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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Abuse

eric freedman
 

Was it just oil, or oil and water mixed?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of pstas2003
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 8:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Abuse

 

 

Good day to all,

Yesterday we had to dock the boat in very windy conditions and the bow thruster got way more use than I have ever subjected it to before.  When I went below, I smelled a slight burning smell and immediately went forward.  The thruster was hot, very hot, but fortunately not burning.

After it cooled, I smelled gear oil and when I removed the face panel and took a thorough look, there was a small amount of gear lube dripping down the shaft and a small puddle of lube in the bow thruster locker floor - approximately 50 mls.

I have always tried to make sure I didn’t keep the thruster on for more than 10 or 15 seconds, but I guess yesterday I didn’t pause long enough between use.  The thruster appears to be working just fine, but the oil confuses me.  Did we overfill the unit when we serviced it last October, or did the unit get so hot that some boiled out?  

Has anyone had a similar experience?

Should I be concerned about the abuse I subjected the thruster to yesterday, or like most things on these boats was the unit over engineered to handle such abuse?

Should I just add another 50 mls of lube and monitor it, or should I drop the unit for further inspection?

My appreciation to all who take the time to respond with their thoughts and wisdom.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Cruising Martinique

www.RitaKathryn.com

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Track Plugs

eric freedman
 

Hi Alexandre,

The one that AMEL sent me are too big for my track.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 8:29 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Track Plugs

 

 

Good morning Eric,

They cost 0.10 Euro from Amel
http://www.nikimat.com/factures/2015_10_amel_facture.pdf

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Mon, 2/12/18, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Track Plugs
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, February 12, 2018, 6:46 AM


 









Vladimir,Do you have the part
number?Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super
Maramu #376    From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 6:57
AM
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib
Track Plugs    I used back rubber plugs. I
cut them shorter. I installed them 2 years ago. I see no
problem yet. You can buy them from McMaster
very inexpensive.Vladimir
SM
345 "LIFE IS GOOD"  On Feb 10, 2018 16:13,
"greatketch@...
[amelyachtowners]
" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:   
 Last year we replaced all the plugs
that keep water from sitting in the recesses around the
bolts that attach the jib track to the rail.  We ordered
them from Amel, and I was disappointed to find that they
were natural white polyethylene—not something I expected
to have a reasonable lifespan in sunlight.  Sure enough, a
year later they are all crumbling
away.
 Has
anybody found a better alternative?  Maybe black plastic?
 or anything else better able to handle sunlight? I
haven’t been able to track anything
down..
 In
the absence of a better alternative, I am thinking of
plugging the holes with silicone sealant.  Yes, it would be
something of a pain (but not impossible) to extract if I
ever needed to, but I really don’t want these bolts
soaking in salt water constantly.
 Bill KinneySM160, HarmonieFreeport,
Bahamas.
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Track Plugs

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Eric,

They cost 0.10 Euro from Amel
http://www.nikimat.com/factures/2015_10_amel_facture.pdf

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Mon, 2/12/18, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Track Plugs
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, February 12, 2018, 6:46 AM


 









Vladimir,Do you have the part
number?Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super
Maramu #376    From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 6:57
AM
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib
Track Plugs    I used back rubber plugs. I
cut them shorter. I installed them 2 years ago. I see no
problem yet. You can buy them from McMaster
very inexpensive.Vladimir
SM
345 "LIFE IS GOOD"  On Feb 10, 2018 16:13,
"greatketch@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:   
 Last year we replaced all the plugs
that keep water from sitting in the recesses around the
bolts that attach the jib track to the rail.  We ordered
them from Amel, and I was disappointed to find that they
were natural white polyethylene—not something I expected
to have a reasonable lifespan in sunlight.  Sure enough, a
year later they are all crumbling
away.
 Has
anybody found a better alternative?  Maybe black plastic?
 or anything else better able to handle sunlight? I
haven’t been able to track anything
down..
 In
the absence of a better alternative, I am thinking of
plugging the holes with silicone sealant.  Yes, it would be
something of a pain (but not impossible) to extract if I
ever needed to, but I really don’t want these bolts
soaking in salt water constantly.
 Bill KinneySM160, HarmonieFreeport,
Bahamas.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Track Plugs

eric freedman
 

Vladimir,

Do you have the part number?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 6:57 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Track Plugs

 

 

I used back rubber plugs. I cut them shorter. I installed them 2 years ago. I see no problem yet. 

