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Re: Diameter Reling

greatketch@...
 

25mm

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Sandy Point, Great Abaco, Bahamas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Inability To Remove Port Genoa Winch Due Winch Drawing 150 Amps

eric freedman
 

Hi ,

What model and size winch do you have?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

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Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 9:31 AM
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Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Inability To Remove Port Genoa Winch Due Winch Drawing 150 Amps

 

 

I have a 1995 SM currently located in Trinidad.  About a year ago my port side genoa winch began making sounds like it was working hard.  When running it was slower than the starboard side winch and draws 150 amps while the starboard side draws 30 amps.  It works fine manually.  While in South Africa and later here in Trinidad I tried to remove the gearbox under the winch to see if it was all gunked up.  Twice in these countries the yard put a hydraulic puller on the gearbox and left it overnight, but could not break it free from the winch above it.  Apparently, the gear that sticks up into the Lewmar winch is galvanically corroded and has merged with the winch.  I recently decided it might just be the motor that is bad, so I removed it this morning in about 10 minutes (amazing!) and I will have a specialist determine if it is bad or needs overhaul or whatever.  

 

Question:

1.  Has anyone else had trouble removing the gearbox from the genoa winch and if so how did you get it off (if you ever did)?

2.  Do the symptoms jibe with a motor problem as opposed to a gearbox problem?  

 

Any comments appreciated.  

 

Bill Shaproski

S/V Pacific Cool


Diameter Reling

Peter Jaeger
 

Hi Amelians
Could anyone tell me the diameter of a SM 's reling, unfortunately I am not on the boat.
Thank you
Peter 
Wilson/SM003 La Rochelle


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Inability To Remove Port Genoa Winch Due Winch Drawing 150 Amps

pacificcool@...
 

I have a 1995 SM currently located in Trinidad.  About a year ago my port side genoa winch began making sounds like it was working hard.  When running it was slower than the starboard side winch and draws 150 amps while the starboard side draws 30 amps.  It works fine manually.  While in South Africa and later here in Trinidad I tried to remove the gearbox under the winch to see if it was all gunked up.  Twice in these countries the yard put a hydraulic puller on the gearbox and left it overnight, but could not break it free from the winch above it.  Apparently, the gear that sticks up into the Lewmar winch is galvanically corroded and has merged with the winch.  I recently decided it might just be the motor that is bad, so I removed it this morning in about 10 minutes (amazing!) and I will have a specialist determine if it is bad or needs overhaul or whatever.  


Question:

1.  Has anyone else had trouble removing the gearbox from the genoa winch and if so how did you get it off (if you ever did)?

2.  Do the symptoms jibe with a motor problem as opposed to a gearbox problem?  


Any comments appreciated.  


Bill Shaproski

S/V Pacific Cool


Re: Wanted: Amel sharki

Philippe Morel
 

Hello , there are 2 for sale on internet site : www.leboncoin . 
One in Cogolin , close to St Tropez , Asked price 68 k€ 
One in Solenzara ( Corse ) , asked price 80 k€
Both can be negociate . 
Philippe  
Belavita n238


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Perkins M 4 .154 engine repairs, rescheduling trip

James Alton
 

Christian Alby,

Do you know the exact P/N for the original oil pump in your Perkins engine?

Ebay shows that the pump listed by tacomadiesel 1969 was sold Jan. 24th at 10:41 AM for $60 USD.

James

SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Jan 25, 2018, at 11:53 AM, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi there James,

Pump shown on ebay from tacomadiesel 1969 is similar to previous pumps P/N 41314114.
Worth a try if not sold already.
I am still trying the Prevalent supply via www.getezone-saint lucia; new to the game there I am still chasing them to know if transaction is valid or missing some hidden step.
Will let you know
Fair winds
Christian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - le Marin Martinique

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Le jeu., janv. 25, 2018 à 12:53, James Alton lokiyawl2@... <mailto:lokiyawl2@...> [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> a écrit :

Christian Alby,


This link should show you the details and a photo of the oil pump that sold yesterday on Ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Perkins-Oil-Pump-/162047206348?epid=1666806067&hash=item25bac423cc%3Ag%3AERQAAOSwPc9W1hX7&nma=true&si=W3eCbTcEMLa7SbrtDwkjy5OzDVc%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 If this link does not work let me know. Please let me know if the photo looks like the correct pump to you. The seller had a 100% rating so I believe that this was a valid transaction and a lucky find, sorry that we missed it.

I have not heard anything back from Prevalent from my email inquiries and my attempt to purchase the two pumps. Checking into the website, though the company checks out through Google transparency, I think that it is very unlikely that they have any actual pumps in stock ever. If I hear back otherwise I will attempt to complete the purchase for two pumps. I will set up an alert on Ebay in case any additional used or new pumps show up. It would be helpful if you can help insure that the part #41314114 is indeed the correct pump if at all possible.

