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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wet Cell Batteries

Dan Carlson
 

"End of life" of lead acid batts is a good question.  I would think that it is some relation to the banks ability meet your daily energy needs.  Perhaps getting thru the night and still being at a 50% state of charge in the am would be one value? Or some other value based on personal comfort (i.e.are you close to marinas and services or are you heading fare off shore...).    I think that with your solar capacity and generator, you can push your batteries close to that before replacing.  You can estimate state of charge in the morning before the sun gets up by the bank voltage. You can corroborate this periodically with SG measurements.

I monitor my batteries pretty much daily now by checking the bank voltage at 6:30am (before getting solar input), and noting the current load and my overnight consumption  (amp/hrs on the meter).  

I think another good question is battery bank capacity.  Our SM's were sizes up with 12 batteries when the extra freezer was added, and that was before solar. With significant solar charging throughout the day, do we really need 630 amp/hrs when you are using less than 10% overnight?  So based on this you can afford to remove a pair or two of bad batteries before you would need to replace the rest of your bank.

Sorry for the delayed response. We are off sailing.

Best regards, Dan and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387. 








On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 1:39 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

Dan,


Thanks for the informative reply.  

I had tried to upload a spreadsheet with our SG readings in it, but Yahoo was acting up.  I tried again in this reply, but it won't upload the attachment.  The average SG was 1.226 with a low cell of 1.215 and a high cell of 1.445.  

I think I'm probably going to have to remove the pair that has the low SG reading battery in it from the wiring.  I won't pull the batteries out of the box since they make for a nice tight fit.

The batteries were new in August of 2016, so they're less than two years old.  The next time I replace the batteries, I'm going to replace the charger as well.  Having a charger that will equalize the batteries, and has adjustable charging voltages, only makes sense.  The cost of the battery charger is about equal to new batteries so it's an investment, but we plan to keep the boat a few more years.

I'm still wondering when you replace the entire suite of batteries?  The lower limit of the "fair" range on my SG tester is 1.210 so I guess that's the trigger for replacement?

Replacing the charger with a charger/inverter, the inverter will be a boon for AC for the microwave and outlets (i.e. popcorn and computer charging anytime you want to!).  I don't expect my third Xantrex Prosine 1800 watt inverter to last any longer than the first two did (replaced sequentially under a two year warranty).

Thanks again,

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


rotary drive

Niklas Glöggler
 


Hello

I am gonna install a second autopilot Raymarine rotary drive type 2 and wonder if anyone have the size on the chain and sprocket and were i can find it?

Regards Niklas Glöggler SY Nipe Amel Super Maramu 2000 #333



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

Paul Osterberg
 

Mark
That the concern i have when placing the wind generator half way up the mizzen the problem to fly the mizzen balooner, maybe by adding a sock to the balooner the risk of having it into the windgenerator decrease and that one need to put the generator at rest  but that no issue as usually very little effect from the wind generator when condition for the mizzen balooner,

Paul


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

Paul Osterberg
 

John 
Thank you, will chek up the Rutland 1200 ability to withstand wind
we plan to make the full voyage around so we probably will encounter some strong wind now and then

Paul on SY kerpa SM#259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

Paul Osterberg
 

Danny!
Thank you for input.
Can*t find any photos

Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Paul, herewith two photos of the mounting for the super wind for the mizzen top.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On 6 Feb 2018 07:39, "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Paul, we have had a Super Wind 350 on top of the mizzen for 9 years. It is super quiet and importantly has a blade feathering system that comes in progressively as the wind gets stronger so it doesn't fly to pieces in a gale or hurricane.It weighs about 8 kg.  Our SM 299 has a flat top to the mizzen with a plate that extends beyond the edges of the mast allowing four bolts to secure the generator mast. You need to put some insertion rubber sheet (ours is about 3mm thick) between the generator mast and the mizzen to damp vibration. I will post a photo later as we have the generator off for its first ever service.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 06 February 2018 at 05:30 "osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

We plan to install a wind generator probably a Rutland 1200 on top of the mizzen mast.

