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Water maker electric motor removal

pjn.mccallin@...
 

Write a can anyone help me please. My 220 volt motor needs to be removed, looking down on the unit it seems to be secured to the motor housing/board by four nuts. My problem is that one can only get two two of the nuts so making it impossible to actually remove the electric motor. Could it be that I have to remove the whole unit eg 220 volt motor, pump, 24volt motor in order to get to the 220volt motor?...
I am hoping that there is a simple solution that I am overlooking?
Any pearls of wisdom much appreciated 
Patrick
Caramelle
Duo D60 dessalator
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Seafood party in Martinique

Dan Carlson
 

Thanks Jeff, 

Lori and I will look forward to meeting you then.  We are on pontoon#4 now, just down from you and right next to Cream  Puff.

Best regards,  Dan & Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387


On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 5:10 PM, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

Best to You and Peg.
Jeff
Spirit Amel 54 #14


On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 01:30 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Having been a dinner guest of Jeff's in WPB, I wouldn't miss this if I could get there!


Our best regards to Jeff!

Duane & Peg
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gasket for Hatches

karkauai
 

Thank you Gabriele! 

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243

On Jan 13, 2018, at 16:43, Gabriele Antolini svsunnyside@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi,
The gaskets for Goiot Tradition are trapezoidal (14 at the base , 12 at the top and 10 mm high)
Google Rig-Rite then Goiot hatch parts, then Tradition hatch parts, and finally Gaskets for Tradition Hatches.

Gabriele
S/V Sunny Side
Maramu #219



From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, 13 January 2018, 15:36
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gasket for Hatches

 
Thanks Pat.  Does anybody else have the specs or a profile picture of the Goiot Tradition hatch gaskets?

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243

Kent, It was so flattened out that I did not notice or even looked.
Sorry,
Pat SM #123




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gasket for Hatches

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Yes, the Goiot Hatch gaskets are trapezoidal and the Port gaskets are 10mm round.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gasket for Hatches

svsunnyside
 

Hi,
The gaskets for Goiot Tradition are trapezoidal (14 at the base , 12 at the top and 10 mm high)
Google Rig-Rite then Goiot hatch parts, then Tradition hatch parts, and finally Gaskets for Tradition Hatches.

Gabriele
S/V Sunny Side
Maramu #219



From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, 13 January 2018, 15:36
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gasket for Hatches

 
Thanks Pat.  Does anybody else have the specs or a profile picture of the Goiot Tradition hatch gaskets?

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243

Kent, It was so flattened out that I did not notice or even looked.
Sorry,
Pat SM #123




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Seafood party in Martinique

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Generator charging question

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Steve,

I think it depends on where you connect (USA or EU type power), what you currently have (OEM or Modified), which model of Amel you have, and who you choose to listen to.🤔

Does that give you a simple takeaway from all of this?😉 

If not, me a private email and together we will come up with the best solution for where you are and where you intend to go to.😀

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gasket for Hatches

karkauai
 

Thanks Pat.  Does anybody else have the specs or a profile picture of the Goiot Tradition hatch gaskets?

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243

Kent, It was so flattened out that I did not notice or even looked.
Sorry,
Pat SM #123


Re: Seafood party in Martinique

Duane Siegfri
 

Having been a dinner guest of Jeff's in WPB, I wouldn't miss this if I could get there!

Our best regards to Jeff!

Duane & Peg
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Seafood party in Martinique

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Generator charging question

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi chuck; my personal approach would be not to change the factory installed wire sizing. Two reasons; 
1- I believe all systems on Amels were designed with specific logic that have proven themselves over time
2- there may be consequences to changes that we cannot anticipate.

We are able to run all systems on board our 54 on a 16A supply source without much inconvenience, by monitoring the power usage on board. My recommendation would be to add the power meter recommended by Bill of AmelSchool.com or a similar device in a location that is visible. After a while of monitoring, you will have a good feel of current draw by each system and know which ones can be run simultaneously.

Again on our 54, the main breaker at the panel is rated at 50A while the shore power breaker on the aft lazarette is rated at 32A.