Best,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Jan 24, 2018, at 12:59 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... <mailto:lokiyawl2@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:

Christian Alby,


I just saw your email. The pump on Ebay has been sold, bad timing there. I have placed an order for two pumps thru Prevalent but have not yet received a confirmation either in my browser or via email so not sure yet of what is wrong. No need to pay for my pump, but thank you for that. I just hope that this company actually has stock and that these are the correct pumps for our engines. I will update you when I have more information.

Best,

James
Maramu #220

On Jan 24, 2018, at 11:30 AM, christian alby calbyy@... <mailto:calbyy@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:


hi there James

tried the eBay code but Zero results reply ... lost
tried purchase from Prévalent-first but cannot complete registration ...
tried to purchase via getezone site ... no reply yet

As I do not want to lose one of those pumps I would ask you to purchase both & sell back one to me, I will pay for both - bank transfer to your account - and arrange with you for shipment of one to me in Martinique. Soon as mounted I will confirm if OK & then you can reimburse the one you chose.

Your help is really appreciated there

fair winds

christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in Le Marin Martinique



‎23‎ ‎janvier‎ ‎2018‎ ‎17‎:‎00‎:‎25‎ ‎-04, James Alton lokiyawl2@... <mailto:lokiyawl2@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> a écrit :



Christian Alby,


Can you verify if the correct Perkins part number for the oil pump you need is #41314114? If so then I may have found two sources for new surplus oil pumps. One is located on the website at: https://www.prevalent-first.top/perkins-4-154-oil-pump-41314114-cf-bedford-marine-engine-p-5822.html. I am thinking ordering one for myself as a spare if this information looks correct to you..

The other pump is located on Ebay, item #162047206348. The Ebay ad shows part #41314114 and says that this pump fits the 4.154.

Fingers crossed that this helps.. I also have some inquiries in for a used pump.

Best,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

162047206348

On Jan 23, 2018, at 3:06 PM, christian alby calbyy@... <mailto:calbyy@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:

James

Thanks for assistance
I do not remember the way the gear is fixed but will try to see from pictures taken.
The non-marine version -perkins made, not the kubota look alike - has the same oil pump.
Fair wind
Christian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in le Marin Martinique


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Le mar., janv. 23, 2018 à 15:33, James Alton lokiyawl2@... <mailto:lokiyawl2@...> [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups..com <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> a écrit :

Christian Alby,


I have been keeping my eye out for a replacement pump for you but so far no luck.. I think that you are correct that the worn pump is at least part of what is causing the lower than normal oil pressure. The sudden drop of oil pressure to 0 when you reach 2000 RPM is very strange and I have been pondering a possible cause. It makes me think that somehow the pump gear has sopped stopped turning. Did you notice if any of the gears on your oil pump are pinned to the shaft? I have seen some oil pumps secured with pins but am not sure about the Perkins 4.154, hence this is just an educated guess. If one of these pins were to shear from the engine runaway and lack of lubrication which you said occurred when the engine failed, you might still have enough friction present to drive the pump gear at low engine speeds but it could then begin to slip. Replacement of that pin (if it exists) might solve the problem with the sudden loss of oil pressure. Please let me know if you someday figure out what is the actual cause of this sudden loss of oil pressure. I will post here if I am able to find another pump. Can you tell me from your research if the non-marine version of the 4-154 has the same oil pump as your engine?

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Jan 23, 2018, at 8:15 AM, christian alby calbyy@... <mailto:calbyy@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:

Miles,

The voice of Volvo D2/55 la 3 fold
Available immediatly in Martinique.
Do not want a turbo on my marine engine, useless & more prone to failures.
Recent model , widely spread, will find parts for a while.

Against volvo
Tied up with agents for service & parts.
Price ...

I still might give up on replacement here in martinique & keep on looking for an oil pump to do repairs, then sail to better deal location.

Note : old faithful M 4.154 is still reliable & so easy to run & maintain. Regrets

Christian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in le Marin Martinique.





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Le mar., janv. 23, 2018 à 8:37, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... <mailto:smilesbernard@...> [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> a écrit :

Hi there Christian

As a fellow maramu owner with an older engine I’d be interested in your thoughts about the Volvo D2/55 as a replacement vs other alternatives..

Size, simplicity, cost etc? What led you to choose the Volvo?

Many thanks and best wishes

Miles

Sent from my iPhone

On 21 Jan 2018, at 14:29, christian alby calbyy@... <mailto:calbyy@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:



Thanks for concern & assistance Bill
guess all the advice & analysis of fault helped me come to the conclusion (already uderstood & applied before) that there is no shortcut when repairing engines or sailing boats.
Oil pump is at fault - 100% sure
camshaft is unllikely eve though showing some wear on,poppets.