 

We are currently not at the boat (Georgetown Maryland) and wonder if someone know how the top of the mizzenmast look like? Measures? Is it easy access to put nuts and bolts through the top to bolt the wind generator? Any advise from someone who have made that before would be appreciated. There is a mounting kit in aluminium available for 499 $ looks expensive to me, thinking of having one made in 316 SS would probably be less cost. Weight a loft is of course an issue.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Lagos Portugal


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow Thruster won't come up

Duane Siegfri
 

Bob,

I posted in https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/files/Bow%20Thruster%20Maintenance/ in the FFV.pdf file the manufacturers sheet for the linear actuator switch.  I believe ours is the 4th switch from the right.  I also posted photos of the linear actuator switch and the control board (front and back) in https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/161606487

I don't see that this is a 3 contact switch, it only has two wires coming from it.  Do you have something other than the Super Maramu?  Maybe your setup is different.  You will note on the photo of the switch the little switch symbol shows it as a normally closed switch, and you will see the same icon in the FFV.pdf file from the manufacturers literature, and listed as a normally closed switch.

I opened up the black plastic casing and there is a circuit board inside.  I'm not an electronics guy but there are gizmos on the board that are likely transisitors, resistors, and the reed switch.  I could post photos of that if there is any interest.

The disconcerting thing about this is that a simple reed switch should show continuity either with a magnet (normally open), or without a magnet (normally closed).  This switch does not show continuity with or without a magnet, leading me to believe there must be power present for the switch to operate.  I had an electronics tech in the marina verify my tests and he agreed.  We oriented the magnet in all directions and reversed the leads fo the multimeter to possibly account for polarity.  Taking into account the fact that the symbology on the switch identifies it as a normally closed switch, and it does not show continuity, there must be an electromagnet or some other means to close the switch for the "normal" position so that the magnet on the actuator can open the circuit.

Takeaway:  order it from Maude or the factory.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Again, I believe the D400, while a fine unit is totally unsuitable for mizzen top mounting because of weight, bulk, and its awkward swing to the side feathering.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 06 February 2018 at 05:55 "Siviero Attilio attilio.siviero@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Paul,

I had, for some years a Silentwind on top of mizzenmast. Installation was not easy, with a SS mast and a SS plate with 16 bolts and silentblocks. Electric brake did not work properly and noise was not an issue, but vibration due to length of mast was an issue in the aft cabin. After a couple of years silent blocks failed (black rubber pieces exposed to light all the time) and the windgen was hanging to power cables. I reinstalled but again very noisy due to the fact that seagulls or other birds took pieces of the blades - carbon - so the unit was unbalanced and the bearing had to be replaced, along with blades. That time I decided to move the unit with a SS cantilever at mid mast, much more manageable and less vibration inducer.
Lesson lernt: on top of mizzen mast windgen is a source of issues, better on appropriate cantilever at mid mast.
Also, Silentwind is not very silent, maybe D400, with 5 blades, is better even if more expensive and heavy, but much more silent and less vibrating.
If I start over I think I buy D400
Hope it helps
Attilio 
SY Sisila Amel SN#84 in Leros-Greece

Il giorno 05 feb 2018, alle ore 17:30, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:


We plan to install a wind generator probably a Rutland 1200 on top of the mizzen mast.


We are currently not at the boat (Georgetown Maryland) and wonder if someone know how the top of the mizzenmast look like? Measures? Is it easy access to put nuts and bolts through the top to bolt the wind generator? Any advise from someone who have made that before would be appreciated. There is a mounting kit in aluminium available for 499 $ looks expensive to me, thinking of having one made in 316 SS would probably be less cost. Weight a loft is of course an issue.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Lagos Portugal



 

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Paul, Danny again. Attilo's experience (and the others posted) show why only the right unit is suitable for mizzen top mounting. The super wind 350 is designed to withstand hurricane force winds untended.Check their web site.  Just 4 bolts to mount it and a thin rubber sheet. No noise and no vibration, no one has ever heard it and we often get remarks about that. And nine years non stop use before the first service

Regards

Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 06 February 2018 at 05:55 "Siviero Attilio attilio.siviero@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Paul,