You can buy them from McMaster very inexpensive.

Vladimir
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"

 

On Feb 10, 2018 16:13, "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Last year we replaced all the plugs that keep water from sitting in the recesses around the bolts that attach the jib track to the rail.  We ordered them from Amel, and I was disappointed to find that they were natural white polyethylene—not something I expected to have a reasonable lifespan in sunlight.  Sure enough, a year later they are all crumbling away.

 

Has anybody found a better alternative?  Maybe black plastic?  or anything else better able to handle sunlight? I haven’t been able to track anything down..

 

In the absence of a better alternative, I am thinking of plugging the holes with silicone sealant.  Yes, it would be something of a pain (but not impossible) to extract if I ever needed to, but I really don’t want these bolts soaking in salt water constantly.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Freeport, Bahamas.

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Track Plugs

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

I used back rubber plugs. I cut them shorter. I installed them 2 years ago. I see no problem yet. 
You can buy them from McMaster very inexpensive.

Vladimir
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"

On Feb 10, 2018 16:13, "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 



Last year we replaced all the plugs that keep water from sitting in the recesses around the bolts that attach the jib track to the rail.  We ordered them from Amel, and I was disappointed to find that they were natural white polyethylene—not something I expected to have a reasonable lifespan in sunlight.  Sure enough, a year later they are all crumbling away.

Has anybody found a better alternative?  Maybe black plastic?  or anything else better able to handle sunlight? I haven’t been able to track anything down.

In the absence of a better alternative, I am thinking of plugging the holes with silicone sealant.  Yes, it would be something of a pain (but not impossible) to extract if I ever needed to, but I really don’t want these bolts soaking in salt water constantly.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie

Freeport, Bahamas.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shaft packing

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

Hi there James
hoping not to misunderstand your original query
I came across the drawing for the stuffing box installed on the propeller shaft - see attachment
matches perfectly the original as mounted on Maramu 116

concerning the engine block oïl pressure tap, I fitted the old one but did not check the size;
if stuck, I will take it out & check threads ...

fair Wind
christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - in Le Main Martinique





Le ‎dimanche‎ ‎11‎ ‎février‎ ‎2018‎ ‎22‎:‎59‎:‎36‎ ‎GMT, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :


 

Dave,


  Thanks for the information on the 4.154 sender and especially for confirming the NPT threads.  I will just add a few adaptors to my install kit and should be all set.   I have ordered from Parts4engines.com and have been very happy with what I received and the quick response time.

  I repacked Sueño’s stuffing box last summer and the 5/16” was the correct size.  I think that the packing size is normally determined by the shaft diameter so I assume that yours should take the same size too.  

Best,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Feb 11, 2018, at 1:21 PM, David Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James, 

That sounds familiar so is just what I need. 

I replaced the oil pressure sender a couple of years ago and looked the purchase up in my records, but unfortunately the unit I bought came with several adapters (itself was ⅛”-27 NPT) and I don’t recall which one, if any, was used. Hopefully someone else will have the answer for you. By the way, I came across a web site in the UK, www.parts4engines.com that lists a number of 4.154 parts. Perhaps they will have the answer if no one in the group responds with it. 

Thank for the quick response! 

Dave Wallace 
s/v Air Ops 
Maramu #104 
Sea of Cortex, Mx 


On Feb 10, 2018, at 6:15 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: 

> Dave, 
> 
> My Maramu is #220 and I am using 5/16” Teflon impregnated packing. Would anyone with a Perkins 4.154 be able to tell the thread size for the engine block oil pressure tap? I am wanting to add a mechanical oil pressure gauge. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> James Alton 
> SV Sueño 
> Maramu #220 
> Arbatax, Italy 
> 
>> On Feb 10, 2018, at 3:17 PM, David Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: 
>> 
>> We’re off the boat so hopefully someone in the group can answer a quick question. What size shaft packing do I need: Maramu, original shaft size and packing housing? Thanks in advance! 
>> 
>> Dave Wallace 
>> s/v Air Ops 
>> Maramu#104 
>> Sea of Cortez, Mx 
>> 
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Support for Liferaft on rails

Red1 Stella SM359
 

Thanks again for the feedback.  

