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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor location suggestions.
Thanks Eric.
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Sorry, the boat info was tiny and hard to see under the photo, but it’s a 54-Hull 152. I do think there is a 230 outlet in the aft Laz port side on a ledge there. I will check to make absolutely certain it’s not a 24v. Where is the 230 outlet in the cockpit locker? I appreciate your help Porter Ibis, Fort Lauderdale 54-152
On Jan 17, 2018, at 12:30 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bamar Amel Upgrade & New Group Member
Re the furlers. Contact PAUL Hrabowski head of Bamar NA.
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I just installed 2 new direct drive units. Fantastic He honored the letter, but again it was October 2017. He seemed very interested in making things right. 1-604-728-7445 he answered this phone number Porter IBIS Amel 54-152.
On Jan 18, 2018, at 9:36 PM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
Hi Gang,
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Like Gary, I’ve installed a diaphragm pump. Mine is a Vetus unit and indeed, it does work well… Jean-Pierre Sy Eleuthera, SM 007, Panama
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Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
I have to say that at first I wasn't too impressed with the 'un-Amel' solution that was installed on Adagio when we got it, but after further review I believe it was a good decision on the part of the P.O. The original pump has been replaced by a 24v Whale Gusher diaphragm mounted about a meter above the full water level. The hose from the pump run straight down into the sump and has check (standard joker) valves both before and after the pump to prevent loss of prime. I installed new jokers in Feb., 2014 and have not had a lick of trouble since. The pump is easily accessible, a rebuild kit is readily available (although I haven't had to rebuild it yet) and it's 'relatively' inexpensive. It probably isn't a fast to pump the bilge as the original one (takes a full minute or so) but it's quiet and I've kind of grown into liking it. Just my 2 cents worth on this kind of project. Gary W. SM 209 Adagio Fethiye, Turkey
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bamar Amel Upgrade & New Group Member
We might be interested in this offer also as we are at the moment shopping for a 54 Year 2007 - please keep us in the loop.
Robin ASM 56 presently Mallorca Von meinem iPad gesendet
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Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
John Clark
Hi Dan,
The technician at Amel in Le Marin (the fellow that used to work with Jean Collin, has been there a while) talked me into buying a spare pump last year. The new pump looks nearly identical to the old one, same manufacturer. I have not used it yet. We are currently cruising full time and the original pump gets a fair bit of run time. It runs for about 15 -30 seconds to drain the gray water sump. I'm not sure which Amel supplied pump you have, but the one that came with my SM (#37) has been good, except for the suction flapper valve becoming misaligned...which I finally fixed with a modification....don't tell Bill R. Anyway the pump that came with my hull seems to be reliable, you might want to see if this version would fit with your layout. Oh and Bill K is right, centrifugal pumps are sensitive to crud in the water. I would not rely on one as the primary water mover. Regards, John SV Annie SM 37 about to sail out of St. Augustine.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bamar Amel Upgrade & New Group Member
Mark & Debbie Mueller
I talked with Paul today, I don't know if it the same program you referenced. He indicated that if he were able to order 5 units or more he would receive substantial savings from Bamar that he would pass along. Could be they are being more restrictive as time passes and want greater numbers to reduce their unit costs??? Greater numbers could be beneficial to everyone. BTW I have no financial interest other than to reduce (selfishly) my overall cost. Hope this works to everyone's benefit.
Mark & Debbie A54 #68, S/V Brass Ring Ft. Lauderdale
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor location suggestions.
John Clark
Hi Porter, just to add to the statistics, our dive compressor is in the aft part of the large portside cockpit bench locker. It is 220v and wired to the "220v Cales" breaker. Same breaker as for 220 outlets in Engine Room. Regards, John SV Annie SM 37 About to sail out of St Augustine....
On Jan 17, 2018 12:18 PM, "Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bamar Amel Upgrade & New Group Member
Mohammad Shirloo
Hello
Mark & Debbie and welcome to the Amel Family.
Bamar
put out a letter in February 2017 that they would replace Amel Bamar furlers
with their new furlers at a reduced cost, if purchased by 12/31/2017. I
made several attempts at contacting them. They would acknowledge receipt of my
e-mails but never received an actual response.
It is
possible that the same offer could be pursued. We would be interested, if they
do provide the original offer. I have a copy of their original
offer.
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099 From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 6:01 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bamar Amel Upgrade & New Group Member
My wife, Debbie, and I are recent purchasers of an A54 #68 currently in Fort Lauderdale. We are pleased to be members of such a dedicated community of people that are willing to help each other. Hopefully we will be able to contribute in the future.
