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Thomson Washing Machine

Stephan Regulinski
 

Does anyone have the repair manual for the Thomson Australe 3 washing
machine (used on the SMM)? Mine will not start. I push the start
button, the red light comes on, then nothing: no water, no mechanical
sounds, no electrical sounds, nada. A few seconds later the red light
goes off.

Stephan
Delos (SMM #303)


Autohelm linear drive unit

John and Anne on Bali Hai <annejohn@...>
 

I have put a couple of pics in the photos section. These were taken
on my last boat, a 1985 Oyster 435.The drive unit originally had
nylon planetary gears and these had a very limited life. I went to
Autohelm,as it then was pre Raymarine, and bought three sets of spare
gears at a cost (1990) of £12.50 per set,one to replace mine and two
as spares. I could have bought brass ones but they cost £125 per set!
I later sold the other two sets to two cruisers stranded at a couple
of places in the South Pacific and bought brass gears.
Olivier assured me that my boat(2001) has brass gears but it may well
be that earlier models do not. A prudent yottie would check before a
long voyage.
The second pic shows the effect of worn out brushes which could also
cause a stranding. Again spares should be carried on long passages
unless you have two drive units.
Getting the spare brushes was not easy in a faraway location.The
Agents in Australia sent me the wrong ones as Autohelm had changed
motor suppliers and seemingly kept it a secret. A fax to Autohelm
gave me this bit of info adding that they did not carry spares for my
motor. Nor did they tell me who made my motor and their contact info.
Stranded in Vanuatu we were not impressed.

Best wishes, Anne and John SM319


Re: Super Maramu Grounding (Bonding) Theory

Claus von der Heydt <cvdhwoe@...>
 

Hi Everyone,

I just uploaded a file about galvanic corrosion. Maybe it is helpful.

Regards Claus, S/V Jonathan, SM #196

--- In amelyachtowners@..., amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:

Hi Everyone.

Since Bill & Judy Rouse posted related to their bilge
grounding strap failure I have inspected my strap and found it
intact. My boat is of about the same vintage so I am trying to
figure out why their strap failed, then the AC pump impeller
went to pieces and the relation to the general theory of grounding
(bonding) on the Amel boats.

I would welcome input from everyone in trying to understand the
rather seemingly black art of bonding in sea going vessels.
This is my understanding.
1. The iron keel and all other metallic items that are submersed
in salt water are bonded (connected) to all other metallic items in
the boat that are salt water immersed. This includes the various
pumps, valves, through hulls,engines, transmission, Herth drive,
rudder, etc.
2. These are then bonded to the rudder post to which the
sacrificial zinc anodes are attached.
3. The purpose of bonding is to provide an electrical equipotential
or low resistance path for any stray current to flow to the
sacrificial anodes on the rudder. This stray current may be from
electrical component stray current, marina leakage current or
dissimilar metal induced stray current.
4. a). I believer, but I am not sure, that the bilge bonding
strap is made from solid copper because it connects to such a
large potential current sink (the keel) and lives in a hostile
environment where a cable with a terminal end would not
fair well. b). The engine compartment bonding wires are all tied
together at the bilge copper strap just as a centrally located
tie point.????..
5. Like a wet cell battery, with two dissimilar metals submerged
in an electrolyte solution current flows when a complete circuit
exists. Our boat is a giant wet cell battery with dissimilar metals
submerged in an electrolyte solution. Add to this the additional
hazard of stray current leakage from marina wiring or onboard
electrical appliances and it is no wonder our zinc electrodes go
away so fast.
6. So, causes of increased zinc anode consumption might include:
a) More time in marinas with their well know propensity to have
lots of stray current, b) electrical components onboard the boat
that leak electrical current, such as inverters, electrical appliances,
motors etc.
7. Any item that becomes isolated from the bonding grid by
becoming disconnected or having a high resistance attachment
to the grid due to corrosion of the bonding wire to
protected item joint will no longer be protected by the zinc
sacrificial anodes and will proceed to corrode.

That is my rudimentary understanding of the system. Other
thoughts are welcome.

So Bill, I think the keel becoming disconnected from the bonding
system would probably NOT have led to the problem with the AC
pump and/or sea water manifold. More likely there is a high
resistance connection between those items and the bonding
system or you have additional current leaks. I think it should
be possible to measure for a high resistance connection by
using a digital ohm meter and checking the resistance between
the rudder post in the aft cabin and the pump or pipe you're
interested in.

My time on the boat in marinas is very limited because I
only get on the boat 3 months a year and when I am in the
marina and not on the boat I disconnect from shore power
and use solar panels to keep the batteries up. Six months
of the year the boat is on the hard, My limited exposure
is what I am thinking helped me still have a good bilge
bonding strap. I would have rather had more miles on
the boat by now. I envy you.