I am still thinking that the 40kg from the bottom of the locker during emergency might be an issue if I need if I need to take it out while injured.  As you say the probable moment when you would want to evacuate the boat would be in case of fire when you have no desire to be fighting with a heavy cargo at the bottom of a locker on the side of the engine room or galley.  I shall be looking for a way to have the life-raft on deck in a holder on the rails probably stern port. (As far as possible from the potential fire locations.)

I will finalise the options as soon as I get to the boat next month.

Thanks for the feedback.

On 11 Feb 2018, at 16:38, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


hi All,

 For what it's worth, two of the most experienced sailors I have ever come across , one owning a Swan 57 with over 100,000 miles experience, the other having competed in the same boat in about 15 Sydney to Hobarts ,  plus sailed a couple of circumnavigations and the North West passage, both stowed their liferafts very securely on deck.

Both lost their liferafts in heavy weather.

The power of the sea sweeping a deck can be overwhelming.

 We keep ours in the locker..

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Preveza, Greece

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 10 February 2018 16:31:49
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Support for Liferaft on rails
 


As far as I know, every liferaft manufacturer makes a rail mount holder to fit the life rafts that they have packaged for exterior exposure.  Have you contacted them? Design of these isn’t always simple, especially if you use a hydrostatic release.

Our thinking on life rafts has slowly evolved as we have lived with one, and reading about those few cases where people actually needed to deploy one.  

On an Amel, with multiple watertight compartments, it seems the most likely reason for needing to take to the raft is an uncontrolled fire on board. With this in mind,  I do not consider storage below deck a good idea.

I have no issue with storage in the bottom of the Amel deep Port side deck locker.  Anything stored on top would just be thrown overboard in an emergency.  Yes, our four-man raft is heavy (80lbs/40kg) but not so heavy any single crew member could not lift it if they HAD to.  A 6 or 8 man raft changes that calculation a lot.  A 8 man raft is really heavy and awkward.  If I felt the need for 8 man raft capacity I would seriously consider using two four man rafts!

We have ended up with our valise packed raft in the cockpit locker as part of our ongoing effort to move weight as far starboard as possible.  I am liking it there for another reason, it gets looked at a lot!  It anything was going wrong, we would see it.




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Support for Liferaft on rails

Red1 Stella SM359
 

Thanks again for the feedback.  

I am still thinking that the 40kg from the bottom of the locker during emergency might be an issue if I need if I need to take it out while injured.  You would probably only want to evacuate the boat in case of fire when you have no desire to be fighting with a heavy cargo at the bottom of a locker on the side of the engine room or near the galley.  I shall be looking for a way to have the life-raft on deck in a holder on the rails probably stern port. (As far as possible from the potential fire locations.)

Redouan Stella SM359

On 11 Feb 2018, at 16:38, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


hi All,

 For what it's worth, two of the most experienced sailors I have ever come across , one owning a Swan 57 with over 100,000 miles experience, the other having competed in the same boat in about 15 Sydney to Hobarts ,  plus sailed a couple of circumnavigations and the North West passage, both stowed their liferafts very securely on deck.

Both lost their liferafts in heavy weather.

The power of the sea sweeping a deck can be overwhelming.

 We keep ours in the locker..

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Preveza, Greece

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 10 February 2018 16:31:49
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Support for Liferaft on rails
 


As far as I know, every liferaft manufacturer makes a rail mount holder to fit the life rafts that they have packaged for exterior exposure.  Have you contacted them? Design of these isn’t always simple, especially if you use a hydrostatic release.

Our thinking on life rafts has slowly evolved as we have lived with one, and reading about those few cases where people actually needed to deploy one.  