The second reason for the post is that we are planning to take advantage of the Bamar Amel upgrade program. Paul at Bamar USA informed me that if enough people are interested in taking advantage of this program there would be significant cost savings of the furling gear. If you have any interest please email Paul at the following address: “paul at bamarUSA dot com” Mark & Debbie A54 #68, S/V Brass Ring Ft. Lauderdale
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Bamar Amel Upgrade & New Group Member
Mark & Debbie Mueller
My wife, Debbie, and I are recent purchasers of an A54 #68 currently in Fort Lauderdale. We are pleased to be members of such a dedicated community of people that are willing to help each other. Hopefully we will be able to contribute in the future.
The second reason for the post is that we are planning to take advantage of the Bamar Amel upgrade program. Paul at Bamar USA informed me that if enough people are interested in taking advantage of this program there would be significant cost savings of the furling gear. If you have any interest please email Paul at the following address: “paul at bamarUSA dot com” Mark & Debbie A54 #68, S/V Brass Ring Ft. Lauderdale
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
greatketch@...
Don,
The problem with submersible centrifugal pumps like the Rule is they are the type of pump least tolerant of solids. They are best to pump only clean water. Lots of things get into our sumps (which are really gray water sumps, not bilges) that have the potential to cause grief with centrifugal pumps. You might have control over some of these things, by watching what you put down the galley sink for example, but some of the worst is hair from the shower drains that wraps around the shaft above the impeller, eventually stopping the pump from turning. Having an electric pump constantly immersed in water is also a potential source for very serious stray current corrosion--if there is a fault in the insulation or wiring. If you can't source an exact replacement, a Dometic/Sealand T-series discharge pump is a good alternative. Tough, long lasting, and will pump almost anything that can flow through the pipe. Lavac also sells a 24 volt electric diaphragm pump for their vacuum toilets that might be a good choice, but I have no personnel experience with those. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Great Harbor Cay, Bahamas ---In amelyachtowners@..., <dancarlson367@...> wrote : A bilge/sump pump update from BeBe. About 2 weeks after launch in December the installed Marina bilge pump fails due to cracked plastic pump drive gear. (At this time the plastic piece that joins between handle and diaphram on the manual whale also broke). I replaced the Marina electric with the back-up (rebuild of the same model) and bought a new Whale manual (and ordered replacement parts for the broken whale). The replacement Marina pump failed about 3 weeks later (same cracked plastic gear). In the mean time I sent a request to SAV Amel with a picture of the broken gear. They replied that they no longer support the pump? Then I arrived in le Marin and talked to Alban here at Amel. He had a new pump on the shelf and a used one (the used one also had a broken plastic gear). He said he had replacement gears on order from Amel (as they have to replace them several times a year) but no estimated delivery date. With 4 guests arriving this week, I went over to Caribe Marine and purchased a 24v Rule 1100 lph pump off the shelf (56 euro), some short hose, a 90 degree elbow, and a piece to connect the hoses where the missing marina pump had been. And 5 ft of wire to connect to the existing connectors. I was pleasantly surprised with the speed that it empties the sump (comparable), and you can barely hear it. So now i am watching this thread to decide the long term solutuon. A) fix marina pumps if I can get replacement gears? B) pick a suitable reliable alternative, C) buy another case of Rule pumps for the cost of a new Marina pump and see how long they last... Other thoughts? Thanks and regards, Dan & Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.
A bilge/sump pump update from BeBe.
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About 2 weeks after launch in December the installed Marina bilge pump fails due to cracked plastic pump drive gear. (At this time the plastic piece that joins between handle and diaphram on the manual whale also broke). I replaced the Marina electric with the back-up (rebuild of the same model) and bought a new Whale manual (and ordered replacement parts for the broken whale). The replacement Marina pump failed about 3 weeks later (same cracked plastic gear). In the mean time I sent a request to SAV Amel with a picture of the broken gear. They replied that they no longer support the pump? Then I arrived in le Marin and talked to Alban here at Amel. He had a new pump on the shelf and a used one (the used one also had a broken plastic gear). He said he had replacement gears on order from Amel (as they have to replace them several times a year) but no estimated delivery date. With 4 guests arriving this week, I went over to Caribe Marine and purchased a 24v Rule 1100 lph pump off the shelf (56 euro), some short hose, a 90 degree elbow, and a piece to connect the hoses where the missing marina pump had been. And 5 ft of wire to connect to the existing connectors. I was pleasantly surprised with the speed that it empties the sump (comparable), and you can barely hear it. So now i am watching this thread to decide the long term solutuon. A) fix marina pumps if I can get replacement gears? B) pick a suitable reliable alternative, C) buy another case of Rule pumps for the cost of a new Marina pump and see how long they last... Other thoughts? Thanks and regards, Dan & Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387
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Re: Amel Santorin Propeller Question
HI Lisa,
It's been about a month since you sent out your gearbox. Did you get it back and was the problem fixed? What did they do with the gearbox? Craig, SN#68 ---In amelyachtowners@..., <lisallt2@...> wrote : Alan, Thanks so much. I also have an MS25, so it sounds as though we were correct to use 15W40. We've just had a mechanic out to the boat and it turns out that the clutch is gone, so the gearbox is going out as we speak. Thanks again for all of the advice and helpful information. This group really is invaluable! Regards, Lisa s/v Azimuth, Santorin #143
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor location suggestions.
