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Isolated alternators

Sv Garulfo
 

Dear Amelians,

The 12V engine alternator is supposed to be isolated from the engine. I could only find a replacement for that alternator that is not fitted with nylon pieces to provide that isolation and I'm struggling to find a temporary solution to achieve the isolation. 

1. What is the purpose of that isolation ? I suppose it is to protect the engine from corrosion?

2. What are the risks to temporarily mount the alternator without isolation ?


Thanks as always!

Thomas
GARULFO 
Amel 54 #122
Stuck in Union Island, St Vincent & Grenadines


Servicing Lewmar 58 winches - need help

Steve Bode
 

Hi everyone, This is my first email to the group! Please help!

I've serviced all my Lewmar winches on my 1994 Super Maramu except the big, electric Lewmar 58s. The service instructions I have tell me that after removing the drum, remove the screws holding the center stem to the motor base. I was unable to loosen them. Blew up a impact driver trying to do so. Left no other option, I set about trying to remove the entire winch to bring to the welder who claims he can get those pesky corroded screws out by welding a bolt to each screw and using a spanner (wrench) to remove them. So, I've removed the electric drive and flange that attaches to the drive shaft sleeve and finally, removed the nuts from the bolts that pass through the deck. But now I'm stopped. 

My questions are:

Anyone else have this experience? If you have, I'm so sorry. Let's start a support group.
Is the base glued to the deck or is the sealant just like mortar?
Are there any other components holding the base to the deck?
Any suggestions for getting under the base and removing the winch?
Should I bang on the screws from underneath? drive a screw drive under the base?

Here are some pictures of my status.

Starboard winch center stem and drive base immediately after removing the drum:


Underside of the starboard electric winch:





Steve Bode
SV Intention
Amel SM117
Almerimar, Spain
Facebook.com/stevebodesanfrancisco

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.

hanspeter baettig
 

Bonjour JP
I too bought a Vetus Pump Type EMP 140 as a spar part. My old pump from Amel, 25 years old is still working fine.
Questions:
How did you manage the problem from the already installed tubes, 30 mm (1 1/4 inch) old pump, 38 mm ( 1 1/2 inch) new Vetus pump ? Wich connector you used or you chanbe the old tubes to 38 mm ? 
How did you manage the fixation of the new pump ?
Can you send me pics about the installation , fixation ( you need new holes ). Many thanks for your reply.
You can send me the pics to: hanspeter dot baettig at bluemail dot ch

Salutations
HP
SM 16, Tamango 2
Las Palmas

----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----
Von : amelyachtowners@...
Datum : 19/01/2018 - 11:36 (MN)
An : amelyachtowners@...
Betreff : Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.

 

Hi Gang,


Like Gary, I’ve installed a diaphragm pump.  Mine is a Vetus unit and indeed, it does work well…

Jean-Pierre
Sy Eleuthera, SM 007, Panama



On 19 Jan 2018, at 04:09, gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


I have to say that at first I wasn't too impressed with the 'un-Amel' solution that was installed on Adagio when we got it, but after further review I believe it was a good decision on the part of the P.O.
The original pump has been replaced by a 24v Whale Gusher diaphragm mounted about a meter above the full water level. The hose from the pump run straight down into the sump and has check (standard joker) valves both before and after the pump to prevent loss of prime. I installed new jokers in Feb., 2014 and have not had a lick of trouble since. The pump is easily accessible, a rebuild kit is readily available (although I haven't had to rebuild it yet) and it's 'relatively' inexpensive. 

It probably isn't a fast to pump the bilge as the original one (takes a full minute or so) but it's quiet and I've kind of grown into liking it. Just my 2 cents worth on this kind of project.

Gary W.
SM 209 Adagio
Fethiye, Turkey







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor location suggestions.

Porter McRoberts
 

Thank you all for your insights!  
I’ll head to the port helm locker for fitting!  
Porter


On Jan 19, 2018, at 7:19 AM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Eric.