Respectfully;


Mohammad &Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Jan 12, 2018, at 12:55 PM, Chuck Lacey clacey9@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I should be an expert by now reading through two days worth of posts. But here is my simple question and takeaway from all this. If i choose to install a breaker right inside the lazz to protect the original shore cord would I use a 15 or 20 amp breaker. Or just monitor amperage. Or replace cord that can handle 30 amps as that is the breaker into 220v panel?

Chuck
SM2K #388 Joy

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,
Thank you for that data sheet.  I had not discovered it before.  It contains one piece of info that is new: the temperature rating is 85°C.  That means, by the ABYC chart, that its current rating is somewhere between 15-23A.  I guess the system really is designed for 16A shore power.  I have been overloading it... all the more reason I need to upgrade!  I apologize to anyone who I misled with my incomplete information.

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:13 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Ryan,


This looks like your cable...


Nothing new there you haven't already figured out...


Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Grand Bahama Is.




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Generator charging question

greatketch@...
 

Chuck,

The original Amel shore power system was designed to carry a maximum of 16 amps at 220V.  If the world was perfect, we would only ever plug into 220V shore power supplies that had 16 amp breakers in them, and we'd be protected inside and outside the boat.  The world is not perfect.

To be rigorous about it, a breaker on the boat does not absolutely protect the shore power cord, since there COULD be a short circuit in the cord upstream of the breaker, but it is much better than nothing.

In French wiring, the usual breakers are 5, 10, 16, and 32 amps.

In USA wiring standard breakers are 7.5, 15, 20, 30 and 50 amps.

If you connect to USA 50 amp shore power supply, you would be best to use a double pole breaker since you would want BOTH hot wires to break in case of a problem.

Assuming your wiring is identical with the original standard factory install, If you can, the best breaker to use for shore power would be a European 16 amp double pole breaker.  Second best would be a American 15 amp double pole breaker for ~7% less available power.

Bill Kinney
Sm160, Hamonie
Grand Bahama Is.


---In amelyachtowners@..., <clacey9@...> wrote :

I should be an expert by now reading through two days worth of posts. But here is my simple question and takeaway from all this. If i choose to install a breaker right inside the lazz to protect the original shore cord would I use a 15 or 20 amp breaker. Or just monitor amperage. Or replace cord that can handle 30 amps as that is the breaker into 220v panel?

Chuck
SM2K #388 Joy



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gasket for Hatches

Patrick McAneny
 

Kent, It was so flattened out that I did not notice or even looked.
Sorry,
Pat SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 5:56 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gasket for Hatches

 
Thanks Pat.  I'm still in Ft Lauderdale and can get them shipped to me here.

Was the original gasket hollow in cross section?  I read somewhere here that it was a trapezoidal shaped gasket.

Hi to Diane!

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Generator charging question

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

I should be an expert by now reading through two days worth of posts. But here is my simple question and takeaway from all this. If i choose to install a breaker right inside the lazz to protect the original shore cord would I use a 15 or 20 amp breaker. Or just monitor amperage. Or replace cord that can handle 30 amps as that is the breaker into 220v panel?

Chuck
SM2K #388 Joy

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,
Thank you for that data sheet.  I had not discovered it before.  It contains one piece of info that is new: the temperature rating is 85°C.  That means, by the ABYC chart, that its current rating is somewhere between 15-23A.  I guess the system really is designed for 16A shore power.  I have been overloading it... all the more reason I need to upgrade!  I apologize to anyone who I misled with my incomplete information.

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:13 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Ryan,


This looks like your cable...


Nothing new there you haven't already figured out...


Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Grand Bahama Is.




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Generator charging question

Ryan Meador
 

Hi Bill,
Thank you for that data sheet.  I had not discovered it before.  It contains one piece of info that is new: the temperature rating is 85°C.  That means, by the ABYC chart, that its current rating is somewhere between 15-23A.  I guess the system really is designed for 16A shore power.  I have been overloading it... all the more reason I need to upgrade!  I apologize to anyone who I misled with my incomplete information.

