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Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse

asm283 <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Eric

Not everyone has a great passage. You dont get strong winds, what you
do get is light to no wind with the normal trade wind swell. Makes
for very unconfortable conditions. We are in NZ. Will stay here for a
few years. Thanks for the info on the strap.
Where are you.

Vito

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, eric <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Vito,

Ian of Pen Azen mentioned that amazing passage.



With respect to the ground strap, I was not the first to discover
the
problem. It runs along the forward end of the wet bilge and is
bolted to the
keel bolt in the bottom of the wet bilge. There is a great photo
with
dimensions posted in the photos by JJrouse2000. I believe this
rotted out
strap caused my manifold failure, I had one made in stainless in St
Martin
for $300- US. I plan to install it next week. It looks like a
simple job.
The only thing that was rotted in the manifold was the A/C pump
tap. . It
looked like Swiss cheese when I cleaned it up. I would check it.

If you do, make sure you have some epoxy putty handy. Otherwise, no
A/c, no
watermaker, and no salt water flush on the heads. We used the
shower.

Where are you?



Fair Winds,



Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse



Hi Eric

How are you. I read with intrest about this grounding strap in the
bildge. I did not know that it was even there. I will need to check
and see what condition its in. What did you look for and how can
you
tell if it needs replacement. Does Amel sell a replacement?

By the way to the surprise of most people who make the Panama to
Galapagos trip its a windward bash as the prevailing winds are on
the
nose. But the trip from The Galapagos to the Marquesas can be
magical. Wanderer in 2005 had steady trade winds from the SE at 15
to
25 knots the entire way, got up to 35 for the last day. I did use
the
mizzen staysail quite a bit on that trip. Not only did it add a
knot
of boat speed but it steadied the boat and virtually stopped the
rolling. With that sail up we crossed from Isabella island to Hiva
Oa
in 16 1/2 days. A time not matched by any other similar size boat
that I know of.

Fair Winds

Vito Ciaravino
Wanderer
ASM 283

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, eric <kimberlite@> wrote:

Dear Bill & Judy,

Thanks for the info.

Have a safe passage.

If conditions are right, try using the genoa and mizzen ballooner.

Fair Winds,

Eric







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Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse



Eric,

All we had was a 1/2" bit and it was too small. We had to work
the
bit
in the hole to enlarge it. The new strap is 1/8" copper and drills
easily. Unfortunately I did not measure the keel bolt, just made
the
hole big enough by comparing it to the nut. My guess is that 3/4"
will
do.

A couple of hints:

* You will need several 1/2" drive extensions to reach the nut. I
think I had 2 - 12" and 1 - 8" extensions
* Place some masking tape inside the socket to bind the nut...that
way the nut comes up or goes down with the socket.
* Since I did first this job I found some copper wire lug bolts.
Let
me describe these: They look like a copper bolt and nut; except,
excluding the head, the bolt is split down the length of the
bolt. I
used 2 of these. Drill a hole for bolt in the new strap and push
the
bolt through the hole...now push the clean bare ends of the wires
through the space in the bolt. Tighten the nut on the bolt and
you
will
have an all copper connection.
We are on the Pacific side of the Canal and departing for the
Galapagos
tomorrow...If there is anything else, let me know today as I will
be
without Internet for some time.

Best,

Bill with Judy
Cruising on s/v BeBe SM2 #387

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "eric freedman" <kimberlite@>
wrote:

Hi,
how large is the hole that you drilled in the end of the bilge
grounding strap to acomodate the keel bolt?
I am headed off to the carib to replace it and want to make
sure i
have the right size drill bit.
Thanks
eric
sm376 likberlite
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse

eric freedman
 

Hi Vito,

Ian of Pen Azen mentioned that amazing passage.



With respect to the ground strap, I was not the first to discover the
problem. It runs along the forward end of the wet bilge and is bolted to the
keel bolt in the bottom of the wet bilge. There is a great photo with
dimensions posted in the photos by JJrouse2000. I believe this rotted out
strap caused my manifold failure, I had one made in stainless in St Martin
for $300- US. I plan to install it next week. It looks like a simple job.
The only thing that was rotted in the manifold was the A/C pump tap. . It
looked like Swiss cheese when I cleaned it up. I would check it.

If you do, make sure you have some epoxy putty handy. Otherwise, no A/c, no
watermaker, and no salt water flush on the heads. We used the shower.