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Hello Porter,
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Here is where it is located in the SM2K. I don’t remember enough of the 54 Cockpit storage to see if it fit. http://www.nikimat.com/scuba_compressor_bauer_junior.html Sincerely, Alexandre --------------------------------------------
On Wed, 1/17/18, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor location suggestions. To: "smiles bernard smilesbernard@..." <amelyachtowners@...> Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018, 11:18 AM I’m wondering if the group has suggestions for the location of a dive compressor.There seems to be a plug in the starboard side aft lazarette, but that puts a lot of weight in the aft, and negates the ability to mount the outboard in the laz.Delos seems to have it in the engine compartment: I guess they took apart a Bauer. I have yet to see if it would fit.I’ve also thought of removing the rather innefectuar dryer and install it forward.Any thoughts or suggestions? Greatly appreciated. Porter Porter McRoberts S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152 Ft. Lauderdale www.fouribis.com portermcroberts@...
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor location suggestions.
James Studdart
Ours is also installed in the big cockpit locker, on sliding rails. I would be very wary of installing the compressor inside anywhere. It needs lots of airflow and generates a lot of heat. Since it needs fresh air to compress, make sure you add a snorkel to it if it’s in any smelly space (engine room, head, etc).
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The compressor has been one of the most wonderful “surprises” our Super Maramu came with. It’s let us dive in some magical places, clean the hull as needed and save bow thruster props and children’s toys... it wasn’t even on my “list” when looking for SeaBean! Cheers, James. SeaBean SM 344 Tahiti
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor location suggestions.
Our SM has a Bauer compressor fitted in the cockpit port locker and yes it is 220VAC.
Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor location suggestions.
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Porter, I think the receptacle that you see in the aft lazarette on your 54 is 24VDC receptacle to accommodate a plug from a dinghy inflation pump. Amel mounted the Bauer dive compressor for a SM and the 54 in the cockpit lazarette, which as you know is valuable space. If I were you, I would remove that clothes dryer in the forward head and mount the Bauer dive compressor there. The Amel installed 220VAC dryer amperage should be close to the amperage of the Bauer Junior. The 2hp Junior draws about 12 amps at 230VAC. That should be close to the amperage of your dryer. You will want to research rubber dampening mounts, and might consider having a wood panel enclosure made. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor location suggestions.
webercardio <webercardio@...>
Hello Porter, I have my Bauer compressor in the middle of the lazarette, fixed with 4 lines at 4 points. I have to wind it up with the halyard and electric winch on the deck for filling up the tanks. So the compressor has a good ventilation to cool and the airinlet is protected from CO/CO2. The compressor is in the lazarett a deeper place of the boat and I can use the cockpit for other things.I would never remove anything or the dryer installed by Amel. If you do not use your compressor on sea or daily , I am very satisfied with my solution. Safe sailing and diving to all Ameliens. Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162 Marina di Ragusa Italy
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor location suggestions.
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
HI, You did not identify what model boat you have. However, if it is a Super Maramu, the factory mounted it in the port cockpit locker. Also, looking at the plug on the compressor it seems to be a 220 volt compressor. On my AC panel there is a circuit breaker for the compressor. If I am not mistaken the outlet in the stern locker is a 24 volt outlet , used to inflate your dinghy.
Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 12:18 PM To: smiles bernard smilesbernard@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor location suggestions.
I’m wondering if the group has suggestions for the location of a dive compressor. There seems to be a plug in the starboard side aft lazarette, but that puts a lot of weight in the aft, and negates the ability to mount the outboard in the laz. Delos seems to have it in the engine compartment: I guess they took apart a Bauer. I have yet to see if it would fit. I’ve also thought of removing the rather innefectuar dryer and install it forward. Any thoughts or suggestions?
Greatly appreciated.
Porter
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Dive Compressor location suggestions.
I’m wondering if the group has suggestions for the location of a dive compressor. There seems to be a plug in the starboard side aft lazarette, but that puts a lot of weight in the aft, and negates the ability to mount the outboard in the laz. Delos seems to have it in the engine compartment: I guess they took apart a Bauer. I have yet to see if it would fit. I’ve also thought of removing the rather innefectuar dryer and install it forward. Any thoughts or suggestions? Greatly appreciated. Porter
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