I had, for some years a Silentwind on top of mizzenmast. Installation was not easy, with a SS mast and a SS plate with 16 bolts and silentblocks. Electric brake did not work properly and noise was not an issue, but vibration due to length of mast was an issue in the aft cabin. After a couple of years silent blocks failed (black rubber pieces exposed to light all the time) and the windgen was hanging to power cables. I reinstalled but again very noisy due to the fact that seagulls or other birds took pieces of the blades - carbon - so the unit was unbalanced and the bearing had to be replaced, along with blades. That time I decided to move the unit with a SS cantilever at mid mast, much more manageable and less vibration inducer.
Lesson lernt: on top of mizzen mast windgen is a source of issues, better on appropriate cantilever at mid mast.
Also, Silentwind is not very silent, maybe D400, with 5 blades, is better even if more expensive and heavy, but much more silent and less vibrating.
If I start over I think I buy D400
Hope it helps
Attilio 
SY Sisila Amel SN#84 in Leros-Greece

Il giorno 05 feb 2018, alle ore 17:30, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:


We plan to install a wind generator probably a Rutland 1200 on top of the mizzen mast.


We are currently not at the boat (Georgetown Maryland) and wonder if someone know how the top of the mizzenmast look like? Measures? Is it easy access to put nuts and bolts through the top to bolt the wind generator? Any advise from someone who have made that before would be appreciated. There is a mounting kit in aluminium available for 499 $ looks expensive to me, thinking of having one made in 316 SS would probably be less cost. Weight a loft is of course an issue.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Lagos Portugal



 

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Paul, we have had a Super Wind 350 on top of the mizzen for 9 years. It is super quiet and importantly has a blade feathering system that comes in progressively as the wind gets stronger so it doesn't fly to pieces in a gale or hurricane.It weighs about 8 kg.  Our SM 299 has a flat top to the mizzen with a plate that extends beyond the edges of the mast allowing four bolts to secure the generator mast. You need to put some insertion rubber sheet (ours is about 3mm thick) between the generator mast and the mizzen to damp vibration. I will post a photo later as we have the generator off for its first ever service.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 06 February 2018 at 05:30 "osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

We plan to install a wind generator probably a Rutland 1200 on top of the mizzen mast.

 

We are currently not at the boat (Georgetown Maryland) and wonder if someone know how the top of the mizzenmast look like? Measures? Is it easy access to put nuts and bolts through the top to bolt the wind generator? Any advise from someone who have made that before would be appreciated. There is a mounting kit in aluminium available for 499 $ looks expensive to me, thinking of having one made in 316 SS would probably be less cost. Weight a loft is of course an issue.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Lagos Portugal


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@...
 

Hi I have a pair of Rutland 1200's on a solar arch and have found that the blades make almost no noise. So on deck they are very quiet but, and it is a big but, they resonate into the aft cabin such that if it is breezy we shut them down at night in order to sleep. I put a rubber plate on the mounts but it only helped a bit. I often wonder whether we made a mistake and should have only bought one and mounted it on the mizzen!

I have to say that at sea so long as we are not running downwind they are amazing, such that we can run all the systems and never drain the batteries. There is always lots of noise whilst sailing anyway, that the resonating inside is not a problem. It actually dulls the autopilot ram that is under the bed in the aft cabin!

Nick 
Amelia Amel 54 #019


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

JOHN HAYES
 

Hi Paul

Our Rutland disintegrated in 50 55 knot winds off New Zealand South Island 

Was told by an experienced French sailor that the Rutland we had was only rated to 40 knots

We replaced with a silent wind 2000 (?) higher up the mizzen than the Rutland had been to clear main topping lift etc

Works well with higher output and no vibration but some background blade noise which is not an annoying issue. The brake system either auto or manual works very well
But yes expensive 
Oops!
John Hayes Nga Waka Santorin hull 17

Wellington NZ





On 6/02/2018, at 5:30 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We plan to install a wind generator probably a Rutland 1200 on top of the mizzen mast.