I am now in Le Marin, waiting for a firm quote on one Volvo D2/55 available for fit up ... on solution even though unplanned this year;
I am also looking for one Perkins Oil pump ..... could replace in situ at no great cost & would postpone replacement by new engine to 2019
or back to Europ in April & do a change over of engines with Perkins or else .... Selling back my 'Old Faithful'

fair winds
chrsitian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - Le Marin Martinique



Le ‎dimanche‎ ‎31‎ ‎décembre‎ ‎2017‎ ‎12‎:‎53‎:‎11‎ ‎-04, greatketch@... <mailto:greatketch@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups..com <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> a écrit :





Christian,

I am afraid I have no good ideas that match your symptoms! Since you have both the gauge and alarm reporting low pressure, I have to assume it is real and not a problem with the measurement.

Sometimes low oil level can cause low pressure at high rpm as the pump sucks so much oil out of the crankcase it sucks air, but you checked that.

A stuck open pressure relief valve that resets itself when the engine shuts down could be an an issue, but that seems unlikely.

Maybe someone else has an idea or two... in any event do let us know what the solution turns out to be!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Key West, FL



---In amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>, <calbyy@....> wrote :

Here is

Yes - oil pressure gauge and l'os pressure alarme on
When oil pressure below 1 bar, alarme nées
Oil pressure drops quickly at 2000 rpm
Oil pressure remains stable when low or normal
Oil pressure remains low when reducing speed from 2000

No loss of oil single de started.
Ran 1hour maneuvring in port at 1300 rpm at 2 bars, went To idle after 1 hour at 700 rpm with 1.1 bar oil pressure.
Did not risk acceleration.

Thks for assiste

Christian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in Mindelo Carbo Verde



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Le dim., déc. 31, 2017 à 14:58, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> a écrit :

Losing oil pressure at high RPM and having it come back at low RPM is a bit of a puzzle to me. There are ways it can happen, but they are a bit exotic


Do you have an oil pressure gauge AND an low oil pressure alarm?
If so, is the gauge showing low pressure AND you get an alarm?
Does the oil pressure drop quickly at 2000RPM or does it drift down slowly?
Is it stable, or does it bounce around?
Does it come back quickly when you reduce the RPM, or does it stay low?





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: HEADSAIL FURLING

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Miles, I will be in Le Marin. I am on dock 5 slip 573. Stop buy.

Vladimir
202 258 1916

On Jan 25, 2018 10:57, "'Miles Bidwell' milesbid@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vladimir,

Are you still in Le Marin?  I will be there after Monday.  Maybe Amel will deal with the gear maker for us and for other Amel owners who want to replace their gears once Oliver gets the parts list.  

Regards,

Miles

Ladybug sm 216  Martinique



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leece Neville 175 A 24v alternator

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Nick,

I agree with Bill Rouse. The exiteation circuit will be faulty. I have seen just these symptoms across a number of applications over many years. 

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Mangonui

New Zealand

On 26 January 2018 at 03:06 "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Nick,

I don't know the ratio of RPM ftom the alternator to the engine, but as I recall it, I would guess about 3:1. If it is 3:1 the alternator would turn at 1800 when the engine is at 600.

Regardless of the ratio, I believe yours should excite when the engine starts. I had that same alternator for 11 years. My engine idled at about 600 RPM. The alternator would excite as soon as the engine started. The one time that it didn't, I had an alarm and red light on the 24 Volt panel. My issue was a loose wire connection on the alternator excite relay, which I described in an earlier email.

BTW, the alternator would not put out much amperage until the engine RPM was more than about 1400.

I hope this helps you and you get it resolved.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Jan 25, 2018 07:38, "sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Nick,

The spec sheet on that alternator says the cut-in RPM is 2000 (that's the alternator's rpm, which is faster than the engine's in proportion to pulley size), so it sounds like all is normal. You don't say if it works fine after it cuts in, but if so it sounds like your alternator is working as it should. Was there some new or different odd behavior that prompted your question and makes you suspect there is a problem?
Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN#68 (Btw, on my Perkins factory standard alternator there's a timing circuit that delays cut-in to avoid presenting a high load to the engine on starting.)



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Nick

Yes, I believe any alternator will self-excite at higher revs.

One side of the relay has 12VDVC input when the engine start switch is turned to ON. The other side of the relay switches ON 24VDC to excite the alternator.

It is likely a loose or dirty connection on the relay.

Some Amels had the red warning light for the alternator wired in series with the excite circuit, and if that bulb were burned-out, the alternator will not excite. To be on the safe side, check that bulb, which on a SM is located on the bottom left of the 24 Volt panel. 


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Jan 24, 2018 12:49, "kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,


The boat is in Antigua, but I am in the UK for the moment. So you suspect that the excitation circuit needs to be checked. If this is the case I guess it self excites at the higher rpm. Would you agree?