Where are you?



Fair Winds,



Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





_____

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of asm283
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse



Hi Eric

How are you. I read with intrest about this grounding strap in the
bildge. I did not know that it was even there. I will need to check
and see what condition its in. What did you look for and how can you
tell if it needs replacement. Does Amel sell a replacement?

By the way to the surprise of most people who make the Panama to
Galapagos trip its a windward bash as the prevailing winds are on the
nose. But the trip from The Galapagos to the Marquesas can be
magical. Wanderer in 2005 had steady trade winds from the SE at 15 to
25 knots the entire way, got up to 35 for the last day. I did use the
mizzen staysail quite a bit on that trip. Not only did it add a knot
of boat speed but it steadied the boat and virtually stopped the
rolling. With that sail up we crossed from Isabella island to Hiva Oa
in 16 1/2 days. A time not matched by any other similar size boat
that I know of.

Fair Winds

Vito Ciaravino
Wanderer
ASM 283

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, eric <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Dear Bill & Judy,

Thanks for the info.

Have a safe passage.

If conditions are right, try using the genoa and mizzen ballooner.

Fair Winds,

Eric







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From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:41 AM
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse



Eric,

All we had was a 1/2" bit and it was too small. We had to work the
bit
in the hole to enlarge it. The new strap is 1/8" copper and drills
easily. Unfortunately I did not measure the keel bolt, just made the
hole big enough by comparing it to the nut. My guess is that 3/4"
will
do.

A couple of hints:

* You will need several 1/2" drive extensions to reach the nut. I
think I had 2 - 12" and 1 - 8" extensions
* Place some masking tape inside the socket to bind the nut...that
way the nut comes up or goes down with the socket.
* Since I did first this job I found some copper wire lug bolts. Let
me describe these: They look like a copper bolt and nut; except,
excluding the head, the bolt is split down the length of the bolt. I
used 2 of these. Drill a hole for bolt in the new strap and push the
bolt through the hole...now push the clean bare ends of the wires
through the space in the bolt. Tighten the nut on the bolt and you
will
have an all copper connection.
We are on the Pacific side of the Canal and departing for the
Galapagos
tomorrow...If there is anything else, let me know today as I will be
without Internet for some time.

Best,

Bill with Judy
Cruising on s/v BeBe SM2 #387

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "eric freedman" <kimberlite@>
wrote:

Hi,
how large is the hole that you drilled in the end of the bilge
grounding strap to acomodate the keel bolt?
I am headed off to the carib to replace it and want to make sure i
have the right size drill bit.
Thanks
eric
sm376 likberlite








[Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse

asm283 <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Eric

How are you. I read with intrest about this grounding strap in the
bildge. I did not know that it was even there. I will need to check
and see what condition its in. What did you look for and how can you
tell if it needs replacement. Does Amel sell a replacement?

By the way to the surprise of most people who make the Panama to
Galapagos trip its a windward bash as the prevailing winds are on the
nose. But the trip from The Galapagos to the Marquesas can be
magical. Wanderer in 2005 had steady trade winds from the SE at 15 to
25 knots the entire way, got up to 35 for the last day. I did use the
mizzen staysail quite a bit on that trip. Not only did it add a knot
of boat speed but it steadied the boat and virtually stopped the
rolling. With that sail up we crossed from Isabella island to Hiva Oa
in 16 1/2 days. A time not matched by any other similar size boat
that I know of.

Fair Winds

Vito Ciaravino
Wanderer
ASM 283

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, eric <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Dear Bill & Judy,

Thanks for the info.

Have a safe passage.

If conditions are right, try using the genoa and mizzen ballooner.

Fair Winds,

Eric







_____

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svbebe
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:41 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse



Eric,

All we had was a 1/2" bit and it was too small. We had to work the
bit
in the hole to enlarge it. The new strap is 1/8" copper and drills
easily. Unfortunately I did not measure the keel bolt, just made the
hole big enough by comparing it to the nut. My guess is that 3/4"
will
do.

A couple of hints:

* You will need several 1/2" drive extensions to reach the nut. I
think I had 2 - 12" and 1 - 8" extensions
* Place some masking tape inside the socket to bind the nut...that
way the nut comes up or goes down with the socket.
* Since I did first this job I found some copper wire lug bolts. Let
me describe these: They look like a copper bolt and nut; except,
excluding the head, the bolt is split down the length of the bolt. I
used 2 of these. Drill a hole for bolt in the new strap and push the
bolt through the hole...now push the clean bare ends of the wires
through the space in the bolt. Tighten the nut on the bolt and you
will
have an all copper connection.
We are on the Pacific side of the Canal and departing for the
Galapagos
tomorrow...If there is anything else, let me know today as I will be
without Internet for some time.

