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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Again, I believe the D400, while a fine unit is totally unsuitable for mizzen top mounting because of weight, bulk, and its awkward swing to the side feathering.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 06 February 2018 at 05:55 "Siviero Attilio attilio.siviero@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Paul,

I had, for some years a Silentwind on top of mizzenmast. Installation was not easy, with a SS mast and a SS plate with 16 bolts and silentblocks. Electric brake did not work properly and noise was not an issue, but vibration due to length of mast was an issue in the aft cabin. After a couple of years silent blocks failed (black rubber pieces exposed to light all the time) and the windgen was hanging to power cables. I reinstalled but again very noisy due to the fact that seagulls or other birds took pieces of the blades - carbon - so the unit was unbalanced and the bearing had to be replaced, along with blades. That time I decided to move the unit with a SS cantilever at mid mast, much more manageable and less vibration inducer.
Lesson lernt: on top of mizzen mast windgen is a source of issues, better on appropriate cantilever at mid mast.
Also, Silentwind is not very silent, maybe D400, with 5 blades, is better even if more expensive and heavy, but much more silent and less vibrating.
If I start over I think I buy D400
Hope it helps
Attilio 
SY Sisila Amel SN#84 in Leros-Greece

Il giorno 05 feb 2018, alle ore 17:30, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:


We plan to install a wind generator probably a Rutland 1200 on top of the mizzen mast.


We are currently not at the boat (Georgetown Maryland) and wonder if someone know how the top of the mizzenmast look like? Measures? Is it easy access to put nuts and bolts through the top to bolt the wind generator? Any advise from someone who have made that before would be appreciated. There is a mounting kit in aluminium available for 499 $ looks expensive to me, thinking of having one made in 316 SS would probably be less cost. Weight a loft is of course an issue.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Lagos Portugal



 

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Paul, Danny again. Attilo's experience (and the others posted) show why only the right unit is suitable for mizzen top mounting. The super wind 350 is designed to withstand hurricane force winds untended.Check their web site.  Just 4 bolts to mount it and a thin rubber sheet. No noise and no vibration, no one has ever heard it and we often get remarks about that. And nine years non stop use before the first service

Regards

Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 06 February 2018 at 05:55 "Siviero Attilio attilio.siviero@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Paul,

I had, for some years a Silentwind on top of mizzenmast. Installation was not easy, with a SS mast and a SS plate with 16 bolts and silentblocks. Electric brake did not work properly and noise was not an issue, but vibration due to length of mast was an issue in the aft cabin. After a couple of years silent blocks failed (black rubber pieces exposed to light all the time) and the windgen was hanging to power cables. I reinstalled but again very noisy due to the fact that seagulls or other birds took pieces of the blades - carbon - so the unit was unbalanced and the bearing had to be replaced, along with blades. That time I decided to move the unit with a SS cantilever at mid mast, much more manageable and less vibration inducer.
Lesson lernt: on top of mizzen mast windgen is a source of issues, better on appropriate cantilever at mid mast.
Also, Silentwind is not very silent, maybe D400, with 5 blades, is better even if more expensive and heavy, but much more silent and less vibrating.
If I start over I think I buy D400
Hope it helps
Attilio 
SY Sisila Amel SN#84 in Leros-Greece

Il giorno 05 feb 2018, alle ore 17:30, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:


We plan to install a wind generator probably a Rutland 1200 on top of the mizzen mast.


We are currently not at the boat (Georgetown Maryland) and wonder if someone know how the top of the mizzenmast look like? Measures? Is it easy access to put nuts and bolts through the top to bolt the wind generator? Any advise from someone who have made that before would be appreciated. There is a mounting kit in aluminium available for 499 $ looks expensive to me, thinking of having one made in 316 SS would probably be less cost. Weight a loft is of course an issue.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Lagos Portugal



 

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Paul, we have had a Super Wind 350 on top of the mizzen for 9 years. It is super quiet and importantly has a blade feathering system that comes in progressively as the wind gets stronger so it doesn't fly to pieces in a gale or hurricane.It weighs about 8 kg.  Our SM 299 has a flat top to the mizzen with a plate that extends beyond the edges of the mast allowing four bolts to secure the generator mast. You need to put some insertion rubber sheet (ours is about 3mm thick) between the generator mast and the mizzen to damp vibration. I will post a photo later as we have the generator off for its first ever service.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 06 February 2018 at 05:30 "osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

We plan to install a wind generator probably a Rutland 1200 on top of the mizzen mast.