Nick
 

 

 

 


 


Re :Re: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Marinas in Cartagena / Colombia

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

Whoops !
Hope I did not send you guys off your course to Colombia, chasing coordinates in the Med.
Wrong time to cross anyway, SW nort settled.
If ever on the way to the Med do not miss the Spanish one; worth the trip, heavy with antique history.
Fair winds
Christian alby - Desirade VIII Maramu 116 - le Marin Marinique


Le mer., janv. 24, 2018 à 18:01, Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners]
a écrit :
 

.....so, the important clarification here is that I meant Cartagena in Colombia,
thanks, Alex


On Wednesday, January 24, 2018, 8:15:12 AM GMT-4, 'Willem J. Kroes' kavanga@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Hi Alex,

 

Are you aiming at Cartagena in Spain (Murcia)?  If this is the case I have experience with Yacht Port Cartagena. I My boat was wintering there for two years. It is a safe marina at walking distance of the centre of a beautiful city. The marina staff is very helpful. Prices for a contract during the winter time are affordable. For catamarans it is relatively cheap because they don’t charge an extra percentage. There are quite a few liveaboards in this marina during the winter time. Ask Julia for a quotation in advance. Very good English speaking!

 

Best regards,

 

Willem Kroes

 

SM2K # 351  KAVANGA

 

 

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Verzonden: dinsdag 23 januari 2018 21:27
Aan: amelyachtowners@...
Onderwerp: [Amel Yacht Owners] Marinas in Cartagena / Colombia

 

 

Dear Amelians,

do you know the marinas in Cartagena? I see three of them on the net. Is there any that you recommend or avoid?

Thanks for sharing your insights!

Best Regards,

Alex Ramseyer

SY NO STRESS, AMEL54#15

 


Re :Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Perkins M 4 .154 engine repairs, rescheduling trip

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

Hi there James,Pump shown on ebay from tacomadiesel 1969 is similar to previous pumps P/N 41314114.Worth a try if not sold already.I am still trying the Prevalent supply via www.getezone-saint lucia; new to the game there I am still chasing them to know if transaction is valid or missing some hidden step.Will let you knowFair windsChristian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - le Marin Martinique

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Le jeu., janv. 25, 2018 à 12:53, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]<amelyachtowners@...> a écrit :  
Christian Alby,

  This link should show you the details and a photo of the oil pump that sold yesterday on Ebay:  https://www.ebay.com/itm/Perkins-Oil-Pump-/162047206348?epid=1666806067&hash=item25bac423cc%3Ag%3AERQAAOSwPc9W1hX7&nma=true&si=W3eCbTcEMLa7SbrtDwkjy5OzDVc%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557  If this link does not work let me know.  Please let me know if the photo looks like the correct pump to you.  The seller had a 100% rating so I believe that this was a valid transaction and a lucky find, sorry that we missed it.
   I have not heard anything back from Prevalent from my email inquiries and my attempt to purchase the two pumps.  Checking into the website, though the company checks out through Google transparency,  I think that it is very unlikely that they have any actual pumps in stock ever.   If I hear back otherwise I will attempt to complete the purchase for two pumps.   I will set up an alert on Ebay in case any additional used or new pumps show up.  It would be helpful if you can help insure that the part #41314114 is indeed the correct pump if at all possible.  
Best,
JamesSV SueñoMaramu #220

On Jan 24, 2018, at 12:59 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Christian Alby,

   I just saw your email.  The pump on Ebay has been sold,  bad timing there.  I have placed an order for two pumps thru Prevalent but have not yet received a confirmation either in my browser or via email so not sure yet of what is wrong.   No need to pay for my pump, but thank you for that.  I just hope that this company actually has stock and that these are the correct pumps for our engines.    I will update you when I have more information.
Best,
JamesMaramu #220
On Jan 24, 2018, at 11:30 AM, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


hi there James
tried the eBay code but Zero results reply ... losttried purchase from Prévalent-first but cannot complete registration ...tried to purchase via getezone site ... no reply yet
As I do not want to lose one of those pumps I would ask you to purchase both & sell back one to me, I will pay for both - bank transfer to your account - and arrange with you for shipment of one to me in Martinique. Soon as mounted I will confirm if OK & then you can reimburse the one you chose.
Your help is really appreciated there
fair winds
christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in Le Marin Martinique



‎23‎ ‎janvier‎ ‎2018‎ ‎17‎:‎00‎:‎25‎ ‎-04, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> a écrit :

 
Christian Alby,

   Can you verify if the correct Perkins part number for the oil pump you need is #41314114?  If so then I may have found two sources for new surplus oil pumps.    One is located on the website at: https://www.prevalent-first.top/perkins-4-154-oil-pump-41314114-cf-bedford-marine-engine-p-5822.html.  I am thinking ordering one for myself as a spare if this information looks correct to you..  
The other pump is located on Ebay, item #162047206348.  The Ebay ad shows part #41314114 and says that this pump fits the 4.154. 
Fingers crossed that this helps..  I also have some inquiries in for a used pump.  
Best,
JamesSV SueñoMaramu #220
162047206348