Sorry, the boat info was tiny and hard to see under the photo, but it’s a 54-Hull 152. 
I do think there is a 230 outlet in the aft Laz port side on a ledge there. 
I will check to make absolutely certain it’s not a 24v. 
Where is the 230 outlet in the cockpit locker?
I appreciate your help

Porter
Ibis, Fort Lauderdale
54-152



On Jan 17, 2018, at 12:30 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

HI,

You did not identify what model boat you have. However, if it is a Super Maramu, the factory mounted it in the port cockpit locker.

Also, looking at the plug on the compressor it seems to be a 220 volt compressor. On my AC panel there is a circuit breaker for the compressor. If I am not mistaken the outlet in the stern locker is a 24 volt outlet , used to inflate your dinghy.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 12:18 PM
To: smiles bernard smilesbernard@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor location suggestions.

 

I’m wondering if the group has suggestions for the location of a dive compressor.

There seems to be a plug in the starboard side aft lazarette, but that puts a lot of weight in the aft, and negates the ability to mount the outboard in the laz.

Delos seems to have it in the engine compartment: I guess they took apart a Bauer.  I have yet to see if it would fit..

I’ve also thought of removing the rather innefectuar dryer and install it forward.

Any thoughts or suggestions?

 

Greatly appreciated.

 

Porter

 

 

 

Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis..com
portermcroberts@...

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor location suggestions.

Porter McRoberts
 

Thanks Eric.
Sorry, the boat info was tiny and hard to see under the photo, but it’s a 54-Hull 152. 
I do think there is a 230 outlet in the aft Laz port side on a ledge there. 
I will check to make absolutely certain it’s not a 24v. 
Where is the 230 outlet in the cockpit locker?
I appreciate your help

Porter
Ibis, Fort Lauderdale
54-152



On Jan 17, 2018, at 12:30 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

HI,

You did not identify what model boat you have. However, if it is a Super Maramu, the factory mounted it in the port cockpit locker.

Also, looking at the plug on the compressor it seems to be a 220 volt compressor. On my AC panel there is a circuit breaker for the compressor. If I am not mistaken the outlet in the stern locker is a 24 volt outlet , used to inflate your dinghy.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 12:18 PM
To: smiles bernard smilesbernard@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor location suggestions.

 

I’m wondering if the group has suggestions for the location of a dive compressor.

There seems to be a plug in the starboard side aft lazarette, but that puts a lot of weight in the aft, and negates the ability to mount the outboard in the laz.

Delos seems to have it in the engine compartment: I guess they took apart a Bauer.  I have yet to see if it would fit..

I’ve also thought of removing the rather innefectuar dryer and install it forward.

Any thoughts or suggestions?

 

Greatly appreciated.

 

Porter

 

 

 

Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bamar Amel Upgrade & New Group Member

Porter McRoberts
 

Re the furlers. Contact PAUL Hrabowski head of Bamar NA.
I just installed 2 new direct drive units. Fantastic
He honored the letter, but again it was October 2017. 
He seemed very interested in making things right. 

1-604-728-7445 he answered this phone number

Porter 
IBIS
Amel 54-152. 



On Jan 18, 2018, at 9:36 PM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Mark & Debbie and welcome to the Amel Family.
 
Bamar put out a letter in February 2017 that they would replace Amel Bamar furlers with their new furlers at a reduced cost, if purchased by 12/31/2017. I made several attempts at contacting them. They would acknowledge receipt of my e-mails but never received an actual response.
 
It is possible that the same offer could be pursued. We would be interested, if they do provide the original offer. I have a copy of their original offer.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 6:01 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bamar Amel Upgrade & New Group Member

 

My wife, Debbie, and I are recent purchasers of an A54 #68 currently in Fort Lauderdale.  We are pleased to be members of such a dedicated community of people that are willing to help each other.  Hopefully we will be able to contribute in the future.