We are currently not at the boat (Georgetown Maryland) and wonder if someone know how the top of the mizzenmast look like? Measures? Is it easy access to put nuts and bolts through the top to bolt the wind generator? Any advise from someone who have made that before would be appreciated. There is a mounting kit in aluminium available for 499 $ looks expensive to me, thinking of having one made in 316 SS would probably be less cost. Weight a loft is of course an issue.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Lagos Portugal



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

JOHN HAYES
 

Hi Paul

Our Rutland disintegrated in 50 55 knot winds off New Zealand South Island 

Was told by an experienced French sailor that the Rutland we had was only rated to 40 knots

We replaced with a silent wind 2000 (?) higher up the mizzen than the Rutland had been to clear main topping lift etc

Works well with higher output and no vibration but some background blade noise which is not an annoying issue. The brake system either auto or manual works very well
But yes expensive 





On 6/02/2018, at 5:30 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We plan to install a wind generator probably a Rutland 1200 on top of the mizzen mast.

We are currently not at the boat (Georgetown Maryland) and wonder if someone know how the top of the mizzenmast look like? Measures? Is it easy access to put nuts and bolts through the top to bolt the wind generator? Any advise from someone who have made that before would be appreciated. There is a mounting kit in aluminium available for 499 $ looks expensive to me, thinking of having one made in 316 SS would probably be less cost. Weight a loft is of course an issue.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Lagos Portugal



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

Mark Garver
 

Paul,

Ours is also midway up the Mizzenmast and we find it to be quite effective and really haven’t noticed vibrations or noise from vibrations. Only problem is we can’t really fly the Mizzen Ballooner due to fear of it tearing on the wind generator.

Best,

Mark
S/V It’s Good
Amel SM #105


On Feb 5, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Siviero Attilio attilio.siviero@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Paul,

I had, for some years a Silentwind on top of mizzenmast. Installation was not easy, with a SS mast and a SS plate with 16 bolts and silentblocks. Electric brake did not work properly and noise was not an issue, but vibration due to length of mast was an issue in the aft cabin. After a couple of years silent blocks failed (black rubber pieces exposed to light all the time) and the windgen was hanging to power cables. I reinstalled but again very noisy due to the fact that seagulls or other birds took pieces of the blades - carbon - so the unit was unbalanced and the bearing had to be replaced, along with blades. That time I decided to move the unit with a SS cantilever at mid mast, much more manageable and less vibration inducer.
Lesson lernt: on top of mizzen mast windgen is a source of issues, better on appropriate cantilever at mid mast.
Also, Silentwind is not very silent, maybe D400, with 5 blades, is better even if more expensive and heavy, but much more silent and less vibrating.
If I start over I think I buy D400
Hope it helps
Attilio 
SY Sisila Amel SN#84 in Leros-Greece

Il giorno 05 feb 2018, alle ore 17:30, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:


We plan to install a wind generator probably a Rutland 1200 on top of the mizzen mast.


We are currently not at the boat (Georgetown Maryland) and wonder if someone know how the top of the mizzenmast look like? Measures? Is it easy access to put nuts and bolts through the top to bolt the wind generator? Any advise from someone who have made that before would be appreciated. There is a mounting kit in aluminium available for 499 $ looks expensive to me, thinking of having one made in 316 SS would probably be less cost. Weight a loft is of course an issue.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Lagos Portugal





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

Siviero Attilio <attilio.siviero@...>
 

Hi Paul,
I had, for some years a Silentwind on top of mizzenmast. Installation was not easy, with a SS mast and a SS plate with 16 bolts and silentblocks. Electric brake did not work properly and noise was not an issue, but vibration due to length of mast was an issue in the aft cabin. After a couple of years silent blocks failed (black rubber pieces exposed to light all the time) and the windgen was hanging to power cables. I reinstalled but again very noisy due to the fact that seagulls or other birds took pieces of the blades - carbon - so the unit was unbalanced and the bearing had to be replaced, along with blades. That time I decided to move the unit with a SS cantilever at mid mast, much more manageable and less vibration inducer.
Lesson lernt: on top of mizzen mast windgen is a source of issues, better on appropriate cantilever at mid mast.
Also, Silentwind is not very silent, maybe D400, with 5 blades, is better even if more expensive and heavy, but much more silent and less vibrating.
If I start over I think I buy D400
Hope it helps
Attilio 
SY Sisila Amel SN#84 in Leros-Greece

Il giorno 05 feb 2018, alle ore 17:30, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:


We plan to install a wind generator probably a Rutland 1200 on top of the mizzen mast.