Best,

Bill with Judy
Cruising on s/v BeBe SM2 #387

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "eric freedman" <kimberlite@>
wrote:

Hi,
how large is the hole that you drilled in the end of the bilge
grounding strap to acomodate the keel bolt?
I am headed off to the carib to replace it and want to make sure i
have the right size drill bit.
Thanks
eric
sm376 likberlite
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse

eric freedman
 

Dear Bill & Judy,

Thanks for the info.

Have a safe passage.

If conditions are right, try using the genoa and mizzen ballooner.

Fair Winds,

Eric







_____

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svbebe
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:41 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse



Eric,

All we had was a 1/2" bit and it was too small. We had to work the bit
in the hole to enlarge it. The new strap is 1/8" copper and drills
easily. Unfortunately I did not measure the keel bolt, just made the
hole big enough by comparing it to the nut. My guess is that 3/4" will
do.

A couple of hints:

* You will need several 1/2" drive extensions to reach the nut. I
think I had 2 - 12" and 1 - 8" extensions
* Place some masking tape inside the socket to bind the nut...that
way the nut comes up or goes down with the socket.
* Since I did first this job I found some copper wire lug bolts. Let
me describe these: They look like a copper bolt and nut; except,
excluding the head, the bolt is split down the length of the bolt. I
used 2 of these. Drill a hole for bolt in the new strap and push the
bolt through the hole...now push the clean bare ends of the wires
through the space in the bolt. Tighten the nut on the bolt and you will
have an all copper connection.
We are on the Pacific side of the Canal and departing for the Galapagos
tomorrow...If there is anything else, let me know today as I will be
without Internet for some time.

Best,

Bill with Judy
Cruising on s/v BeBe SM2 #387

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "eric freedman" <kimberlite@...>
wrote:


Hi,
how large is the hole that you drilled in the end of the bilge
grounding strap to acomodate the keel bolt?
I am headed off to the carib to replace it and want to make sure i
have the right size drill bit.
Thanks
eric
sm376 likberlite


Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse

svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

There are photos and specs of the replacement ground strap in an album
titled Bilge - Ground Strap at
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/browse/d3f4

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe SM2 #387


Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse

svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

All we had was a 1/2" bit and it was too small. We had to work the bit
in the hole to enlarge it. The new strap is 1/8" copper and drills
easily. Unfortunately I did not measure the keel bolt, just made the
hole big enough by comparing it to the nut. My guess is that 3/4" will
do.

A couple of hints:

* You will need several 1/2" drive extensions to reach the nut. I
think I had 2 - 12" and 1 - 8" extensions
* Place some masking tape inside the socket to bind the nut...that
way the nut comes up or goes down with the socket.
* Since I did first this job I found some copper wire lug bolts. Let
me describe these: They look like a copper bolt and nut; except,
excluding the head, the bolt is split down the length of the bolt. I
used 2 of these. Drill a hole for bolt in the new strap and push the
bolt through the hole...now push the clean bare ends of the wires
through the space in the bolt. Tighten the nut on the bolt and you will
have an all copper connection.
We are on the Pacific side of the Canal and departing for the Galapagos
tomorrow...If there is anything else, let me know today as I will be
without Internet for some time.

Best,

Bill with Judy
Cruising on s/v BeBe SM2 #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "eric freedman" <kimberlite@...>
wrote:

Hi,
how large is the hole that you drilled in the end of the bilge
grounding strap to acomodate the keel bolt?
I am headed off to the carib to replace it and want to make sure i
have the right size drill bit.
Thanks
eric
sm376 likberlite


Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse

eric freedman
 

Hi,
how large is the hole that you drilled in the end of the bilge
grounding strap to acomodate the keel bolt?
I am headed off to the carib to replace it and want to make sure i
have the right size drill bit.
Thanks
eric
sm376 likberlite


SM aft cabin vanity

john martin <symoondog@...>
 

Two photos are posted now in our Moon Dog folder, I guess we forgot to post them before. The camera flash makes it appear that the new section is much lighter than the rest of the paneling. In reality it matches quite well, except we never got around to staining the oak trim edging (around each new cabinet door) to match the Amel doors. A project for another day...
Regards, John


To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.comFrom: kimberlite@optonline.netDate: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:24:14 -0400Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] 2 topics: Algae-X and the SM aft cabin vanity

John,I could not find your vanity photos.would you please direct me to them.thanksEricAmel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite-----Original Message-----From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john martinSent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 4:11 PMTo: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Amel Yacht Owners] 2 topics: Algae-X and the SM aft cabin vanityI'd like to thank the gentleman on this net who wrote a few years ago about installing an Algae-X fuel filter in his SM to eliminate the constant black streak problem from the engine exhaust. I bought one a year ago and have not had to clean the side of the boat since. I don't know how it works, butyou just install it and forget about it, absolutely no maintenance. The best $170 I ever spent !I also want to offer a belated response to emails some time ago about the aft cabin vanity. We never used the vanity and it occupies a lot of volume so we decided to make a cabinet out of it. See photos on this site in our folder "Moon Dog". The little seat removes very easily (and can be reinstalled easily as well). We put one shelf inside, made of 16" deep household variety plastic coated wire shelving) that rests on the conduit ridge molded into the hull and is screwed to the existing bulkheads. The cabinet front is just a pices of varnished mahogany plywood, with 2 doors similar in style to the Amel doors (although we need to stain the edging dark to match the rest of the boat). We left the carpet in and the cabinet front is screwed in on each side through the existing bulkheads. All our "improvements" can be easily removed if needed. My wife loves it as it is alarge cabinet that can hold bulky items such as linens, blankets, and many, many pairs of shoes as well.We also installed some very simple "book bars" in the cabin "cubbyholes". We got tired of all the books dumping out whenever we had a somewhat rolly passage ! See photos on this site in our folder.John MartinMoon Dog SM #248__________________________________________________________Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN Presents today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline&ocid=T002MSN03A07001Yahoo! Groups Links






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Re: Liferaft, Locker or Cradle?

joseph mc donnell
 

Hi All
Thanks guys for your quick replies. I probably should have told you
all that the liferaft is a 10 man cannister (big bugger),which came of
our last cruiser (a bendy toy). I can see that a lot of thought has
gone into this problem in the past. Im in agreement with a lot of
suggestions. I came to the same solution as Bill and raised the
canister to just under the lip (beer bottle crates cut to size) . We
all know about the benifits of a little bit of fear on your strength.
The practiced timed launch suggested by Robin sounds like a good idea,
especially for inexperienced crew. I think that hoisting out the
liferaft using the boom should be forgotten about. Its a lot of weight
that can take off across the cockpit, in a rough sea, if attached to
the boom. I do'nt think that Eric spot on the rail would be suitable
for our liferaft considering the weight. This I belive leaves two
options either on the deck or beside the aft steps outside the rail.
This leads to the next question, is reinforcement required to the deck.
Thanks again, Its good to have answers for club members.
Yours Joe McDonnell


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 2 topics: Algae-X and the SM aft cabin vanity

eric freedman
 

John,
I could not find your vanity photos.
would you please direct me to them.
thanks
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

-----Original Message-----
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john martin
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 4:11 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] 2 topics: Algae-X and the SM aft cabin vanity

I'd like to thank the gentleman on this net who wrote a few years ago about
installing an Algae-X fuel filter in his SM to eliminate the constant black
streak problem from the engine exhaust. I bought one a year ago and have
not had to clean the side of the boat since. I don't know how it works, but

you just install it and forget about it, absolutely no maintenance. The
best $170 I ever spent !

I also want to offer a belated response to emails some time ago about the
aft cabin vanity. We never used the vanity and it occupies a lot of volume
so we decided to make a cabinet out of it. See photos on this site in our
folder "Moon Dog". The little seat removes very easily (and can be
reinstalled easily as well). We put one shelf inside, made of 16" deep
household variety plastic coated wire shelving) that rests on the conduit
ridge molded into the hull and is screwed to the existing bulkheads. The
cabinet front is just a pices of varnished mahogany plywood, with 2 doors
similar in style to the Amel doors (although we need to stain the edging
dark to match the rest of the boat). We left the carpet in and the cabinet
front is screwed in on each side through the existing bulkheads. All our
"improvements" can be easily removed if needed. My wife loves it as it is a

large cabinet that can hold bulky items such as linens, blankets, and many,
many pairs of shoes as well.

We also installed some very simple "book bars" in the cabin "cubbyholes".
We got tired of all the books dumping out whenever we had a somewhat rolly
passage ! See photos on this site in our folder.

John Martin
Moon Dog SM #248

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Liferaft, Locker or Deck Cradle?

svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Judy and I are cruising and need to be able to carry extra fuel in
Jerry Cans. We found a 18.9 liter Jerry Can that we are able to fit
10 into the "Liferaft Locker." We placed the liferaft into the port
lazerette to give us storage for the 10 Jerry Cans and because we also
struggled with the removal of the liferaft from its locker.

Here is an alternate idea for you. Had we not needed the storage
space for the diesel, we were considering storing some seldom used
items at the bottom of the liferaft locker raising the level of the
liferaft. I believe if it were just under the hatch, all of your
concerns would be satisfied.

Best,

Bill & Judy Rouse
s/v BeBe SM2 #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Robin Cooter <robincooter@...>
wrote:

After we purchased our Santorin and before we made a trans-atlantic
crossing we meticulously checked out all our safety gear. The
liferaft, in a valise, was stowed in the "liferaft locker" midships on
the port side. We made a dummy run to "launch" it. We used the
eye under the mast to rig a a block and tackle to lift the liferaft
(we had struggled to lift it manually through the opening.) Rigging
the tackle was very quick but the problem was that the valise would
not go through the opening. After about 15 minutes we managed to
work it through. Balancing the conditions in which it might be used
v the adrenalin rush from the emergency we decided to repace he valise
(which was 10 years old but still certificated.) with a canister which
is stowed in a quick release mount outside the rails on the port side
aft. The only problems we have had with this arrangement is that it
has at times caught on posts, protrusions from docks and the like. We
have a fender on the
outboard side of the liferaft and as such we have never suffered
anything worthy of entering in the log!

The message has to be try a timed launch with a crew who have had
nothing other than a normal safety briefing and see if the result is
acceptable to you.

Regards,

Robin Cooter,
Santorin 004, Belouga.

joemac4sail <joemac4sail@...> wrote:

The question of where the liferaft should be positioned on our club
owned Santorin has arisen. It has been suggested that it would be
better if the liferaft was mounted on the rail or deck. Personally I'm
of the opinion that if it ain't broken don't fix it and for the last
thing I would want to abandon, to get into a liferaft, is an Amel. But
the suggestion has come from a respected club member with vast sea
experience,and as it is a club boat with various levels of
experience,this suggestion has to be evaluated. As we are new to the
Amel Family (3 years now and enjoying it thoroughly), I hope that the
vast experience out there will come to my aid. The Club is called The
East Coast Garda Sailing Club based in Dun Laoire, Ireland. We are
basically a group of people with an interest in sailing who got
together to do a bit of cruising during the summer and day sailing
during the winter on the Santorin "Khamsin B" We also are involved
racing on our other boat. The purchase of Khamsin as you can immagine
has extended out our horisons big time, but with that comes the safety
factor.
Looking forward to reading your suggestions.
Joe McDonnell






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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Liferaft, Locker or Deck Cradle?

Robin Cooter <robincooter@...>
 

After we purchased our Santorin and before we made a trans-atlantic crossing we meticulously checked out all our safety gear. The liferaft, in a valise, was stowed in the "liferaft locker" midships on the port side. We made a dummy run to "launch" it. We used the eye under the mast to rig a a block and tackle to lift the liferaft (we had struggled to lift it manually through the opening.) Rigging the tackle was very quick but the problem was that the valise would not go through the opening. After about 15 minutes we managed to work it through. Balancing the conditions in which it might be used v the adrenalin rush from the emergency we decided to repace he valise (which was 10 years old but still certificated.) with a canister which is stowed in a quick release mount outside the rails on the port side aft. The only problems we have had with this arrangement is that it has at times caught on posts, protrusions from docks and the like. We have a fender on the
outboard side of the liferaft and as such we have never suffered anything worthy of entering in the log!

The message has to be try a timed launch with a crew who have had nothing other than a normal safety briefing and see if the result is acceptable to you.

Regards,

Robin Cooter,
Santorin 004, Belouga.

joemac4sail <joemac4sail@yahoo.ie> wrote:

The question of where the liferaft should be positioned on our club
owned Santorin has arisen. It has been suggested that it would be
better if the liferaft was mounted on the rail or deck. Personally I'm
of the opinion that if it ain't broken don't fix it and for the last
thing I would want to abandon, to get into a liferaft, is an Amel. But
the suggestion has come from a respected club member with vast sea
experience,and as it is a club boat with various levels of
experience,this suggestion has to be evaluated. As we are new to the
Amel Family (3 years now and enjoying it thoroughly), I hope that the
vast experience out there will come to my aid. The Club is called The
East Coast Garda Sailing Club based in Dun Laoire, Ireland. We are
basically a group of people with an interest in sailing who got
together to do a bit of cruising during the summer and day sailing
during the winter on the Santorin "Khamsin B" We also are involved
racing on our other boat. The purchase of Khamsin as you can immagine
has extended out our horisons big time, but with that comes the safety
factor.
Looking forward to reading your suggestions.
Joe McDonnell






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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Liferaft, Locker or Deck Cradle?

eric freedman
 

I think the liferaft is in a good spot.

I believe if it is mounted on the rail or the deck, it will suffer more
abuse. Many life rafts are not made to be hung off a rail.



More importantly, the weight. On my last boat, I had a Jordan series drogue
in an aft locker. It took two of us to push and kick the 100-pound drogue
into the locker. When I was in 50-70 plus knots and needed it, I pulled it
out with one hand.

You would be very surprised how strong you get in a disaster.



Incidentally, it worked fantastically and I had one made for Kimberlite and
keep it in the port locker. I believe it is the best drag device on the
market.

Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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In my opinion an liferaft in a locker may be useless in an emergency
situation. To lift a raft out of a locker may be very difficult in storm
conditions. I know mine was hard to remove from the lazerette when I was at
a dock! When I replace mine it would be with a deck mounted cannister . --
Bill Klein - SV Popeye
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The question of where the liferaft should be positioned on our club
owned Santorin has arisen. It has been suggested that it would be
better if the liferaft was mounted on the rail or deck. Personally I'm
of the opinion that if it ain't broken don't fix it and for the last
thing I would want to abandon, to get into a liferaft, is an Amel. But
the suggestion has come from a respected club member with vast sea
experience,and as it is a club boat with various levels of
experience,this suggestion has to be evaluated. As we are new to the
Amel Family (3 years now and enjoying it thoroughly), I hope that the
vast experience out there will come to my aid. The Club is called The
East Coast Garda Sailing Club based in Dun Laoire, Ireland. We are
basically a group of people with an interest in sailing who got
together to do a bit of cruising during the summer and day sailing
during the winter on the Santorin "Khamsin B" We also are involved
racing on our other boat. The purchase of Khamsin as you can immagine
has extended out our horisons big time, but with that comes the safety
factor.
Looking forward to reading your suggestions.
Joe McDonnell


prop upgrade

amel46met
 

To the group: I am Tom Deasy, owner of the 1983 Amel Maramu
"Aphrodite" located in Santa Cruz, California. I am thinking of
upgrading from a fixed to a feathering/folding prop, possibly a
"Max-Prop". My concern is that I have a shaft alternator which I would
like to continue to use and I assume this may limit my choice of
props. Any information or opinions on the many choices of props now
available would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Tom & Mary Ellen


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Liferaft, Locker or Deck Cradle?

WILLIAM KLEIN <sidecar1@...>
 

In my opinion an liferaft in a locker may be useless in an emergency situation. To lift a raft out of a locker may be very difficult in storm conditions. I know mine was hard to remove from the lazerette when I was at a dock! When I replace mine it would be with a deck mounted cannister . -- Bill Klein - SV Popeye
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The question of where the liferaft should be positioned on our club
owned Santorin has arisen. It has been suggested that it would be
better if the liferaft was mounted on the rail or deck. Personally I'm
of the opinion that if it ain't broken don't fix it and for the last
thing I would want to abandon, to get into a liferaft, is an Amel. But
the suggestion has come from a respected club member with vast sea
experience,and as it is a club boat with various levels of
experience,this suggestion has to be evaluated. As we are new to the
Amel Family (3 years now and enjoying it thoroughly), I hope that the
vast experience out there will come to my aid. The Club is called The
East Coast Garda Sailing Club based in Dun Laoire, Ireland. We are
basically a group of people with an interest in sailing who got
together to do a bit of cruising during the summer and day sailing
during the winter on the Santorin "Khamsin B" We also are involved
racing on our other boat. The purchase of Khamsin as you can immagine
has extended out our horisons big time, but with that comes the safety
factor.
Looking forward to reading your suggestions.
Joe McDonnell