On an Amel, with multiple watertight compartments, it seems the most likely reason for needing to take to the raft is an uncontrolled fire on board. With this in mind,  I do not consider storage below deck a good idea.

I have no issue with storage in the bottom of the Amel deep Port side deck locker.  Anything stored on top would just be thrown overboard in an emergency.  Yes, our four-man raft is heavy (80lbs/40kg) but not so heavy any single crew member could not lift it if they HAD to.  A 6 or 8 man raft changes that calculation a lot.  A 8 man raft is really heavy and awkward.  If I felt the need for 8 man raft capacity I would seriously consider using two four man rafts!

We have ended up with our valise packed raft in the cockpit locker as part of our ongoing effort to move weight as far starboard as possible.  I am liking it there for another reason, it gets looked at a lot!  It anything was going wrong, we would see it.




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shaft packing

James Alton
 

Dave,

  Thanks for the information on the 4.154 sender and especially for confirming the NPT threads.  I will just add a few adaptors to my install kit and should be all set.   I have ordered from Parts4engines.com and have been very happy with what I received and the quick response time.

  I repacked Sueño’s stuffing box last summer and the 5/16” was the correct size.  I think that the packing size is normally determined by the shaft diameter so I assume that yours should take the same size too.  

Best,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Feb 11, 2018, at 1:21 PM, David Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James, 

That sounds familiar so is just what I need. 

I replaced the oil pressure sender a couple of years ago and looked the purchase up in my records, but unfortunately the unit I bought came with several adapters (itself was ⅛”-27 NPT) and I don’t recall which one, if any, was used. Hopefully someone else will have the answer for you. By the way, I came across a web site in the UK, www.parts4engines.com that lists a number of 4.154 parts. Perhaps they will have the answer if no one in the group responds with it. 

Thank for the quick response! 

Dave Wallace 
s/v Air Ops 
Maramu #104 
Sea of Cortex, Mx 


On Feb 10, 2018, at 6:15 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: 

> Dave, 
> 
> My Maramu is #220 and I am using 5/16” Teflon impregnated packing. Would anyone with a Perkins 4.154 be able to tell the thread size for the engine block oil pressure tap? I am wanting to add a mechanical oil pressure gauge. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> James Alton 
> SV Sueño 
> Maramu #220 
> Arbatax, Italy 
> 
>> On Feb 10, 2018, at 3:17 PM, David Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: 
>> 
>> We’re off the boat so hopefully someone in the group can answer a quick question. What size shaft packing do I need: Maramu, original shaft size and packing housing? Thanks in advance! 
>> 
>> Dave Wallace 
>> s/v Air Ops 
>> Maramu#104 
>> Sea of Cortez, Mx 
>> 
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> Yahoo Groups Links 
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bamar Upgrade Program

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Mark,

I think that this is a good deal and I would urge any 54 owner who has not upgraded his Bamar furlers from the original belt-driven model to the new gear-driven model to take advantage of this offer.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 3:22 PM, brass.ring@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I talked with Paul at Bamar USA Friday.  Paul forwarded the letter below, I told him I would send it out to all interested parties on the A O G.  With the interest generated from the Amel Owners Group plus a few other contacts he has made he believes he can very shortly place an order with Bamar for at least five units which will then put us in an advantageous pricing position.  Paul did say that he represents Bamar in North America and the northern Caribbean, please check with Paul if you are outside of his territorial sales area to determine how this program can be beneficial for you.  In areas where Bamar does not have representation he can extend this program directly to you.


Together our buying power will allow us receive significant discounts on these items.  Possibly not as good as the original program but still significant savings.  Please contact Paul or one of the Bamar dealers if you are ready to pursue this.  I have committed to Paul to purchase and I will be contacting a dealer Monday.

If I forgotten to anyone that you know has expressed interest please forward this to them.



Best regards,


Mark & Debbie Mueller
s/v Brass Ring   A54
currently Fort Lauderdale

Letter from Paul below:


If we can get organized where we can place orders for at least 5 EJF1 furling motorizations, then we can get the prices down very low.