 

We are currently not at the boat (Georgetown Maryland) and wonder if someone know how the top of the mizzenmast look like? Measures? Is it easy access to put nuts and bolts through the top to bolt the wind generator? Any advise from someone who have made that before would be appreciated. There is a mounting kit in aluminium available for 499 $ looks expensive to me, thinking of having one made in 316 SS would probably be less cost. Weight a loft is of course an issue.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Lagos Portugal


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@...
 

Hi I have a pair of Rutland 1200's on a solar arch and have found that the blades make almost no noise. So on deck they are very quiet but, and it is a big but, they resonate into the aft cabin such that if it is breezy we shut them down at night in order to sleep. I put a rubber plate on the mounts but it only helped a bit. I often wonder whether we made a mistake and should have only bought one and mounted it on the mizzen!

I have to say that at sea so long as we are not running downwind they are amazing, such that we can run all the systems and never drain the batteries. There is always lots of noise whilst sailing anyway, that the resonating inside is not a problem. It actually dulls the autopilot ram that is under the bed in the aft cabin!

Nick 
Amelia Amel 54 #019


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

JOHN HAYES
 

Hi Paul

Our Rutland disintegrated in 50 55 knot winds off New Zealand South Island 

Was told by an experienced French sailor that the Rutland we had was only rated to 40 knots

We replaced with a silent wind 2000 (?) higher up the mizzen than the Rutland had been to clear main topping lift etc

Works well with higher output and no vibration but some background blade noise which is not an annoying issue. The brake system either auto or manual works very well
But yes expensive 
Oops!
John Hayes Nga Waka Santorin hull 17

Wellington NZ





On 6/02/2018, at 5:30 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We plan to install a wind generator probably a Rutland 1200 on top of the mizzen mast.

We are currently not at the boat (Georgetown Maryland) and wonder if someone know how the top of the mizzenmast look like? Measures? Is it easy access to put nuts and bolts through the top to bolt the wind generator? Any advise from someone who have made that before would be appreciated. There is a mounting kit in aluminium available for 499 $ looks expensive to me, thinking of having one made in 316 SS would probably be less cost. Weight a loft is of course an issue.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Lagos Portugal



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

JOHN HAYES
 

Hi Paul

Our Rutland disintegrated in 50 55 knot winds off New Zealand South Island 

Was told by an experienced French sailor that the Rutland we had was only rated to 40 knots

We replaced with a silent wind 2000 (?) higher up the mizzen than the Rutland had been to clear main topping lift etc

Works well with higher output and no vibration but some background blade noise which is not an annoying issue. The brake system either auto or manual works very well
But yes expensive 





On 6/02/2018, at 5:30 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We plan to install a wind generator probably a Rutland 1200 on top of the mizzen mast.

We are currently not at the boat (Georgetown Maryland) and wonder if someone know how the top of the mizzenmast look like? Measures? Is it easy access to put nuts and bolts through the top to bolt the wind generator? Any advise from someone who have made that before would be appreciated. There is a mounting kit in aluminium available for 499 $ looks expensive to me, thinking of having one made in 316 SS would probably be less cost. Weight a loft is of course an issue.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Lagos Portugal



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

Mark Garver
 

Paul,

Ours is also midway up the Mizzenmast and we find it to be quite effective and really haven’t noticed vibrations or noise from vibrations. Only problem is we can’t really fly the Mizzen Ballooner due to fear of it tearing on the wind generator.

Best,

Mark
S/V It’s Good
Amel SM #105


On Feb 5, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Siviero Attilio attilio.siviero@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Paul,

I had, for some years a Silentwind on top of mizzenmast. Installation was not easy, with a SS mast and a SS plate with 16 bolts and silentblocks. Electric brake did not work properly and noise was not an issue, but vibration due to length of mast was an issue in the aft cabin. After a couple of years silent blocks failed (black rubber pieces exposed to light all the time) and the windgen was hanging to power cables. I reinstalled but again very noisy due to the fact that seagulls or other birds took pieces of the blades - carbon - so the unit was unbalanced and the bearing had to be replaced, along with blades. That time I decided to move the unit with a SS cantilever at mid mast, much more manageable and less vibration inducer.
Lesson lernt: on top of mizzen mast windgen is a source of issues, better on appropriate cantilever at mid mast.
Also, Silentwind is not very silent, maybe D400, with 5 blades, is better even if more expensive and heavy, but much more silent and less vibrating.
If I start over I think I buy D400
Hope it helps
Attilio 
SY Sisila Amel SN#84 in Leros-Greece

Il giorno 05 feb 2018, alle ore 17:30, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:


We plan to install a wind generator probably a Rutland 1200 on top of the mizzen mast.


