Aletes SM#240 1999 is also facing the re-rigging decision. Various people and sources on internet search suggest wire rigging service life of 16, 12, or even 6 years. Most recommendations are by those with vested interest in replacements, ie.. riggers and wire manufacturers. I have seen a Coast Guard report relating to failures on commercial catamarans in Hawaii that talk about 10 years. Finally I checked with our insurance agent. I figure if any entity has skin in the game (other than the boat owner/occupants) it would be the insurance industry. Our agent was quick to say that the insurance carriers are OK with standing rigging up to 20 years. Thereafter they will require detailed rigging inspections (not just looking up from the deck) every 2 to 5 years (depending on the insurer). This seems like a reasonable and reasoned way to address the aging rigging question and for me was comforting relative to the somewhat arbitrary nature of the shorter lifespan recommendations.

 

So. Here we are with an 18 year old boat that in Amel terms I would consider lightly used (probably less than 12 months total in the open ocean). We are looking at a $13K investment with Gaetan at Caraibe Marine, possibly later this month.. This is not quite a case of “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” but it does feel like, if a  thorough inspection does not identify any problems, why replace a perfectly good rig, especially one this robust.

 

Anyway, we are leaning towards doing it. There seems to be no way to evaluate investing $13K in the equation of risk v. peace of mind.

 

Thoughts welcome.

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240 Falmouth, Antigua

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2018 11:48 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Riggers In Trinidad and Martinique

 

 

I've been in the group a while but don't often access it..  I' finishing up a circumnavigation and planning to replace the rigging on my 1995 Super Maramu.  It looks great to me, but it is 22 years old.  I have three quotes from different riggers in different countries. The costs vary greatly for both labor and parts, but especially labor.  I have included a summary of the quotes below broken down by labor and parts.  All quotes are for 316 stainless steel and includes all turnbuckles and upper eye pieces..  My question to this forum is whether any of you have knowledge of Jason Romell in Trinidad.  I've had good reports on Gaetan of Caraibe Marine  in Martinique who is recommended by the local Amel office.   Romell is recommended by Peake Yachts in Trinidad where my boat is on the hard..  I include these details since it may help other owners thinking of re-rigging.  BTW, one owner not ed that he was told by Gaetan that he had never seen an Amel with a failed rig.  I provide the costs in Euros and US Dollars converted at a rate of 1.19 US dollars per Euro..  

 

 

Quote From  

          Euro              Labor

          Euro            Parts

        Euro          Total

    Dollars      Total

Trinidad - Jason Romell

1,513

6,607

8,119

$9662

Martinique - Caraibe Marine

3,429

8,106

11,535

$13,726

Seattle - Northwest Rigging

8,580

9,552

18,132

$21,577

Seattle Higher Than Trinidad By

150%

18%

57%

57%

Martinique Higher Than Trinidad By

127%

23%

42%

42%

NW Higher Than Trinidad By

467%

45%

123%

123%


I am trending toward the less expensive quote from Trinidad contingent on meeting Jason on Friday.  But I'm very tempted to go for the more expensive quote from Martinique given the recommendation form Amel.   Ken Powers had Aquarius rigged in Martinique last year and was quite happy.  

 

Any comments appreciated.  Happy New Year to all!

 

Bill Shaproski

S/V Pacific Cool

 

 

 

 

 

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