BAMAR USA PROMOTIONAL OFFER TO AMEL 54 OWNERS – UPGRADE YOUR FORESAIL FURLERS TO EJF1’S

You will be purchasing from one of our major Bamar Dealers such as Nance & Underwood Rigging and Sails  in Ft . Lauderdale or Mack Sails, in Stuart FL, or Island Rigging & Hydraulics in St Thomas USVI are some examples.

These dealers are very experienced with the EJF 1 installations and they have riggers that will travel anywhere, and they can ship anywhere.

The special pricing that is available will look something like:

EJF1 24V Motorization retail $12,500.00  your price approx.  $7000.00

Various rigging fittings, tack socket, toggles, clevis pin, boxtron control box if needed retail $2800.00  your price approx.  $1715.00

Complete package, per motorization, your cost $8715.00, shipping not included. Installation not included.

The rigging details we would need from the Amel boats:

The type and size of furling foil (pictures), the forestay wire diameter, bottom clevis pin diameter, toggle orientation on deck (picture please), and the type of Boxtron control box existing onboard (picture)

Please let me know how I can help you organize your order and connect you with a Bamar dealer.

Thank you, and

Best regards,

Paul Hrabowsky


President
Bamar USA
604-728-7445
www.bamarusa.com





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Support for Liferaft on rails

greatketch@...
 

We have always approached deck storage with the guideline that we never wanted to pull into a harbor and have the locals immediately think: “nice cruising boat.” We’d prefer they think “nice boat.”

While that is an aesthetic question, keeping the deck clear has many practical benefits. When we are on passage, only two things are on deck that we’re not there when Harmonie first left La Rochelle: Jerry jugs with gasoline for the dinghy are lashed to the starboard rail because there is no safe place below deck for flammable liquid storage, and the solar panel arch. Everything else is stowed out of weather. Being able to do this is truly one of the awesome things about owning an Amel.

We pretty much adhere to the rule, "If you wear it, or eat it, it is stored inside the cabin. Everything else is in one of the external lockers." While there are a few exceptions, they are few.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Freeport, Bahamas

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Support for Liferaft on rails

eric freedman
 

My raft is in the port cockpit locker, right next to the Jordan drogue.

Both inboard. My raft is a 6 person SLOP Winslow and very light weight.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 4:32 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Support for Liferaft on rails

 

 

Hi Eric,

I know you've been there. Until you've been in one you just can't imagine the size the waves get to. We are fortunate to have avoided any storms in Ocean Pearl but I got caught in a full on weather bomb Pacific storm in my previous yacht. Not something you want to repeat. Henri put a heap of storage on the Amel for just this reason. We clutter our decks and rails at our own risk.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 12 February 2018 at 10:11 "'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

That makes 3 of us.

I cannot imagine a rail mounted raft surviving a 40 or 50 foot wave crashing over our stern.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:38 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Support for Liferaft on rails

 

 

Hi Ian and Judy.

you and me too. 

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 12 February 2018 at 02:38 "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

hi All,

 

 For what it's worth, two of the most experienced sailors I have ever come across , one owning a Swan 57 with over 100,000 miles experience, the other having competed in the same boat in about 15 Sydney to Hobarts ,  plus sailed a couple of circumnavigations and the North West passage, both stowed their liferafts very securely on deck.

 

Both lost their liferafts in heavy weather.

 

The power of the sea sweeping a deck can be overwhelming.

 

 We keep ours in the locker..

 

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Preveza, Greece


From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 10 February 2018 16:31:49
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Support for Liferaft on rails

 



As far as I know, every liferaft manufacturer makes a rail mount holder to fit the life rafts that they have packaged for exterior exposure.  Have you contacted them? Design of these isn’t always simple, especially if you use a hydrostatic release.

 

Our thinking on life rafts has slowly evolved as we have lived with one, and reading about those few cases where people actually needed to deploy one.  

 

On an Amel, with multiple watertight compartments, it seems the most likely reason for needing to take to the raft is an uncontrolled fire on board. With this in mind,  I do not consider storage below deck a good idea.