We are currently not at the boat (Georgetown Maryland) and wonder if someone know how the top of the mizzenmast look like? Measures? Is it easy access to put nuts and bolts through the top to bolt the wind generator? Any advise from someone who have made that before would be appreciated. There is a mounting kit in aluminium available for 499 $ looks expensive to me, thinking of having one made in 316 SS would probably be less cost. Weight a loft is of course an issue.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Lagos Portugal





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

Siviero Attilio <attilio.siviero@...>
 

Hi Paul,
I had, for some years a Silentwind on top of mizzenmast. Installation was not easy, with a SS mast and a SS plate with 16 bolts and silentblocks. Electric brake did not work properly and noise was not an issue, but vibration due to length of mast was an issue in the aft cabin. After a couple of years silent blocks failed (black rubber pieces exposed to light all the time) and the windgen was hanging to power cables. I reinstalled but again very noisy due to the fact that seagulls or other birds took pieces of the blades - carbon - so the unit was unbalanced and the bearing had to be replaced, along with blades. That time I decided to move the unit with a SS cantilever at mid mast, much more manageable and less vibration inducer.
Lesson lernt: on top of mizzen mast windgen is a source of issues, better on appropriate cantilever at mid mast.
Also, Silentwind is not very silent, maybe D400, with 5 blades, is better even if more expensive and heavy, but much more silent and less vibrating.
If I start over I think I buy D400
Hope it helps
Attilio 
SY Sisila Amel SN#84 in Leros-Greece

Il giorno 05 feb 2018, alle ore 17:30, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:


We plan to install a wind generator probably a Rutland 1200 on top of the mizzen mast.


We are currently not at the boat (Georgetown Maryland) and wonder if someone know how the top of the mizzenmast look like? Measures? Is it easy access to put nuts and bolts through the top to bolt the wind generator? Any advise from someone who have made that before would be appreciated. There is a mounting kit in aluminium available for 499 $ looks expensive to me, thinking of having one made in 316 SS would probably be less cost. Weight a loft is of course an issue.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Lagos Portugal





Wind generator

Paul Osterberg
 

We plan to install a wind generator probably a Rutland 1200 on top of the mizzen mast.

We are currently not at the boat (Georgetown Maryland) and wonder if someone know how the top of the mizzenmast look like? Measures? Is it easy access to put nuts and bolts through the top to bolt the wind generator? Any advise from someone who have made that before would be appreciated. There is a mounting kit in aluminium available for 499 $ looks expensive to me, thinking of having one made in 316 SS would probably be less cost. Weight a loft is of course an issue.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Lagos Portugal



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow Thruster won't come up

Bob Grey
 

It’s a changeover reed switch, 3 contacts NO / COM / NC 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Monday, February 5, 2018, 20:08, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Excellent Duanne,

Glad it was as simple as the sensor !!!

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Sun, 2/4/18, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow Thruster won't come up
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, February 4, 2018, 11:56 AM


 









A fellow Amel owner here in GA loaned me one of his
spare sensor and bingo!  The sensor was the problem and now
I'm looking for replacements.  Maud on Friday said she
would let me know on Monday if they have any in
stock.
These sensors are
unusual because they are "normally closed" (NC)
reed switches, based on the diagram on the sensor. 
I've looked a lot of places and have not found an NC
reed switch with a 20W and 0.3A rating.  If it's an NC
switch then it's a 10W switch, or a 0.1A rating. 
Frustrating.  Also, most don't have an LED
light.
Any thoughts on
a company to check with?Duane




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow Thruster won't come up

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Excellent Duanne,

Glad it was as simple as the sensor !!!

