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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Inverter Replacement

greatketch@...
 


Colin,

Your email didn't survive encoding by Yahoo, so I'll answer here...

I installed the Multiplus in the engine room, using the existing cables from the old charger that it replaced, although I did add an appropriately sized fuse. The Multiplus case ground is connected to the safety ground of the 220V system.  There is no connection between the DC negative and the case of the unit.

The AC system on Harmonie is a good deal more complex than on most SMs. Its current schematic can be seen here: 

The original owners apparently insisted that AMEL install a fully functional 110V system in parallel with the 220V system. So Harmonie has 110V outlets in every cabin, two shore power cables, one for 110, and one for 220, a 110V --> 220V transformer, a 110V inverter/charger, and a 220V inverter/charger, and an additional 50 amp 220V battery charger.  We never use the 110 charger since we added the Victron, it does all the heavy lifting.

A bit of a jumble, but everybody plays happy with only minimal manual intervention, and when plugged into 110 shore power, I am comfortable that I get safe and effective 220V power AND 110V.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
North Bimini, Bahamas

---In amelyachtowners@..., <colin.d.streeter@...> wrote :

Hi Bill

On Island Pearl II we installed the sister unit to yours, ie. a Victron MultiPlus 24v/3000w/70amp inverter/charger and we are extremely happy with it. Our two Dophin 30 and 50 chargers are still working fine, but only there for back up now as the Victron is so much faster and efficient.

Rather than bore everyone here perhaps on this specific question, perhaps you could email me directly on colin.cruisingpoint@.... I am particularly keen to know how you connected your system up?. In my case I placed this unit on the RHS of the navstation so that it is right up close to the batteries with good oversized cable going directly through the battery cavity wall (appropriately sealed off of course) , and the shore power now comes in directly to this unit, through it, and then into the normal AC system control panel.

I am particularly interested to know if/where you ran the ground cable which attached onto the outside shell/steel case of the unit? 

Best regards

Colin
Amel53 #332, PHUKET
Phuket for now... soon to cross the northern Indian Ocean to Maldives.
 


Re: Inverter Replacement

Duane Siegfri
 

Here's another experience with the Xantrex:  

My original Xantrex 1800 was installed (by a professional electrician) in Dec of 2016.

It failed in July of 2017 and was replaced by the manufacturer, after only 6 months in service.

The replacement failed again today, after only 5 months of service.  During that 5 months, it has only been used to run the microwave several times per week.  Otherwise it is switched off.

I would not recommend this manufacturer for anything but the junk pile.

At this point I'm thinking about putting in a different brand altogether, even though the warranty has another 11 months.  

The error code was "System Shutdown" which relates to "Overload or system hardware fault".  There were no loads connected when I switched it on.  In addition, it is only connected to the 220V breakers for "Outlets" and "Microwave", so I don't know how there could have been an overload.  The input voltage was 

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Seafood party in Martinique

Mark Erdos
 

It’s a really long way for us to go. But, we think you are worth it. See you here.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark and Cindy

 

 

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Martinique

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 11:50 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Seafood party in Martinique

 

 

Good Morning Amelians,

I'll be back in Le Merin late 1/9.

As long as they don't confiscate my oysters and scallops passing thru customs, I hope to arrange to have our get together when I get back.

I'll post details.

Spirit is at the end of the dock in the last slip. Feel free to stop by and say hi.

Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14

 

  


Wireless wind instrument

JEFFREY KRAUS
 

Good Morning Amelians,

I've had consistent problems with my B&G wind instruments. Processor problems, mast head unit problems (bad bearing, computer board-in the masthead, twice), which has put me in a situation where I've been without proper readings, and in some cases with no readings at all while offshore.

While I'm currently getting the latest mastheat problems repaired, I'm considering getting a wireless unit installed as a backup. I'd prefer not to get a backup wired system installed at this point.

Has anyone installed a wireless one, and if so, which one, and what are your experiences been with it?

I've done a bit of research. 

Raymarine makes one, and the reviews I've read are awful.

Clipper makes one, which may be somewhat flimsy, but the reviews have been good.

I don't mind ponying up for something of good quality, but it seems choices are limited.

Any feedback is appreciated.

Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14





Seafood party in Martinique

JEFFREY KRAUS
 

Good Morning Amelians,

I'll be back in Le Merin late 1/9.

As long as they don't confiscate my oysters and scallops passing thru customs, I hope to arrange to have our get together when I get back.

I'll post details.

Spirit is at the end of the dock in the last slip. Feel free to stop by and say hi.

Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14


  


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Inverter Replacement

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Bill

On Island Pearl II we installed the sister unit to yours, ie. a Victron MultiPlus 24v/3000w/70amp inverter/charger and we are extremely happy with it. Our two Dophin 30 and 50 chargers are still working fine, but only there for back up now as the Victron is so much faster and efficient.

Rather than bore everyone here perhaps on this specific question, perhaps you could email me directly on colin.cruisingpoint@.... I am particularly keen to know how you connected your system up?. In my case I placed this unit on the RHS of the navstation so that it is right up close to the batteries with good oversized cable going directly through the battery cavity wall (appropriately sealed off of course) , and the shore power now comes in directly to this unit, through it, and then into the normal AC system control panel.

I am particularly interested to know if/where you ran the ground cable which attached onto the outside shell/steel case of the unit? 

Best regards

Colin
Amel53 #332, PHUKET
Phuket for now... soon to cross the northern Indian Ocean to Maldives.

On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 1:59 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Strictly in the "for what it's worth" file...


I have had a number of Xantrex products over many years... and never been happy with any of them.  I found them to be short lived and fragile. Sometimes I am a slow learner.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
North Bimini, Bahamas





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Colin Streeter
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor locker floor rotten

James Alton
 

Bill,

   Good point about the possibility of accumulating weight in the bow lockers from a slow leak.  It is pretty hard to get a perfect seal on a locker with such a large opening but I will do what I can on my boat to make it is good as possible.  Also to boot or seal the forestay tang.

   One of the things that impressed me about the bow lockers on Sueño was the fact that we have scrubbed them out twice so that they are really clean/mildew free and neither of us has jammed any loose fibreglass fibers under our fingernails to date.  Most production boats that I am familiar with have little sharp points of glass sticking out everywhere just waiting for such an opportunity to destroy your hands.  So if I ever have to rebuild my bow lockers I will definitely take the time and pain to sand the repairs smooth and gelcoat the surfaces to the same quality level that Amel did originally.  I also find that raw fibreglass sheds fibreglass fibers forever...  Put a sailbag into a locker with raw fibreglass and then  pull it out and look at it in the sun to see the millions of shiny bits of glass...  (grin)    And finally, unless the last coats of resin used in the repair have a wax additive added, the surface will remain forever tacky.  This is designed into the resin to help any additional layers of fibreglass bond to the surface, the term is air inhibited cure.  You can get non air inhibited cure gel coats that will cure hard as glass with no tackiness even without adding the wax additive and this is what I like to use in lockers.  I am not sure of what kind of gel coat that Amel used in all of the lockers and bilge of my boat but it is all glass hard and not tacky.  I had one customer with a 54’ Gulfstar in which all of the lockers were coated with regular gelcoat that had not cured properly. .  A sail had been stored in the bow locker for several years and ahead of a circumnavigation we had to unload that locker.  The sail had bonded itself to the hull so securely that we had to use a block and tackle through the hatch to pull it free.    It was so bad that we eventually were asked to remove the original gelcoat and recoat every locker..a huge job.   It is so nice to have bright shiny, tack free lockers on our 30 year old boat, thank you Amel for taking the extra time to do this right!   

    I am glad to hear that you are happy with the new wood free locker bottoms.  

James

SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Jan 7, 2018, at 12:57 AM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


James,

I went to look for the name of the core material used, and I can't find it.  My recollection is that 5/8 inch thick Dynacell was specified.  Pretty much any of the PVC or Urethane foam core boards would work.  

One thing we did was skip the extra day of labor to gelcoat the bottom of the lockers.  Seemed like a lot of dollars for a very minor cosmetic upgrade to the bottom of a storage locker. 

I think losing a bow locker lid is a vanishingly small probability, but if it happened, I'd be far more concerned about the ton (literally!) of water in the bow locker than with the slow drain to the bilge.  If I thought the bilge was being overwhelmed, and I really wanted to stop water moving aft in such an emergency, I could always close the valve in the drain line in the forward cabin, or in the saloon.  But I am pretty sure I'd be falling off and sailing downwind or heaving-to until I figured out a way to get at least a mostly sealed cover jury-rigged.

A far more likely concern--to me--is a more modest leak from a poorly secured lid or other leak point (the forestay chainplate?) that fills the locker slowly over the course of a passage with no good way to drain it--hence the limber holes.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
North Bimini, Bahamas


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Bill,

   A sealed locker for the stowage of wet chain/rode is a tough place for wood to survive for very long so I think that you are on the right track with removing the organics.  Which foam core material did you decide to use?  