 

The second reason for the post is that we are planning to take advantage of the Bamar Amel upgrade program.  Paul at Bamar USA informed me that if enough people are interested in taking advantage of this program there would be significant cost savings of the furling gear.  If you have any interest please email Paul at the following address:  “paul at bamarUSA dot com”


Mark & Debbie

A54 #68, S/V Brass Ring

Ft. Lauderdale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Gang,

Like Gary, I’ve installed a diaphragm pump.  Mine is a Vetus unit and indeed, it does work well…

Jean-Pierre
Sy Eleuthera, SM 007, Panama



On 19 Jan 2018, at 04:09, gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


I have to say that at first I wasn't too impressed with the 'un-Amel' solution that was installed on Adagio when we got it, but after further review I believe it was a good decision on the part of the P.O.
The original pump has been replaced by a 24v Whale Gusher diaphragm mounted about a meter above the full water level. The hose from the pump run straight down into the sump and has check (standard joker) valves both before and after the pump to prevent loss of prime. I installed new jokers in Feb., 2014 and have not had a lick of trouble since. The pump is easily accessible, a rebuild kit is readily available (although I haven't had to rebuild it yet) and it's 'relatively' inexpensive. 

It probably isn't a fast to pump the bilge as the original one (takes a full minute or so) but it's quiet and I've kind of grown into liking it. Just my 2 cents worth on this kind of project.

Gary W.
SM 209 Adagio
Fethiye, Turkey





Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.

Gary Wells
 

I have to say that at first I wasn't too impressed with the 'un-Amel' solution that was installed on Adagio when we got it, but after further review I believe it was a good decision on the part of the P.O.
The original pump has been replaced by a 24v Whale Gusher diaphragm mounted about a meter above the full water level. The hose from the pump run straight down into the sump and has check (standard joker) valves both before and after the pump to prevent loss of prime. I installed new jokers in Feb., 2014 and have not had a lick of trouble since. The pump is easily accessible, a rebuild kit is readily available (although I haven't had to rebuild it yet) and it's 'relatively' inexpensive. 

It probably isn't a fast to pump the bilge as the original one (takes a full minute or so) but it's quiet and I've kind of grown into liking it. Just my 2 cents worth on this kind of project.

Gary W.
SM 209 Adagio
Fethiye, Turkey



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bamar Amel Upgrade & New Group Member

robin hutter
 

We might be interested in this offer also as we are at the moment shopping for a 54 Year 2007 - please keep us in the loop.

Robin
ASM 56 presently Mallorca

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.

John Clark
 

Hi Dan,
    The technician at Amel in Le Marin (the fellow that used to work with Jean Collin, has been there a while) talked me into buying a spare pump last year.  The new pump looks nearly identical to the old one, same manufacturer.  I have not used it yet. 

We are currently cruising full time and the original pump gets a fair bit of run time.  It runs for about 15 -30 seconds to drain the gray water sump.   I'm not sure which Amel supplied pump you have, but the one that came with my SM (#37) has been good, except for the suction flapper valve becoming misaligned...which I finally fixed with a modification....don't tell Bill R.

Anyway the pump that came with my hull seems to be reliable, you might want to see if this version would fit with your layout.  

Oh and Bill K is right, centrifugal pumps are sensitive to crud in the water.  I would not rely on one as the primary water mover.

                         Regards,  John

SV Annie
SM 37
about to sail out of St. Augustine.
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bamar Amel Upgrade & New Group Member

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

I talked with Paul today, I don't know if it the same program you referenced.  He indicated that if he were able to order 5 units or more he would receive substantial savings from Bamar that he would pass along.  Could be they are being more restrictive as time passes and want greater numbers to reduce their unit costs???  Greater numbers could be beneficial to everyone.  BTW I have no financial interest other than to reduce (selfishly) my overall cost.  Hope this works to everyone's benefit.

Mark & Debbie

A54 #68, S/V Brass Ring

Ft. Lauderdale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor location suggestions.

John Clark
 

Hi Porter,  just to add to the statistics,  our dive compressor is in the aft part of the large portside cockpit bench locker.  It is 220v and wired to the "220v Cales" breaker.  Same breaker as for 220 outlets in Engine Room.

Regards,  John

SV Annie
SM 37
About to sail out of St Augustine....

On Jan 17, 2018 12:18 PM, "Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
I’m wondering if the group has suggestions for the location of a dive compressor.
There seems to be a plug in the starboard side aft lazarette, but that puts a lot of weight in the aft, and negates the ability to mount the outboard in the laz.
Delos seems to have it in the engine compartment: I guess they took apart a Bauer.  I have yet to see if it would fit.
I’ve also thought of removing the rather innefectuar dryer and install it forward.
Any thoughts or suggestions?

Greatly appreciated.