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Sun, 2/4/18, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow Thruster won't come up
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, February 4, 2018, 11:56 AM


 









A fellow Amel owner here in GA loaned me one of his
spare sensor and bingo!  The sensor was the problem and now
I'm looking for replacements.  Maud on Friday said she
would let me know on Monday if they have any in
stock.
These sensors are
unusual because they are "normally closed" (NC)
reed switches, based on the diagram on the sensor. 
I've looked a lot of places and have not found an NC
reed switch with a 20W and 0.3A rating.  If it's an NC
switch then it's a 10W switch, or a 0.1A rating. 
Frustrating.  Also, most don't have an LED
light.
Any thoughts on
a company to check with?Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Aft Cabin Hatch Holder [1 Attachment]

Ian Townsend
 

Thanks Bill for the photo and everyone for the suggestions.

Ian Townsend 
Loca Lola II 
SM153
George Town, Exuma


On Feb 4, 2018, at 5:07 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ian,

Attached


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Feb 4, 2018 14:52, "smlocalola@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have been told there is a special AMEL device/fixture that will prop the aft cabin hatch open. We can't find one on board so we would like to make one. Would anyone have a photo?


Ian Townsend

Loca Lola II 

SM 153

George Town, Exumas, Bahamas



Re: Maramu: Location for watermaker

sbmesasailor
 

Hi Miles,

We mounted the reverse osmosis and the high pressure pump in the engine compartment.  We located the feed pump in the port cockpit lazarette, down by the fresh water heater.  We had to locate the feed pump outside the engine compartment because it would overheat.

Wherever you end up locating it, because it draws seawater, I recommend the location has direct drain to the bilge in case of a broken connection.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu #121 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Aft Cabin Hatch Holder

greatketch@...
 

Our boat came with a "custom made" hatch prop.  A 1"x2"x10" piece of unfinished teak.  Inserted longwise it held the hatch wide open, edgewise just a bit open, and laid flat just a crack.

Even though it was "stored" just laid on the after deck outside the hatch, it somehow survived TWO circumnavigations just fine.  We had it wash overboard after a year. Bummer.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Great Guana Cay, Bahamas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Aft Cabin Hatch Holder

karkauai
 

I made 3 different-length props with pvc pipe and rubber table leg ends 5/8" dia.  A second set for the dodger window allows me to crack it open for air when the traveler is moved to port.

I don't remember who now, but another member showed me this several years ago.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Feb 4, 2018, at 15:51, smlocalola@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I have been told there is a special AMEL device/fixture that will prop the aft cabin hatch open. We can't find one on board so we would like to make one. Would anyone have a photo?


Ian Townsend

Loca Lola II 

SM 153

George Town, Exumas, Bahamas



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Aft Cabin Hatch Holder

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ian,

Attached


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Feb 4, 2018 14:52, "smlocalola@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have been told there is a special AMEL device/fixture that will prop the aft cabin hatch open. We can't find one on board so we would like to make one. Would anyone have a photo?


Ian Townsend

Loca Lola II 

SM 153

George Town, Exumas, Bahamas



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Aft Cabin Hatch Holder

Craig Briggs
 

or use chop sticks 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Aft Cabin Hatch Holder

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

No need for a special holder; just tighten the large Allen key situated on… opinion… the port side of the hinge.  Works like a champ.

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007



On 4 Feb 2018, at 15:51, smlocalola@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


I have been told there is a special AMEL device/fixture that will prop the aft cabin hatch open. We can't find one on board so we would like to make one. Would anyone have a photo?


Ian Townsend

Loca Lola II 

SM 153

George Town, Exumas, Bahamas





SM Aft Cabin Hatch Holder

Ian Townsend
 

I have been told there is a special AMEL device/fixture that will prop the aft cabin hatch open. We can't find one on board so we would like to make one. Would anyone have a photo?


Ian Townsend

Loca Lola II 

SM 153

George Town, Exumas, Bahamas



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma Compact 9 Capacitors

eric freedman
 

I could not find the small capacitors with leads attached, also the other two need to fit in the white box. They are round, most of the ones I have seen on the market are oval or are of a different size and do not fit.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 12:46 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma Compact 9 Capacitors

 

 

JAMES,

 

Capacitors are generic items and there is no reason to buy them from Climma. Check capacitors ratings. It should be written on the capacitors. Order online in any electronics supply distributer.

 

On Feb 3, 2018 21:25, "jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everyone.  

Can anyone recommend a source for replacement capacitors for the Climma Compact 9 AC units on the SM2000?



Thanks!

James



Soteria

SM2000 #347