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:13 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ryan,


This looks like your cable...


Nothing new there you haven't already figured out...


Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Grand Bahama Is.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Generator charging question

greatketch@...
 

Ryan,

This looks like your cable: 


Nothing you have not already figured out...

Bill Kinney
SM160,  Harmonie
Grand Bahama Is.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Generator charging question

greatketch@...
 

Ryan,

This looks like your cable...


Nothing new there you haven't already figured out...


Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Grand Bahama Is.


Re: 24 Volt Outlet

Duane Siegfri
 

Thanks Bill R!


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Generator charging question

Ryan Meador
 

Hi Eric,
The cable reads "Silec Tenaflex SR 3G2.5mm2 USE H07 RNF 221".  That seems to pretty clearly mean the conductors are 2.5 sq mm, though if you think differently, please let me know.  This corresponds to approximately 13AWG, as you say.  The chart you linked does not list current limits, but the one I linked earlier does (if you fix the link. Yahoo seems to enjoy adding extra dots; it did the same for yours the first time).  I have not been able to divine the temperature rating of the wire, but 105°C does not seem unreasonable given the manufacturer claims it's good for high temperature environments (I contacted them early this week but haven't heard back).  Thus, I conclude from the table it rated for 26A under ABYC standards.  I do not know why this would be more permissive than USA building code, but I wonder if it might have something to do with the temperature rating.  I haven't been able to find a solid source for the temperature rating of Romex, but it sounds like it might be 60°C.

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:36 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ryan are you meaning 2.5 mm diameter cable this is 10 gauge.  2.5 sq (cross section ) is something like 13 USA gauge.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 10:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Generator charging question

 

 

My shore power cable has 2.5 sq mm conductors, according to the printing on the jacket.  This ABYC wire sizing chart suggests the maximum current for a cable of 3 conductors of that size is 26A.  I was under the impression it's rated for 35A because when I plug in the relevant info into the ABYC wire size calculator app, it says "10AWG or 2.5 sq mm"...  But apparently the metric value is calculated according to ISO, not ABYC, standards.  So at least somebody thinks it's rated for that..  I haven't been able to figure out what standard the app is referring to as "ISO", so I have no idea if that's something safe to rely on.  I guess I'll have be more careful about my usage than I thought!  Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

 

Ryan

SM 233 Iteration

Boston, MA, USA

 

 

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 3:01 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

The variable start timer is a standard feature on most small marine AC units where the manufacturer would reasonably expect more than one unit to be installed on a boat.

 

If you have multiple AC units that are starting at the same time, dig into the manual.  You will most likely find a way to alter the timing so they stagger-start when powered up at the same time.

 

Climmia, Cruiseair, and MarinAire--among others--have this feature.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Grand Bahama Is.

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Generator charging question

eric freedman
 

Ryan are you meaning 2.5 mm diameter cable this is 10 gauge.  2.5 sq (cross section ) is something like 13 USA gauge.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 10:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Generator charging question

 

 

My shore power cable has 2.5 sq mm conductors, according to the printing on the jacket.  This ABYC wire sizing chart suggests the maximum current for a cable of 3 conductors of that size is 26A.  I was under the impression it's rated for 35A because when I plug in the relevant info into the ABYC wire size calculator app, it says "10AWG or 2.5 sq mm"...  But apparently the metric value is calculated according to ISO, not ABYC, standards.  So at least somebody thinks it's rated for that.  I haven't been able to figure out what standard the app is referring to as "ISO", so I have no idea if that's something safe to rely on.  I guess I'll have be more careful about my usage than I thought!  Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

 

Ryan

SM 233 Iteration

Boston, MA, USA

 

 

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 3:01 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

The variable start timer is a standard feature on most small marine AC units where the manufacturer would reasonably expect more than one unit to be installed on a boat.

 

If you have multiple AC units that are starting at the same time, dig into the manual.  You will most likely find a way to alter the timing so they stagger-start when powered up at the same time.

 

Climmia, Cruiseair, and MarinAire--among others--have this feature.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Grand Bahama Is.