 

I have no issue with storage in the bottom of the Amel deep Port side deck locker.  Anything stored on top would just be thrown overboard in an emergency.  Yes, our four-man raft is heavy (80lbs/40kg) but not so heavy any single crew member could not lift it if they HAD to.  A 6 or 8 man raft changes that calculation a lot.  A 8 man raft is really heavy and awkward.  If I felt the need for 8 man raft capacity I would seriously consider using two four man rafts!

 

We have ended up with our valise packed raft in the cockpit locker as part of our ongoing effort to move weight as far starboard as possible.  I am liking it there for another reason, it gets looked at a lot!  It anything was going wrong, we would see it.

 

 

 


 

 

 


 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Support for Liferaft on rails

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Eric,

I know you've been there. Until you've been in one you just can't imagine the size the waves get to. We are fortunate to have avoided any storms in Ocean Pearl but I got caught in a full on weather bomb Pacific storm in my previous yacht. Not something you want to repeat. Henri put a heap of storage on the Amel for just this reason. We clutter our decks and rails at our own risk.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 12 February 2018 at 10:11 "'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

That makes 3 of us.

I cannot imagine a rail mounted raft surviving a 40 or 50 foot wave crashing over our stern.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:38 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Support for Liferaft on rails

 

 

Hi Ian and Judy.

you and me too. 

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 12 February 2018 at 02:38 "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

hi All,

 

 For what it's worth, two of the most experienced sailors I have ever come across , one owning a Swan 57 with over 100,000 miles experience, the other having competed in the same boat in about 15 Sydney to Hobarts ,  plus sailed a couple of circumnavigations and the North West passage, both stowed their liferafts very securely on deck.

 

Both lost their liferafts in heavy weather.

 

The power of the sea sweeping a deck can be overwhelming.

 

 We keep ours in the locker..

 

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Preveza, Greece


From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 10 February 2018 16:31:49
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Support for Liferaft on rails

 



As far as I know, every liferaft manufacturer makes a rail mount holder to fit the life rafts that they have packaged for exterior exposure.  Have you contacted them? Design of these isn’t always simple, especially if you use a hydrostatic release.

 

Our thinking on life rafts has slowly evolved as we have lived with one, and reading about those few cases where people actually needed to deploy one.  

 

On an Amel, with multiple watertight compartments, it seems the most likely reason for needing to take to the raft is an uncontrolled fire on board. With this in mind,  I do not consider storage below deck a good idea.

 

I have no issue with storage in the bottom of the Amel deep Port side deck locker.  Anything stored on top would just be thrown overboard in an emergency.  Yes, our four-man raft is heavy (80lbs/40kg) but not so heavy any single crew member could not lift it if they HAD to.  A 6 or 8 man raft changes that calculation a lot.  A 8 man raft is really heavy and awkward.  If I felt the need for 8 man raft capacity I would seriously consider using two four man rafts!

 

We have ended up with our valise packed raft in the cockpit locker as part of our ongoing effort to move weight as far starboard as possible.  I am liking it there for another reason, it gets looked at a lot!  It anything was going wrong, we would see it.

 

 

 


 

 

 


 

Bamar Upgrade Program

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

I talked with Paul at Bamar USA Friday.  Paul forwarded the letter below, I told him I would send it out to all interested parties on the A O G.  With the interest generated from the Amel Owners Group plus a few other contacts he has made he believes he can very shortly place an order with Bamar for at least five units which will then put us in an advantageous pricing position.  Paul did say that he represents Bamar in North America and the northern Caribbean, please check with Paul if you are outside of his territorial sales area to determine how this program can be beneficial for you.  In areas where Bamar does not have representation he can extend this program directly to you.


Together our buying power will allow us receive significant discounts on these items.  Possibly not as good as the original program but still significant savings.  Please contact Paul or one of the Bamar dealers if you are ready to pursue this.  I have committed to Paul to purchase and I will be contacting a dealer Monday.

If I forgotten to anyone that you know has expressed interest please forward this to them.