Liferaft, Locker or Deck Cradle?

joseph mc donnell
 

The question of where the liferaft should be positioned on our club
owned Santorin has arisen. It has been suggested that it would be
better if the liferaft was mounted on the rail or deck. Personally I'm
of the opinion that if it ain't broken don't fix it and for the last
thing I would want to abandon, to get into a liferaft, is an Amel. But
the suggestion has come from a respected club member with vast sea
experience,and as it is a club boat with various levels of
experience,this suggestion has to be evaluated. As we are new to the
Amel Family (3 years now and enjoying it thoroughly), I hope that the
vast experience out there will come to my aid. The Club is called The
East Coast Garda Sailing Club based in Dun Laoire, Ireland. We are
basically a group of people with an interest in sailing who got
together to do a bit of cruising during the summer and day sailing
during the winter on the Santorin "Khamsin B" We also are involved
racing on our other boat. The purchase of Khamsin as you can immagine
has extended out our horisons big time, but with that comes the safety
factor.
Looking forward to reading your suggestions.
Joe McDonnell


Battery charging

John and Anne on Bali Hai <annejohn@...>
 

Hello Ivar,
I suspect that the problem is the result of the batteries being fully
discharged during the winter and thus killed off.
Delphi Freedom batteries should be charged up to 29.6 volts according
to the specifications given in Reyas instructions for their Dolphin 2
charger which was introduced about 2003.This model has a switch to
change the charge/float rates for the various sorts of batteries.
I have the previous model which does not have this switch. It charges
up to 28.8volts. My batteries are still pretty good after seven years
although I think some are on their last legs as I had to change
one of them two years ago. One of the claimed advantages of calcium-
lead batteries like Delphi is apparently that they have a much lower
self discharge rate than other types.
I turn every thing off when I am leaving the boat for the winter and
check on the Emeter to see that I have succeeded
as the battery on my car was ruined as the memory of the radio and the
pretend alarm flattened it.
The Reya Agents in Greece are Alex Marine, 5 Leochous Street, Piraeus,
185-31. I got the new battery in Kos Marina,I think from C. Mylonas,
ph 2242024768. The replacement was a Delphi truck battery which is
apparently the same as the marine except that the terminals are not in
the same position.


Battery charging

ivarmylde <mylde@...>
 

I hve problems with my batteries. I hve now bought new Delphi batteries
each year. I suspect the problem is charging. my 24volt/50amp charger
deliver max 28,5 amp on my meter and in that way I believ my batteries
will never be fully charged, I left the batteries connected this
winther for 5 months and asked the yard in Greece to charge every month
which I believe they did. Cud not disconnect due work done while I was
away. Before on my other boats I had my batteries for 6/8 years without
problems. The instuction book of the charger is in French and bit
difficult to understand. Can anybody help.
Rgds Ivar Mylde
SM#53 Silfrania


Battery charging

ivarmylde <mylde@...>
 

I hve problems with my Delphi batteries, hve bought new last year in
Italy 115 ah. Hve to charge after max 25AH when batteries without load
is at 24 volt. I believe the charger is not charging high enough. My
24volt/50ah charger charge at max 28,5 amp and batteries will not be
fully charged. The instruction book for the charger in French and
difficult to understand. Now in Preveza, Greece . On my previous boats
the batteries normally lasted for 6/8 years without problems.
Rgds Ivar Mylde
SM#53


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator water maker

eric freedman
 

The pickle solution eroded the end caps of my watermaker and killed the
membranes. Just stick to fresh water with new pre filters before storing.

Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John and Anne on Bali
Hai
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:04 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator water maker



Hello Giovanni,
If you enter "watermaker pickling" in the search box you will find a
lot of advice. However we have followed Olivier Beaute's advice and did
nothing more than flush it well with fresh water before leaving it
alone for six months every winter. So far it has worked well for the
past seven seasons. However if you do decide to pickle make sure that
you stick to the recommended concentrations as I believe that too much
chemical will severely damage the membrane.

Good luck, Anne and John, SM319 Bali Hai