    I guess the possibility  exists of a locker lid being damaged or even lost in conditions where the locker could be flooded,  but I suspect that you have already calculated a safe size for your limber holes to prevent flooding the bilge.  Other than this consideration,  I think that limber holes are a good idea. 

   Enjoy the Bahamas,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220 

On Jan 6, 2018, at 10:41 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I had planned to do our locker floors myself, but my better half convinced me I had better things to do (smart girl!) I was even more appreciative of her advice when watching the guy who did the work climb out of the locker covered with dust after grinding in prep for the  lamination work.


Our plywood floors were replaced by foam core, with glass laminate on both sides.  It will last the life of the hull with never another issue.

We also added permanent limber holes in the floor of the lockers.  I tried really, really hard to think of a good reason to hold water in the lockers and not let it drain to the bilge and I could not come up with a reason why water should pool there and not be pumped overboard.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
North Bimini, Bahamas





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Anchor locker floor rotten

Craig Briggs
 

On our SN the port bow locker has a factory installed drain plug with screw cap. It allows you to drain any water from the storage lockers into the chain locker which then flows to the bilge sump, like anchor chain water does. Great for washing the lockers and I've kept it on the replacement floor. Have assumed the SM's had similar construction.
Craig Briggs, SN#68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <greatketch@...> wrote :

James,

I went to look for the name of the core material used, and I can't find it.  My recollection is that 5/8 inch thick Dynacell was specified.  Pretty much any of the PVC or Urethane foam core boards would work.  

One thing we did was skip the extra day of labor to gelcoat the bottom of the lockers.  Seemed like a lot of dollars for a very minor cosmetic upgrade to the bottom of a storage locker. 

I think losing a bow locker lid is a vanishingly small probability, but if it happened, I'd be far more concerned about the ton (literally!) of water in the bow locker than with the slow drain to the bilge.  If I thought the bilge was being overwhelmed, and I really wanted to stop water moving aft in such an emergency, I could always close the valve in the drain line in the forward cabin, or in the saloon.  But I am pretty sure I'd be falling off and sailing downwind or heaving-to until I figured out a way to get at least a mostly sealed cover jury-rigged.

A far more likely concern--to me--is a more modest leak from a poorly secured lid or other leak point (the forestay chainplate?) that fills the locker slowly over the course of a passage with no good way to drain it--hence the limber holes.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
North Bimini, Bahamas


---In amelyachtowners@..., <lokiyawl2@...> wrote :

Bill,

   A sealed locker for the stowage of wet chain/rode is a tough place for wood to survive for very long so I think that you are on the right track with removing the organics.  Which foam core material did you decide to use?  

    I guess the possibility  exists of a locker lid being damaged or even lost in conditions where the locker could be flooded,  but I suspect that you have already calculated a safe size for your limber holes to prevent flooding the bilge.  Other than this consideration,  I think that limber holes are a good idea. 

   Enjoy the Bahamas,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220 

On Jan 6, 2018, at 10:41 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I had planned to do our locker floors myself, but my better half convinced me I had better things to do (smart girl!) I was even more appreciative of her advice when watching the guy who did the work climb out of the locker covered with dust after grinding in prep for the  lamination work.


Our plywood floors were replaced by foam core, with glass laminate on both sides.  It will last the life of the hull with never another issue.

We also added permanent limber holes in the floor of the lockers.  I tried really, really hard to think of a good reason to hold water in the lockers and not let it drain to the bilge and I could not come up with a reason why water should pool there and not be pumped overboard.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
North Bimini, Bahamas



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Anchor locker floor rotten

greatketch@...
 

James,

I went to look for the name of the core material used, and I can't find it.  My recollection is that 5/8 inch thick Dynacell was specified.  Pretty much any of the PVC or Urethane foam core boards would work.  

One thing we did was skip the extra day of labor to gelcoat the bottom of the lockers.  Seemed like a lot of dollars for a very minor cosmetic upgrade to the bottom of a storage locker. 

I think losing a bow locker lid is a vanishingly small probability, but if it happened, I'd be far more concerned about the ton (literally!) of water in the bow locker than with the slow drain to the bilge.  If I thought the bilge was being overwhelmed, and I really wanted to stop water moving aft in such an emergency, I could always close the valve in the drain line in the forward cabin, or in the saloon.  But I am pretty sure I'd be falling off and sailing downwind or heaving-to until I figured out a way to get at least a mostly sealed cover jury-rigged.