Best regards,


Mark & Debbie Mueller
s/v Brass Ring   A54
currently Fort Lauderdale

Letter from Paul below:


If we can get organized where we can place orders for at least 5 EJF1 furling motorizations, then we can get the prices down very low.

BAMAR USA PROMOTIONAL OFFER TO AMEL 54 OWNERS – UPGRADE YOUR FORESAIL FURLERS TO EJF1’S

You will be purchasing from one of our major Bamar Dealers such as Nance & Underwood Rigging and Sails  in Ft . Lauderdale or Mack Sails, in Stuart FL, or Island Rigging & Hydraulics in St Thomas USVI are some examples.

These dealers are very experienced with the EJF 1 installations and they have riggers that will travel anywhere, and they can ship anywhere.

The special pricing that is available will look something like:

EJF1 24V Motorization retail $12,500.00  your price approx.  $7000.00

Various rigging fittings, tack socket, toggles, clevis pin, boxtron control box if needed retail $2800.00  your price approx.  $1715.00

Complete package, per motorization, your cost $8715.00, shipping not included. Installation not included.

The rigging details we would need from the Amel boats:

The type and size of furling foil (pictures), the forestay wire diameter, bottom clevis pin diameter, toggle orientation on deck (picture please), and the type of Boxtron control box existing onboard (picture)

Please let me know how I can help you organize your order and connect you with a Bamar dealer.

Thank you, and

Best regards,

Paul Hrabowsky


President
Bamar USA
604-728-7445
www.bamarusa.com


Support for Liferaft on rails

eric freedman
 

That makes 3 of us.

I cannot imagine a rail mounted raft surviving a 40 or 50 foot wave crashing over our stern.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:38 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Support for Liferaft on rails

 

 

Hi Ian and Judy.

you and me too. 

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 12 February 2018 at 02:38 "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

hi All,

 

 For what it's worth, two of the most experienced sailors I have ever come across , one owning a Swan 57 with over 100,000 miles experience, the other having competed in the same boat in about 15 Sydney to Hobarts ,  plus sailed a couple of circumnavigations and the North West passage, both stowed their liferafts very securely on deck.

 

Both lost their liferafts in heavy weather.

 

The power of the sea sweeping a deck can be overwhelming.

 

 We keep ours in the locker..

 

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Preveza, Greece


From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 10 February 2018 16:31:49
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Support for Liferaft on rails

 



As far as I know, every liferaft manufacturer makes a rail mount holder to fit the life rafts that they have packaged for exterior exposure.  Have you contacted them? Design of these isn’t always simple, especially if you use a hydrostatic release.

 

Our thinking on life rafts has slowly evolved as we have lived with one, and reading about those few cases where people actually needed to deploy one.  

 

On an Amel, with multiple watertight compartments, it seems the most likely reason for needing to take to the raft is an uncontrolled fire on board. With this in mind,  I do not consider storage below deck a good idea.

 

I have no issue with storage in the bottom of the Amel deep Port side deck locker.  Anything stored on top would just be thrown overboard in an emergency.  Yes, our four-man raft is heavy (80lbs/40kg) but not so heavy any single crew member could not lift it if they HAD to.  A 6 or 8 man raft changes that calculation a lot.  A 8 man raft is really heavy and awkward.  If I felt the need for 8 man raft capacity I would seriously consider using two four man rafts!

 

We have ended up with our valise packed raft in the cockpit locker as part of our ongoing effort to move weight as far starboard as possible.  I am liking it there for another reason, it gets looked at a lot!  It anything was going wrong, we would see it.

 

 

 


 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Support for Liferaft on rails

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Ian and Judy.

you and me too. 

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 12 February 2018 at 02:38 "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

hi All,


 For what it's worth, two of the most experienced sailors I have ever come across , one owning a Swan 57 with over 100,000 miles experience, the other having competed in the same boat in about 15 Sydney to Hobarts ,  plus sailed a couple of circumnavigations and the North West passage, both stowed their liferafts very securely on deck.


Both lost their liferafts in heavy weather.


The power of the sea sweeping a deck can be overwhelming.