Porter



Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bamar Amel Upgrade & New Group Member

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello Mark & Debbie and welcome to the Amel Family.
 
Bamar put out a letter in February 2017 that they would replace Amel Bamar furlers with their new furlers at a reduced cost, if purchased by 12/31/2017. I made several attempts at contacting them. They would acknowledge receipt of my e-mails but never received an actual response.
 
It is possible that the same offer could be pursued. We would be interested, if they do provide the original offer. I have a copy of their original offer.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 6:01 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bamar Amel Upgrade & New Group Member

 

My wife, Debbie, and I are recent purchasers of an A54 #68 currently in Fort Lauderdale.  We are pleased to be members of such a dedicated community of people that are willing to help each other.  Hopefully we will be able to contribute in the future.

 

The second reason for the post is that we are planning to take advantage of the Bamar Amel upgrade program.  Paul at Bamar USA informed me that if enough people are interested in taking advantage of this program there would be significant cost savings of the furling gear.  If you have any interest please email Paul at the following address:  “paul at bamarUSA dot com”


Mark & Debbie

A54 #68, S/V Brass Ring

Ft. Lauderdale


Bamar Amel Upgrade & New Group Member

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

My wife, Debbie, and I are recent purchasers of an A54 #68 currently in Fort Lauderdale.  We are pleased to be members of such a dedicated community of people that are willing to help each other.  Hopefully we will be able to contribute in the future.

 

The second reason for the post is that we are planning to take advantage of the Bamar Amel upgrade program.  Paul at Bamar USA informed me that if enough people are interested in taking advantage of this program there would be significant cost savings of the furling gear.  If you have any interest please email Paul at the following address:  “paul at bamarUSA dot com”


Mark & Debbie

A54 #68, S/V Brass Ring

Ft. Lauderdale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.

greatketch@...
 

Don,

The problem with submersible centrifugal pumps like the Rule is they are the type of pump least tolerant of solids. They are best to pump only clean water.  Lots of things get into our sumps (which are really gray water sumps, not bilges) that have the potential to cause grief with centrifugal pumps.

You might have control over some of these things, by watching what you put down the galley sink for example, but some of the worst is hair from the shower drains that wraps around the shaft above the impeller, eventually stopping the pump from turning.

Having an electric pump constantly immersed in water is also a potential source for very serious stray current corrosion--if there is a fault in the insulation or wiring.

If you can't source an exact replacement, a Dometic/Sealand T-series discharge pump is a good alternative. Tough, long lasting, and will pump almost anything that can flow through the pipe.

Lavac also sells a 24 volt electric diaphragm pump for their vacuum toilets that might be a good choice, but I have no personnel experience with those.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Great Harbor Cay, Bahamas


---In amelyachtowners@..., <dancarlson367@...> wrote :

A bilge/sump pump update from BeBe.  

About 2 weeks after launch in December the installed Marina bilge pump fails due to cracked plastic pump drive gear. (At this time the plastic piece that joins between handle and diaphram on the manual whale also broke).  I replaced the Marina electric with the back-up (rebuild of the same model)  and bought a new Whale manual (and ordered replacement parts for the broken whale).  The replacement Marina pump failed about 3 weeks later (same cracked plastic gear).  In the mean time I sent a request to SAV Amel with a picture of the broken gear. They replied that they no longer support the pump?  Then I arrived in le Marin and talked to Alban here at Amel.  He had a new pump on the shelf and a used one (the used one also had a broken plastic gear).  He said he had replacement gears on order from Amel (as they have to replace them several times a year) but no estimated delivery date.  

With 4 guests arriving this week, I went over to Caribe Marine and purchased a 24v Rule 1100 lph pump off the shelf (56 euro), some short hose, a 90 degree elbow, and a piece to connect the hoses where the missing marina pump had been.  And 5 ft of wire to connect to the existing connectors.  

I was pleasantly surprised with the speed that it empties the sump (comparable), and you can barely hear it.  

So now i am watching this thread to decide the long term solutuon.  A) fix marina pumps if I can get replacement gears? B) pick a suitable reliable alternative, C) buy another case of Rule pumps for the cost of a new Marina pump and see how long they last...

Other thoughts?  