A far more likely concern--to me--is a more modest leak from a poorly secured lid or other leak point (the forestay chainplate?) that fills the locker slowly over the course of a passage with no good way to drain it--hence the limber holes.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
North Bimini, Bahamas


---In amelyachtowners@..., <lokiyawl2@...> wrote :

Bill,

   A sealed locker for the stowage of wet chain/rode is a tough place for wood to survive for very long so I think that you are on the right track with removing the organics.  Which foam core material did you decide to use?  

    I guess the possibility  exists of a locker lid being damaged or even lost in conditions where the locker could be flooded,  but I suspect that you have already calculated a safe size for your limber holes to prevent flooding the bilge.  Other than this consideration,  I think that limber holes are a good idea. 

   Enjoy the Bahamas,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220 

On Jan 6, 2018, at 10:41 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I had planned to do our locker floors myself, but my better half convinced me I had better things to do (smart girl!) I was even more appreciative of her advice when watching the guy who did the work climb out of the locker covered with dust after grinding in prep for the  lamination work.


Our plywood floors were replaced by foam core, with glass laminate on both sides.  It will last the life of the hull with never another issue.

We also added permanent limber holes in the floor of the lockers.  I tried really, really hard to think of a good reason to hold water in the lockers and not let it drain to the bilge and I could not come up with a reason why water should pool there and not be pumped overboard.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
North Bimini, Bahamas



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Anchor locker floor rotten

James Alton
 

Bill,

   A sealed locker for the stowage of wet chain/rode is a tough place for wood to survive for very long so I think that you are on the right track with removing the organics.  Which foam core material did you decide to use?  

    I guess the possibility  exists of a locker lid being damaged or even lost in conditions where the locker could be flooded,  but I suspect that you have already calculated a safe size for your limber holes to prevent flooding the bilge.  Other than this consideration,  I think that limber holes are a good idea. 

   Enjoy the Bahamas,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220 

On Jan 6, 2018, at 10:41 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I had planned to do our locker floors myself, but my better half convinced me I had better things to do (smart girl!) I was even more appreciative of her advice when watching the guy who did the work climb out of the locker covered with dust after grinding in prep for the  lamination work.


Our plywood floors were replaced by foam core, with glass laminate on both sides.  It will last the life of the hull with never another issue.

We also added permanent limber holes in the floor of the lockers.  I tried really, really hard to think of a good reason to hold water in the lockers and not let it drain to the bilge and I could not come up with a reason why water should pool there and not be pumped overboard.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
North Bimini, Bahamas



Re: Inverter Replacement

greatketch@...
 

Strictly in the "for what it's worth" file...

I have had a number of Xantrex products over many years... and never been happy with any of them.  I found them to be short lived and fragile. Sometimes I am a slow learner.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
North Bimini, Bahamas



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Anchor locker floor rotten

greatketch@...
 

I had planned to do our locker floors myself, but my better half convinced me I had better things to do (smart girl!) I was even more appreciative of her advice when watching the guy who did the work climb out of the locker covered with dust after grinding in prep for the  lamination work.

Our plywood floors were replaced by foam core, with glass laminate on both sides.  It will last the life of the hull with never another issue.

We also added permanent limber holes in the floor of the lockers.  I tried really, really hard to think of a good reason to hold water in the lockers and not let it drain to the bilge and I could not come up with a reason why water should pool there and not be pumped overboard.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
North Bimini, Bahamas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] UPDATE *** Martinique. Boat on island about January 18

Dan Carlson
 

Hi all, Lori and I are in St Anne now, we will be in le Marin starting Wednesday.  

Eric, we would love to meet you on the 18th.  How about  happy hour at Kokorum? That can accommodate anyone who can show up.

We've got a bunch of kids visiting is between 16 Jan and 1 Feb, but we'd love to host some folks for happy hours on BeBe on Thursday, 11th or Sunday 14th?  Send me an e-mail to carlsdan61 at gmail dot com and I will confirm.  
Looking forward to meeting more Amel owners.

Dan and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387 



On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 4:05 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

 

Hi All,

I will be in Martinique the evening of January 18 for a while,

Looks like the following boats will be there around that time,

Some owners will be on board and others will be away. In any event here seems to be the list

If you will be there around that time please add your name.

 

Jeff Krause 54 Spirit

Derek Gates 53 Brava

Miles Bidwell-not aboard 53 Lady Bug

Dan Carlson, BeBe, SM#387

Vladimir SM 345 "LIFE is Good"

Olaf MIA-AMARA,  Santorin  Ponton 5

James Cromie La Bella Vie (new owner) SM53

Alex Ramseyer, No Stress  AMEL54, 

Mike Ondra  Aletes SM#240

 

 

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 


Re: Amel decals replacement

Ian Park
 

Stephanie
That’s exactly what we did, plus a photo of the colours (they should be). I had the SANTORIN re done in black lettering, painted the background cream and put the letters on. Comparatively cheap to do. Next time I’ll get a couple of sets done as they do fade in strong sunlight.