On Jan 23, 2018, at 3:06 PM, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James
Thanks for assistance I do not remember the way the gear is fixed but will try to see from pictures taken.The non-marine version -perkins made, not the kubota look alike - has the same oil pump.Fair windChristian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in le Marin Martinique

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Le mar., janv. 23, 2018 à 15:33, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]<amelyachtowners@...> a écrit : 
Christian Alby,

   I have been keeping my eye out for a replacement pump for you but so far no luck..  I think that you are correct that the worn pump is at least part of what is causing the lower than normal oil pressure.  The sudden drop of oil pressure to 0 when you reach 2000 RPM is very strange and I have been pondering a possible cause.  It makes me think that somehow the pump gear has sopped stopped turning.    Did you notice if any of the gears on your oil pump are pinned to the shaft?  I have seen some oil pumps secured with pins but am not sure about the Perkins 4.154, hence this is just an educated guess.  If one of these pins were to shear from the engine runaway and lack of lubrication which you said occurred when the engine failed,  you might still have enough friction present to drive the pump gear at low engine speeds but it could then begin to slip.  Replacement of that pin (if it exists) might solve the problem with the sudden loss of oil pressure.   Please let me know if you someday figure out what is the actual cause of this sudden loss of oil pressure.   I will post here if I am able to find another pump.   Can you tell me from your research if the non-marine version of the 4-154 has the same oil pump as your engine?
JamesSV SueñoMaramu #220

On Jan 23, 2018, at 8:15 AM, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Miles,
The  voice of Volvo D2/55 la 3 fold Available immediatly in Martinique.Do not want a turbo on my marine engine, useless & more prone to failures.Recent model , widely spread, will find parts for a while.
Against volvoTied up with agents for service & parts.Price ...
I still might give up on replacement here in martinique & keep on looking for an oil pump to do repairs, then sail to better deal location.
Note : old faithful M 4.154 is still reliable & so easy to run & maintain. Regrets 
Christian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in le Marin Martinique.




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Le mar., janv. 23, 2018 à 8:37, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners]<amelyachtowners@...> a écrit : 
Hi there Christian
As a fellow maramu owner with an older engine I’d be interested in your thoughts about the Volvo D2/55 as a replacement vs other alternatives.. 
Size, simplicity, cost etc? What led you to choose the Volvo?
Many thanks and best wishes 
Miles
On 21 Jan 2018, at 14:29, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Thanks for concern & assistance Billguess all the advice & analysis of fault helped me come to the conclusion (already uderstood & applied before) that there is no shortcut when repairing engines or sailing boats. Oil pump is at fault - 100% surecamshaft is unllikely eve though showing some wear on,poppets.
I am now in Le Marin, waiting for a firm quote on one Volvo D2/55 available for fit up ... on solution even though unplanned this year;I am also looking for one Perkins Oil pump ..... could replace in situ at no great cost & would postpone replacement by new engine to 2019 or back to Europ in April & do a change over of engines with Perkins or else ... Selling back my 'Old Faithful'
fair winds chrsitian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - Le Marin Martinique



Le ‎dimanche‎ ‎31‎ ‎décembre‎ ‎2017‎ ‎12‎:‎53‎:‎11‎ ‎-04, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups..com> a écrit :

 


Christian,
I am afraid I have no good ideas that match your symptoms!  Since you have both the gauge and alarm reporting low pressure, I have to assume it is real and not a problem with the measurement.
Sometimes low oil level can cause low pressure at high rpm as the pump sucks so much oil out of the crankcase it sucks air, but you checked that.
A stuck open pressure relief valve that resets itself when the engine shuts down could be an an issue, but that seems unlikely.
Maybe someone else has an idea or two...  in any event do let us know what the solution turns out to be!
Bill KinneySM160, HarmonieKey West, FL


---In amelyachtowners@..., <calbyy@....> wrote :

Here is
Yes - oil pressure gauge and l'os pressure alarme onWhen oil pressure below  1 bar, alarme néesOil pressure drops quickly at 2000 rpmOil pressure remains stable when low or normalOil pressure remains low when reducing speed from 2000 
No loss of oil single de started.  Ran 1hour maneuvring in port at 1300 rpm at 2 bars, went To idle after 1 hour at 700 rpm with 1.1 bar oil pressure.Did  not  risk acceleration. 
Thks for assiste
Christian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in Mindelo Carbo Verde


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Le dim., déc. 31, 2017 à 14:58, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]<amelyachtowners@...> a écrit : 
Losing oil pressure at high RPM and having it come back at low RPM is a bit of a puzzle to me.  There are ways it can happen, but they are a bit exotic

Do you have an oil pressure gauge AND an low oil pressure alarm?  If so, is the gauge showing low pressure AND you get an alarm?  Does the oil pressure drop quickly at 2000RPM or does it drift down slowly?  Is it stable, or does it bounce around?Does it come back quickly when you reduce the RPM, or does it stay low?




