Thanks and regards,  Dan & Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Diaphragm Bilge Pump failure.

Dan Carlson
 

A bilge/sump pump update from BeBe.  

About 2 weeks after launch in December the installed Marina bilge pump fails due to cracked plastic pump drive gear. (At this time the plastic piece that joins between handle and diaphram on the manual whale also broke).  I replaced the Marina electric with the back-up (rebuild of the same model)  and bought a new Whale manual (and ordered replacement parts for the broken whale).  The replacement Marina pump failed about 3 weeks later (same cracked plastic gear).  In the mean time I sent a request to SAV Amel with a picture of the broken gear. They replied that they no longer support the pump?  Then I arrived in le Marin and talked to Alban here at Amel.  He had a new pump on the shelf and a used one (the used one also had a broken plastic gear).  He said he had replacement gears on order from Amel (as they have to replace them several times a year) but no estimated delivery date.  

With 4 guests arriving this week, I went over to Caribe Marine and purchased a 24v Rule 1100 lph pump off the shelf (56 euro), some short hose, a 90 degree elbow, and a piece to connect the hoses where the missing marina pump had been.  And 5 ft of wire to connect to the existing connectors.  

I was pleasantly surprised with the speed that it empties the sump (comparable), and you can barely hear it.  

So now i am watching this thread to decide the long term solutuon.  A) fix marina pumps if I can get replacement gears? B) pick a suitable reliable alternative, C) buy another case of Rule pumps for the cost of a new Marina pump and see how long they last...

Other thoughts?  

Thanks and regards,  Dan & Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387






On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 1:32 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

Maybe relevant....we replaced the AMFA pump with a Johnson VIKING 32.

It seems to pump at about 75% of it's rated flow.
I wonder if it has something to do with the 1.5 meter vertical feed from the sump ??
In any event the Johnson pump drains the sump noticeably faster than the original, which IMHO is a really bad design.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Gulf Harbour...waiting for the wind to die down...

Re: Amel Santorin Propeller Question

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

HI Lisa,
It's been about a month since you sent out your gearbox.  Did you get it back and was the problem fixed? What did they do with the gearbox?
Craig, SN#68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <lisallt2@...> wrote :

Alan,

Thanks so much. I also have an MS25, so it sounds as though we were correct to use 15W40. We've just had a mechanic out to the boat and it turns out that the clutch is gone, so the gearbox is going out as we speak. Thanks again for all of the advice and helpful information. This group really is invaluable!

Regards,

Lisa
s/v Azimuth, Santorin #143

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor location suggestions.

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Porter,

Here is where it is located in the SM2K.
I don’t remember enough of the 54 Cockpit storage to see if it fit.
http://www.nikimat.com/scuba_compressor_bauer_junior.html

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Wed, 1/17/18, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor location suggestions.
To: "smiles bernard smilesbernard@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018, 11:18 AM

I’m wondering if the group has
suggestions for the location of a dive compressor.There seems to be a plug in the
starboard side aft lazarette, but that puts a lot of weight
in the aft, and negates the ability to mount the outboard in
the laz.Delos seems to have
it in the engine compartment: I guess they took apart a
Bauer.  I have yet to see if it would fit.I’ve also thought of removing the
rather innefectuar dryer and install it forward.Any thoughts or suggestions?
Greatly appreciated.
Porter



Porter
McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor location suggestions.

James Studdart
 

Ours is also installed in the big cockpit locker, on sliding rails. I would be very wary of installing the compressor inside anywhere. It needs lots of airflow and generates a lot of heat. Since it needs fresh air to compress, make sure you add a snorkel to it if it’s in any smelly space (engine room, head, etc).

The compressor has been one of the most wonderful “surprises” our Super Maramu came with. It’s let us dive in some magical places, clean the hull as needed and save bow thruster props and children’s toys... it wasn’t even on my “list” when looking for SeaBean!

Cheers,
James.

SeaBean
SM 344
Tahiti

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:20 divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Our SM has a Bauer compressor fitted in the cockpit port locker and yes it is 220VAC.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor location suggestions.

Alan Leslie
 

Our SM has a Bauer compressor fitted in the cockpit port locker and yes it is 220VAC.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437