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96
Antigua


Boatshow Dűsseldorf Germanny

webercardio@...
 

Boatshow in Dűsseldorf will be from 20th January to 28 th January . Would be a great place to see the newAmel 50. Hope to see a lot of us and perhaps we could  have a get together.

Wolfgang  Weber SY Elise Amel 54 # 162






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Anchor locker floor rotten

James
 

Oh yeah? It probably slowed it down a bit.., but once the moisture gets in, it spreads fast.. especially in plywood. Even marine ply.

I’m new to Amels, and every boat has it’s achilles tendon.. I’m used to much worse on Taiwanese boats!

James


Best Regards

James Timony

On 6 Jan 2018, at 23:03, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Regarding opening the chain locker door to get air circulation, we had built a mahogany louvered cover which we use when not making passage. The appearance is Amel-like and it's easy to put the solid cover back in place when needed.


(Louver notwithstanding, the floors still rotted out, but I am just about done with the replacements.)
Cheers, Craig SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hi James,

This is not an unusual issue with older SMs.  In Martinique Amel has a person who specializes in the repair.  He cuts out the old floor and drops in a new perfectly fitting new one.  It is a quick and (I am told) not expensive procedure.  For those whose floors are still good, opening the front water tight compartment door whenever the boat is  left for some time, will delay or prevent the issue.  I also spray the wood floor with an anti-mold solution every year or so and the floors are solid after 19 years.

Good luck,

Miles

S/Y Ladybug, SM 216 now in Port du Marin, Martinique




Re: Anchor locker floor rotten

Craig Briggs
 

Regarding opening the chain locker door to get air circulation, we had built a mahogany louvered cover which we use when not making passage. The appearance is Amel-like and it's easy to put the solid cover back in place when needed.

(Louver notwithstanding, the floors still rotted out, but I am just about done with the replacements.)
Cheers, Craig SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <milesbid@...> wrote :

Hi James,

This is not an unusual issue with older SMs.  In Martinique Amel has a person who specializes in the repair.  He cuts out the old floor and drops in a new perfectly fitting new one.  It is a quick and (I am told) not expensive procedure.  For those whose floors are still good, opening the front water tight compartment door whenever the boat is  left for some time, will delay or prevent the issue.  I also spray the wood floor with an anti-mold solution every year or so and the floors are solid after 19 years.

Good luck,

Miles

S/Y Ladybug, SM 216 now in Port du Marin, Martinique


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Inverter Replacement

Mark Pitt
 

I have the Xantrex Prosine 1800i installed for 13 years and it has never given me a problem.

Mark Pitt

Sabbatical III, SM#419, Spain


On 1/6/2018 4:17 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
We also installed the Xantrex Prosine 1800i.

It lasted one year and quit.  The error code was "contact the factory".  Xantrex replaced it promptly without waiting for the old one to come back, they just asked me to remove the serial number from it before we put it in the trash.  

So factory support was excellent, but I don't have much faith in it now.  It was installed by an electrician recommended by Joel Potter (Lean Marine in Ft. Lauderdale), so I don't think that was the issue.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: Inverter Replacement

Duane Siegfri
 

We also installed the Xantrex Prosine 1800i.

It lasted one year and quit.  The error code was "contact the factory".  Xantrex replaced it promptly without waiting for the old one to come back, they just asked me to remove the serial number from it before we put it in the trash.  

So factory support was excellent, but I don't have much faith in it now.  It was installed by an electrician recommended by Joel Potter (Lean Marine in Ft. Lauderdale), so I don't think that was the issue.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Anchor locker floor rotten

James
 

Hi Miles

No brainer there. I’d be mad not to hire Oliver to do survey and Bill to guide me through the process and explain everything Amel to me!

Money well spent.. I dodged a bullet in Greece several years back buying a Formosa 51… Dealing with a belligerent owner.. saved by the survey..

Looking seriously at several anyway, but I’ll definitely evaluate the possibility of doing up #311 since it’s located well for us… 

Cheers guys!

James


On 6 Jan 2018, at 21:06, 'Miles Bidwell' milesbid@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


HI James,

 

If you are serious about the boat, hiring Oliver Beauté to do a survey is a good investment as everyone on this forum seems to agree.  A boat that has not been well maintained can get very expensive very quickly.  

 

Miles  Ladybug, sm216  Martinique