 We keep ours in the locker..


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Preveza, Greece


From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 10 February 2018 16:31:49
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Support for Liferaft on rails
 


As far as I know, every liferaft manufacturer makes a rail mount holder to fit the life rafts that they have packaged for exterior exposure.  Have you contacted them? Design of these isn’t always simple, especially if you use a hydrostatic release.

Our thinking on life rafts has slowly evolved as we have lived with one, and reading about those few cases where people actually needed to deploy one.  

On an Amel, with multiple watertight compartments, it seems the most likely reason for needing to take to the raft is an uncontrolled fire on board. With this in mind,  I do not consider storage below deck a good idea.

I have no issue with storage in the bottom of the Amel deep Port side deck locker.  Anything stored on top would just be thrown overboard in an emergency.  Yes, our four-man raft is heavy (80lbs/40kg) but not so heavy any single crew member could not lift it if they HAD to.  A 6 or 8 man raft changes that calculation a lot.  A 8 man raft is really heavy and awkward.  If I felt the need for 8 man raft capacity I would seriously consider using two four man rafts!

We have ended up with our valise packed raft in the cockpit locker as part of our ongoing effort to move weight as far starboard as possible.  I am liking it there for another reason, it gets looked at a lot!  It anything was going wrong, we would see it.


 

 


 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shaft packing

David Wallace
 

James,

That sounds familiar so is just what I need.

I replaced the oil pressure sender a couple of years ago and looked the purchase up in my records, but unfortunately the unit I bought came with several adapters (itself was ⅛”-27 NPT) and I don’t recall which one, if any, was used. Hopefully someone else will have the answer for you. By the way, I came across a web site in the UK, www.parts4engines.com that lists a number of 4.154 parts. Perhaps they will have the answer if no one in the group responds with it.

Thank for the quick response!

Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortex, Mx

On Feb 10, 2018, at 6:15 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Dave,

My Maramu is #220 and I am using 5/16” Teflon impregnated packing. Would anyone with a Perkins 4.154 be able to tell the thread size for the engine block oil pressure tap? I am wanting to add a mechanical oil pressure gauge.

Thanks,

James Alton
SV Sueño
Maramu #220
Arbatax, Italy

On Feb 10, 2018, at 3:17 PM, David Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

We’re off the boat so hopefully someone in the group can answer a quick question. What size shaft packing do I need: Maramu, original shaft size and packing housing? Thanks in advance!

Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu#104
Sea of Cortez, Mx

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shaft packing

David Wallace
 

James,

That sounds familiar so is just what I need.

I replaced the oil pressure sender a couple of years ago and looked the purchase up in my records, but unfortunately the unit I bought came with several adapters (itself was ⅛”-27 NPT) and I don’t recall which one, if any, was used. Hopefully someone else will have the answer for you. By the way, I came across a web site in the UK, www.parts4engines.com that lists a number of 4.154 parts. Perhaps they will have the answer if no one in the group responds with it.

Thank for the quick response!

Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortex, Mx

On Feb 10, 2018, at 6:15 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Dave,

My Maramu is #220 and I am using 5/16” Teflon impregnated packing. Would anyone with a Perkins 4.154 be able to tell the thread size for the engine block oil pressure tap? I am wanting to add a mechanical oil pressure gauge.

Thanks,

James Alton
SV Sueño
Maramu #220
Arbatax, Italy

On Feb 10, 2018, at 3:17 PM, David Wallace svairops@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

We’re off the boat so hopefully someone in the group can answer a quick question. What size shaft packing do I need: Maramu, original shaft size and packing housing? Thanks in advance!

Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu#104
Sea of Cortez, Mx

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A54 Hull Gelcoat Color

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

Would anyone know the name & manufacturer if possible OR the gelcoat color code number for the 54??  Thanks in advance.


Mark & Debbie

A54 #68, S/V Brass Ring

Ft. Lauderdale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: 54 TV lift

Courtney Gorman
 

Thanks I checked but yes it was on




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Date: 2/11/18 11:30 AM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: 54 TV lift

 

Inverter under navtable is on?






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