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Wanted: Amel sharki

Marnne Beech
 

Hi everyone,

I'm looking to buy a Sharki and wondered if anyone knew of any for sale.

I am based in London and the only one I can find in Europe currently is in Greece, so quite the sail back home.

Also any info on major things to look out for when buying a Sharki would be very much appreciated.


Cheers,

Marnne


Re: HEADSAIL FURLING

Miles
 

Hi Vladimir,

Are you still in Le Marin?  I will be there after Monday.  Maybe Amel will deal with the gear maker for us and for other Amel owners who want to replace their gears once Oliver gets the parts list.  

Regards,

Miles

Ladybug sm 216  Martinique


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leece Neville 175 A 24v alternator

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Nick,

I don't know the ratio of RPM ftom the alternator to the engine, but as I recall it, I would guess about 3:1. If it is 3:1 the alternator would turn at 1800 when the engine is at 600.

Regardless of the ratio, I believe yours should excite when the engine starts. I had that same alternator for 11 years. My engine idled at about 600 RPM. The alternator would excite as soon as the engine started. The one time that it didn't, I had an alarm and red light on the 24 Volt panel. My issue was a loose wire connection on the alternator excite relay, which I described in an earlier email.

BTW, the alternator would not put out much amperage until the engine RPM was more than about 1400.

I hope this helps you and you get it resolved.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Jan 25, 2018 07:38, "sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Nick,

The spec sheet on that alternator says the cut-in RPM is 2000 (that's the alternator's rpm, which is faster than the engine's in proportion to pulley size), so it sounds like all is normal. You don't say if it works fine after it cuts in, but if so it sounds like your alternator is working as it should. Was there some new or different odd behavior that prompted your question and makes you suspect there is a problem?
Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN#68 (Btw, on my Perkins factory standard alternator there's a timing circuit that delays cut-in to avoid presenting a high load to the engine on starting.)



---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Nick

Yes, I believe any alternator will self-excite at higher revs.

One side of the relay has 12VDVC input when the engine start switch is turned to ON. The other side of the relay switches ON 24VDC to excite the alternator.

It is likely a loose or dirty connection on the relay.

Some Amels had the red warning light for the alternator wired in series with the excite circuit, and if that bulb were burned-out, the alternator will not excite. To be on the safe side, check that bulb, which on a SM is located on the bottom left of the 24 Volt panel. 


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Jan 24, 2018 12:49, "kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,


The boat is in Antigua, but I am in the UK for the moment. So you suspect that the excitation circuit needs to be checked. If this is the case I guess it self excites at the higher rpm. Would you agree?

Nick


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leece Neville 175 A 24v alternator

kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@...
 

Thanks to everyone for your comments. My impression is that it used to kick in at low rpm on the engine but now needs 1500. So my conclusion is that the excitation circuit has a minor fault but that it self excites at higher rpm, and then once excited it charges as it should even if one throttles back to  idle (700 rpm) although obviously at a low output. There may be other things going on, like the residual magnetism has been lost. On my last boat this happened and I "flashed" the alternator as described by Nigel Calder which sorted it out. Thing is, I am in the UK for the next few months and can not play around with it. 

 This is a great group, lots of knowledge out there!

Thanks

Nick S/Y Amelia Amel 54 hull 019



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leece Neville 175 A 24v alternator

Craig Briggs
 

Nick,
The spec sheet on that alternator says the cut-in RPM is 2000 (that's the alternator's rpm, which is faster than the engine's in proportion to pulley size), so it sounds like all is normal. You don't say if it works fine after it cuts in, but if so it sounds like your alternator is working as it should. Was there some new or different odd behavior that prompted your question and makes you suspect there is a problem?
Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN#68 (Btw, on my Perkins factory standard alternator there's a timing circuit that delays cut-in to avoid presenting a high load to the engine on starting.)



---In amelyachtowners@..., <yahoogroups@...> wrote :

Nick

Yes, I believe any alternator will self-excite at higher revs.

One side of the relay has 12VDVC input when the engine start switch is turned to ON. The other side of the relay switches ON 24VDC to excite the alternator.

It is likely a loose or dirty connection on the relay.

Some Amels had the red warning light for the alternator wired in series with the excite circuit, and if that bulb were burned-out, the alternator will not excite. To be on the safe side, check that bulb, which on a SM is located on the bottom left of the 24 Volt panel. 


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Jan 24, 2018 12:49, "kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,


The boat is in Antigua, but I am in the UK for the moment. So you suspect that the excitation circuit needs to be checked. If this is the case I guess it self excites at the higher rpm. Would you agree?