We are currently not at the boat (Georgetown Maryland) and wonder if someone know how the top of the mizzenmast look like? Measures? Is it easy access to put nuts and bolts through the top to bolt the wind generator? Any advise from someone who have made that before would be appreciated. There is a mounting kit in aluminium available for 499 $ looks expensive to me, thinking of having one made in 316 SS would probably be less cost. Weight a loft is of course an issue.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Lagos Portugal





Wind generator

Paul Osterberg
 

We plan to install a wind generator probably a Rutland 1200 on top of the mizzen mast.

We are currently not at the boat (Georgetown Maryland) and wonder if someone know how the top of the mizzenmast look like? Measures? Is it easy access to put nuts and bolts through the top to bolt the wind generator? Any advise from someone who have made that before would be appreciated. There is a mounting kit in aluminium available for 499 $ looks expensive to me, thinking of having one made in 316 SS would probably be less cost. Weight a loft is of course an issue.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Lagos Portugal



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow Thruster won't come up

Bob Grey
 

It’s a changeover reed switch, 3 contacts NO / COM / NC 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Monday, February 5, 2018, 20:08, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Excellent Duanne,

Glad it was as simple as the sensor !!!

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Sun, 2/4/18, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow Thruster won't come up
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, February 4, 2018, 11:56 AM


 









A fellow Amel owner here in GA loaned me one of his
spare sensor and bingo!  The sensor was the problem and now
I'm looking for replacements.  Maud on Friday said she
would let me know on Monday if they have any in
stock.
These sensors are
unusual because they are "normally closed" (NC)
reed switches, based on the diagram on the sensor. 
I've looked a lot of places and have not found an NC
reed switch with a 20W and 0.3A rating.  If it's an NC
switch then it's a 10W switch, or a 0.1A rating. 
Frustrating.  Also, most don't have an LED
light.
Any thoughts on
a company to check with?Duane




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow Thruster won't come up

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Excellent Duanne,

Glad it was as simple as the sensor !!!

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Sun, 2/4/18, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow Thruster won't come up
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, February 4, 2018, 11:56 AM


 









A fellow Amel owner here in GA loaned me one of his
spare sensor and bingo!  The sensor was the problem and now
I'm looking for replacements.  Maud on Friday said she
would let me know on Monday if they have any in
stock.
These sensors are
unusual because they are "normally closed" (NC)
reed switches, based on the diagram on the sensor. 
I've looked a lot of places and have not found an NC
reed switch with a 20W and 0.3A rating.  If it's an NC
switch then it's a 10W switch, or a 0.1A rating. 
Frustrating.  Also, most don't have an LED
light.
Any thoughts on
a company to check with?Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Aft Cabin Hatch Holder [1 Attachment]

Ian Townsend
 

Thanks Bill for the photo and everyone for the suggestions.

Ian Townsend 
Loca Lola II 
SM153
George Town, Exuma


On Feb 4, 2018, at 5:07 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ian,

Attached


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Feb 4, 2018 14:52, "smlocalola@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have been told there is a special AMEL device/fixture that will prop the aft cabin hatch open. We can't find one on board so we would like to make one. Would anyone have a photo?


Ian Townsend

Loca Lola II 

SM 153

George Town, Exumas, Bahamas



Re: Maramu: Location for watermaker

sbmesasailor
 

Hi Miles,

We mounted the reverse osmosis and the high pressure pump in the engine compartment.  We located the feed pump in the port cockpit lazarette, down by the fresh water heater.  We had to locate the feed pump outside the engine compartment because it would overheat.

Wherever you end up locating it, because it draws seawater, I recommend the location has direct drain to the bilge in case of a broken connection.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu #121