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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] dinghy on deck during passages

Red1 Stella SM359
 

Thank you Dan for sharing your experience, this will be useful, I will have to practice taking the dinghy in and out with either the mizzen boom or the balooner halyard forward.
See the davits on Stella, a little light and useful only for short trips with calm water sailing.

For the dinghy on the bow, did you use a support or do you store her upside down?

Redouan
Stella SM359





On 7 Feb 2018, at 14:43, 'dancarlson367@...' dancarlson367@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Redouan, 


We've stored our dinghy on both bow and stern.  We've used the bow when we been going into a marina with stern to mooring. This keeps the stern deck clear for backing into the mooring and in close situations still allows you to launch the dinghy off of the bow.

For longer passages the preferred location would be the aft deck.  

At night, at anchor, we could hang the dinghy from the solar arch at night, but that requires manual hoisting and some securing against swinging.  So we hoist it with the mizzen balooner halyard, on the port side, using the electric main sheet winch and that is quick, easy and stable against the side rail at night. 

You also mentioned going ashore with a heavy dinghy.  We have used two approaches when we have had to beach the dinghy.
1) a few times we have been close to shore and we have not put the motor on and rowed to shore.  The dinghy is much easier to beach without the motor.  Or
2) we bring a couple of smaller 6-8 inch diameter fenders that we use as rollers under the keel of the dinghy to pull it up the beach and also launch. It's a little tricky, but is definately easier than dragging.  

Have fun sailing and figuring out what works best for you and your boat.

Best regards, Dan and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387




 

Thank you all for your answers, please note that I have no intention to sail far with dinghy on davits; at most some day relocation between moorings.  


I was looking for a recommendation comparing forward or aft storage.  I see many SM with dinghy forward like SV Delos for example, then on the aft sun deck under the Mizzain boom.  I assume the forward location impacts visibility but I just thought I would seek advice based on experience.

Note that I inherited a heavy dinghy with an aluminium hull and 15hp engine; I feel it is too much honestly as I am used to small light dinghy to go to shore, but now that I have it I would like to find a safe location for it without impacting too much both visibility and safety while keeping handling as simple as possible.  

For the moment my preferred option being upside down on the after sundeck and to use the mizzen boom for handling. and the engine mounted inside the stern locker.

Thank you again.

Stella SM359

On 7 Feb 2018, at 05:59, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


There were no original davits for the SM. It is probable a previous owner installed them.

However, please don't think about using any sort of davits for any offshore passage on a SM. Use the aft deck.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Feb 6, 2018 19:13, "Stella.AmelSM359@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello again,


I am looking at recommendations regarding storing the dinghy on deck for longer passages.  I have seen various options and photos with the dinghy forward or aft on the sundeck but would like to get recommendation from your experiences while crossing.  


Stella has original davits but they look flimsy and I am not comfortable for them to be used offshore, (I plan to use them to take the dinghy out while at anchorage at night. or short good weather sailing)


Stella SM359








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] dinghy on deck during passages

Dan Carlson
 

Hello Redouan, 

We've stored our dinghy on both bow and stern.  We've used the bow when we been going into a marina with stern to mooring. This keeps the stern deck clear for backing into the mooring and in close situations still allows you to launch the dinghy off of the bow.

For longer passages the preferred location would be the aft deck.  

At night, at anchor, we could hang the dinghy from the solar arch at night, but that requires manual hoisting and some securing against swinging.  So we hoist it with the mizzen balooner halyard, on the port side, using the electric main sheet winch and that is quick, easy and stable against the side rail at night. 

You also mentioned going ashore with a heavy dinghy.  We have used two approaches when we have had to beach the dinghy.
1) a few times we have been close to shore and we have not put the motor on and rowed to shore.  The dinghy is much easier to beach without the motor.  Or
2) we bring a couple of smaller 6-8 inch diameter fenders that we use as rollers under the keel of the dinghy to pull it up the beach and also launch. It's a little tricky, but is definately easier than dragging.  

Have fun sailing and figuring out what works best for you and your boat.

Best regards, Dan and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387




On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 1:30 AM, Redouan Assar Stella.AmelSM359@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

Thank you all for your answers, please note that I have no intention to sail far with dinghy on davits; at most some day relocation between moorings.  


I was looking for a recommendation comparing forward or aft storage.  I see many SM with dinghy forward like SV Delos for example, then on the aft sun deck under the Mizzain boom.  I assume the forward location impacts visibility but I just thought I would seek advice based on experience.

Note that I inherited a heavy dinghy with an aluminium hull and 15hp engine; I feel it is too much honestly as I am used to small light dinghy to go to shore, but now that I have it I would like to find a safe location for it without impacting too much both visibility and safety while keeping handling as simple as possible.  

For the moment my preferred option being upside down on the after sundeck and to use the mizzen boom for handling. and the engine mounted inside the stern locker.

Thank you again.

Stella SM359

On 7 Feb 2018, at 05:59, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


There were no original davits for the SM. It is probable a previous owner installed them.

However, please don't think about using any sort of davits for any offshore passage on a SM. Use the aft deck.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Feb 6, 2018 19:13, "Stella.AmelSM359@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello again,


I am looking at recommendations regarding storing the dinghy on deck for longer passages.  I have seen various options and photos with the dinghy forward or aft on the sundeck but would like to get recommendation from your experiences while crossing.  


Stella has original davits but they look flimsy and I am not comfortable for them to be used offshore, (I plan to use them to take the dinghy out while at anchorage at night. or short good weather sailing)


Stella SM359






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

Alan Leslie
 

Hello Patrick,
I wouldn't recommend hanging a D400 in the rigging, it"s just too heavy.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] dinghy on deck during passages

Red1 Stella SM359
 

Thank you all for your answers, please note that I have no intention to sail far with dinghy on davits; at most some day relocation between moorings.  

I was looking for a recommendation comparing forward or aft storage.  I see many SM with dinghy forward like SV Delos for example, then on the aft sun deck under the Mizzain boom.  I assume the forward location impacts visibility but I just thought I would seek advice based on experience.

Note that I inherited a heavy dinghy with an aluminium hull and 15hp engine; I feel it is too much honestly as I am used to small light dinghy to go to shore, but now that I have it I would like to find a safe location for it without impacting too much both visibility and safety while keeping handling as simple as possible.  

For the moment my preferred option being upside down on the after sundeck and to use the mizzen boom for handling. and the engine mounted inside the stern locker.

Thank you again.

Stella SM359

On 7 Feb 2018, at 05:59, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


There were no original davits for the SM. It is probable a previous owner installed them.

However, please don't think about using any sort of davits for any offshore passage on a SM. Use the aft deck.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Feb 6, 2018 19:13, "Stella.AmelSM359@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello again,


I am looking at recommendations regarding storing the dinghy on deck for longer passages.  I have seen various options and photos with the dinghy forward or aft on the sundeck but would like to get recommendation from your experiences while crossing.  


Stella has original davits but they look flimsy and I am not comfortable for them to be used offshore, (I plan to use them to take the dinghy out while at anchorage at night. or short good weather sailing)


Stella SM359






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] dinghy on deck during passages

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

There were no original davits for the SM. It is probable a previous owner installed them.

However, please don't think about using any sort of davits for any offshore passage on a SM. Use the aft deck.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Feb 6, 2018 19:13, "Stella.AmelSM359@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello again,


I am looking at recommendations regarding storing the dinghy on deck for longer passages.  I have seen various options and photos with the dinghy forward or aft on the sundeck but would like to get recommendation from your experiences while crossing.  


Stella has original davits but they look flimsy and I am not comfortable for them to be used offshore, (I plan to use them to take the dinghy out while at anchorage at night. or short good weather sailing)


Stella SM359



Re: dinghy on deck during passages

Alan Leslie
 

We never put the dinghy on the davits when voyaging offshore...one decent wave would rip it all off the back the boat.
We ALWAYS strap down our dink inverted on the aft cabin roof when heading offshore. Not only is it safe and secure, it also functions as a spray shield for the cockpit
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437.


Re: dinghy on deck during passages

greatketch@...
 

Dinghy storage options are always a source of "discussion" with sailors.  My personal feeling is that davits are not a reliable storage method underway--even for short day sails.  There is just too much to go wrong, and the weight is put in the worst possible place. Lots of people do it all the time (mostly) without serious problems. On the other hand, we saw a boat come into Newport RI inbound from Block Island that had been carrying a dinghy on davits when they were pooped.  Everything on the back of the boat was totally pretzeled. A real mess. Must have been terrifying at the time.

When we added an arch for our solar panels, we skipped adding the optional davits--and have never regretted it. When at anchor we found that lifting the dinghy to the rail with a halyard was just as fast, as easy, and as secure as any davits I ever used.

We have a 10.5 foot folding RIB that we can deflate, fold, and zip into its storage bag in no more than 10 minutes. The bag is tied down on the aft cabin deck where it is totally out of the way both physically and visually.  The folded size is less than 4' x 4' x 2'. For serious passages, we take the time to drop it in the lazarette, and we then have totally clear decks.

It took a lot of searching, but we finally found an electric inflator pump that is easy to use, well built, and puts air into the dinghy in a jiffy. Most of the ones we looked at were built to a very low price point and seemed fragile and fussy.

Our solution is not to everyone's taste, but we feel it is the best for us.

On my old boat, a 40 foot ketch, I had a hard dinghy that was tied down forward of the mast with custom padeyes.  It was a workable solution, although it did restrict visibility quite a bit.

Bill Kinney
SM#160,  Harmonie
Great Guana Cay, Bahamas


---In amelyachtowners@..., <Stella.AmelSM359@...> wrote :

Hello again,


I am looking at recommendations regarding storing the dinghy on deck for longer passages.  I have seen various options and photos with the dinghy forward or aft on the sundeck but would like to get recommendation from your experiences while crossing.  


Stella has original davits but they look flimsy and I am not comfortable for them to be used offshore, (I plan to use them to take the dinghy out while at anchorage at night. or short good weather sailing)


Stella SM359



dinghy on deck during passages

Red1 Stella SM359
 

Hello again,


I am looking at recommendations regarding storing the dinghy on deck for longer passages.  I have seen various options and photos with the dinghy forward or aft on the sundeck but would like to get recommendation from your experiences while crossing.  


Stella has original davits but they look flimsy and I am not comfortable for them to be used offshore, (I plan to use them to take the dinghy out while at anchorage at night. or short good weather sailing)


Stella SM359



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow Thruster won't come up

Bob Grey
 

Duane, I have an Amel 55 and had to replace a magnetic limit switch on my  dingy Davits due to workers at a yard respooling my winch in reverse. It didn’t stop before crushing the switch.

The switch was an RS electronics model but no longer available, so I spent some research time evaluating options, Amel in the end found an old one in stock. I originally thought it was a Hall effect sensor but found out it was a glass red switch with changeover contacts, with only the normally closed contacts wired in.

Thus my confidence in making the statement that magnetic based glass reed switches come in 3 versions, normally open closing when a magnet field is applied, change over (NO/COM//NC) and NC opening when a magnetic field is applied as it only wires in the NC/COM contacts of a changeover switch.

Bob Grey 

On Tuesday, February 6, 2018, 03:01, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Bob,


I posted in https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/files/Bow%20Thruster%20Maintenance/ in the FFV.pdf file the manufacturers sheet for the linear actuator switch.  I believe ours is the 4th switch from the right.  I also posted photos of the linear actuator switch and the control board (front and back) in https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/161606487

I don't see that this is a 3 contact switch, it only has two wires coming from it.  Do you have something other than the Super Maramu?  Maybe your setup is different.  You will note on the photo of the switch the little switch symbol shows it as a normally closed switch, and you will see the same icon in the FFV.pdf file from the manufacturers literature, and listed as a normally closed switch.

I opened up the black plastic casing and there is a circuit board inside.  I'm not an electronics guy but there are gizmos on the board that are likely transisitors, resistors, and the reed switch.  I could post photos of that if there is any interest.

The disconcerting thing about this is that a simple reed switch should show continuity either with a magnet (normally open), or without a magnet (normally closed).  This switch does not show continuity with or without a magnet, leading me to believe there must be power present for the switch to operate.  I had an electronics tech in the marina verify my tests and he agreed.  We oriented the magnet in all directions and reversed the leads fo the multimeter to possibly account for polarity.  Taking into account the fact that the symbology on the switch identifies it as a normally closed switch, and it does not show continuity, there must be an electromagnet or some other means to close the switch for the "normal" position so that the magnet on the actuator can open the circuit.

Takeaway:  order it from Maude or the factory.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Support for Liferaft on rails

Red1 Stella SM359
 

Hello,


I would like to add an elegant support for the liferaft on the rails, any body has a recommendation for this?  

The idea is;

- to make it easier to launch in case of emergency.  (I find that going into the locker is rather unpleasant event during an emergency!

- to save the locker for other types of storage


Re: Wind generator

Miles
 

Hi Paul,

 

I am on my second Air X on top of the mizzen.  Like the Super Wind (I think) it is internally regulated to slow down before it reaches a speed at which the blades distort and make noise.  It is fine in any wind and needs no adjustments.  I mounted it on an aluminum post that I had made in Trinidad.  The post is on an aluminum base with four gussets.  The base is the size of the mizzen top so lots of room for bolts.  I mounted it on a piece of hard rubber and used 6 isolated bolts (from old ford front struts)  to attach to the top so no discernable noise or vibration down the mast.  It has withstood everything, including a hurricane with winds around 75 knots.  With it, I run the generator about half as much, and down here in Martinique it supplies more.  I also like to use the mizzen staysail, so I never considered a mount on the mast.

 

Regards,

 

Miles  S/Y Ladybug,  SM 216,  Le Marin, Martinique

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

pjn.mccallin@...
 

Good afternoon, re your windgenerator. I don’t want to fit a generator permanently but having just suffered a bad experience via someone (not) looking after my yacht whilst I was absent for five months , I have been given thought to the need to charge the batteries, hence my thinking I could hang the unit from the rigging whilst I was absent. Then I could store it till needed again.
Of course this still leaves the problem of topping up the battery water.
I want to avoid using shore power which seems un reliable.
Can you give me an idea of price and where it is presently, in your opinion could the generator be adapted to hang from the rigging?

Regards Patrick Caramelle #385.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Alan,

there is no doubt our opinions are coloured by our personal experience. Having taken 4 years to get your D400 working properly.... I would have used it as a sinker long ago. On a pedestal they are in your face too. My opinion is coloured by nine trouble free years with the super wind out of sight and sound on top of the mizzen just pumping in those amps. However, under 10 knots apparent there is little input, but once you have 20 knots apparent it really starts pumping.  Also you have put the big arch on and have the large solar array. I prefer the minimalist approach with just two panels on the port rail. And I like the cover, sunny and still, I have solar, cloudy and windy, I have wind gen. Windy and sunny, wow.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl


On 06 February 2018 at 23:54 "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We have a D400 on a pedestal on the port side...and while it does put in some amps, compared to our 600W solar panels, it's nothing
Personally I wouldn't bother with a wind generator, no matter where it'situated.
We inherited ours and after 4 years we have finally got it working properly, but for all the effort, and expense, it contributes swfa 

Anyone want to buy a 24V D400 generator and a brand new regulator,all working,contact me...!
Cheers
Alan 
Elyse SM437

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Turbo rebuild

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Pat, that is incredibly cheap. Well done.

Danny

On 07 February 2018 at 08:43 "sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

I sent my turbo out to be rebuilt and just got it back , it looks like new , I feel they did a great job and the price was good , so I thought I would put their info out there in the event someone needs to have their turbo rebuilt. XS Boost Turbochargers , Owner Dave - 1 330 830 4075 in Massillon Ohio . Turbo and wastegate rebuild _ $385.00 including shipping.

Pat

SM#123

 


 


Turbo rebuild

Patrick McAneny
 

I sent my turbo out to be rebuilt and just got it back , it looks like new , I feel they did a great job and the price was good , so I thought I would put their info out there in the event someone needs to have their turbo rebuilt. XS Boost Turbochargers , Owner Dave - 1 330 830 4075 in Massillon Ohio . Turbo and wastegate rebuild _ $385.00 including shipping.

Pat

SM#123


Anni Bea True, SM180 for sale

Will Stout <tango708@...>
 

Hello Group,
Rebecca and I are moving on to the next stage of live.  After living aboard for 24 years the last four on Anni Bea True, we are going to transition and sell Anni Bea True.  She is a super Super Maramu.  She has been well cared for by all her previous owners.  She is in Martinique bu we will be taking her N with the Salty Dawg Rally.  ABT was repowered with a Yanmar 4JH4-HTE 110 hp turbo diesel and presently has 1,076 engine hours.  The rigging was replaced in 2015 by Nance Underwood in Fort Lauderdale, Fla.   the Onan 6.5 kw has 3,000 hrs.  If interested call me at 206-841-9556 or email at wtstout at mac dot com.

Warm Regards,

Will Stout
SM 180
Martinique


raise water line

Maria Geiger
 

Hello,

We would like to raise the waterline of PITU.

Once I saw on this forum a picture or drawing about this subjet and the colors...

Can someone advice me about this? 


Thank you in advance


Maria Geiger

SY PITU


Re: Maramu: Location for watermaker

Alejandro Paquin
 

Good morning Miles, I have a neighbour with a 1981 Maramu with a watermaker installed in the forward cabin closet, this is closest point to salt water connections, drains, electrical power and water tank. I don´t have one, yet!!

Alex
Maramu 1981
Naiguatá, Venezuela 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Ann-Sofie. I am repeating myself here. The super wind has no noise and no vibration, and in nine years I have not once had any adjustments to make or service needed. Probably why they are twice the price of alternatives.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 06 February 2018 at 22:04 "Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

We hade similar plans, to install the wind gen on top of the mizzen. But now we are glad we glad didn't. The blades needs to be adjusted very often, and it is not that fun to climb the mast. Also, the resonance through the mast can be very enoying, unless you find a solution for it.

/Ann-Sofie, S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998

Skickat från min iPad

5 feb. 2018 kl. 16:31 skrev osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

 

We plan to install a wind generator probably a Rutland 1200 on top of the mizzen mast.

 

We are currently not at the boat (Georgetown Maryland) and wonder if someone know how the top of the mizzenmast look like? Measures? Is it easy access to put nuts and bolts through the top to bolt the wind generator? Any advise from someone who have made that before would be appreciated. There is a mounting kit in aluminium available for 499 $ looks expensive to me, thinking of having one made in 316 SS would probably be less cost. Weight a loft is of course an issue.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Lagos Portugal


 

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind generator

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

We hade similar plans, to install the wind gen on top of the mizzen. But now we are glad we glad didn't. The blades needs to be adjusted very often, and it is not that fun to climb the mast. Also, the resonance through the mast can be very enoying, unless you find a solution for it.

/Ann-Sofie, S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998

Skickat från min iPad

5 feb. 2018 kl. 16:31 skrev osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

We plan to install a wind generator probably a Rutland 1200 on top of the mizzen mast.

We are currently not at the boat (Georgetown Maryland) and wonder if someone know how the top of the mizzenmast look like? Measures? Is it easy access to put nuts and bolts through the top to bolt the wind generator? Any advise from someone who have made that before would be appreciated. There is a mounting kit in aluminium available for 499 $ looks expensive to me, thinking of having one made in 316 SS would probably be less cost. Weight a loft is of course an issue.


Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Lagos Portugal