Regards, Gary s/v Liahona Antigua


Super Maramu Grounding (Bonding) Theory

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Everyone.

Since Bill & Judy Rouse posted related to their bilge
grounding strap failure I have inspected my strap and found it
intact. My boat is of about the same vintage so I am trying to
figure out why their strap failed, then the AC pump impeller
went to pieces and the relation to the general theory of grounding
(bonding) on the Amel boats.

I would welcome input from everyone in trying to understand the
rather seemingly black art of bonding in sea going vessels.
This is my understanding.
1. The iron keel and all other metallic items that are submersed
in salt water are bonded (connected) to all other metallic items in
the boat that are salt water immersed. This includes the various
pumps, valves, through hulls,engines, transmission, Herth drive,
rudder, etc.
2. These are then bonded to the rudder post to which the
sacrificial zinc anodes are attached.
3. The purpose of bonding is to provide an electrical equipotential
or low resistance path for any stray current to flow to the
sacrificial anodes on the rudder. This stray current may be from
electrical component stray current, marina leakage current or
dissimilar metal induced stray current.
4. a). I believer, but I am not sure, that the bilge bonding
strap is made from solid copper because it connects to such a
large potential current sink (the keel) and lives in a hostile
environment where a cable with a terminal end would not
fair well. b). The engine compartment bonding wires are all tied
together at the bilge copper strap just as a centrally located
tie point.????..
5. Like a wet cell battery, with two dissimilar metals submerged
in an electrolyte solution current flows when a complete circuit
exists. Our boat is a giant wet cell battery with dissimilar metals
submerged in an electrolyte solution. Add to this the additional
hazard of stray current leakage from marina wiring or onboard
electrical appliances and it is no wonder our zinc electrodes go
away so fast.
6. So, causes of increased zinc anode consumption might include:
a) More time in marinas with their well know propensity to have
lots of stray current, b) electrical components onboard the boat
that leak electrical current, such as inverters, electrical appliances,
motors etc.
7. Any item that becomes isolated from the bonding grid by
becoming disconnected or having a high resistance attachment
to the grid due to corrosion of the bonding wire to
protected item joint will no longer be protected by the zinc
sacrificial anodes and will proceed to corrode.

That is my rudimentary understanding of the system. Other
thoughts are welcome.

So Bill, I think the keel becoming disconnected from the bonding
system would probably NOT have led to the problem with the AC
pump and/or sea water manifold. More likely there is a high
resistance connection between those items and the bonding
system or you have additional current leaks. I think it should
be possible to measure for a high resistance connection by
using a digital ohm meter and checking the resistance between
the rudder post in the aft cabin and the pump or pipe you're
interested in.

My time on the boat in marinas is very limited because I
only get on the boat 3 months a year and when I am in the
marina and not on the boat I disconnect from shore power
and use solar panels to keep the batteries up. Six months
of the year the boat is on the hard, My limited exposure
is what I am thinking helped me still have a good bilge
bonding strap. I would have rather had more miles on
the boat by now. I envy you.

Regards, Gary s/v Liahona Antigua


prop upgrade & grounding strap

amel46met
 

To the group & JoeMac4Sail, Most prop manufacturers we have spoken
with ask "what is a shaft alternator?". The few that were familiar
with the alternators were not sure if their props would work. We were
hoping to get info from other Amel owners who have dealt with this, or
if Amel has a factory setup/stock installation. In answer to your
question, Steve Dashew's encyclopedia states he has installed the
Maxi-Prop and while under sail, puts it into reverse gear when he
wants it to charge.

In regards to the grounding strap, did the Maramu 46 come with this
strap and is there a schematic for the bonding/grounding circuits.
Thank you, Tom & Mary Ellen s/v Aphrodite.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse

eric freedman
 

Vito,
today I am in NY.
Saturday Colombia on business. then to St Martin, haul the boat paint and
sail back to NY.
have you found work in NZ?
Have you heard from Lucia?
fair winds,
eric

_____

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of asm283
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:10 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse



Hi Eric

Not everyone has a great passage. You dont get strong winds, what you
do get is light to no wind with the normal trade wind swell. Makes
for very unconfortable conditions. We are in NZ. Will stay here for a
few years. Thanks for the info on the strap.
Where are you.

Vito

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, eric <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Vito,

Ian of Pen Azen mentioned that amazing passage.



With respect to the ground strap, I was not the first to discover
the
problem. It runs along the forward end of the wet bilge and is
bolted to the
keel bolt in the bottom of the wet bilge. There is a great photo
with
dimensions posted in the photos by JJrouse2000. I believe this
rotted out
strap caused my manifold failure, I had one made in stainless in St
Martin
for $300- US. I plan to install it next week. It looks like a
simple job.
The only thing that was rotted in the manifold was the A/C pump
tap. . It
looked like Swiss cheese when I cleaned it up. I would check it.

If you do, make sure you have some epoxy putty handy. Otherwise, no
A/c, no
watermaker, and no salt water flush on the heads. We used the
shower.

Where are you?



Fair Winds,



Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





_____

From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of asm283
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse



Hi Eric

How are you. I read with intrest about this grounding strap in the
bildge. I did not know that it was even there. I will need to check
and see what condition its in. What did you look for and how can
you
tell if it needs replacement. Does Amel sell a replacement?

By the way to the surprise of most people who make the Panama to
Galapagos trip its a windward bash as the prevailing winds are on
the
nose. But the trip from The Galapagos to the Marquesas can be
magical. Wanderer in 2005 had steady trade winds from the SE at 15
to
25 knots the entire way, got up to 35 for the last day. I did use
the
mizzen staysail quite a bit on that trip. Not only did it add a
knot
of boat speed but it steadied the boat and virtually stopped the
rolling. With that sail up we crossed from Isabella island to Hiva
Oa
in 16 1/2 days. A time not matched by any other similar size boat
that I know of.

Fair Winds

Vito Ciaravino
Wanderer
ASM 283

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, eric <kimberlite@> wrote:

Dear Bill & Judy,

Thanks for the info.

Have a safe passage.

If conditions are right, try using the genoa and mizzen ballooner.

Fair Winds,

Eric







_____

From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%
40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svbebe
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:41 AM
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse



Eric,

All we had was a 1/2" bit and it was too small. We had to work
the
bit
in the hole to enlarge it. The new strap is 1/8" copper and drills
easily. Unfortunately I did not measure the keel bolt, just made
the
hole big enough by comparing it to the nut. My guess is that 3/4"
will
do.

A couple of hints:

* You will need several 1/2" drive extensions to reach the nut. I
think I had 2 - 12" and 1 - 8" extensions
* Place some masking tape inside the socket to bind the nut...that
way the nut comes up or goes down with the socket.
* Since I did first this job I found some copper wire lug bolts.
Let
me describe these: They look like a copper bolt and nut; except,
excluding the head, the bolt is split down the length of the
bolt. I
used 2 of these. Drill a hole for bolt in the new strap and push
the
bolt through the hole...now push the clean bare ends of the wires
through the space in the bolt. Tighten the nut on the bolt and
you
will
have an all copper connection.
We are on the Pacific side of the Canal and departing for the
Galapagos
tomorrow...If there is anything else, let me know today as I will
be
without Internet for some time.

Best,

Bill with Judy
Cruising on s/v BeBe SM2 #387

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "eric freedman" <kimberlite@>
wrote:

Hi,
how large is the hole that you drilled in the end of the bilge
grounding strap to acomodate the keel bolt?
I am headed off to the carib to replace it and want to make
sure i
have the right size drill bit.
Thanks
eric
sm376 likberlite













Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse

asm283 <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Eric

Not everyone has a great passage. You dont get strong winds, what you
do get is light to no wind with the normal trade wind swell. Makes
for very unconfortable conditions. We are in NZ. Will stay here for a
few years. Thanks for the info on the strap.
Where are you.

Vito

--- In amelyachtowners@..., eric <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Vito,

Ian of Pen Azen mentioned that amazing passage.



With respect to the ground strap, I was not the first to discover
the
problem. It runs along the forward end of the wet bilge and is
bolted to the
keel bolt in the bottom of the wet bilge. There is a great photo
with
dimensions posted in the photos by JJrouse2000. I believe this
rotted out
strap caused my manifold failure, I had one made in stainless in St
Martin
for $300- US. I plan to install it next week. It looks like a
simple job.
The only thing that was rotted in the manifold was the A/C pump
tap. . It
looked like Swiss cheese when I cleaned it up. I would check it.

If you do, make sure you have some epoxy putty handy. Otherwise, no
A/c, no
watermaker, and no salt water flush on the heads. We used the
shower.

Where are you?



Fair Winds,



Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





_____

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of asm283
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse



Hi Eric

How are you. I read with intrest about this grounding strap in the
bildge. I did not know that it was even there. I will need to check
and see what condition its in. What did you look for and how can
you
tell if it needs replacement. Does Amel sell a replacement?

By the way to the surprise of most people who make the Panama to
Galapagos trip its a windward bash as the prevailing winds are on
the
nose. But the trip from The Galapagos to the Marquesas can be
magical. Wanderer in 2005 had steady trade winds from the SE at 15
to
25 knots the entire way, got up to 35 for the last day. I did use
the
mizzen staysail quite a bit on that trip. Not only did it add a
knot
of boat speed but it steadied the boat and virtually stopped the
rolling. With that sail up we crossed from Isabella island to Hiva
Oa
in 16 1/2 days. A time not matched by any other similar size boat
that I know of.

Fair Winds

Vito Ciaravino
Wanderer
ASM 283

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, eric <kimberlite@> wrote:

Dear Bill & Judy,

Thanks for the info.

Have a safe passage.

If conditions are right, try using the genoa and mizzen ballooner.

Fair Winds,

Eric







_____

From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%
40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svbebe
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:41 AM
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse



Eric,

All we had was a 1/2" bit and it was too small. We had to work
the
bit
in the hole to enlarge it. The new strap is 1/8" copper and drills
easily. Unfortunately I did not measure the keel bolt, just made
the
hole big enough by comparing it to the nut. My guess is that 3/4"
will
do.

A couple of hints:

* You will need several 1/2" drive extensions to reach the nut. I
think I had 2 - 12" and 1 - 8" extensions
* Place some masking tape inside the socket to bind the nut...that
way the nut comes up or goes down with the socket.
* Since I did first this job I found some copper wire lug bolts.
Let
me describe these: They look like a copper bolt and nut; except,
excluding the head, the bolt is split down the length of the
bolt. I
used 2 of these. Drill a hole for bolt in the new strap and push
the
bolt through the hole...now push the clean bare ends of the wires
through the space in the bolt. Tighten the nut on the bolt and
you
will
have an all copper connection.
We are on the Pacific side of the Canal and departing for the
Galapagos
tomorrow...If there is anything else, let me know today as I will
be
without Internet for some time.

Best,

Bill with Judy
Cruising on s/v BeBe SM2 #387

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "eric freedman" <kimberlite@>
wrote:

Hi,
how large is the hole that you drilled in the end of the bilge
grounding strap to acomodate the keel bolt?
I am headed off to the carib to replace it and want to make
sure i
have the right size drill bit.
Thanks
eric
sm376 likberlite
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse

eric freedman
 

Hi Vito,

Ian of Pen Azen mentioned that amazing passage.



With respect to the ground strap, I was not the first to discover the
problem. It runs along the forward end of the wet bilge and is bolted to the
keel bolt in the bottom of the wet bilge. There is a great photo with
dimensions posted in the photos by JJrouse2000. I believe this rotted out
strap caused my manifold failure, I had one made in stainless in St Martin
for $300- US. I plan to install it next week. It looks like a simple job.
The only thing that was rotted in the manifold was the A/C pump tap. . It
looked like Swiss cheese when I cleaned it up. I would check it.

If you do, make sure you have some epoxy putty handy. Otherwise, no A/c, no
watermaker, and no salt water flush on the heads. We used the shower.

Where are you?



Fair Winds,



Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





_____

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of asm283
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse



Hi Eric

How are you. I read with intrest about this grounding strap in the
bildge. I did not know that it was even there. I will need to check
and see what condition its in. What did you look for and how can you
tell if it needs replacement. Does Amel sell a replacement?

By the way to the surprise of most people who make the Panama to
Galapagos trip its a windward bash as the prevailing winds are on the
nose. But the trip from The Galapagos to the Marquesas can be
magical. Wanderer in 2005 had steady trade winds from the SE at 15 to
25 knots the entire way, got up to 35 for the last day. I did use the
mizzen staysail quite a bit on that trip. Not only did it add a knot
of boat speed but it steadied the boat and virtually stopped the
rolling. With that sail up we crossed from Isabella island to Hiva Oa
in 16 1/2 days. A time not matched by any other similar size boat
that I know of.

Fair Winds

Vito Ciaravino
Wanderer
ASM 283

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, eric <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Dear Bill & Judy,

Thanks for the info.

Have a safe passage.

If conditions are right, try using the genoa and mizzen ballooner.

Fair Winds,

Eric







_____

From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svbebe
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:41 AM
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse



Eric,

All we had was a 1/2" bit and it was too small. We had to work the
bit
in the hole to enlarge it. The new strap is 1/8" copper and drills
easily. Unfortunately I did not measure the keel bolt, just made the
hole big enough by comparing it to the nut. My guess is that 3/4"
will
do.

A couple of hints:

* You will need several 1/2" drive extensions to reach the nut. I
think I had 2 - 12" and 1 - 8" extensions
* Place some masking tape inside the socket to bind the nut...that
way the nut comes up or goes down with the socket.
* Since I did first this job I found some copper wire lug bolts. Let
me describe these: They look like a copper bolt and nut; except,
excluding the head, the bolt is split down the length of the bolt. I
used 2 of these. Drill a hole for bolt in the new strap and push the
bolt through the hole...now push the clean bare ends of the wires
through the space in the bolt. Tighten the nut on the bolt and you
will
have an all copper connection.
We are on the Pacific side of the Canal and departing for the
Galapagos
tomorrow...If there is anything else, let me know today as I will be
without Internet for some time.

Best,

Bill with Judy
Cruising on s/v BeBe SM2 #387

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "eric freedman" <kimberlite@>
wrote:

Hi,
how large is the hole that you drilled in the end of the bilge
grounding strap to acomodate the keel bolt?
I am headed off to the carib to replace it and want to make sure i
have the right size drill bit.
Thanks
eric
sm376 likberlite








[Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse

asm283 <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Eric

How are you. I read with intrest about this grounding strap in the
bildge. I did not know that it was even there. I will need to check
and see what condition its in. What did you look for and how can you
tell if it needs replacement. Does Amel sell a replacement?

By the way to the surprise of most people who make the Panama to
Galapagos trip its a windward bash as the prevailing winds are on the
nose. But the trip from The Galapagos to the Marquesas can be
magical. Wanderer in 2005 had steady trade winds from the SE at 15 to
25 knots the entire way, got up to 35 for the last day. I did use the
mizzen staysail quite a bit on that trip. Not only did it add a knot
of boat speed but it steadied the boat and virtually stopped the
rolling. With that sail up we crossed from Isabella island to Hiva Oa
in 16 1/2 days. A time not matched by any other similar size boat
that I know of.

Fair Winds

Vito Ciaravino
Wanderer
ASM 283

--- In amelyachtowners@..., eric <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Dear Bill & Judy,

Thanks for the info.

Have a safe passage.

If conditions are right, try using the genoa and mizzen ballooner.

Fair Winds,

Eric







_____

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of svbebe
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:41 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse



Eric,

All we had was a 1/2" bit and it was too small. We had to work the
bit
in the hole to enlarge it. The new strap is 1/8" copper and drills
easily. Unfortunately I did not measure the keel bolt, just made the
hole big enough by comparing it to the nut. My guess is that 3/4"
will
do.

A couple of hints:

* You will need several 1/2" drive extensions to reach the nut. I
think I had 2 - 12" and 1 - 8" extensions
* Place some masking tape inside the socket to bind the nut...that
way the nut comes up or goes down with the socket.
* Since I did first this job I found some copper wire lug bolts. Let
me describe these: They look like a copper bolt and nut; except,
excluding the head, the bolt is split down the length of the bolt. I
used 2 of these. Drill a hole for bolt in the new strap and push the
bolt through the hole...now push the clean bare ends of the wires
through the space in the bolt. Tighten the nut on the bolt and you
will
have an all copper connection.
We are on the Pacific side of the Canal and departing for the
Galapagos
tomorrow...If there is anything else, let me know today as I will be
without Internet for some time.

Best,

Bill with Judy
Cruising on s/v BeBe SM2 #387

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "eric freedman" <kimberlite@>
wrote:

Hi,
how large is the hole that you drilled in the end of the bilge
grounding strap to acomodate the keel bolt?
I am headed off to the carib to replace it and want to make sure i
have the right size drill bit.
Thanks
eric
sm376 likberlite
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse

eric freedman
 

Dear Bill & Judy,

Thanks for the info.

Have a safe passage.

If conditions are right, try using the genoa and mizzen ballooner.

Fair Winds,

Eric







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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of svbebe
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:41 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse



Eric,

All we had was a 1/2" bit and it was too small. We had to work the bit
in the hole to enlarge it. The new strap is 1/8" copper and drills
easily. Unfortunately I did not measure the keel bolt, just made the
hole big enough by comparing it to the nut. My guess is that 3/4" will
do.

A couple of hints:

* You will need several 1/2" drive extensions to reach the nut. I
think I had 2 - 12" and 1 - 8" extensions
* Place some masking tape inside the socket to bind the nut...that
way the nut comes up or goes down with the socket.
* Since I did first this job I found some copper wire lug bolts. Let
me describe these: They look like a copper bolt and nut; except,
excluding the head, the bolt is split down the length of the bolt. I
used 2 of these. Drill a hole for bolt in the new strap and push the
bolt through the hole...now push the clean bare ends of the wires
through the space in the bolt. Tighten the nut on the bolt and you will
have an all copper connection.
We are on the Pacific side of the Canal and departing for the Galapagos
tomorrow...If there is anything else, let me know today as I will be
without Internet for some time.

Best,

Bill with Judy
Cruising on s/v BeBe SM2 #387

--- In amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "eric freedman" <kimberlite@...>
wrote:


Hi,
how large is the hole that you drilled in the end of the bilge
grounding strap to acomodate the keel bolt?
I am headed off to the carib to replace it and want to make sure i
have the right size drill bit.
Thanks
eric
sm376 likberlite


Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse

svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

There are photos and specs of the replacement ground strap in an album
titled Bilge - Ground Strap at
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/browse/d3f4

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe SM2 #387


Re: Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse

svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

All we had was a 1/2" bit and it was too small. We had to work the bit
in the hole to enlarge it. The new strap is 1/8" copper and drills
easily. Unfortunately I did not measure the keel bolt, just made the
hole big enough by comparing it to the nut. My guess is that 3/4" will
do.

A couple of hints:

* You will need several 1/2" drive extensions to reach the nut. I
think I had 2 - 12" and 1 - 8" extensions
* Place some masking tape inside the socket to bind the nut...that
way the nut comes up or goes down with the socket.
* Since I did first this job I found some copper wire lug bolts. Let
me describe these: They look like a copper bolt and nut; except,
excluding the head, the bolt is split down the length of the bolt. I
used 2 of these. Drill a hole for bolt in the new strap and push the
bolt through the hole...now push the clean bare ends of the wires
through the space in the bolt. Tighten the nut on the bolt and you will
have an all copper connection.
We are on the Pacific side of the Canal and departing for the Galapagos
tomorrow...If there is anything else, let me know today as I will be
without Internet for some time.

Best,

Bill with Judy
Cruising on s/v BeBe SM2 #387

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "eric freedman" <kimberlite@...>
wrote:

Hi,
how large is the hole that you drilled in the end of the bilge
grounding strap to acomodate the keel bolt?
I am headed off to the carib to replace it and want to make sure i
have the right size drill bit.
Thanks
eric
sm376 likberlite


Bilge Grounding strap jrjrjrrouse

eric freedman
 

Hi,
how large is the hole that you drilled in the end of the bilge
grounding strap to acomodate the keel bolt?
I am headed off to the carib to replace it and want to make sure i
have the right size drill bit.
Thanks
eric
sm376 likberlite


SM aft cabin vanity

john martin <symoondog@...>
 

Two photos are posted now in our Moon Dog folder, I guess we forgot to post them before. The camera flash makes it appear that the new section is much lighter than the rest of the paneling. In reality it matches quite well, except we never got around to staining the oak trim edging (around each new cabinet door) to match the Amel doors. A project for another day...
Regards, John


To: amelyachtowners@...: kimberlite@...: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:24:14 -0400Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] 2 topics: Algae-X and the SM aft cabin vanity

John,I could not find your vanity photos.would you please direct me to them.thanksEricAmel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite-----Original Message-----From: amelyachtowners@...[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of john martinSent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 4:11 PMTo: amelyachtowners@...: [Amel Yacht Owners] 2 topics: Algae-X and the SM aft cabin vanityI'd like to thank the gentleman on this net who wrote a few years ago about installing an Algae-X fuel filter in his SM to eliminate the constant black streak problem from the engine exhaust. I bought one a year ago and have not had to clean the side of the boat since. I don't know how it works, butyou just install it and forget about it, absolutely no maintenance. The best $170 I ever spent !I also want to offer a belated response to emails some time ago about the aft cabin vanity. We never used the vanity and it occupies a lot of volume so we decided to make a cabinet out of it. See photos on this site in our folder "Moon Dog". The little seat removes very easily (and can be reinstalled easily as well). We put one shelf inside, made of 16" deep household variety plastic coated wire shelving) that rests on the conduit ridge molded into the hull and is screwed to the existing bulkheads. The cabinet front is just a pices of varnished mahogany plywood, with 2 doors similar in style to the Amel doors (although we need to stain the edging dark to match the rest of the boat). We left the carpet in and the cabinet front is screwed in on each side through the existing bulkheads. All our "improvements" can be easily removed if needed. My wife loves it as it is alarge cabinet that can hold bulky items such as linens, blankets, and many, many pairs of shoes as well.We also installed some very simple "book bars" in the cabin "cubbyholes". We got tired of all the books dumping out whenever we had a somewhat rolly passage ! See photos on this site in our folder.John MartinMoon Dog SM #248__________________________________________________________Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN Presents today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline&ocid=T002MSN03A07001Yahoo! Groups Links






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Re: Liferaft, Locker or Cradle?

joseph mc donnell
 

Hi All
Thanks guys for your quick replies. I probably should have told you
all that the liferaft is a 10 man cannister (big bugger),which came of
our last cruiser (a bendy toy). I can see that a lot of thought has
gone into this problem in the past. Im in agreement with a lot of
suggestions. I came to the same solution as Bill and raised the
canister to just under the lip (beer bottle crates cut to size) . We
all know about the benifits of a little bit of fear on your strength.
The practiced timed launch suggested by Robin sounds like a good idea,
especially for inexperienced crew. I think that hoisting out the
liferaft using the boom should be forgotten about. Its a lot of weight
that can take off across the cockpit, in a rough sea, if attached to
the boom. I do'nt think that Eric spot on the rail would be suitable
for our liferaft considering the weight. This I belive leaves two
options either on the deck or beside the aft steps outside the rail.
This leads to the next question, is reinforcement required to the deck.
Thanks again, Its good to have answers for club members.
Yours Joe McDonnell


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 2 topics: Algae-X and the SM aft cabin vanity

eric freedman
 

John,
I could not find your vanity photos.
would you please direct me to them.
thanks
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

-----Original Message-----
From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of john martin
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 4:11 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] 2 topics: Algae-X and the SM aft cabin vanity

I'd like to thank the gentleman on this net who wrote a few years ago about
installing an Algae-X fuel filter in his SM to eliminate the constant black
streak problem from the engine exhaust. I bought one a year ago and have
not had to clean the side of the boat since. I don't know how it works, but

you just install it and forget about it, absolutely no maintenance. The
best $170 I ever spent !

I also want to offer a belated response to emails some time ago about the
aft cabin vanity. We never used the vanity and it occupies a lot of volume
so we decided to make a cabinet out of it. See photos on this site in our
folder "Moon Dog". The little seat removes very easily (and can be
reinstalled easily as well). We put one shelf inside, made of 16" deep
household variety plastic coated wire shelving) that rests on the conduit
ridge molded into the hull and is screwed to the existing bulkheads. The
cabinet front is just a pices of varnished mahogany plywood, with 2 doors
similar in style to the Amel doors (although we need to stain the edging
dark to match the rest of the boat). We left the carpet in and the cabinet
front is screwed in on each side through the existing bulkheads. All our
"improvements" can be easily removed if needed. My wife loves it as it is a

large cabinet that can hold bulky items such as linens, blankets, and many,
many pairs of shoes as well.

We also installed some very simple "book bars" in the cabin "cubbyholes".
We got tired of all the books dumping out whenever we had a somewhat rolly
passage ! See photos on this site in our folder.

John Martin
Moon Dog SM #248

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Liferaft, Locker or Deck Cradle?

svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Judy and I are cruising and need to be able to carry extra fuel in
Jerry Cans. We found a 18.9 liter Jerry Can that we are able to fit
10 into the "Liferaft Locker." We placed the liferaft into the port
lazerette to give us storage for the 10 Jerry Cans and because we also
struggled with the removal of the liferaft from its locker.

Here is an alternate idea for you. Had we not needed the storage
space for the diesel, we were considering storing some seldom used
items at the bottom of the liferaft locker raising the level of the
liferaft. I believe if it were just under the hatch, all of your
concerns would be satisfied.

Best,

Bill & Judy Rouse
s/v BeBe SM2 #387

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Robin Cooter <robincooter@...>
wrote:

After we purchased our Santorin and before we made a trans-atlantic
crossing we meticulously checked out all our safety gear. The
liferaft, in a valise, was stowed in the "liferaft locker" midships on
the port side. We made a dummy run to "launch" it. We used the
eye under the mast to rig a a block and tackle to lift the liferaft
(we had struggled to lift it manually through the opening.) Rigging
the tackle was very quick but the problem was that the valise would
not go through the opening. After about 15 minutes we managed to
work it through. Balancing the conditions in which it might be used
v the adrenalin rush from the emergency we decided to repace he valise
(which was 10 years old but still certificated.) with a canister which
is stowed in a quick release mount outside the rails on the port side
aft. The only problems we have had with this arrangement is that it
has at times caught on posts, protrusions from docks and the like. We
have a fender on the
outboard side of the liferaft and as such we have never suffered
anything worthy of entering in the log!

The message has to be try a timed launch with a crew who have had
nothing other than a normal safety briefing and see if the result is
acceptable to you.

Regards,

Robin Cooter,
Santorin 004, Belouga.

joemac4sail <joemac4sail@...> wrote:

The question of where the liferaft should be positioned on our club
owned Santorin has arisen. It has been suggested that it would be
better if the liferaft was mounted on the rail or deck. Personally I'm
of the opinion that if it ain't broken don't fix it and for the last
thing I would want to abandon, to get into a liferaft, is an Amel. But
the suggestion has come from a respected club member with vast sea
experience,and as it is a club boat with various levels of
experience,this suggestion has to be evaluated. As we are new to the
Amel Family (3 years now and enjoying it thoroughly), I hope that the
vast experience out there will come to my aid. The Club is called The
East Coast Garda Sailing Club based in Dun Laoire, Ireland. We are
basically a group of people with an interest in sailing who got
together to do a bit of cruising during the summer and day sailing
during the winter on the Santorin "Khamsin B" We also are involved
racing on our other boat. The purchase of Khamsin as you can immagine
has extended out our horisons big time, but with that comes the safety
factor.
Looking forward to reading your suggestions.
Joe McDonnell






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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Liferaft, Locker or Deck Cradle?