Nick


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Perkins M 4 .154 engine repairs, rescheduling trip

James Alton
 

Christian Alby,

This link should show you the details and a photo of the oil pump that sold yesterday on Ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Perkins-Oil-Pump-/162047206348?epid=1666806067&hash=item25bac423cc%3Ag%3AERQAAOSwPc9W1hX7&nma=true&si=W3eCbTcEMLa7SbrtDwkjy5OzDVc%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 If this link does not work let me know. Please let me know if the photo looks like the correct pump to you. The seller had a 100% rating so I believe that this was a valid transaction and a lucky find, sorry that we missed it.

I have not heard anything back from Prevalent from my email inquiries and my attempt to purchase the two pumps. Checking into the website, though the company checks out through Google transparency, I think that it is very unlikely that they have any actual pumps in stock ever. If I hear back otherwise I will attempt to complete the purchase for two pumps. I will set up an alert on Ebay in case any additional used or new pumps show up. It would be helpful if you can help insure that the part #41314114 is indeed the correct pump if at all possible.

Best,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Jan 24, 2018, at 12:59 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Christian Alby,


I just saw your email. The pump on Ebay has been sold, bad timing there. I have placed an order for two pumps thru Prevalent but have not yet received a confirmation either in my browser or via email so not sure yet of what is wrong. No need to pay for my pump, but thank you for that. I just hope that this company actually has stock and that these are the correct pumps for our engines. I will update you when I have more information.

Best,

James
Maramu #220

On Jan 24, 2018, at 11:30 AM, christian alby calbyy@... <mailto:calbyy@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:


hi there James

tried the eBay code but Zero results reply ... lost
tried purchase from Prévalent-first but cannot complete registration ...
tried to purchase via getezone site ... no reply yet

As I do not want to lose one of those pumps I would ask you to purchase both & sell back one to me, I will pay for both - bank transfer to your account - and arrange with you for shipment of one to me in Martinique. Soon as mounted I will confirm if OK & then you can reimburse the one you chose.

Your help is really appreciated there

fair winds

christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in Le Marin Martinique



‎23‎ ‎janvier‎ ‎2018‎ ‎17‎:‎00‎:‎25‎ ‎-04, James Alton lokiyawl2@... <mailto:lokiyawl2@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> a écrit :



Christian Alby,


Can you verify if the correct Perkins part number for the oil pump you need is #41314114? If so then I may have found two sources for new surplus oil pumps. One is located on the website at: https://www.prevalent-first.top/perkins-4-154-oil-pump-41314114-cf-bedford-marine-engine-p-5822.html. I am thinking ordering one for myself as a spare if this information looks correct to you..

The other pump is located on Ebay, item #162047206348. The Ebay ad shows part #41314114 and says that this pump fits the 4.154.

Fingers crossed that this helps.. I also have some inquiries in for a used pump.

Best,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

162047206348

On Jan 23, 2018, at 3:06 PM, christian alby calbyy@... <mailto:calbyy@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:

James

Thanks for assistance
I do not remember the way the gear is fixed but will try to see from pictures taken.
The non-marine version -perkins made, not the kubota look alike - has the same oil pump.
Fair wind
Christian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in le Marin Martinique


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<amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> a écrit :

Christian Alby,


I have been keeping my eye out for a replacement pump for you but so far no luck.. I think that you are correct that the worn pump is at least part of what is causing the lower than normal oil pressure. The sudden drop of oil pressure to 0 when you reach 2000 RPM is very strange and I have been pondering a possible cause. It makes me think that somehow the pump gear has sopped stopped turning. Did you notice if any of the gears on your oil pump are pinned to the shaft? I have seen some oil pumps secured with pins but am not sure about the Perkins 4.154, hence this is just an educated guess. If one of these pins were to shear from the engine runaway and lack of lubrication which you said occurred when the engine failed, you might still have enough friction present to drive the pump gear at low engine speeds but it could then begin to slip. Replacement of that pin (if it exists) might solve the problem with the sudden loss of oil pressure. Please let me know if you someday figure out what is the actual cause of this sudden loss of oil pressure. I will post here if I am able to find another pump. Can you tell me from your research if the non-marine version of the 4-154 has the same oil pump as your engine?

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Jan 23, 2018, at 8:15 AM, christian alby calbyy@... <mailto:calbyy@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:

Miles,

The voice of Volvo D2/55 la 3 fold
Available immediatly in Martinique.
Do not want a turbo on my marine engine, useless & more prone to failures.
Recent model , widely spread, will find parts for a while.

Against volvo
Tied up with agents for service & parts.
Price ...

I still might give up on replacement here in martinique & keep on looking for an oil pump to do repairs, then sail to better deal location.

Note : old faithful M 4.154 is still reliable & so easy to run & maintain. Regrets

Christian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in le Marin Martinique.