Robin Cooter <robincooter@...>
 

After we purchased our Santorin and before we made a trans-atlantic crossing we meticulously checked out all our safety gear. The liferaft, in a valise, was stowed in the "liferaft locker" midships on the port side. We made a dummy run to "launch" it. We used the eye under the mast to rig a a block and tackle to lift the liferaft (we had struggled to lift it manually through the opening.) Rigging the tackle was very quick but the problem was that the valise would not go through the opening. After about 15 minutes we managed to work it through. Balancing the conditions in which it might be used v the adrenalin rush from the emergency we decided to repace he valise (which was 10 years old but still certificated.) with a canister which is stowed in a quick release mount outside the rails on the port side aft. The only problems we have had with this arrangement is that it has at times caught on posts, protrusions from docks and the like. We have a fender on the
outboard side of the liferaft and as such we have never suffered anything worthy of entering in the log!

The message has to be try a timed launch with a crew who have had nothing other than a normal safety briefing and see if the result is acceptable to you.

Regards,

Robin Cooter,
Santorin 004, Belouga.

joemac4sail <joemac4sail@...> wrote:

The question of where the liferaft should be positioned on our club
owned Santorin has arisen. It has been suggested that it would be
better if the liferaft was mounted on the rail or deck. Personally I'm
of the opinion that if it ain't broken don't fix it and for the last
thing I would want to abandon, to get into a liferaft, is an Amel. But
the suggestion has come from a respected club member with vast sea
experience,and as it is a club boat with various levels of
experience,this suggestion has to be evaluated. As we are new to the
Amel Family (3 years now and enjoying it thoroughly), I hope that the
vast experience out there will come to my aid. The Club is called The
East Coast Garda Sailing Club based in Dun Laoire, Ireland. We are
basically a group of people with an interest in sailing who got
together to do a bit of cruising during the summer and day sailing
during the winter on the Santorin "Khamsin B" We also are involved
racing on our other boat. The purchase of Khamsin as you can immagine
has extended out our horisons big time, but with that comes the safety
factor.
Looking forward to reading your suggestions.
Joe McDonnell






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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Liferaft, Locker or Deck Cradle?

eric freedman
 

I think the liferaft is in a good spot.

I believe if it is mounted on the rail or the deck, it will suffer more
abuse. Many life rafts are not made to be hung off a rail.



More importantly, the weight. On my last boat, I had a Jordan series drogue
in an aft locker. It took two of us to push and kick the 100-pound drogue
into the locker. When I was in 50-70 plus knots and needed it, I pulled it
out with one hand.

You would be very surprised how strong you get in a disaster.



Incidentally, it worked fantastically and I had one made for Kimberlite and
keep it in the port locker. I believe it is the best drag device on the
market.

Fair Winds,

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of WILLIAM KLEIN
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 3:03 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Liferaft, Locker or Deck Cradle?



In my opinion an liferaft in a locker may be useless in an emergency
situation. To lift a raft out of a locker may be very difficult in storm
conditions. I know mine was hard to remove from the lazerette when I was at
a dock! When I replace mine it would be with a deck mounted cannister . --
Bill Klein - SV Popeye
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The question of where the liferaft should be positioned on our club
owned Santorin has arisen. It has been suggested that it would be
better if the liferaft was mounted on the rail or deck. Personally I'm
of the opinion that if it ain't broken don't fix it and for the last
thing I would want to abandon, to get into a liferaft, is an Amel. But
the suggestion has come from a respected club member with vast sea
experience,and as it is a club boat with various levels of
experience,this suggestion has to be evaluated. As we are new to the
Amel Family (3 years now and enjoying it thoroughly), I hope that the
vast experience out there will come to my aid. The Club is called The
East Coast Garda Sailing Club based in Dun Laoire, Ireland. We are
basically a group of people with an interest in sailing who got
together to do a bit of cruising during the summer and day sailing
during the winter on the Santorin "Khamsin B" We also are involved
racing on our other boat. The purchase of Khamsin as you can immagine
has extended out our horisons big time, but with that comes the safety
factor.
Looking forward to reading your suggestions.
Joe McDonnell


prop upgrade

amel46met
 

To the group: I am Tom Deasy, owner of the 1983 Amel Maramu
"Aphrodite" located in Santa Cruz, California. I am thinking of
upgrading from a fixed to a feathering/folding prop, possibly a
"Max-Prop". My concern is that I have a shaft alternator which I would
like to continue to use and I assume this may limit my choice of
props. Any information or opinions on the many choices of props now
available would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Tom & Mary Ellen