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<amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> a écrit :

Hi there Christian

As a fellow maramu owner with an older engine I’d be interested in your thoughts about the Volvo D2/55 as a replacement vs other alternatives..

Size, simplicity, cost etc? What led you to choose the Volvo?

Many thanks and best wishes

Miles

Sent from my iPhone

On 21 Jan 2018, at 14:29, christian alby calbyy@... <mailto:calbyy@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:



Thanks for concern & assistance Bill
guess all the advice & analysis of fault helped me come to the conclusion (already uderstood & applied before) that there is no shortcut when repairing engines or sailing boats.
Oil pump is at fault - 100% sure
camshaft is unllikely eve though showing some wear on,poppets.

I am now in Le Marin, waiting for a firm quote on one Volvo D2/55 available for fit up ... on solution even though unplanned this year;
I am also looking for one Perkins Oil pump ..... could replace in situ at no great cost & would postpone replacement by new engine to 2019
or back to Europ in April & do a change over of engines with Perkins or else ... Selling back my 'Old Faithful'

fair winds
chrsitian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - Le Marin Martinique



Le ‎dimanche‎ ‎31‎ ‎décembre‎ ‎2017‎ ‎12‎:‎53‎:‎11‎ ‎-04, greatketch@... <mailto:greatketch@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups..com <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> a écrit :





Christian,

I am afraid I have no good ideas that match your symptoms! Since you have both the gauge and alarm reporting low pressure, I have to assume it is real and not a problem with the measurement.

Sometimes low oil level can cause low pressure at high rpm as the pump sucks so much oil out of the crankcase it sucks air, but you checked that.

A stuck open pressure relief valve that resets itself when the engine shuts down could be an an issue, but that seems unlikely.

Maybe someone else has an idea or two... in any event do let us know what the solution turns out to be!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Key West, FL



---In amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>, <calbyy@....> wrote :

Here is

Yes - oil pressure gauge and l'os pressure alarme on
When oil pressure below 1 bar, alarme nées
Oil pressure drops quickly at 2000 rpm
Oil pressure remains stable when low or normal
Oil pressure remains low when reducing speed from 2000

No loss of oil single de started.
Ran 1hour maneuvring in port at 1300 rpm at 2 bars, went To idle after 1 hour at 700 rpm with 1.1 bar oil pressure.
Did not risk acceleration.

Thks for assiste

Christian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in Mindelo Carbo Verde



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<amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> a écrit :

Losing oil pressure at high RPM and having it come back at low RPM is a bit of a puzzle to me. There are ways it can happen, but they are a bit exotic


Do you have an oil pressure gauge AND an low oil pressure alarm?
If so, is the gauge showing low pressure AND you get an alarm?
Does the oil pressure drop quickly at 2000RPM or does it drift down slowly?
Is it stable, or does it bounce around?
Does it come back quickly when you reduce the RPM, or does it stay low?





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] B&G sonic speed for sale

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

your e-mail address broke my computer :(

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 11:59 AM, kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I replaced my sonic speed for paddle wheel type as the sonic sensors failed, and I did not feel like digging the old out and re-glassing new ones. I have the old sonic speed main control box that was returned to A & T instruments in the UK for a check and found to be in perfect order. I would like to offer this control unit for sale. I have the paperwork from A&T.


Nick S/Y Amelia (located Antigua) but I am in the UK with the sonic speed controller. Could send it anywhere.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leece Neville 175 A 24v alternator

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Nick

Yes, I believe any alternator will self-excite at higher revs.

One side of the relay has 12VDVC input when the engine start switch is turned to ON. The other side of the relay switches ON 24VDC to excite the alternator.

It is likely a loose or dirty connection on the relay.

Some Amels had the red warning light for the alternator wired in series with the excite circuit, and if that bulb were burned-out, the alternator will not excite. To be on the safe side, check that bulb, which on a SM is located on the bottom left of the 24 Volt panel. 


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Jan 24, 2018 12:49, "kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,


The boat is in Antigua, but I am in the UK for the moment. So you suspect that the excitation circuit needs to be checked. If this is the case I guess it self excites at the higher rpm. Would you agree?

Nick


B&G sonic speed for sale

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I replaced my sonic speed for paddle wheel type as the sonic sensors failed, and I did not feel like digging the old out and re-glassing new ones. I have the old sonic speed main control box that was returned to A & T instruments in the UK for a check and found to be in perfect order. I would like to offer this control unit for sale. I have the paperwork from A&T.


Nick S/Y Amelia (located Antigua) but I am in the UK with the sonic speed controller. Could send it anywhere.


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kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@...
 

Hi Bill,

The boat is in Antigua, but I am in the UK for the moment. So you suspect that the excitation circuit needs to be checked. If this is the case I guess it self excites at the higher rpm. Would you agree?

Nick